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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: HammerD on June 24, 2003, 09:26:11 PM
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I'd like to know if there is any market demand out there for an OS Enhancement Pack that would include some of the new features of OS 4.
I understand that some of the modules have 68K versions, and large features like eg. RoadShow work on 68K.
Question: Is there market demand for this? If so, how many of you would purchase it, assuming it would work on some set minimum configuration of Classic Hardware and Emulators (eg. Amithlon, WinUAE, and Amiga Forever) ?
I'd like to forward the results to Amiga Inc. and Hyperion.
Thanks
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I think the market is still very much focused on 68k, though there is large interest in PPC, most people own 68k or a PC machine with some kind of 68k emulation.
However, let me say this, I would only be interested in purchasing OS 4 for 68k, if it was included as part of the Amiga Forever install.
I'm sure some would like stand alone...but they can answer for themselves...I think its very much ashame that AF is stuck at 3.1
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I would just to support the effort and for a preview of things to come. I have an A3000D.
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Its time to move on guys and gals...
68k no more... the modules you are talking of wont be released for 68k , or would they? , if they did then the whole concept of moving the plattform to ppc would be insane.
all or nothing.
move ON! , and btw marktime just because you own a pc doesnt mean the rest of us do , i own only amiga's and an amigaone. no x86 no mac's ..no linux stuff... (the a1 is sort of an linux /mac without the os , but that wont be for loong)
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Yeah, amny of the modules are written in C and thusly work on 68K computers, the only problem is that 68K computers are ancient, hardware-wise it simply doesn't deserve a new OS update.
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Aside from the technicalities, Hyperion don't have a lisence for creating a 68K port....
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Market demand? AFAIK OS3.9 was not that great success. And since many PPC users can run PPC OS (MOS/OS4) in the future there is only little interest for 68k.
Really drop that ancient 68k crap. 68k is *dead*. Dead dead dead.
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I asked Ben Hermans about this a few months ago and the result was basically what some other posters suggested: porting at least some OS4 code to 68K would be rather easy, but Hyperion doesn't have a license for this, and Amiga Inc. is obviously more interested in the PPC.
Personally, I would support an Enhancement Pack, but with one reservation: it *must* be bug-free. OS 3.9's BB2 was unsatisfying because H&P basically ran out of money for the project and just gave us what they'd accomplished up to that point. I don't want more updates that take "two steps forward and one step back". If they're going to release major, new features, they'll have to follow it up with yet another release to fix the bugs.
Honestly, I'd settle for a BB3 that back-ports the top-50 or so bugs from OS3.9 that were subsequently fixed in OS4, plus some optional extras like the new Reaction classes. Hyperion could set up a temporary BugTracker site where users could voice their gripes and make sure no major issues were forgotten. Then BB3 would be available for download with a credit card for <= $9.95 US.
Does anybody else find that appealing?
Todd
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Yeah... Another update for the old 680x0 series would be worthwhile, I think. Hopefully it's politically possible.
I think there are at least some people who would want it for a Pre-PPC Amiga. Let's face it, the number of people with CyberStorm PPC 4000s isn't exactly a large fraction of total 680x0 Amigas with 3.1 ROMs... Not to mention the emulator crowd. People are saying PPC is the future... But I, for one, don't see that future as compelling enough to drive an expensive (also obsolete) hardware purchase. I'd drop a few bucks for a new software update to obsolete hardware I already own and love, though...
I'd vote for making a BoingBag 3 update available on CD, as well as the download, though. I'd rather fork over a $20 to Software Hut for another nicely printed CD, than pay $10 for a download... What can I say? I like the pretty coasters. (Don't make me burn it on my PC and write out an ugly label, myself...)
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Could be a nice teaser to tempt people to upgrade.
I would require a 68000 version, because my "classic" Amiga 2000HD does not have an accelerator card. It will crash if it encounters code for any of the other 680x0 CPUs.
AmigaOS 3.1 runs just fine on this machine. It would be an interesting experiment to see if a teaser version of AmigaOS 4.0 would run.
I would be willing to fork over $20 Canadian for a CD containing a teaser version of AmigaOS 4.0 that could run on the 68000 CPU.
However, I would be even more interested in AmigaOS 4.0 running on an AmigaOne.
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redfox
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It would sell. I would like to see software protection on it to prevent hackers from stealing.
A nice label goes a long way. $20-$30. Road Show would
sell it since Miami DX is no longer available. I don't think it would hurt AmigaOne sales
much. It would keep users around longer to save up for the newer Amiga's
Hey it means more sales for me
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It would sell. I would like to see software protection on it to prevent hackers from stealing.
A nice label goes a long way. $20-$30. Road Show would
sell it since Miami DX is no longer available. I don't think it would hurt AmigaOne sales
much. It would keep users around longer to save up for the newer Amiga's
Hey it means more sales for me
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I would like to see software protection on it to prevent hackers from stealing.
That I have to disagree with. For those who aren't going to be honest and pay, there isn't a protection in existance that will deter them from obtaining a less-than-legal copy... And for those of us who DO want to pay, being limited by brain-dead copy protections is a real pain in the arse. There have been multiple occasions where I have had to download cracks to things I legally purchased, just to be able to use them!
A nice label goes a long way. $20-$30.
Exactly... Sell a reasonable product at a reasonable price, and it should do well. You have to make people want to be legal, because you really can't force them to be -- and trying to causes problems for everyone -- usually the innocent are punished even more than the guilty!
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itix wrote:
Really drop that ancient 68k crap. 68k is *dead*. Dead dead dead.
There are many (and we speak about the majority of Amiga users) out there with 68K processors. Still many with no intention or opportunity to switch to PPC. (For many Amiga is just a hobby, and can't spend hundreds of euros/dollars/whatever on their beloved Amiga)
What were the actual sales numbers for OS3.5 and OS3.9?
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Warface wrote:
There are many (and we speak about the majority of Amiga users) out there with 68K processors. Still many with no intention or opportunity to switch to PPC. (For many Amiga is just a hobby, and can't spend hundreds of euros/dollars/whatever on their beloved Amiga)
I can't imagine that anyone would spend money on OS3 upgrade especially when that upgrade offer virtually nothing. You are not going to use anti-aliased fonts or gradients on your 020/030/040. FFS2 is quite small improvement and RoadShow... Ok, RoadShow could be nice to have but most Amiga users have working TCP/IP stack already.
Can't imagine that anyone would pay for another Aminet Patch Compilation (if you strip PPC related stuff).
What were the actual sales numbers for OS3.5 and OS3.9?
I don't know about 3.9 but OS3.5 sold 15000 copies. Definitely 3.9 sold even less. Today many top users have Pegasos or AmigaOne, some even have MorphOS beta running on their Amiga (or maybe even OS4).
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Even if it were half the OS 3.5 sales for an OS Enhancement Pack, that would still be MORE than the number of potential PPC purchases Hyperion can expect. They say, what, approximately 10,000 PPC boards were sold by phase5/DCE. Now take into consideration the number of dead/forgotten/abandoned boards, then say 50% of existing owners of the PPC boards will get OS 4, you're still looking at an optimistic number around the order of 5,000 MAX potential OS 4 sales.
Now take the number of straight 68K machines still in use and out there...what type of number is that? Who really knows? But probably higher than the PPC numbers. Take a percentage of that who would get this Enhancement Pack, then add the number of potential other customers (Amiga Forever, Amithlon, WinUAE), and you probably come up wtih a number higher than what Hyperion can safely sell with a PPC-only product.
Now take the AmigaOne people (way less than 1000) and take Pegasos users (less than 600) .... you can see from a market perspective, even if many people don't agree with it, it could be a win-win situation.
Win for Hyperion because basically they already have 68k versions of the modules anyway, and win for the users who have invested alot of time, money and sweat on their 68K machines. Amiga Inc. would be seen as extending goodwill to Amiga Users who have stayed in this market for years...
Plus it also gets MORE people using the new OS - which is a good thing--probably doubling the OS 4 users. Now these 68K users will get hooked on the OS again and upgrade later to PPC.
It also gets MORE cash back into Hyperion right away...who can complain with that? :)
To that guy that said 68K is dead, dead, dead.... well it lives on quite nicely and EXTREMELY fast in Emulation, plus Motorola still sells the chips. AND there is the Amiga Coldfire project (for which the new prototype board was just finished), which is "mostly" compatible wtih 68K....so I disagree.
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I'd buy an enhancement pack for my Amiga if Hyperion would release one.
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Personally I'd prefer Hyperion to spend their time making OS4 the best it can be for PPC, instead of helping drag the rotting corpse of m68k any further.
I would've thought anyone who wanted Amiga to have a future would want the same, but apparently not.
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mikeymike wrote:
Personally I'd prefer Hyperion to spend their time making OS4 the best it can be for PPC, instead of helping drag the rotting corpse of m68k any further.
I would've thought anyone who wanted Amiga to have a future would want the same, but apparently not.
The same applies to dragging the rotting corpse of Amiga any further, yet no one complains :-)
See? There is not much of a difference :-)
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There is a C compiler for Oric Atmos. Will you use it for all day life i.e. for coding ?
No because :
- it's too slow
- you can't do everything with it (like you would with a modern developer environment)
- you are obviously limited by the computer (you can't display full color images)
This is EXACTLY the same with OS4 for the Classic.
Installing OS4 on the damn slow 68k CPUs is simply a waste of time....
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Installing OS4 on the damn slow 68k CPUs is simply a waste of time....
A 060 with a gfx card is everything but not "damn slow"...
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Quick reality check, part 1:
I'll bet everyone that by the end of 2004, there will still be more people using OS3.x (on 68k,
UAE or Amithlon) than OS4.
And yes I mean "using", not just "insert favourite adf-file".
Lots of these people are willing to buy SW, and atleast those who use Amithlon (well
most of them) have prooven that they spend money on SW.
Reality check part 2:
IBrowse2.3 IS 68k and will remain so (till 3.0 is released).
RoadShow is planned to be sold as 68k.
ReAction isn't really widely used, no big loss.
MUI-68k will probraly remain on the same state as the OS4-version.
HDToolBox does the job, no need for that other proggi.
The "optional" MP in OS4 won't be usefull anytime soon.
VM is not needed when you run UAE, and a 1GB Amithlon-sys ought to be enough.
ExecSG and Petunia are completly unusable with those systems.
The rest of the features is either
a) eye-candy,
b) can be replaced from Aminet
c) isn't really that important
d) all of the above.
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So therefore 68k is great and we should all advocate its use over PPC! YAY!
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@ Warface
A 060 with a gfx card is everything but not "damn slow"...
Compared to what? Anything recent?
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Kronos wrote:
The rest of the features is either
a) eye-candy,
b) can be replaced from Aminet
c) isn't really that important
d) all of the above.
Don't forget, many ppl bought OS3.5 and OS3.9 despite the fact that most of it's features were exactly fitting into your criterias.
68K users would like a new OS update for their cards, and are ready to pay for it. (They will feel it more up to date, can tell friends they have a new OS, and it's much cheaper than affording an expensive PPC motherboard.)
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The most important thing is, that they keep the promise of 68k RoadShow. There is quite big demand for decent tcp/ip stack for classic Amiga, because of the situation of the Miami (and Genesis too). There's all the time someone asking for tcp/ip stack... For example MiamiDX is only solution atm when PPPoE is getting more popular, but what can you do when you can't register it anymore :/ You can't assume that everyone is upgrading to PPC-system just like that. There are lots of active Amiga users, who can't do it in near future and then there have been recently quite much "new comers" with lowend a1200 setup and they want to network their Amiga with their main computer. I know that many of those would have been willing to buy good stack for it. And now when there are many pci-solutions and possibility for cheap nics, there are people who haven't had nic and stack before. Isn't it little embarrassing even for the reputation of the Amiga, that it's that difficult to get decent tcp/ip stack for it?-)
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mikeymike wrote:
@ Warface
A 060 with a gfx card is everything but not "damn slow"...
Compared to what? Anything recent?
Compared to the requirements of any Amiga software and the Amiga Operating System as we know (except some games converted from the PC).
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Some additional info:
- Not all OS 4 Features are possible (without
complete reimplementation of these features) on a
Non-PPC based System
- Some components which exist already on PPC
or which are currently in process of moving to PPC
do not get the 68k part updated anymore. Changing
this would raise developement time needed, and
I am sure we agree we do not want this :)
- As I said before I think that supporting a system
where Windows can run on the same hardware
(x86 with Amiga Emulation) is dangerous out of
the viewpoint of the Application/Game Developer
- licencing issues
- 68k is a dead architecture
- The whole point of the 68k modules was not
actually providing them to endusers, but to be
able to Betatest before the system was up and
running on PPC, nothing more (converting the
stuff to C where needed and such things)
Steffen
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I can see the need for a Bug Fix update for AmigaOS 3.9 and possibly an updated TCP/IP stack esp. for LAN/ADSL users. But other than that, I doubt may 68K users would benefit from other features of OS4.
Hyperion have spent a lot of time and effort on OS4, its time Amiga users moved on to new hardware and a new OS4 for the 21st Century. I don`t want 68k stuff to continue to hold us back any longer.
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pjhutch wrote:
[...] its time Amiga users moved on to new hardware and a new OS4 for the 21st Century. I don`t want 68k stuff to continue to hold us back any longer.
And what about the existing number of 68K machines and their users? (which is overwhelming compared to either cyberstorm or amigaone numbers)
The majority won't buy PPC boards costing a fortune, yet they'd like to have updates to their platform. And as I mentioned I'm sure they will pay for it.
Those suggesting to dump the existing 68K machine userbase and suggest for everyone to switch to PPC live in lucky places - not somewhere where a shrinkwrapped OS is affordable but a PPC board is not (at least not for everyone).
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I think Amiga Inc. should release an update or new version for 68k. The minimum processor spec. should be an 040. This would be a great revenue generator, with very minimal effort. Add all the great pd, like the Riva player etc. and clean up the OS slightly and recompile for the 040.
I would buy 2 copies if they did so...
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by Warface on 2003/6/26 13:25:36
And what about the existing number of 68K machines and their users?
I think its fair to say that of the remaining Amiga users something like 90% are 'power users' By that I mean they have upgraded to their Amiga's to the best spec they can afford.
Of those 90% I bet most of them if given the chance and money would prefer to upgrade to a new PPC rather than stay with an older less reliable (as in hack/patch/add-on) Amiga.
Rassilon
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Warface wrote:
Installing OS4 on the damn slow 68k CPUs is simply a waste of time....
A 060 with a gfx card is everything but not "damn slow"...
Err mine was. Tried PageStream 4.1 on an 060? Made me use AmigaForever!
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@Rassilon
Just look around here, and you will find plenty of user asking questions about "real" SW
that still use something like a 030 (yuk).
There are also plenty of user who see 0 sense in spending >1000 Euro (you know board,
RAM,HD,case, taxes ...) for something that WILL be slower than their current Amiga (emu).
And yes Steffen these are a big part of the " market", just not for ports of vintage
PC-games at full price.
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I doubt that even the 600MHz board will be slower than their 'real' Amiga Chronos, I think applications will run at at least more than 10% of the processors speed through emulation, sheesh.
68060 - usually 50MHz
PPC- 600/800MHz (for us)
600/10 = 60MHz
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To be honest: NO!
Mostly because there is not enough market to cause a "demand".
In a couple of years 68k will be totally dead. Sad but true, it's a fact. The remaining 68k HW is falling apart; my miggies are all dead, and many others have suffered the same fate.
If the Coldfire project succeeds it's a different issue assuming that the designers go around the "ancient" HW bit, creating something like a Coldfire based clone.
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@jeffimix
a) it is "Kronos" and the "K" is there for a reason.
b) you got it all wrong....
What I wanted to say was that people running Amithlon or UAE allready have a faster
Amiga (running 68k) than any PPC available for "us" in the forseeable future, even if that
PPC is running native SW.
Those could be a market for an 68k-OS-update.
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Personally I'd prefer Hyperion to spend their time making OS4 the best it can be for PPC, instead of helping drag the rotting corpse of m68k any further.
In a couple of years 68k will be totally dead. Sad but true, it's a fact. The remaining 68k HW is falling apart; my miggies are all dead, and many others have suffered the same fate.
I see quotes like this, and I can't help but think this also applies to the PPC "Amigas" such as AmigaOne and Peggy, as well, though. Let's face it, between the both of them, I doubt they've sold 1,000 units, and the AmigaOne hasn't even got an OS, but the hardware is already seriously outdated. I mean, compare with Mac. Complete G4 systems (used/refirb) are going for the price of an A1 mobo. Actually, you can't compare, anyhow. Mac has a comercially available OS (OSX - not 9!) that has already proven stable.
When I bought my A4000, it was cutting edge of what was out there. And I mostly kept it that way, with the phase 5 upgrades. I skipped on the CyberStorm mk3 PPC cycle (have a Mk2 060) and was going to get the CS G3 (remember that? I have a confirmed order form... :-( ) But obviously that never happened, so here I am. The 4000 is a dear part of my collection, and I'll never sell it. I'm not against spending some money... But I really have no use for a new outdated system, either. Saying you don't want to drag the corpse of m68k any further does make sense -- it's just that the AmigaOne also looks a lot like a dead corpse -- just one with a lot less market share than my m68k.
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An old topic, but who cares... ;-)
I'd just like to remind people that I am not going to turn off my A1200 when I get an AmigaOne, I'm going to use it so other people can view web-pages, listen to music and watch movies that stream from the A1, while I use the A1 for whatever I want. Why shouldn't my 'Classic' look and function the same as the A1, rather than just approximate it with more patches?
I also agree, funnily enough, with what most of those in favour have said. How many of you owning multiple Amiga's have wished all their machines could run OS4, as they probably do OS3?
I do want PPC. Especially now that x86 seems to be running out of options (they'll obviously think of something for the time being), and all those options are slowly but surely making appearances to help PPC architecture, too. It may only be a matter of time before PPC is the prefered solution (IMHO).
benJamin
"If 68K is dead, how come companies manufacture 68K compatible CPUs for use in embeded applications? 'Powered by Amiga' bicycles with mp3, speedometer/odometer, etc. is probably a silly idea, though..." ;-)
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I'd like to know if there is any market demand out there for an OS Enhancement Pack that would include some of the new features of OS 4.
Translation:
We'd rather not actually have to PAY FOR anything at any point soon, can we have some free stuff please? We promise not to complain MUCH when it doesn't run so well on our hardware.
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Gimmie a1!
My old amigas are dying a slow and painfull death, im not going to spend money on a dying platform, i would LOVE to get my mitts on an A1 with OS4, and as soon as i can i will, and then maybe get the old a1200 out of the closet for retro, "old time's sake". I personally think it would be a bad move to continue development for 68k, allthough i agree it would be nice, lets not tie this amiga ship down anymore than it allready is. Time to move on, i think.. :-)
(But thats just my opinion).
Kevin
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@mikeymike:
Huh? I'd pay for it, if only to encourage something else to be made for me to buy also. I'd rather spend AU$10 a month on ensuring my OS is up-to-date than try to spend AU$150+ to buy a new OS out-right. That money would only be wasted on Alcohol or Cigarettes, anyway, and I'm DEFINITELY more addicted to my Amiga (I can spend weeks without alcohol, but my Amiga is used nearly everyday).
But, by far the biggest reason: I use WinUAE for demonstrating my products to PC users at University, etc., even if the product will never see release on their platform. Especially to wow them.
It takes money to make money, therefore it takes product to make product, maybe?
benJamin
"Once I've duped a hundred thousand people into buying A1+OS4, they'll all be demanding Word be ported, and I'll tell them that they can get the DataTypes as ShareWare, and support the little people instead."
So there. :-P
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Sure there is market demand for that.
I would buy a few copies _given the right price_.
I've been trying to work with 3.5 on the Access, but am thinking of dropping that and going for 3.9 instead. If I get my Apollo 1240 up and running again that means I need another 3.9 license, and then I have a spare 1200 which I'm thinking of getting an 060 for, and that would mean another 3.9.
I also have Amithlon that I might start using more.
All in all, if it wasn't too expensive I would really like an update. At least 2, maybe up to 4 copies :-)
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I would get some type of upgrade like a BB3 sure. I'd even pay up to $20 for it. If Roadshow is released I would love that!!
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by pjhutch on 2003/6/26 14:14:22
I can see the need for a Bug Fix update for AmigaOS 3.9 and possibly an updated TCP/IP stack esp. for LAN/ADSL users.
Genesis bundled with AmigaOS3.9 CD and a XSurf card with its PPPoE device, works great with ADSL, and it is lighter and faster than MiamiDX.
Ciao
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benJamin wrote:
But, by far the biggest reason: I use WinUAE
Lets not forget you can only run OS4 on licenced hardware. Emulators may be the reason Amiga Inc and/or hyperion never allow this.
What are some other emulators we know of? MorphOS! For this reason alone i'd assume they wouldnt have anything to do with it.
I reckon its a great idea. And it seems so obvious. I'd say someone at hyperion or Amiga inc may have though about it before but because of the licencing issues dismissed it very quickly.
Also, i'd say that there has been so much advancement that, some modules wont run without the upgraded ExecSG. Someone mentioned roadshow, im not a kernel hacker or anything, but im resonably sure that stuff like TCP/UDP and protocol stuff is normaly a kernels job to understand. Im assuming that road show has been built into the kernel and hence the user applications wont do much on a non OS4 machine. Actualy, im just guess, so i take all that back :).
But for licenceing issues, i'd be surprised if hyperion would allow it. Good i dea though... maybe theres some checks you can put on a CD to determine what system your running. I think i'd be very good for those people running old systems to have this.
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There are both YEA and NAY sides to this idea!
OS3.5/3.9 had minimum requirements of 020, 6Mb RAM, CD-Rom etc.
You HAVE to leave some of the past behind! Bought ANY 33.3/45 records or 12" LaserDiscs lately?
ANYONE running a 68000 except for floppy-based '80s games can't really expect a new OS, and they don't need one as those games don't need more than just the KS . . . you know what I mean!
The ColdFusion project offers MORE than just a 200Mhz speed . . . there's provision for 256Mb RAM, GFX Card, and even LAN connection (I think).
For me, 68060 at 50Mhz is starting to wear thin but the ColdFusion does offer a bicycle-path beside the A1 Transit lane. Who would deny that the AmigaOS is so efficient that for 90% of computer tasks a 2Ghz processor is NOT really necessary?
A CD32-based Scala presentation can STILL surprise an audience, used to PowerPoint, particulary when they TRY to get their heads around the fact that its controlled by a 14Mhz processor!
I don't own an A3000, but if ColdFusion AND a OS past 3.9 are available, I'd be in the market for one -- even have a prospective replacement case for that combination! It has space for EIGHT 5¼" devices and is big enough to sit on! Then it would only need upholsetry, or a cushion. Who said that an A3000 had to be just for the desktop? :-)
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Laptops? Palmtops? Time to break the mold - I want my SubBum computer!
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I know I'd buy AOS4 for my A1000.
8)
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Personally I'd prefer Hyperion to spend their time making OS4 the best it can be for PPC
i wish they would do the amigaone version fist and drop the cybervision and blizzard versions. :-) :-o
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@Rodney
MorphOS is not an emulator, it has an emulator called Trance included.
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I'll answer the original question directly.
I paid UK£30 for OS 3.9 for my A1200 68060.
I downloaded the two free Boing bags to make it 3.92 or whatever you want to call it.
I like the OS because it is so fast and comfortable, but 680x0 is not the future unless someone starts making them in ghz instead of mhz.
I would buy another update but only if it were cheap. I need that money to put to a PPC Amiga, and so should other people. If no more 680x0 hardware improvements are made, the machine will fall behind more and more. I would not use, say, an Atari XE with 128k RAM and a floppy disk drive in 2003, but in a few years' time, my current Amiga will be like that is now.
Tip Of The Day: in British English, US spellings are acceptable only as proper nouns - Pearl Harbor is a harbour, the Medal of Honor is for honour, etc.
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@vortexau
Being in an eight-piece ensemble, including a DJ, and living with two vinal junkies (hip-hop, classical, etc.), I don't need to buy records. I hear them more than the radio.
Bought any 12" Laserdiscs ever?
Next stop OS3.9, then A1. I need an OS upgrade, and I was actually thinking of something like the 'Amiga Club' (not wanting to Jynx anything...) where, for however many months I invest in the operating system, I am entitled to the culminating release of all the works done during that period once they are stable. ie., no upgrade for four months, then if you can't afford it for three months because you have to pay a medical bill or something, you still get the next upgrade, whenever it is, probably reminding you to continue subscribing. The more subscribers, the more work, the more work, the more improvements, the more subscribers, etc..
Might be a difficult DBMS, but its the way of the future. Just look at the next generation mobiles and consoles on the horizon.
benJamin
"Quickly, now, there isn't much time."
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redfox wrote:
I would require a 68000 version, because my "classic" Amiga 2000HD does not have an accelerator card.
Ohferchrissake, I hope you're joking :-)
Back when the A1200 came out and magazines started releasing AGA-only coverdisks they were bombarded by people who still wanted OCS/ECS support.
Then they got the same complaints for years when they switched to CD-ROMs instead of floppies.
And now you want OS4 for your 68000 machine!!? Do you see WindowsXP supporting the 286? Or MacOSX supporting the 68000?
Your computer is a squillion years old, so don't whinge when software no longer supports it! Gah! :-)
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I want the update if it's bundled with a 68080/300Mhz ...
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IBrowse2.3 IS 68k and will remain so (till 3.0 is released).
RoadShow is planned to be sold as 68k.
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sweeto good replacement for MiamiDX