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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Desktop Audio and Video => Topic started by: CDE_MusiX on July 01, 2007, 12:58:12 AM
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Hi, AMIGA was a versatile system to make music with that classic trackers like ProTracker or so...
But now the times are a bit changed. I've know the AMIGA culture isn't definitely dead, and I know some music software is created also for AMIGA platforms (Like MilkyTracker if i don't miss)
But exists a software "Virtual Studio" like FL Studio or Cubase, that makes music using modern VST and ASIO technologies? Just for curiousity... Thanks!
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In a word, no... but you can use HDRecord for some basic nonlinear audio editing...
But there is nothing to compare to Logic Pro 7.2... that said OctaMED soundstudio is great for tracking using the amiga native audio which is rather unique in its sound quality.
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using the amiga native audio which is rather unique in its sound quality.
Well yes, if you like crappy 8-bit {bleep}e.
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oh come on, it's crappy 14-bit {bleep}e with OSS ;-)
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But the AMIGAs with mediator PCI can support a 16bit SoundCard.
Don't tell you nothing the use of the AHI?
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Soundstudio didnt support ahi, im afraid.
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Digibooster and some other tracker supports ahi. But the problem is the following:
My 68040@33MHz is too slow for my old 16bit 32channel xm musics on digibooster. Some of my 16ch which is not using in the same time all of 16ch playing perfectly. (about 12ch) Maybe i'm using the wrong version of ahi. (6 or something like that, don't blame i don't remember correctly)
Or the problem is with my gfx card, when i choose any gfx card screen mode the system request window draw things slow as hell. So maybe there is a bug or something.
And digibooster has some cool features in its own days, but now its feels like old, dusty, and noisy music maker software.
I tried some version of old ahi which is made for ppc cards. There is some speed gain, but i can't configure it correctly so, i dropped the idea. (And this version is sharware, not freeware)
Anyway making music with trackkers was good in the '90, but now VST plugins ruling the world. And for crystal clear drum-machines, and other synths withs stereo samples and full of effects demand a very high processor speed. Even on my Core2 Duo CPU gets sometime 70-90% load on fruityloops 7.
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hooligan wrote:
using the amiga native audio which is rather unique in its sound quality.
Well yes, if you like crappy 8-bit {bleep}e.
I happen to love it, actually. Everything has a place in electronic music and Paula's natural graininess and non-linearity provides a pretty unique distortion to samples that you can waste hours trying to achieve on modern kit.
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Karlos please explain this.
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I'm 100% with Karlos on this. Paula is like the new SID. You just cant recreate the sound with "lo-fi" plug-ins. Its the main reason I'm still using my A1200 & Octamed
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@CDE_MusiX,
Well, there's always Prostation Audio (http://www.audiolabs.it/prostation)
But its mostly a recording program and I dont think your A1200/030 would be up to it :lol:
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derringer3 wrote:
Karlos please explain this.
Simple. Paula has a unique "lo fi" sound that happens to be especially useful for many kinds of electronic music. The non-linear amplitude response, the grainy (but not hissy due to the response curve) 8-bit sound, the sample replay aliasing gives it a sound I've never been able to properly reproduce with effects processors/plugins. It sounds fantastic for all kinds of dirty percussion breaks and bass sounds.
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just one question.. Are you guys high? :)
Amiga had its time a couple decades ago when pc did beep.. but that was decades ago. Comparing it to SID is like comparing Budweiser to Champagne.
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btw are there some Soundblaster-fans claiming the old SB-cards having an unique sound? ;-)
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hooligan wrote:
btw are there some Soundblaster-fans claiming the old SB-cards having an unique sound? ;-)
Probably not, but to be fair those old FM synths can sound pretty damn good routed through some effects processing. I have an ancient yamaha keyboard that I use for that sort of thing.
It all depends on what you personally like the sound of. I happen to like dirty electronic sounds.
Let's face it, the TR808 was about the most unrealistic sounding drum synth possible, that didn't stop it captivating an entire generation of musicians and beyond. They embraced it for what it was, not for what it was supposed to be.
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heres an interesting reading for those who are interested:
http://www.bel.fi/~alankila/blog/2006/06/19/Blep%20synthesis.html
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hooligan wrote:
just one question.. Are you guys high? :)
I'm not high but I am a bit drunk... Anyway... I can spend a few hours with a bitcrusher and a lowpass filter... or just run a sample through Paula... Native Amiga audio still as it place in electronic music.
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@Bloodline
Having composed hundreds of songs on Amiga I agree with you and Karlos that Paula certainly met its purpose. It did produce damn fine sounds at its time. In 2007, no.. these days there are plugins which can emulate the sound of paula if necessary, and I sure as hell wont be missing it nor using these filters :)
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hooligan wrote:
@Bloodline
Having composed hundreds of songs on Amiga I agree with you and Karlos that Paula certainly met its purpose. It did produce damn fine sounds at its time. In 2007, no.. these days there are plugins which can emulate the sound of paula if necessary, and I sure as hell wont be missing it nor using these filters :)
As I said, it comes down to what you personally like the sound of. Evidently, you don't like that particular sound. Plugins are handy but to imply they can do everything you need seems somewhat glib to me.
I prefer use paula to naturally produce lofi electronic sound just as I prefer to use a real guitar to make guitar sounds, rather than some plugin.
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hooligan wrote:
@Bloodline
Having composed hundreds of songs on Amiga I agree with you and Karlos that Paula certainly met its purpose. It did produce damn fine sounds at its time. In 2007, no.. these days there are plugins which can emulate the sound of paula if necessary, and I sure as hell wont be missing it nor using these filters :)
Well... no plugin can accurately reproduce the Paula sound, yet... Arturia do a nice range of Softsynths... I use their ARP2600, MiniMOOG and Prophet 5 softsynth... which are so close to the real thng it's scary... but if you offered me a real ARP 2600, I'd take it in a second. When it comes to musical instruments, when you use a real device you often get happy accidents!
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. When it comes to musical instruments, when you use a real device you often get happy accidents!
Not to mention instant responsiveness under all conditions. Even a few millisecond delay can be really off putting I find.
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Mmm... this thread is going very discussive...
For say my real thing, I use a basic AMIGA
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Karlos wrote:
. When it comes to musical instruments, when you use a real device you often get happy accidents!
Not to mention instant responsiveness under all conditions. Even a few millisecond delay can be really off putting I find.
With my MBP and a firewire based audio interface (i use an Edirol FA101), my latency is down to 6ms which is fine for me :-)
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That's pretty good, I reckon I could probably cope with that for live playing. It's when you get a 50ms delay coupled with choppiness once the polyphony creeps up I find annoying. No cure for that except to upgrade.
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Karlos wrote:
That's pretty good, I reckon I could probably cope with that for live playing. It's when you get a 50ms delay coupled with choppiness once the polyphony creeps up I find annoying. No cure for that except to upgrade.
yeah, I'd say it's only really been the last couple of years that computers (and more importantly laptops) have been able to get the latency low enough for some serious good stuff. I use one MBP for softsynths, and one running Ableton as a live effects unit (3ms latency in the input, 3ms on the output... amazing the power of thses machines!!!!!!)!!!
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@hooligan,
I'm not high I probably just write/listen to different music than you do.
I'm not saying that Paula has "state of the art" sound. I'm just saying that its great for getting unique retro sound.
People do the same with the C64 and SID. That was the comparison I was making.
For the record I like Budweiser better than most Champagne and I'm Canadian. :-o
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For the record I like Budweiser better than most Champagne and I'm Canadian.
Wow.. I didnt know anyone who prefers Budweiser over anything :-)
Me, i'd choose tapwater.. same taste, but its free ;-)
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On high end there's 3 good ones. HDRec, ProStationAudio and AudioEvolution. They don't have the wide variety of state of the art plugins available on other architectures but provide decent non linear audio editing. Besides, you can use external hardware for processing and just do the NLE on them. Can't remember if any supported 24bit though, maybe AudioEvolution does.
Don't know about Octamed to be honest never tried it. But then again I just play guitar and record a few riffs here and there (wich hopefully will turn into songs some day;))