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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: wonea on October 18, 2002, 06:57:07 PM
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AmigaONE or Pegasos? Which one? I'm tempted by the AmigaONE motherboard, but the Pegasos looks so good! Are Amiga Inc delaying the OS to write drivers?
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Whichever arrives first and runs a decent operating system.
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Hoya!
I am more an AONE person myself.
Anyway, i'll need a coupla years before having the money, so...
Be funky
M A D
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Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.
The only public demonstration of their developments was AmigaOS3.x with some AOS4 technologies running on a A4000. You can simulate the experience by running your Amiga in 320 mode then pouring iron filings on the motherboard.
The AmigaOne has ONLY been demonstrated in two forms:
1) Dead on arrival
2) Running Linux/PPC
I would be tempted to buy an AmigaOne IF it was running AmigaOS and not before. I'm extremely wary of the Amiga partnership and their tactics and I expect them to say something like "Buy the AmigaOne and support AmigaOS 4 development". I'm not going to fall for that!
Furthermore the AmigaOne has the G3 processor soldered on the board.
Pegasos isn't much more impressive hardware-wise except that:
1) It's been working for a lot longer. AmigaOne only recently got a working bootloader.
2) It has a processor slot so you can get a dual G4 afterwards if you want.
3) It has built-in firewire ports. Given the benchmarks from the Mac universe, built-in firewire ports outperform firewire interface PCi cards.
My dream is still running MorphOS on something better like a Titanium Powerbook, but I might buy the Pegasos anyway.
The AmigaOne doesn't interest me in the least. Amiga Inc. isn't anywhere close to running a new OS on new hardware.
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@strobe
You've just created a 100+ comments-thread !
Happy :destroy: :flame: :quickdraw: :whack: :griping: :madashell: :ranting:
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strobe wrote:
Furthermore the AmigaOne has the G3 processor soldered on the board.
Only the G3SE. The XE has a swappable carrier, capable of holding up to 3 processors simultaneously.
Amiga Inc. isn't anywhere close to running a new OS on new hardware.
Ah, so you're better informed than everyone on the AmigaOne dev list are you? Do let us into the secret of your superior knowledge.
Furrfu.
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Only the SE will be available December. At the Finnish Amiga demo the XE wouldn't work and no explanation was given (like the ROM wasn't updated or something). No timeline has been given for the XE so I'm not even considering buying one.
As for the AOS4 timeline, I don't have superior knowledge, merely superior ability to use logic. The only thing AOS4-related which was demonstrated was a really buggy 3.x/4 hybrid which ran on a friggin A4000. Assuming Hyperion is sane, if they had something better to demonstrate at the time they would have. Furthermore none of the Amiga partners have claimed to find a silver bullet to bypass the long and tedious process of porting an OS to a completely new platform which has a new interrupt controller, north bridge, sough bridge, memory controller, ISA/ABI, etc. The only thing they have done lately is brag that they finished exec. Well woop de do!
AOS4 isn't finished now, and even if it was it will take a long time before it's stable on new hardware, say 2004.
I don't have special knowledge, I can see the bloody forrest from the trees!
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The XE has a swappable carrier, capable of holding up to 3 processors simultaneously.
From the horses mouth (MAI that is):
MegArray 300 Connector: supports single PowerPC? 750CX, PowerPC? 750FX, or MPC74XX compatible processor, as well as dual PowerPC? 750FX or MPC74XX processors up to 133 MHz CPU bus speed
Noone will EVER build a 3-CPU-system, cos it just doesn't make any sense.
OS4 isn't even running in an alpha-state on the CS_PPC (Hyperion would
have shown that AFAP if the could), and saying that a really working
version for the A1 "isn't anywhere close" is just commeon logic.
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I'm going for the AmigaOne-XE :-D
AmigaOne or none ;-)
@Rose
I hope you enjoy betatesting the beast (AmigaOneG3-SE) - and hopefully AmigaOS4.0Beta ;-)
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Well, since AmigaOS4 has not yet been confirmed for Pegasos, AmigaOne
is the only real choice for me.
Kay
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>Ah, so you're better informed than everyone on the
>AmigaOne dev list are you? Do let us into the
>secret of your superior knowledge.
Well the AmigaOne didn't run at the last 4 fairs where it was demoed...
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AmigaOne or Pegasos huh?
Well, I won`t make my mind up until I`ve seen both in their final retail state, there`s too much FUD flying from supporters on bother sides to get a clear view right now.
Also, I like coding (mostly just pratting about and learning) so the developer support available will play a big role in making my mind up.
On the note of developer support, I just hope the SDK for either system is cheaper than the AmigaDE SDK.
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@Strobe
Boy you are a one note horn. 20+ plus posts of sheer vitriol about the AOne. What's the matter you A**hole? Let me guess, you couldn't find www.Pegasos.org. The only thing you have done is fire on Amiga inc. Are you sure you don't work for MS?
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I like the idea of the A1 best, I will buy it when its released. Pegasos will have to be a big success to persude me to buy it.
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Well, I won`t make my mind up until I`ve seen both in their final retail state
You can buy a Pegasos with MorphOS in it's beta-stage right now...
as for the A1 ...who the heck knows...
I dont consider AOS4 running emulated or whatever on an A4000T to be a product....
Isnt AOS4 subject to it's own legal issues with haage and partner anyway?...
I dunno why everyone focuses on the AOS4/MOS said FUD ...when there is FUD about the AOS4/Haage&Partner thing anyway.
get a Pegasos ...you can get one NOW... then sell it if/when the A1 arrives(wich will no doubt be a ways off and you wont be bound by the no-sell clause) :P...
next week I'll be posting my first thread useing MOS/Pegasos :P woohooooo you know you want it.
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Isnt AOS4 subject to it's own legal issues with haage and partner anyway?...
No.
I dunno why everyone focuses on the AOS4/MOS said FUD ...when there is FUD about the AOS4/Haage&Partner thing anyway.
If there is, you're spreading it.
What does AOS4 have to do with H&P?
There is a dispute between AInc and H&P, but not about AOS4. It is true H&P would not release their source code to the additions made to AOS 3.1 in 3.5 and 3.9, but in most cases those were programmed by third parties who were free to negotiate their own deal with Hyperion for AOS4. There's no dispute about any of that.
As for the Pegasos, if anyone thinks I'll spend 1,000 Euros on a system whose details are kept a close secret, then they've lost their marbles.
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>Well the AmigaOne didn't run at the last 4 fairs where it was
demoed
What you have to remember is that a lot of recent AmigaOne demos have
been made by local dealers you have only recieved the board a few days
before (in some cases the same day) and havn't had the time set up a
Linux distro. I'd hedge a bet that the system have been running
though even if there hasn't been an OS to boot.
To be honest though you can't really judge either system yet most of
us havn't even seen either system yet, let alone run some apps or
games and had a couple of days to play around the the OS.
OS4 hasn't yet been demoed in full and MorphOS has only really been
shown booting into it's desktop and maybe running a few select apps.
You cannot really make assumptions about either yet.
Until proper reviews are made or you try them for yourself and maybe
have a few benchmarks availble to you then you shouldn't cast
judgement.
I have however decided opt for OS4 and A1 I have great faith In the
OS4 team and all involved. This doesn't mean that I don't think
Pegasos or MorphOS, for that matter will be good products though.
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AmigaOneXE here. Well when I have time and money...
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@Rob
I agree, to many people are comparing AOS4 against MorphOS. which is madness, how the hell can you make wild comparisons when one is not even out yet,
lets all start a new thread "Playstation 3 Vs Xbox" :)
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I think it will come down to where the developer community go. If Pegasos can build that up then surely users will be persuaded to switch?
Anyway how far is AmigaOS 4 off? If it comes this year, I will be happy. As long as I can have a not TOO limited amount of hardware in my box. Still then half the system will be emulated. Does this mean MorphOS will be faster?
Ahhh, which way to go? I want a new Amiga badly.
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As for the Pegasos, if anyone thinks I'll spend 1,000 Euros on a system whose details are kept a close secret, then they've lost their marbles.
As for the AmigaOne, if anyone thinks I'll spend 500 Euros on a motherd that has a solderd on cpu and runs Linux ... not even AmigaOS4 , then they've lost their marbles.
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As for the AmigaOne, if anyone thinks I'll spend 500 Euros on a motherd that has a solderd on cpu and runs Linux ... not even AmigaOS4 , then they've lost their marbles.
Absolutely. That's why I think both rival parties are offering a pile of poo at the moment.
My advice is rather than go wild and spend lots of money on a Pegasos+MorphOS of indeterminate quality, or buy A1G3SE+some future promised AOS4, is to sit tight and wait for objective and comprehensive reviews of the products.
If the manufacturers don't want to tell you what you're buying, don't buy anything until you can find out for yourself.
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ahh well thats logical...But I like Pegasos... and i want MacOnLinux :P... I plan to run LinuxPPC+MOL as much if not more then MorphOS anyway... 1000$ isnt to bad for what I'm getting.
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Why are people so convinced that AOS4 exists? It is with this premise that they decide what hardware to buy?
I will bet anybody here $1000 USD that AOS4 will not even be DEMONSTRATED in any form on the A1 this year!!! It's a friggin impossibility!
Hyperion would have demonstrated AOS4 running on a A4000 by now if they could have. They only recently bragged about completing exec like they were parting the Red Sea!.
One thing I know for sure: BetatesterII does NOT require an NDA so anybody who gets it will be able to review it and talk openly about developing apps for it.
Meanwhile at the AmigaOne display I see tumbleweeds...
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strobe you dont get it...Amiga I have found isnt about wether or not something excists, how long it will take to excist, if its any good or not, if it's hardware sucks, if its general policy stinks, or wether or not you even like the end result of it.
Amiga is about one thing... the 'NAME" Amiga...it isnt about.
Quality
Stability
Applications
Product Support
Service
Logic
Wisdom
or anything else even slightly related to it... Amiga zealots even the ones zealot for the OS have gone into 'Name' lovers these days...Thats why I'm getting Pegasos/MOS .
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So people who have pre ordered the A1 motherboard will recieve it but will only be able to run Linux on it? or will they not get it till AOS4 eventually comes out?
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@strobe:
> As for the AOS4 timeline, I don't have superior knowledge, merely superior ability to use logic.
Really, strobe, you would be amazed by just how many people think that about themselves.
> Why are people so convinced that AOS4 exists?
Well, let's see...the component demonstrations, the claims from respected developers who are working on it, the statements from the betatesters, the progress reports, the official statements about it...I'm sure there's even more. Now, I'll give you this, Spock, it COULD just be an exceedingly intricate hoax. Exactly WHY AInc, Hyperion, the other developers and the betatesters would make a hoax like this over an extended period of time is beyond me, however, and until you give me a good reason why, I'm just going to dismiss the idea as yet more FUD from a loudmouth zealot trolling the forums.
> It is with this premise that they decide what hardware to buy?
In my case it certainly is, yes.
> I will bet anybody here $1000 USD that AOS4 will not even be DEMONSTRATED in any form on the A1 this year!!! It's a friggin impossibility!
Well, I won't take your bet, as you might be right, but to claim that it is impossible is just plain stupid. Or maybe it's just an attempt from you to spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in order to promote Pegasos/MorphOS.
> Hyperion would have demonstrated AOS4 running on a A4000 by now if they could have.
The last word from Ben Hermans was that the 68k emulator was being integrated, and that this would take a few weeks. Without this integrated, they can't run OS4 on PPC hardware. So yes, they can't demonstrate OS4 yet. This isn't a remarkable observation on your part, though, everybody already knows it.
> They only recently bragged about completing exec like they were parting the Red Sea!.
Yeah right. They said that it was finished, alright, but I'd be utterly amazed if the uncontrolled bragging happened anywhere besides inside your head.
> One thing I know for sure: BetatesterII does NOT require an NDA so anybody who gets it will be able to review it and talk openly about developing apps for it.
Err...good for you.
> Meanwhile at the AmigaOne display I see tumbleweeds...
I'm sure you will see exactly what you want to see, and hear exactly what you want to hear.
Kay
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There is no reason to fear that AOS4 doesn't run on the AmigaOne. Furthermore there is no uncertainty that AOS4 doesn't run on the AmigaOne. Not now, not when the A1 is sold, and not any time next year.
The only thing I have is DOUBT!
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last word from Ben Hermans was that the 68k emulator was being integrated, and that this would take a few weeks. Without this integrated, they can't run OS4 on PPC hardware
What your saying then is that OS4 is entirely 68K then?... if it where 'all' 68K (workbench and all) then you might as well run Amithlon because the big E world is what the entire OS would be then...
I had thought OS4 like MorphOS was going to be a native PPC OS (useing this native EXEC kernel in AOS's case) and that a 68K emulation layer of sorts was going to be implimented to allow old apps to run.
If i had known that they NEEDED this 68K Layer to even boot the OS i'd of thought less of it from the beginning even.
But thats pretty pathetic if it is true.
I agree though... whats FUD about AOS4...
It dosent excist yet and A1 dosent run it...so I dont think there is anything we can really say about it except that it's going to have some catching up to do if it takes them a whole year more to get it on PPC and shipped to the users.
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Well that just Prime
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DAMMIT EVEN I PRIME LEFT AMIGA. ITS NOT AMIGA ANYMORE. Dam misleading, misinformation from Amiga inc ., and their cronies have killed off Amiga. Although, the topology and Ideas still live. The core Amgia people are the ones that dont kiss ass and know what to do, and we are doing it.
Thank GOD Amiga is going BANKRUPT :-P :-x :-D
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:-D
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Couple of facts for the idiots:
The "AmigaOne" doesn't have a soldered on CPU. The "AmigaOneG3-SE" does. I've actually played with an "AmigaOneG3-XE" that _didn't_ have a soldered on CPU (the fact that it booted Linux in Gothenburg with no effort whatsoever should be a hint as to how long it'll take before they're on sale :-D ).
I've decided I want one so badly I'm saving money for it as we speak :-P
So please, no more "soldered on CPU" talk, ok?
Oh, and Rose is mislead when it comes to the number of CPU's in the XE. It's 2, not 3. outstanding requests != number of processors. Rose, bad girl! :-)
On the other hand, a dual G4 should be plenty of juice for most applications.
Oh, and "oh for crying out loud. Is Shawn back out of the loonie bin?". God damn.
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does the 'AmigaOne' that people will recieve for their pre-order money have a solderd on CPU? if so that's what i meant.
Shawn is back from the loonie bin
and he's pretty funny :P
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he fact that it booted Linux in Gothenburg
Just prooves that MAI has send a working proto of there TeronPX (MK2)
to Eyetech, big deal !
with no effort whatsoever should be a hint as to how long it'll take before they're on sale
How long has it been since the TeronCX bootet Linux for the 1st
time ? How long since Alan annouced the CX-MK2 aka A1.5 aka A1-SE ?
Alan had been very clear from the start that the "XE" would only be
produced if the actual sales of the SE were good enough to justify it.
A1-SE (without OS4) is planned for December, but sales will be pretty
low till OS4 runs on it (and when that is gonne happen is everyones
guess). So when will the "XE" be produced in numbers ?
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i want an amiga one but the Pegasos is also looking like a good alternative but i want os4 if i had the money id buy both. :-D
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"A1-SE (without OS4) is planned for December, "
Where do you get this one from? #morphos?
I dont see you on the a1g3 dev list Kronos.
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@DaveP
Well December is what has been said on that finnish show, and
that it won't come with OS4 at that time is just common sense based
on what has been shown sofar by Hyperion.
The December date isn't really important, but the date when OS4 runs
on it. Following Alan's statemnets about the XE its pretty obvious
that it will be relaesed well after OS4 is out.
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@Kronos
I don't think you can really base much on what you have seen so far.
From my own knowledge ( and I cant back this up with publically available facts ) there are just two things standing in the way of AOS4.0 being completed for A1G3.
OTOH Hyperion have said December, Alan has said December. We can be cynical about those dates as much as we like.
Perhaps we will also see a non beta MorphOS and Pegasos by December too.
@those that claimed that the Teron CX has been "working for two years"
Really? You don't know much do you? Being in existance != working - as we have seen with the Pegasos which still is not working to the level of bug free reliability that Thendic wants.
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@DaveP
Publically known facts:
Christmas is only 2 months away.
Producing the CD and boxes does take some time.
Hyperion haven't even shown a working alpha on a CS_PPC (emphasis on PPC).
Big project NEVER work by just putting some (tested) pieces together.
Decent betatesting of "the real thing" does take months (thats what MOS is doing
right now).
Hyperion are not the kind of guys that would keep something working hidden
esspacially not in a competetive situation. Hyperion has been talking about
OS4 in December, and it has been quite a while since Ben talked about OS4_4_A1
in December.
A somewhat working alpha running on exactly one A4000-config is the best I would
expect to see in Aachen (early December).
Well the TeronCX HAS existed some time before the A1, and it was even running
Linux. Removing a few HW-bugs and replacing parts with newer models is good,
but not really exiting.
The Pegasos_HW in the mATX-version has been working since allmost a year,
and had reached final status this summer. It's the SW (MorphOS/Ambient/BIOS)
that are not 100% consumer-ready.
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"Christmas is only 2 months away."
Oh sh!t Ive got presents to buy.
"Producing the CD and boxes does take some time."
4 days.
"Hyperion haven't even shown a working alpha on a CS_PPC (emphasis on PPC)."
To the public.
"Big project NEVER work by just putting some (tested) pieces together."
Duuh thats why you have integration testing. ;-)
"Decent betatesting of "the real thing" does take months (thats what MOS is doing
right now)."
Well depends, if it has been betatested in a sandbox
to a level of component reliability and everyone was working to the same spec then there is a good chance that the only task left is integration testing and bug testing.
"Hyperion are not the kind of guys that would keep something working hidden
esspacially not in a competetive situation. "
Speculation and not fact.
"Hyperion has been talking about
OS4 in December, and it has been quite a while since Ben talked about OS4_4_A1
in December."
Its been a long while since Ben talked about anything in public other than navel gazing with trolls over minute technical details on ANN.
"A somewhat working alpha running on exactly one A4000-config is the best I would
expect to see in Aachen (early December)."
You may be right. You may be wrong. I don't expect to see a production quality MorphOS in December in the same way as I didnt expect to say it in May ( prior deadline ) or in February ( prior deadline ) or....
"Well the TeronCX HAS existed some time before the A1, and it was even running
Linux."
Oh yes, it ran Linux but how well and for how long? Anyone else remember?
" Removing a few HW-bugs and replacing parts with newer models is good, but not really exiting."
But makes a significant difference. You earlier stated that migrating 68k to PPC means that you have a big testing effort ahead of you and bug extraction ( paraphrased but that was the import. I put it to you that the upgrade caused a similar testing effort and if you were on the A1G3 mailing list you would know yet more.
"The Pegasos_HW in the mATX-version has been working since allmost a year,"
According to Thendic it has been bug ridden and unreliable. In their so called "press releases".
"and had reached final status this summer."
Hmmm so "working" has a low burden of proof when
its the Pegasos? Final status -> removed most of the problems.
" It's the SW (MorphOS/Ambient/BIOS)
that are not 100% consumer-ready."
Oh so MOS have not got a reliable BIOS then? ;-)
One up for Hyperion and the lads behind PPCBoot.
You see none of this helps anyone. Lets stick to the FUDBUSTER as its pretty good.
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@DaveP
It's beginning to get funny :-P
The Peagsos-BIOS is quite reliable, but just not 100% finished.
Same could be said about PPCBoot.
In the past months Ben has made some pretty odd statements of what
we should expect in the 1st OS4-release.
Like:
"I won't hold it back because of a missing driver for the on-board-audio"
O.k. no prob since the AMR is still vapor anyway :-P , but on-board
sound did work on the old MOS-beta I've tested in Bremen.
"Drivers for the Radeon won't be in the initiall release"
Guess what card was installed in Bremen ;-)
He even talked about delievering a non-FPU-68k-emu !
(yes I know that won't happen)
Looks like both sides have a somewhat differnt opinion on what is
a beta and what is a consumer release.
The priot MOS-deadline were still based on the (stupid) idea of using
an AmigaOS-WB, and a full OS including WB-replacement has been
announced for late 02 since mid 01.
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Ole-Egil said
Oh, and "oh for crying out loud. Is Shawn back out of the loonie bin?". God damn.
Someone remarkably similer to Shawn was spouting off about Pegasos in Cheetachats Computer forums the other day !!
Silly Bugger !! Shawn, The only people in that forum are those that cant get their printers etc to work under XP. :-D
Theres NO way you could've had a decent argument with them about the "Merits/Shortcomings" od ANY O/s cos they dont have a clue !!
Now if you had changed into the "Linux" Rooms ..
They'd have ripped your head off and Sheet in your neck !! :-o
There ARE quite a number of knowledgable people in those forums who ARE watching the progress our new Mobos are making (Both Pegasos & A1).
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@Kronos
Yeah,
"The priot MOS-deadline were still based on the (stupid) idea of using
an AmigaOS-WB, and a full OS including WB-replacement has been
announced for late 02 since mid 01."
The first part I agree with and is an interesting insight.
The second part hmmm... not according to Thendic but then they don't have much credibility with me either. Slightly less than Mr Hermans ;-)
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@DaveP
The "late 02" statements on the "Mosbench" (Ambient) have been
made long before Thendic got involved, and I'm sure you could find
them if would take the time to search through the ann.lu-archives.
Thrusting me on this is the easier method :-D
But if you do, you might also find out that my "conversion" was based
on two things: MOS dropped the plans for using AOS-WB, and OS4 went
from "any suitable HW" to "any licenced and dongled HW".
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> What your saying then is that OS4 is entirely 68K then?
Wow, that's some conclusion to draw from what I said. OS4 is not 68k only, but there are components which remain 68k. I can't remember exactly which, but they were claimed not to be performance critical. Anyway, I'm guessing they wouldn't demonstrate OS4 without the 68k emulator. Whether they are able to boot it up "at home" without these components, I don't know. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, maybe they are not bothering with it until they have the emulator. It hasn't been that long since the firmware was completed, and the emulator integration is apparently just around the corner.
> ... if it where 'all' 68K (workbench and all) then you might as well run Amithlon because the big E world is what the entire OS would be then...
Well, it isn't.
> If i had known that they NEEDED this 68K Layer to even boot the OS i'd of thought less of it from the beginning even.
I don't think they need it just to boot. To run OS4 in it's entirety though, they will need it. I guess this wasn't too clear from what I wrote. In my defence, let me say that it was really late (around 0430) when I wrote it. :-)
Kay
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Kronos said ..
Thrusting me
Ooo . No thanks Kronos ... People might start to whisper things !! :-o ( Mos in bed with Aos)
:-D :-D
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@optimaloptimusprime
DAMMIT EVEN I PRIME LEFT AMIGA. ITS NOT AMIGA ANYMORE. Dam misleading, misinformation from Amiga inc ., and their cronies have killed off Amiga. Although, the topology and Ideas still live. The core Amgia people are the ones that dont kiss ass and know what to do, and we are doing it.
Does anyone else think Shawn sounds scarily like www.timecube.com (http://www.timecube.com)?
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As someone said before, just wait until both systems
are finished and available for purchase.
My A1200 with Mediator and BlizzPPC does most of
jobs that I do, bit I hope to see OS4 on my curent
system, before I buy one of two new boards.
I'll shure go SharkPPC+ and OS4. Hope! Hope!
I survived Cancer(Hodgkins limfoma), and I'm lookig
all from bright sides now. With all steps behind
other tehnologies, I'm happy to use my curent system,
but I would be happy to see any of these two boards,
but AmigaONE is slightly leading for me.
Amiga and Me = Survivors
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>What you have to remember is that a lot of recent
>AmigaOne demos have
>been made by local dealers you have only recieved
>the board a few days
Sorry but then it is definetively no system for the end user yet. If you need some expert and many days to create a working system that's really not what users want to have.
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No. Neither the Pegasos or the A1 are end user systems yet.
Patience.
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>No. Neither the Pegasos or the A1 are end user
>systems yet.
I'm speaking about the hardware and the BIOS. If it
isn't possible for a user to build a working system in
a few hours it's definetively not worth buying.
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I agree. Which is why I slagged off the 1000 UKP Power Tower IV system that I bought from Power Computing that required #### loads of work on it to get it to boot.
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You are speaking about the hardware and the bios?
In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory, harddrive and graphics card and press the power-on button?
That's ALL I had to do to test a linux-kernel on ppcboot today. Except I already had the board with graphics card, ram, hd and power connected, of course :-)
My god, what are you talking about?
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>In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory,
>harddrive and graphics card and press the power-
>on button?
I don't know. Let's see:
at OASE:
BIOS didn't work (RAM was not recognized, later the
CD ROM device was recognised as a HD) -> no
booting was possible
at Pianta Amiga:
Do not know the reasons: but there was no running
AmigaOne
at Oulu:
No working AmigaOne was shown (because of
some BIOS problems, which I don't know what they
were).
So please tell me what was so difficult, that there
was no working AmigaOne at the last weeks'
shows?
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I will most likely go the MOS + Peggy way.
I decided this last year.. when they paused the development of AOS4.0.
MOS is more promissing to me, and there are quite some apps to go with it.
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olegiel , and whomever
The loonies are the ones that would support amiga and cant use any common sense . Mips supports me amont many others. We where jsut having fun last night and elektro got the joke and played along. Dam I said the same thing strobe did over a year ago. You attack strobe in the same way. Almost to a the letter . Its a sad fact you cant attack from differnt angles always saying stupid meaningless ****. My facts are taken off the this so called thread. This is a pure dictatorship. You cant say anything but what redrumla and wayne agree you can say. Well TS to them . Well this will be taken off also or they will let it stay up because they want to prove me wrong. I dont think they can think that deeply . so maybe ... :-D
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The only thing AOS4-related which was demonstrated was a really buggy 3.x/4 hybrid which ran on a friggin A4000.
I hate to reply to early posts on an already long thread, but, do you really think it's fare to pass any judgement on software that's not even in beta testing? Every software ever writen was pretty buggy at one point, so you're not saying anything useful or informative here. Hyperion has never claimed to be close to a final product, they never siad it will be out next week, or next month, so to judge it's "bugginess" is just uncalled for and unfair.
I understand you've made a choice but there are merits to both systems and no body needs mis-information.
- Mike
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lets all start a new thread "Playstation 3 Vs Xbox" :)
No way man, whenever the PS3 was demoed it wasn't even running. Plus it has no games available! And I don't really know for sure since I've never seen it, but it looks ugly!
:-P
- Mike
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I will bet anybody here $1000 USD that AOS4 will not even be DEMONSTRATED in any form on the A1 this year!!! It's a friggin impossibility!
This year or next year, I don't care, as long as they get it right.
The way I see it, technical merits aren't the only thing here. We're talking about a computer that will enjoy a very very small market. I would rather by an inferior system that has more software available. I think the Amiga name can draw more developers and users in, and in the long run could come out ahead of MOS. MOS & Pegasos might be better technically, but that doesn't interest me. I wouldn't spend $2 on a system that has no future.
If it turns out that the AmigaOne has no future then it's bye-bye Amiga and I'll just move on to other things.
- Mike
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There is no reason to fear that AOS4 doesn't run on the AmigaOne. Furthermore there is no uncertainty that AOS4 doesn't run on the AmigaOne. Not now, not when the A1 is sold, and not any time next year.
You know, if you told me you wanted a MOS/Pegasos system for it's technical merits I could respect that. But when you sit here and talk out of your ass about #### you have no clue about it gets really annoying, really fast. Why don't you take your thoughts on the A1/AOS4 and stick 'em up your ass!
- Mike
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Playstation 3 Vs Xbox
didnt catch that :P
generally speaking products in the same catagory follow progression suchas PS3/Xbox.
The ones out THIS year will be obselete by the ones in 5 years.
with A1/MOS you cant really make that comparison since the A1 will use a G3 600mhz wich is no better then Pegasos :O) and we have no idea when it's comming out.
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zacman wrote:
>In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory,
>harddrive and graphics card and press the power-
>on button?
I don't know. Let's see:
at OASE:
BIOS didn't work (RAM was not recognized, later the
CD ROM device was recognised as a HD) -> no
booting was possible
at Pianta Amiga:
Do not know the reasons: but there was no running
AmigaOne
at Oulu:
No working AmigaOne was shown (because of
some BIOS problems, which I don't know what they
were).
So please tell me what was so difficult, that there
was no working AmigaOne at the last weeks'
shows?
Finnish show:
IT HAD NO FREAKING BIOS INSTALLED, that's the problem. It was a motherboard shipped to a user, the firmware chip was shipped later. Lack of frigging chip is NOT something the end user will EVER have to worry about, no?
The XE didn't have firmware trouble, it had no working Linux.
Oh, and about the OASE:
Was the RAM on the list of supported types? I mean, how difficult is it to check that you buy memory that's supposed to work, as opposed to actively going out of your way to find memory that's NOT gonna work?
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@olegil
Which prooves actually what ?
Severe lack of coordination from Eyetech, as I have yet seen such a
desaster (and it's nothing else) on a Pegasos-show, even those not
directly done by Thendic themselfes.
as opposed to actively going out of your way to find memory that's NOT gonna work?
I just hope I misunderstood you here, cause I read it as you claim
that someone sabotaged that show on purpose by making sure
that the RAM won't work.
Shipping board and BIOS seperatly sound just plain stupid !
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>I mean, how difficult is it to check that you buy
>memory that's supposed to work, as opposed to
>actively going out of your way to find memory that's
>NOT gonna work?
Oh at least this is news. But as I told you after the
Mem issue was solved, there still was the problem
with the cdrom...
It seems you need very special hardware for the
AmigaOne as it seems that the BIOS does not
accept common devices and RAM. Not user-friendly
I would say.
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>Severe lack of coordination from Eyetech, as I
>have yet seen such a
>desaster (and it's nothing else) on a Pegasos-
>show, even those not
>directly done by Thendic themselfes.
Well, to be perfectly honest, there was this once incident in the U.S. when Thendic failed to mail their stuff to a show in time?
But when taking into consideration their active participation at various events all around the world as a whole, they certainly have a far more impressive track-record on demonstrations.
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I think it can be persumed that AmigaOS 4 will be released next year as there has hardly been any PR push at all. While things have been heating up on the MorphOS side of things.
http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=109&si=1
People complain about all there is a demonstration with a few selected apps for MorphOS. What the hell are you saying!? It's basically a new platform you can't expect the world in two seconds. Also I think the Pegasos machine is good value, firewire, usb, all wrapped up in a delicious box. Very Tasty.
If the Amiga community split on the decision between the two platform it could be fatal. People saying they don't want to spend £$ is also crazy. Apart from buying second hand hardware and upgrades since 1995, what else has there been in terms of computer hardware?
The only advantage AmigaINC have is the Amiga name. The fields flat, and I see Pegasos as the winner. Simply because I can surf to find out whats going on.
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@jtsiren
They did say that it would be a close call when the show was announced,
and they did make sure that they were sending out a working package.
Thats all they could do, and that show wasn't even an official one, but one
where one of the Betatesters asked if he could demonstrate his brand
new machine.
Another venue was found and the presentation happened last week.
link (http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=108&si=1)
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I recently caught a demo of Pegasos ( a Beta unit) running MorphOS. The machine had a g3 running @600 MHz - the CPU was cool to the touch with no fan being used! The Pegasos can also use the G4 prossecors.
I was trully impressed by the demo. The motherboard has loads of ports, including USB, and has PCI slots, and an AGP slot for the video card.
This machine seemed very stable, and very fast! I would buy one in a heart beat if the price is right.
So far I have seen nothing of the Amiga One, so I can't compare them....
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Well, lot of discussions here... :-)
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It seems you need very special hardware for the AmigaOne as it seems that the BIOS does not accept common devices and RAM. Not user-friendly I would say.
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As I see it, not so very special... but you need to know that you get the right ones. And it's not only for the AmigaOne it is in that way, it's quite common, and will for instance be the same for both Aone and Pegasos.
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As for what has been showed and yet not, it will soon be more and better information available, and also better shows... people are working on it...
As for showing AmigaOne running, this site from the Gothenburg event offer quite many picturs, and some smaller videos;
http://www.amigbg.com
Enjoy :-)
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Y'know..... I'm so bored I think I'll go take a looky
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Well ............... At least there nice & clear
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To me its neck and neck. Either way I'll be buying just the motherboard & CPU. Then mix and match what I want, from what's supported. Though as much as I like the Pegasos I've got a gut feeling to buy a AmigaONE.
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It seems you need very special hardware for the AmigaOne as it seems that the BIOS does not accept common devices and RAM. Not user-friendly I would say.
That's more common then you might think. Even ASUS boards have problems with specific ram modules when they are first released. Typically, all the BIOS upgrades they release just add support for more and more ram modules. Currently ASUS' new KT400 (A7V8X) motherboards support only 6 or 7 different PC3200 DIMMs. That is bound to change with later revisions of the BIOS. That's the nice thing about a flashable BIOS, and the AmigaOne is flashable, so no worries really. Since it's still being developed they have bigger worries then to make sure it works with every ram chip out there.
And just to put my money where my wouth is, check the bottom of this page: ASUS A7V8X Spec Sheet (http://usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7v8x/specification.htm)
- Mike
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Apart from buying second hand hardware and upgrades since 1995, what else has there been in terms of computer hardware?
AMD & ASUS. Who says my next computer has to be an Amiga? It's one thing to build a computer, it's another to build a market. I'm not interested in who makes a better PPC box, I want a useable market that will make the PPC box worth it's keep. That's the bottom line, and I couldn't care less what a few geeks think about the hardware.
- Mike
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I recently caught a demo of Pegasos ( a Beta unit) running MorphOS. The machine had a g3 running @600 MHz - the CPU was cool to the touch with no fan being used!
heh, maybe that's because it had no software to keep it busy! :-P heh, just kidding, had to throw that in.
- Mike
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I dunno... As for me, I'll have to wait 'till I'm done with some much needed home improvements. With the three new rooms to be added on, the kitchen to be totally redone, and the new furnace to be installed, it'll take a few years to get it all paid off. Hopefully, the AmigaONE should be out by then. ;-)
'till then, Rant on! :ranting:
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Would you like fries with that?
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KapitanKlystron wrote:
@Strobe
Boy you are a one note horn. 20+ plus posts of sheer vitriol about the AOne. What's the matter you A**hole? Let me guess, you couldn't find www.Pegasos.org. The only thing you have done is fire on Amiga inc. Are you sure you don't work for MS?
Calm down, respect other peoples opinions. No im not a MOS Supporter, but he does have some good points.
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it's not wich one it will be...it's wich one will it be that fails first.....
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Considering I got one of the first ppcboot chips while in Gothenburg and had to have it replaced almost immediately, it would NOT have been very user friendly to ship the board with firmware. It was either just a board, or both board and firmware not arriving at all.
And the fact that the MAI northbridge doesn't handle all memory modules (in fact, the only thing that's more or less sure to work is registered RAM) doesn't make the firmware (stop calling it a BIOS already, that's such a negatively loaded word ;-) ) buggy. I really don't think PPCBoot can do anything about it. Which is why I've been trying to keep people from buying cheap memory last year for use with the board next year. Cheap memory right out the window isn't cheap.
The CDrom issue sounds like a bug, though. But it's not one I've ever heard of. I suspect it's been fixed eons ago.
Also, how do you know the CDROM was detected as a harddisk? Because it came up in the IDE unit list? It's supposed to, you know...
If only people would stop speculating everything to death (and start listening to facts) I think this would be a much better place. But oh no.
I don't give a rats ass about how much more PR Thendic are doing. I do notice, however, that they're still sponsoring the word "amigaone" at google. A computer that doesn't sell itself but has to be marketed as "mom's friendly computer company's friendly alternative to the evil AmigaOne" can't be very sellable. I remember back in May there was gonna be a TV show in Germany featuring the "AmigaOne from bPlan". Kronos was all raged up about how the show was stopped, but come on. I wouldn't have wanted to be the journalist who had to go out in public and say "oops, wrong product, it's really the competitor we are gonna show today".
I just don't trust Thendic, for some odd reason...
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The only advantage AmigaINC have is the Amiga name. The fields flat, and I see Pegasos as the winner. Simply because I can surf to find out whats going on.
IF history can be use as a guidance, Amiga Inc has the history at it’s side i.e. OS/2 Warp made to the general market before Windows 95 and OS/2 still lost the war.
Many other reasons why IBM’s OS/2 Warp lost the Win95/OS2 war is the fact that IBM doesn’t have “Microsoft Windows” branding and name. Generally, most users will run MS Apps on MS OS.
Most users see “Microsoft Windows 95” as the real successor of “Microsoft Windows 3.11”, due to the name and branding factors.
Personally, my HW selections will be dictated largely by price.
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lets all start a new thread "Playstation 3 Vs Xbox" :)
Well, guessing X-BOX 2’s specs is not that hard i.e. just guess yet another X86 HW e.g. AMD Athlon XP/Duron @~1.6 Ghz with a DirectX 9 class GPU....
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The only advantage AmigaINC have is the Amiga name. The fields flat, and I see Pegasos as the winner. Simply because I can surf to find out whats going on.
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IF history can be use as a guidance, Amiga Inc has the history at it’s side i.e. OS/2 Warp made to the general market before Windows 95 and OS/2 still lost the war.
Many other reasons why IBM’s OS/2 Warp lost the Win95/OS2 war is the fact that IBM doesn’t have “Microsoft Windows” branding and name. Generally, most users will run MS Apps on MS OS.
Most users see “Microsoft Windows 95” as the real successor of “Microsoft Windows 3.11”, due to the name and branding factors.
Personally, my HW selections will be dictated largely by price.
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This statement is only half true. Windows won over OS2 simply by better marketing, and office. When OS2 came along it had nowhere near the backing windows had. By that time people where already becoming entrenched into Office.
Now apart from the name, and a cheap motherboard (Herahh!), what does Amiga Inc have? Officialness and that counts for everything (contradiction there I know, I'm agreeing with you). How long have we waited? About 8 long years. For all we know MorphOS is just another Phase 5, leading us down a dead end.
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>I don't give a rats ass about how much more PR
>Thendic are doing.
Of course you don't care. But the Amiga magazines,
the websites, several show organizers and of course Amiga dealers do.
>I do notice, however, that they're still sponsoring
>the word "amigaone" at google
Oh my god! And tell you what: They even had the
Walker shown yesterday at this BeOS fair...
>I remember back in May there was gonna be a TV >show in Germany featuring the "AmigaOne from
>bPlan".
This is FUD because I assume you know the email
that has stopped the show.
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The reason I mentioned that the pre-alpha AmigaOS 3.x/4 hybrid was demonstrated was not to criticize the effort or what was demonstrated but to point out what stage in development they were at. My only point here is if they had something better to show us they would have and that given all the facts concerning OS development there is little chance of seeing AOS4 stable on new hardware in a very long time.
I'm not reveling in this fact, I'm merely pointing it out.
I'm also pointing out how impressive bPlan's progress has been. They have a completely new OS running on new hardware which you can actually get your hands on if you so choose.
I don't like either the Pegasus or the AmigaOne on a purely hardware standpoint. I would much rather use a Titanium Powerbook.
Also allow me to say that I don't trust either of these companies, however I do trust my own eyes. What do you see with your eyes? I see a TODO list from Amiga Inc. and a working OS from bPlan. Unless I'm short on TP my decision is obvious.
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FYI the Teron CX and PX now run MorphOS.
http://www.morphos-news.de/
Still waiting for the Titanium Powerbook |-)
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Is MorphOS open source?
People say morphOS is not creditable, have you seen the developer credits?
Very impressive... Surely Mac support is in our grasp. Have you seen the supported hardware list on the thendic site? Most of my mac is supported there!
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MorphOS is not open source. It is closed source and commercial. I would rather have a semi-open source commercial OS (like Apple's current strategy) but oh well.
In order to run MorphOS on a Mac, they (bPlan) would have to port it themselves. I believe they would like to do this but they obviously have to concentrate on making a stable consumer release first.
They also plan to run MorphOS on some kind of PDA-like device called the eclipsis. Personally I would rather run it on a Titanium Powerbook (in case bPlan is reading this).
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The Pegasos by far has the best features of the two. And it's expandable now, not a disposable like the SE.
I hope OS 4 will be made available for the Pegasos.
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MorphOS is not open source. It is closed source and commercial. I would rather have a semi-open source commercial OS (like Apple's current strategy) but oh well.
Honestly I would run OSX if I had a decent Mac... screw running some weird OS on good hardware...
OSX is by far superior to AOS/MOS or even Linux....
Why anyone with a G4 mac would wanna dump OSX in favor of AOS/MOS I dont know.
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Answer: to run your Amiga software faster |-)
It wouldn't take that long to reboot anyhow.
Mac OS X is a nice OS (provided you only use Carbon apps, I hate Cocoa apps still) but it also has some quirks. Apple still isn't getting the most out of the hardware. There are ABI issues, and the kernel could still be more responsive (consider that some drivers are still running in kernel space when they ought to be running in user space, this is due to the kernel not passing messages and moving memory fast enough).
Mac OS X actually runs rather well on a 250mhz 604e provided you have gobs of RAM. :-p
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mips_proc wrote:
MorphOS is not open source. It is closed source and commercial. I would rather have a semi-open source commercial OS (like Apple's current strategy) but oh well.
Honestly I would run OSX if I had a decent Mac... screw running some weird OS on good hardware...
OSX is by far superior to AOS/MOS or even Linux....
Why anyone with a G4 mac would wanna dump OSX in favor of AOS/MOS I dont know.
I'm running a dual 867 with 2Gb and OS X Jaguar and wouldn't trade it or Apple's Developer Tools for anything out there. I've always been a fan of NeXT and OpenStep and simply enjoy programming for that environment, so it was easy for me to move to Cocoa. In my opinion it's the best thing out there. My only interest in OS4 and AmigaOne would be to fool around with programming. I never really tried to on the classic platform and so I want to give the new system and software a try.
I think that Amiga, Inc can learn from Apple by bundling free development tools with the OS so kickstart, pardon the pun, the developer interest in the platform. Pro and hobbyists alike.
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I don't mind developing with Cocoa. I love Objective-C. However I do not like the behavior of Cocoa apps. Furthermore a lot of former NeXT-heads don't seem to have a clue when it comes to human interface design. I think one mistake NeXT made was thinking that high-level API abstraction meant it isn't necessary to have human interface guidelines which obviously isn't the case.
Not that this has anything to do with Amiga.
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strobe wrote:
I don't mind developing with Cocoa. I love Objective-C. However I do not like the behavior of Cocoa apps. Furthermore a lot of former NeXT-heads don't seem to have a clue when it comes to human interface design. I think one mistake NeXT made was thinking that high-level API abstraction meant it isn't necessary to have human interface guidelines which obviously isn't the case.
Not that this has anything to do with Amiga.
I agree 100%. I still believe the best strategy would have been to develop OS 4 for multiplatform use to expose it to a larger testbed and finally far more potential users.
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mips_proc wrote:
strobe you dont get it...Amiga I have found isnt about wether or not something excists, how long it will take to excist, if its any good or not, if it's hardware sucks, if its general policy stinks, or wether or not you even like the end result of it.
Amiga is about one thing... the 'NAME" Amiga...it isnt about.
Quality
Stability
Applications
Product Support
Service
Logic
Wisdom
or anything else even slightly related to it... Amiga zealots even the ones zealot for the OS have gone into 'Name' lovers these days...Thats why I'm getting Pegasos/MOS .
Well for me, thats a part of it, cause i havnt used an Amiga in 4-5 years. I dont have my A1200 anymore.
But the biggest thing that has me buying Amiga before MorphOS is the DE. I see where Amgia Inc are going with this, as anyone could with half a brain. Not that im saying you dont.
Im waiting for a Universal OS. Thatis, an OS that will run on any hardware with very little effort from the developers. IF AmigaOS can make it to OS5, we wi'll have this.
Ill be waiting a long time, but the possibilies are endless. I think Amiga Inc can do this. They have the vission beyond OS4, they have made it well known, and thats why i want AmigaOS.
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mips_proc wrote:
last word from Ben Hermans was that the 68k emulator was being integrated, and that this would take a few weeks. Without this integrated, they can't run OS4 on PPC hardware
What your saying then is that OS4 is entirely 68K then?... if it where 'all' 68K (workbench and all) then you might as well run Amithlon because the big E world is what the entire OS would be then...
I had thought OS4 like MorphOS was going to be a native PPC OS (useing this native EXEC kernel in AOS's case) and that a 68K emulation layer of sorts was going to be implimented to allow old apps to run.
If i had known that they NEEDED this 68K Layer to even boot the OS i'd of thought less of it from the beginning even.
But thats pretty pathetic if it is true.
I agree though... whats FUD about AOS4...
It dosent excist yet and A1 dosent run it...so I dont think there is anything we can really say about it except that it's going to have some catching up to do if it takes them a whole year more to get it on PPC and shipped to the users.
You constantly comparing OS4 to MorphOS. In terms of development, the MorphOS team have had a lot longer than the AmigaOS team. Hyperion have dont a great job, in many places re-writing the kernel and other parts of the system because of all the ASM in places.
These guys deserve only credit.
Why cant you all stop your constant whining, and stop trying to think you've all got a better system than the others. One is AmigaOS, the other is an AmigaOS clone. Bets are, they'll both run like AmigaOS too.
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lets all start a new thread "Playstation 3 Vs Xbox" :)
I get your smiley, but I just want to make a point based on that (the game console thing). When it comes to game consoles (primarly PSX2 vs X-box) there has been a great deal of focus on technical specifications. In some specifications the PSX2 has won, in others (most?) the X-box has won. But which gamer jerks off to tech specs? I made a post here some days ago (Is there a future for Amiga computers? (http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3739&forum=1&20)) that dealt with 'core product'. That is - why are the customer's really buying this product?
Well, when speaking of game consoles, how about talking about games instead of tech spec's?
I like playing games from time to time. I always have. I have a PSX2, and by the time I bought it, the x-box was not released yet, but I knew about it. But what made up my decision about getting a PSX2 was the following:
The latest versions of: Grand Turismo, SSX, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, and Metal Gear Solid.
The above were the *only* reasons to my purchase of the PSX2. Well, add Collin McRae (spelling?) Rally to that list. I don't know if the above titles are available for x-box today (I believe that Sony owns the right to at least some of them), but they weren't at the time when I bought my Playstation2.
The point: Useability. If I want to use something that is only available on a certain platform, it doesn't matter if that platform has slighter lower technical specs than the competing solutions that might have higher specs but lacks those important key features.
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GGS wrote:
Well, lot of discussions here... :-)
As for showing AmigaOne running, this site from the Gothenburg event offer quite many picturs, and some smaller videos;
http://www.amigbg.com
Enjoy :-)
Have had a look at those pics... strange I still had
to see them... maybe just missed them.
Anway found some photo galleries, one pointing
to this link:
http://nbache.frip.dk/AOneGBG-2002/
On that page Slide 18 caption says:
"18: Ole-Egil demonstrating his machine."
Ole-Egil: are you the one with the black shirt,
red beard/shaved head??
Anyway am glad to meet one of the most
interesting writers here! Keep up the good
work you are doing on the AmigaOne.
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wonea wrote:
AmigaONE or Pegasos? Which one? I'm tempted by the AmigaONE motherboard, but the Pegasos looks so good! Are Amiga Inc delaying the OS to write drivers?
For me it will be AmigaOne, hopefully XE if it won't
take too long to come out...
Just I don't understand how somebody can claim
that AmigaOne is surpassed hardware while
Pegasos is innovative/futurible hardware: it's
obviuos they are almost identical, and anyway
in the same class of hardware.
Yes the Pegasos
has the firewire support, but it doesn't make
it innovative at all! Just have a look at a PC magazine
and read any pc board review and you will realize
yourself... not to mention that serialATA and other
interesting new things are coming soon...
So please, on both fields, just don't say "my board
is better then yours"... that's plain not true!
And btw nobody force you to buy the other if you
don't want to... just buy what you want and let
the others decide for themselves.
Bye
Francesco :-)
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just don't say "my board is better then yours"
I've decided not to get either the A1 or Pegasos because they both suck... Pegasos is definitly the better of the two...maybe because it has a CPU slot..maybe because it has firewire...but certinly because it has a workingt OS.... AOS4 dosent excist yet.
I will say my board is better then yours because I'm running a PC Motherboard :P
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mips_proc wrote:
just don't say "my board is better then yours"
I've decided not to get either the A1 or Pegasos because they both suck... Pegasos is definitly the better of the two...maybe because it has a CPU slot..maybe because it has firewire..
AmigaOne XE has the CPU card as well...
but certinly because it has a workingt OS.... AOS4 dosent excist yet.
Still have to see Pegasos with non-beta version
of MorphOS on sale... but could be wrong and
anyway am not interested in MorphOS...
I will say my board is better then yours because I'm running a PC Motherboard :P
Me too :-P and by the way it works ok with Amithlon..
but a native system is what am waiting for, even
if I still have a "native" system, my A2000-040
since 1987.
Bye
Francesco
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>Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.
Somebody is in for a surprise... ;-)
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amigammc wrote:
>Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.
Somebody is in for a surprise... ;-)
Am getting curious... and would be really happy
to have a good surprise this time :-?
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amigammc wrote:
>Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.
Somebody is in for a surprise... ;-)
I can't say I care all that much about whether AInc is behind or ahead with anything they're doing. I'm not interested in any of their products (AACE and the games they're distributing for it).
The status of Hyperion's and bplan's work is what I suppose most of us here are interested in. It's about damn time for a first release, and it would not be surprising if it happened, or at least a demo, at WoASE.
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As time runs on MorphOS seems to be the most viable. For alor of reasons;
1. Its basically available now
2. Years of testing have already happened, and V1.0 is out the door.
3. Good PR
4. Active application development
5. Vendors selling Pegasos based machines, essential.
6. Fully loaded workbench running in 3.5 seconds! Time to smile.
I loved the Amiga, but don't own one anymore. However Pegasos/MorphOS is first glimmer of life I've seen in a long time. A pegasos based machine will be my choice.
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It's about damn time for a first release, and it would not be surprising if it happened, or at least a demo, at WoASE.
I for one would be flabbergasted if they demontrated AOS4 running on new hardware. Heck, I would be surprised if they ran it on a A4000 and then let people play with it. If anything is to be demontrated it'll be behind the velvet rope.
Not that I wouldn't be pleasantly flabbergasted.
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They will BOTH be at woase so I cant see AI/Hyperion/Thendic/Bplan getting away with pulling any "fast ones" on us.
Either way......
It "Should" be interesting.
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I loved the Amiga, but don't own one anymore. However Pegasos/MorphOS is first glimmer of life I've seen in a long time. A pegasos based machine will be my choice.
Yeah, I agree with you. I really think Pegasos and MOS looks nice but there are a few thing that keeps me from going the MOS at this time.
1. I want to test BOTH AOS4 and MOS and compare the two OSes. I dont want to buy MOS and then a few month later AOS4 kick MOS's butt.
2. I want to see what most of the people buy. I dont want to be stuck with a Pegasos and MOS if 99% of all Amiga users buy A1 and AOS4.
3. I will not buy MOS until it comes out of this "secret" BETA-phase. I want to know what I am buying.
Ofcourse all these points hold in the reverse direction if AOS4 is released before MOS.
/W
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1) If MOS is an excellent product why would you wait? Sure, they may say "wait one month" but we all know how long an Amiga month is (usually ends up being infinity).
2) I think most people will buy whichever product is stable first. Anyway the APIs will be similar or identical for the most part so I doubt this will be a problem, software developers want to sell the most titles.
3) BETATESTERII isn't "secret". You don't have to sign an NDA or any other such restriction. Is I understand it, it's just like buying the end product, only earlier. You buy the product from a distributor and you can do whatever you want with it.
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If MOS is an excellent product why would you wait? Sure, they may say "wait one month" but we all know how long an Amiga month is (usually ends up being infinity).
MorphOS is also only in Betatesting yet, just as AmigaOS! So when AmigaOS is an excellent product, why would you wait???
You also need to wait to get MorphOS, if you are not going to betatest, just like AmigaOS!!!
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The situation is not the same. The AmigaOS beta test is closed, BETATESTERII is more like a pre-release.
Basically you don't sign any papers. You just walk to your local dealer and buy it. It's the same as buying the full product except it isn't the 'release version' yet.
So in spite of you using a lot of exclamation marks, your claim that the situation is analogous is dead wrong.
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Noone will EVER build a 3-CPU-system, cos it just doesn't make any sense.
Kronos
Here is a message from Realtech that Be Inc. Did make a 3-processor capable system. -david (it's from the PC demo group Realtech. the message is old, but it shows this could have been done)
I wonder if Amiga will be "more than a memory?"
"More than a memory" (Mas que un recuerdo)
by Multivac of Melancholy Daniel Rodriguez Herrera
multivac@ctv.es C/Ecuador 9, 1§B
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/multivac 28220 Majadahonda (Madrid)
Spain
Length: 2:28
12 (20) channels
Finished at 02/22/97
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Few words about Realtech from EXECOM ...
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Realtech is a demonstration groups (people doing realtime multimedia
presentation).
We form the group in 1994, and we release our first mega demo, 'Megamix' at
the biggest demo-convention, the Assembly, held in Helsinki, Finland.
In the very same year, we improved our 3D engine and realtime a vector demo
called 'Dimension' at the Party IV, the largest demo party in Danemark.
It was 5th best PC demo.
Then we decide to release only 3D demonstrations. In 1995, we broken the
limit of VGA at Assembly 95, releasing the real first Super VGA full screen
3D demonstration 'DX Project' which came 3rd best PC demo.
The SuperVGA become our speciality. At the Wired 95, we released on of the
first VESA 2.00 Super VGA 3D demonstration (CountDown), the first demo which
is ' smooth ever in 1024x768' says the press (came 5th)
At the Party V, we release a HiColor Super VGA demonstration, and an other
SuperVGA demo.
Now, we have really improve our engine, and we are making game. We are
now Realtech VR (VR stands for Virtual Reality).
We also developping for the brain new machine, the BeBox.
It features 2 PowerPC 603 at 66Mhz of 133Mhz, and 8 processors can be mounted
on the machine. A high performance PCI bus, and a lot of external connection,
and a high quality sound card
A demonstration will be release maybe for the Party VI or Assembly'97).
We think that is the real successor of the Amiga.
A home page will be available soon, with more information about us, and
hyperlinks to get our productions.
Best Regards
Execom
MemberList
GUEN ............... Graphist
TOALNKOR ........... Musician
EXECOM ............. Programmer
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1) If MOS is an excellent product why would you wait? Sure, they may say "wait one month" but we all know how long an Amiga month is (usually ends up being infinity).
Yes, but I can wait a few month more. If we havnt seen any progress on AO4 in Q2 2003 then Ill go MOS (If its release in a non beta version).
2) I think most people will buy whichever product is stable first. Anyway the APIs will be similar or identical for the most part so I doubt this will be a problem, software developers want to sell the most titles.
Yes, you "think". I want to know. Therefore I'll wait to see which of the platforms that will be the most popular.
3) BETATESTERII isn't "secret". You don't have to sign an NDA or any other such restriction. Is I understand it, it's just like buying the end product, only earlier. You buy the product from a distributor and you can do whatever you want with it.
No, it is not "buying the end product only earlier". I have been in contact with several people that has bought the Pegasos + MOS 1.0 without NDA. They are all very impressed with the speed and the OS but they also complained about stability and other kinds of troubles. This might be hardware troubles like crapy memory, or bugs in MOS, but the point I am trying to make is that I will not buy a platform that still is called "BETA" by the manufacturer. I think, by calling it "BETA", THENDIC admits that their product isnt good enough to be called "FINAL".
Also, before I buy a product I want to have, on a piece of paper, what features the product has. I know, I can ask a betatester, but I want to have this paper to know what THENDIC promise me. If they havent said anything about its feature I cant complain if something doesnt work the way I think it should.
Who would buy a car without knowing anything about its engine? Can you then complain if it turns out that it only has 15 horsepowers instead of 150?
/W
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The reason why you can talk about the product like that is because it isn't "secret", which was my point. I'm not telling you to to buy the thing, sheesh!
Did I say it was "FINAL"? Then don't fúcking quote "FINAL". You seem to have some pent up rage with somebody OTHER than me.
PS: I don't give a flying fúck what your buying habits are, so you can save your "Also, before I buy a product..." for your mother or spouse. Did I ask for your life history? Good grief.
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It's all a mess... UAE/Aros/Amithlon forever... blahhh
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ITs liek thsi and thes are the facts plain and simple.
Hardly anybody is goging to buy the a1 or 0s4.0
Alot more are goign to buy the Pegasos system ,but not enough to make a yelp in the world of computing. Nobody will notice either .
They will notice Itanium and Amd fighting it out and that is it. :-D :-x
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yeppers
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@The_Editor
All that I have to say is this guy is a totally ass maybe just maybe I will...nah he isnt worth it.
Hey I have an Idea smart ASS
Ill meet You midway and we will see who has the brains
will have some guys as neutral parties standby and watch.(judge). Im ready to go now. Humm main or virginia would be about halfway for me. This isnt about killing you becsause I dont say I do ,second im not that type of person unless provoked.
Nope i have been to alot of linux forums and they agree with me unlike agreeing with you. Rember I belive in the Itnaium and redhat for Itanium and you dont know about either. So where in the hell do you get that idea, oh yeah your using using #### for brains you idiot . so wanna meet and put your money where your mouth is.
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The only thing I hope is that people will
get the *best* product (or the only one available
if the other one is not to be ready before a long
time).
But considering what's happening on ann.lu, etc.
most people just want AmigaOS4, the official
one, and some don't even want to consider the
other one, if both were available.
Althought what matters is THE PRODUCT ITSELF !
MorphOS (I'm better tester) is absolutely usable
now, but still need some work to hunt the remaining
bugs, add some features... But it's usable now,
so why not consider getting it, and then get aos4
for pegasos when it's ready ?
An important point is that the pegasos is designed,
made, etc, by the amiga community, whereas the
amigaone is made by a company which has nothing
to do with the amiga...
Anyway, I will get both OS'es if I can run both
of them on my pegasos b/c all programmers, I'm
sure, have done a ####ing good job, and all
deserve to be rewarded....
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING : COOPERATION !
Make as many things as possible available to
both os'es : we are ONE community, ONE market;
there are two similar OS'es. If one is crap,
drop it. If both are great, don't destroy it
b/c of camps...
The pb is when AOS and MOS will get different
directions (that is to say, when AOS
- hum... - merges with the DE (not likely before
a long time, maybe never as hyperion has nothing
to do with the DE), and when MOS moves out side
of its ABOX.
(morphos still crashes with buggy applications b/c
there is no memory protection inside the ABOX;
and at this time, there's not much outside the ABOX,
but it'll change. AOS 4 is supposed to integrate
a sort of memory protection which is much more
complicated and maybe will break compatibility
b/c AOS wasn't designed to have some...... But it
should instantly prevent programs from crashing...
OK, I'm done :)
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oops,
I meant "I'm beta tester"
and not... "I"m better tester" !!!
I"m not so full of myself !!
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mahen wrote:
oops,
I meant "I'm beta tester"
and not... "I"m better tester" !!!
I"m not so full of myself !!
well cant you get better or are you amiga inc. lol :-D :-P
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@strobe
... You don't have to sign an NDA or any other such restriction. Is I understand it, it's just like buying the end product, only earlier. You buy the product from a distributor and you can do whatever you want with it. ...
I wonder if this is valid:
"
Announcing BETATESTER and Team Betatester!
The time has come for Thendic-France/bplan to start selling machines. We are not going to call it the Pegasos for now.
We are going to call the pre-release version of the Pegasos with the pre-release version of MorphOS for PPC:
BETATESTER. MorphOS may not be ready for regular computer users, but it is ready for developers.
You can purchase a BETATESTER for 1000 Euros (tax not included).
Team Betatester will be composed of people who do/agree to do the following:
1. Purchase a BETATESTER for 1000 Euros (tax not included)
2. Sign an NDA
3. Sign an Agreement not to sell the machine (we will purchase back all machines that need to be sold for any reason).
4. Provide a minimum of two bug reports per week (including negative reports)
until the conclusion of the BETATESTER program (approximately 12 weeks).
5. Agree to test applications as required/time permits
6. Test new peripheral devices including the Thendic Smart Card Reader
(for secure FTP access, online payment and loyalty programs),
the DataPlay disc drive and the ComCam and associated viewing software.
Team Betatester members may also agree/become eligible to port applications to MorphOS
for hire by Thendic-France/bplan. In exchange, Team Betatester members will receive:
1. A MorphOS for PPC v.90 T-shirt
2. A free copy of the commercial release of MorphOS for PPC v1.0 when it is ready.
3. A discount on the Betatester G4 upgrade
4. Access to the Betatester FTP for updates,
fixes, test applications and application releases.
and of course a BETATESTER with
a TWO-YEAR WARRANTY for Hardware!
"
here: http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/betatester-en.htm
and here: http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/betatester.htm
I found some clarifications from morphos-news.de:
"
15-Oct-2002: Betatester Clarifications
Betatester I
Purchased from Thendic-France -- 1000 Euros complete; 650 Euros mainboard with CPU module (both prices less VAT)
Sign NDA and provide at least a bug report a week
Participate on the core testing team
FTP access to latest OS releases and applications
Testing of peripheral devices
First to receive upgrade to G4 package
Betatester II
Purchased from any authorized Distributor or Reseller
Sign up with Betatester II form found on MorphOS v1.0 CD
Access to new releases of OS (major releases not daily/weekly upgrades)
Opportunity to participate in December Conference
Opportunity to port or test applications, develop or test peripherals, create demos or website concepts and win contest prizes of 1000 Euros for each catagory
"
But still it's not clear to me...
- What do one get if one buys the system, where's the full feature list?
- what works on what HW combination?
- what does the "form to be signed" contain?
- Is one allowed to sell the product further? (previously it was not allowed) (could one dare to send the system to phase5 guys hoping one gets money back...)
- what size is the T-shirt ;-)
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THEONE wrote:
@The_Editor
All that I have to say is this guy is a totally ass maybe just maybe I will...nah he isnt worth it.
Hey I have an Idea smart ASS
Ill meet You midway and we will see who has the brains
will have some guys as neutral parties standby and watch.(judge). Im ready to go now. Humm main or virginia would be about halfway for me. This isnt about killing you becsause I dont say I do ,second im not that type of person unless provoked.
Nope i have been to alot of linux forums and they agree with me unlike agreeing with you. Rember I belive in the Itnaium and redhat for Itanium and you dont know about either. So where in the hell do you get that idea, oh yeah your using using #### for brains you idiot . so wanna meet and put your money where your mouth is.
Wtf?? :-o
Some people ... :roll:
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Wtf??
Some people ...
it was directed at The_editor.
If you cant understand that or you cant understand why I did such a thign then dont worry about it.
here it is. I got tired of his bs so I called his bluff which of course is all he has and he knows nothign of anything hence the attack.
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wonea,
AmigaONE or Pegasos?
It's never been a question for me. I knew I'd be getting the A1 from the start. There was never a decision to make with regards to which I'd get.
The decisions come once I have the A1 in my hands. Such as "Radeon 7500, or does the Radeon 9700 work with AOS4.0" and "Soundblaster Live or Soundblaster Audigy 2", and even "regular ATX tower, or mod my own".
AmiGod
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All about the drool-factor.
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It sounds like MorphOS has yet to implement a means of communication across the A-Box border. After all, why else would their user space apps run in A-Box?
IIRC Hyperion has already said AOS4 doesn't have a sandbox for legacy. They defend this position by saying nearly all software will be legacy to begin with, but I don't fancy this trade-off. I remember all too well the hell of 68k compatibility in MacOS versus the joy of Classic (which is a virtual machine). With the former solution 68k and PPC apps could use the same libraries, there is less overhead, and it was easier to implement but old apps can still crash your system. With the latter solution all legacy apps run on a virtual machine running a complete OS then communicate to new apps (clipboard, drag+drop, IPC, networking, etc.) by patching the legacy OS. The disadvantages are the opposite of the former advantages.
I much prefer the sandbox solution even if it takes longer to implement.
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PS: I should have referred to the 68k solution as "mixed mode" or mixed mode manager (in case you're looking for a reference).
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Did I miss something ??
.. IIIIIIIIIII-|_**__
/-----------| cfa |<
+--(0)--------(0)- Let me put your fire out...you hothead...
:-D
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The_Editor wrote:
Did I miss something ??
.. IIIIIIIIIII-|_**__
/-----------| cfa |<
+--(0)--------(0)- Let me put your fire out...you hothead...
:-D
me the hot head you said things which you know nothing of and cant prove anything of and I just called your bluff.I knew i would get a cop out . You with the name calling, and me I shouldnt defend myself against that. Get a life . I did it quite well I might add and your just fumming mad like a little child that you are.
Get a life go back to the petemoss not peter moss stupid- to clarify it the BOGS. dam and you live in the uk you are stupid.
HERE ENDTH THE LESSON
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Name calling ?
Who the hells ..........
Peter Moss ??
I once went to school with a "Stuart Moss", he had a big brother called "Geof Moss",
Are they related to this "mythical" Peter that you are refering to?
I seem to be missing the link !!
oh well .... "All sorts to make a world".
:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o
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> But it [MP] should instantly prevent programs from
> crashing...
Common misconception here, MP does not prevent programs from crashing. If implemented properly, it prevent the OS itself from crashing along the offending program.
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Piru wrote:
> But it [MP] should instantly prevent programs from
> crashing...
Common misconception here, MP does not prevent programs from crashing. If implemented properly, it prevent the OS itself from crashing along the offending program.
actaully its a lay over for oses which are really dos shells. If you have a good os you dont need it.
in either case an added advantage
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> actaully its a lay over for oses which are really dos shells. If you have a good os you dont need it.
> in either case an added advantage
I'm sorry, but I thought it was a mechanism for programs (such as for example OS components) to protect the memory they are using. This would prevent poorly programmed software from overwriting or otherwise tampering with parts of memory used by the OS (or other programs using MP). To me, this sounds vastly useful, as poorly programmed software will always exist, and this scheme would prevent one such program from bringing down other applications or, indeed, the OS itself. Now, you say it is redundant in a good OS. In that case, I have completely misunderstood what MP is, and would very much like to hear the proper explanation.
Kay
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Well, at least I know what the OUTSIDE of my A1-to-be looks like:
(http://www.anythingamiga.com/usrimage/cat11.jpg)
Its BLACK! :hammer:
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that is where it was started and why it was started in and for windows shells. thats it in a nutshell
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lets
vortexau wrote:
Well, at least I know what the OUTSIDE of my A1-to-be looks like:
(http://www.anythingamiga.com/usrimage/cat11.jpg)
Its BLACK! :hammer:
lets see thats a pc case nothign special about that case in fact i can seel it to you fro 50 us dollars. As for tthe other forum, Why doesnt A1 have custom chispets becasue 1 they are stupid second its a pc clone and a poor one at that.
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@theone (nice mag that ;-)).
Either English is not your first language OR you haven't finished any language course in your life. Or you just can't type. Nor put anything sensible on a computer screen.
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THEONE wrote:
me the hot head you said things which you know nothing of and cant prove anything of and I just called your bluff.I knew i would get a cop out . You with the name calling, and me I shouldnt defend myself against that. Get a life . I did it quite well I might add and your just fumming mad like a little child that you are.
Get a life go back to the petemoss not peter moss stupid- to clarify it the BOGS. dam and you live in the uk you are stupid.
HERE ENDTH THE LESSON
As I stated in the PPC 970 thread you are thick as two short planks and you have proven it again on this thread.
You accuse The_editor (who certainly appears to know a lot more about anything than you) of being a fuming little child, yet the incoherent drivel that you come out with isn't even spelt properly and just accuse him of what he said about you. Just like a child in an argument.
Remember it wasYOU that had that dumb little outburst offering him out in some state in America thinking it was halfway between your house and his? Do you know where England is, you thick little twat?
:-? I believe this smiley was made especially for you to use after every comment you make.
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@strobe
Where did you get this:
"It sounds like MorphOS has yet to implement a means of communication across the A-Box border. After all, why else would their user space apps run in A-Box?"
So they run (almost) everything on the emulator (with new API extensions) box??? I thought MorphOS apps are running on the Q-Box???? What the *ell is going on? Is Ambient also just a GUI of the A-Box emulator... How can the memoryprotection work at all???
(all things that I thought I misunderstood from MorphOS support pages are true after all ....) AAAARGH! MOS sucks! It's not an OS on it's own, it's just damn imitator.
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@ksk
Calm down, geez.
I probably got things mixed up. Probably what happened is the graphical environment was running outside a-box and crashing due to some bugs, then when the environment crashed it took the other apps with it. Similar to any display server when it crashes.
I don't have any insider information. I'm still looking forward to a proper unbiased review of the technology.
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THEONE spewed out:
lets see thats a pc case nothign special about that case in fact i can seel it to you fro 50 us dollars.
I really would prefer that you NOT "seel it" to me for whatever amount of US dollars..... the US-to-AUS exchange rate is, at the present, not too friendly!
and THAT picture doesn't say everything .... the systems to be delivered are to have Ami logos.
and WHAT is wrong with its being "a pc case"? Those cases are unlikely to be certified by Micro4oft (cursed be their name) as to being capable of ejecting, or otherwise damaging, non-x86 mobos that have been mounted inside. Many owners of towered A1200s could verify that!
and: Why doesnt A1 have custom chispets becasue 1 they are stupid second its a pc clone and a poor one at that.
° As to why "doesnt A1 have custom chispets", well they likely wouldn't want chispets(sic), crisps, or even fries custom-or-otherwise in their machines. (Too greasy)
In addition, I would not call it a "pc clone" because it doesn't use any x86 style of cpu, and there never was any intention of doing so!
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@ksk:
So they run (almost) everything on the emulator (with new API extensions) box???
Yes, everything is running inside the A-Box. It's not an "emulator" though, but a PPC-native re-implementation of AmigaOS with integrated 68k emulation for binary compatability with existing AmigaOS 3.x applications.
I thought MorphOS apps are running on the Q-Box????
The only thing that runs on the Q-Box is the A-Box. Nothing else is running on the Q-Box yet.
It is planned (at least it was planned) to do a completely new OS based on the Q-Box (and have the A-Box for backwards compatability). But that's just vaporware at the moment, and they'll be busy with other stuff for quite a while.
What the *ell is going on?
Marketing.
Is Ambient also just a GUI of the A-Box emulator...
Ambient is a Workbench clone, running on MorphOS' A-Box.
Again: A-Box shouldn't be called an emulator. In fact, it's practically a complete OS, just that it runs on top of another OS (the Q-Box). This is a very simplified dexcription, but it should illustrate the implementation.
How can the memoryprotection work at all???
Inside the A-Box there is no memory protection at all, no ressource tracking or other fancy stuff. The kernel that "manages" the A-Box is still good old Exec.library with a few bugfixes.
The Q-Box features memory protection, but that's not useful for anything running in the A-Box (i.e. everything running under MOS at the moment).
(all things that I thought I misunderstood from MorphOS support pages are true after all ....) AAAARGH! MOS sucks! It's not an OS on it's own, it's just damn imitator.
How are you able to judge if MOS sucks if you don't know the actual implementation?
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I hope MorphOS's PPC implimentation isnt as primitive as AOS4's ...this whole 'lets run it all on an emulator' sounds a bit like Amithlon slapped onto PPC.
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> I hope MorphOS's PPC implimentation isnt as primitive as AOS4's ...this whole 'lets run it all on
> an emulator' sounds a bit like Amithlon slapped onto PPC.
Oh, come on, that's not fair. To my understanding, a lot of it is PPC native by now, and certainly all the time critical parts. As far as I understood, the plan was to get everything over to PPC later on. Personally, I'd rather they leave some non-critical components in 68k and get it released ASAP, than make everything PPC native and release it 6 months later. Or even a week later. :-)
Kay
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A-Box sounds like a virtual machine, like Classic.
I was under the impression that MorphOS libraries could be accessed by A-Box apps and Q-Box apps where A-Box apps would all run in one memory space and Q-Box apps would run under separate protected spaces. Thus new applications witten for MorphOS would have memory protection.
Now I'm more confused than ever :-o
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@strobe:
A-Box sounds like a virtual machine, like Classic.
It is, but with one difference: It can not only run "classic" (68k + AmigaOS 3.x) software, but also PPC native software.
I was under the impression that MorphOS libraries could be accessed by A-Box apps and Q-Box apps where A-Box apps would all run in one memory space and Q-Box apps would run under separate protected spaces.
That's correct. But there are no "MorphOS libraries" yet, there are no Q-Box apps yet.
Thus new applications witten for MorphOS would have memory protection.
"New applications for Morphos" are just standard Amiga applications for now. You could compile a 68k version and run it in the A-Box (aswell as on a "real" Amiga). For speed reasons, you obviously compile it for PPC instead. But you *still* run it in the A-Box.
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It is, but with one difference: It can not only run "classic" (68k + AmigaOS 3.x) software, but also PPC native software.
Uh, Classic also runs 68k and PowerPC apps.
That's correct. But there are no "MorphOS libraries" yet, there are no Q-Box apps yet
I was under the impression that they were "MorphOS libraries" and the older apps used an ABI glue to use them, or at the very least there was a full complement of similar API libraries on both environments. Do the A-Box libraries have some kind of ABI which doesn't allow them to run in a protected environment?
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A-One, please. Soon.
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vortexau wrote:
THEONE spewed out: lets see thats a pc case nothign special about that case in fact i can seel it to you fro 50 us dollars.
I really would prefer that you NOT "seel it" to me for whatever amount of US dollars..... the US-to-AUS exchange rate is, at the present, not too friendly!
and THAT picture doesn't say everything .... the systems to be delivered are to have Ami logos.
and WHAT is wrong with its being "a pc case"? Those cases are unlikely to be certified by Micro4oft (cursed be their name) as to being capable of ejecting, or otherwise damaging, non-x86 mobos that have been mounted inside. Many owners of towered A1200s could verify that!
and: Why doesnt A1 have custom chispets becasue 1 they are stupid second its a pc clone and a poor one at that.
° As to why "doesnt A1 have custom chispets", well they likely wouldn't want chispets(sic), crisps, or even fries custom-or-otherwise in their machines. (Too greasy)
In addition, I would not call it a "pc clone" because it doesn't use any x86 style of cpu, and there never was any intention of doing so!
ok ture on the aussie dollar rate. but fro 25cents more put that icon on it. second of all amiga is mickshit.its on bed with mickysoft. Fleccy even admitted to it. they got money from microsoft to survive. so no matter how you look at it hyperion Eytech and enything amig arelated is mickeyshit and isnt worth crap. Plus add to the fact mickysoft has a controling intrest in amiga . not to maek money but to maek sure maiga goes down for good. facts plain and simple. this is exactly how they bpught out others.
it is a pc motherbaord,( northbridge and southbridge archtiecture). that type of architectur invented by motorola in 1945 belive it or not. The Amiga chipsets are advanced to this day . That design Intel is goign to but improrved upon, better chips.,same theology-topology.-Hombre clone.
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@theone
DAM IT it thought you'd left this board after you got busted just making crap up to support the crap you'd said. Why dont you just not bother posting on this board and save the rest of us from having our intelligence insulted by reading your bullsh*t posts. Go talk to your "friends" that ignore and hate you. Twat.