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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Rodney on June 25, 2002, 04:46:04 PM
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"Microsoft wants to change the fundamental architecture of the PC, adding security hardware prior to the release of the next generation of its Windows operating system around 2004, according to a media report and an analyst briefed by the company."
Though this might make an interesting convosation. Now that MS looks at doing this, Amiga and Mac computers wont look any different to people wanting sometype of OS to run on their computers. This should prolly open up the Amiga Community a little more to people developing hardware (if it was really ever that closed).
Sorry, i ment to include the news item (http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/06/24/020624hnpalladium.xml), forgot...
[ Edited by Rodney on 2002/6/26 0:46:57 ]
[ Edited by Rodney on 2002/6/26 0:58:24 ]
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Those bastards!!! They're copying Amiga again!!!
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If this is true, I hope Apple will port OSX to PC.
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Can you provide a link to that news item please.
Interesting! :-o
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GadgetMaster wrote:
Can you provide a link to that news item please.
Try this one: The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25852.html).
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Try this one: The Register.
Thanks for the link.
Hmm ! I wonder if all this digital rights malarky is just a step closer to the Orwellian (http://www.studentsfororwell.org/) Big Brother Theory.
Anyway, Bill G haven't you got enough money already why not give someone else a chance to make it big. :-x
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At the moment I am digging into the world of software licenses. Boy oh boy, we are so much being screwed. Unbelievable what software houses can do to you.
Coder
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Hmm, interesting, I'll have to make sure I get a PC before MS does this. Thx 4 the head up
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While most talk of DRM revolves around music, Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates sees it as more useful for controlling e-mail: Palladium could be used to limit forwarding of messages, or to make them unreadable after a certain time interval has elapsed, the Newsweek report said.
Great, so do I read this that they will be able to stop me from reading my emails after a certain elapsed time? Or stop me from forwarding an email to all my friends because it exceeds the maximum number of people 'they' think i should send too?
Big Brother here we come...
Of course I could just be very paranoid! :lol:
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OK, if Amiga want to put a chip in my computer to prevent almost ( this was NOT a flame bait ) non-existent piracy - Fine!
But when companies like MS tries to pull off a stunt like this...
I don't even want to know how many OEM PC buyers who will have their computers "controlled " like this.
I see an alternate life ahead of me...
Alternate OS's, that is!!! :-)
[ Edited by whabang on 2002/6/25 23:33:00 ]
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Yet another reason to buy A1/OS4.0. At least Amiga's security measures WILL NOT include spyware like XP! XP already marries itself to the hardware. Change a ****ing modem or vieo card and you have to call M$ for permission.
Screw M$! And some of you think $50 is too much for a voucher. Ever seen the price of non-OEM XP? I mean store bought full version XP? Try the $300USD range.
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I could get it for ya for free if ya pay P&P... :-P
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Great, so do I read this that they will be able to stop me from reading my emails after a certain elapsed time?
The way I read it Billy G. just liked the idea so that his secret emails about crushing any competition couldn't be fowarded to the police. Or he could just wrangle the law untill the mails were unreadable.
Pritty stupid thinking here's a few ways around OFTOMH:
1) Cut and Paste
2) Print Out
3) Hack/Crack/Break/"Fix" the little bugger
4) Just got to have it fowarded to one machine withough the little bugger and POW! No security
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Personally I like how it will be shipped "with bugs", and how any bugs will make it unusable.
!! It looks like were all safe !! With MS in charge it will never work :-D :-P
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"As such, Palladium "is a very clever system," Reynolds said. "You can't crack it in the conventional sense."
"Conventional cracking of the technology would be difficult because when an attacker tries to forge or attack the digital signatures used in the authentication component, the nub loses its encryption keys, making the system unable to communicate, he said."
""It's not impossible [to crack]," but it would likely have to be done one machine at a time and in hardware, rather than software, Reynolds said."
Looks as if the console mod chip makers will be looking forward to this then! :-D
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The way I read it Billy G. just liked the idea so that his secret emails about crushing any competition couldn't be fowarded to the police. Or he could just wrangle the law untill the mails were unreadable.
Interestingly, Lotus Notes already has an option to prevent forwarding and expire email after a certain date (I've never tried the "expire" thing so I'm not sure how it works - however I suspect it is advisory rather than trashing the email after that date). As you rightly point out, the forwarding can be resolved by copy & paste (I think printing is blocked, presumably they could block copy&paste as well although it is still active), and "reply with history" still works IIRC - after which you can change the address you are sending to. It is more to suggest to the recipiant that they shouldn't be forwarding the message around, rather than to stop them - there is always a way around something, and a screengrab cannot be stopped :-)
Plus I haven't seen the world collapse through the introduction of this feature, although M$ are likely to implement it in the most annoying way possible.
Chris
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Just another link (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html) that goes with the topic.
And btw, some of these functions are already in XP
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Hi over there,
In my opinion the problem is the ONLY ONE "operating system" for the masses. When you think you are the only who plays you think you can change the "rules". Maybe a good new if we think about people who is tired of the abusive "Micro$oft way of f**ck", and if those people look for other alternatives as GNU/Linux, MacOS... and now the new AmigaOS4 (When?!) the arena gets bigger.
A good new, in my opinion :-D
bAz
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Blomberg wrote:
Just another link (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html) that goes with the topic.
And btw, some of these functions are already in XP
'Trusted computing': This means "you'll have to trust us with root access to your machine, because we sure as hell don't trust you".
Ha. If you try to install some M$ software - take Windows Media Player freggsample - read the EULA first. You'll be told that, in a nutshell, by installing their software you're agreeing to give M$:
1) The right to download stuff to your computer without telling you about it or giving you the chance to refuse;
2) The right to censor content on your computer, and stop some software running (nowhere is the word 'unlicensed' used in connection with this).
Not only do I object to Microsoft having carte blanche to store what they like on my HD (especially considering their abysmal security record), I find the idea of their deciding what I may or may not watch/listen to/read on my computer more than objectionable.
Conclusion? Go alternative! Buy an Amigaone! :-D
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there goes personal privacy on home computers... this is a way for both Microsoft and local governments to spy on you! The next thing you know, the world governments will outlaw all computers except the ones with these security chips and MS Windows installed!
hey it could happen :-D
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Reminds me of a certain South park episode...
Child abductors everywhere!!!!
:-D :-D :-D
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Hmmm, May be you guys should read this (http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/longhorn.asp)
Lifes easy when you have an Amiga
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Its funny how Microsoft tries to market technologies that already hit the market years ago! Of course now I can hear the uneducated Windows users bragging about these features until someone points out that Microsoft was about a decade late on delivering something that was already available on other platforms... :-D
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:-D :-D :-D
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by AmigaMac on 2002/9/17 0:58:48
there goes personal privacy on home computers... this is a way for both Microsoft and local governments to spy on you! The next thing you know, the world governments will outlaw all computers except the ones with these security chips and MS Windows installed!
hey it could happen
I totally agree ... this is downright scary. I'd say he (Mr. Gates) is going for world domination. I was wondering if M$ would ever have the nerve to pull a stunt like this, but I guess that's proven with this. But then again, it is the logical next step in the path of the whole security update business...
Btw, the link I posted earlier, I got from Turrican (http://os.amiga.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1341) over at AmigaOS forums, just to set that straight - don't want to be accused of link-stealing :-)
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Blomberg wrote:
by AmigaMac on 2002/9/17 0:58:48
there goes personal privacy on home computers... this is a way for both Microsoft and local governments to spy on you! The next thing you know, the world governments will outlaw all computers except the ones with these security chips and MS Windows installed!
hey it could happen
I totally agree ... this is downright scary. I'd say he (Mr. Gates) is going for world domination. I was wondering if M$ would ever have the nerve to pull a stunt like this, but I guess that's proven with this. But then again, it is the logical next step in the path of the whole security update business...
Btw, the link I posted earlier, I got from Turrican (http://os.amiga.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1341) over at AmigaOS forums, just to set that straight - don't want to be accused of link-stealing :-)
This could go the other way, and give different OS some leveridge.
I cant believe consumers will swallow this!!
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@ anarchic_teapot,
Not only do I object to Microsoft having carte blanche to store what they like on my HD (especially considering their abysmal security record), I find the idea of their deciding what I may or may not watch/listen to/read on my computer more than objectionable.
Agreed. And all these messages bring back another point I made earlier when people were first talking about this Pallidium thing (it's quite old news, but still controversial). M$ wants to add hardware security because even they know that all of their software is full of bugs and security problems. So, they need the hardware piece to help plug them all !!
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This could go the other way, and give different OS some leveridge.
Well hopefully this will become apparent and other alternatives will glitter and shine beyond Microsoft's fools gold!
:-P
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AmigaMac wrote:
This could go the other way, and give different OS some leveridge.
Well hopefully this will become apparent and other alternatives will glitter and shine beyond Microsoft's fools gold!
We could start now and suggest they watch what happens to their Internet connection when they do a local file search with XP...
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@ anarchic_teapot,
We could start now and suggest they watch what happens to their Internet connection when they do a local file search with XP...
Huh? What happens?
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it for some reason uses all ure bandwidth sendign a lot of data...
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whoops, double post.. delete this one
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Well my point of view, if Mr Bill, do this, and make the new Windows impossible to copy...they´re open new doors to other´s systems and the people wil start looking to alternative Systems, again, and well...it´s just my point of view...
PC´s are good machines...only if they´re running Linux ;-)))
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Well my point of view, if Mr Bill, do this, and make the new Windows impossible to copy...they´re open new doors to other´s systems and the people wil start looking to alternative Systems, again, and well...it´s just my point of view...
PC´s are good machines...only if they´re running Linux ;-)))
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I actually decided to start saving money for a new Amiga when I first read about this.
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All the more reason to buy that G4 board. It may not be as fast as the new x86 hardware, but at least we'll still be able to COMPUTE, without being told what can and cannot live on OUR OWN DAMN computer. Get OS4, get YDL or SuSE PPC, and feel the love my friends. :pint: While the windows users might have fast gaming rigs, we'll still be listening to our mp3's (99% of mine are fair use) and putting whatever the hell we wan't on OUR machines.
Hey wayne, still thing PPC was a big mistake? ;-)
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Can you finally see the point I've been trying to get across now?
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Sorry to dig up an OLD thread. I just got a laptop with a TPM chip. It's supposed to be there to help use bitlocker on Vista enterprise. Is this the chip I need to be avoiding? It appears to be disabled in the BIOS. If I turn it on am I asking for problems?
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Terse wrote:
Sorry to dig up an OLD thread. I just got a laptop with a TPM chip. It's supposed to be there to help use bitlocker on Vista enterprise. Is this the chip I need to be avoiding? It appears to be disabled in the BIOS. If I turn it on am I asking for problems?
If the TPM is off, just be happy :-)
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search this document for "palladium..."
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1086
i wonder if it will dawn why ms are so popular. i wonder what other code names or symbols they use?
http://members.tripod.com/~Diogenes_MacLugh/BGIlluminati.html
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redrumloa wrote:
Yet another reason to buy A1/OS4.0. At least Amiga's security measures WILL NOT include spyware like XP! XP already marries itself to the hardware. Change a ****ing modem or vieo card and you have to call M$ for permission.
Screw M$! And some of you think $50 is too much for a voucher. Ever seen the price of non-OEM XP? I mean store bought full version XP? Try the $300USD range.
You friggin idiot red camp OS4 troll!!
Oh wait, crap, that was me?? :oops: :oops:
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monami wrote:
search this document for "palladium..."
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1086
I began to read it, but I got lost. I'll just keep the TPM off :-)
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do then other link. bill gates and the illuminati conspiracey... scarey stuff.
"a crisis developed that threatened the very foundation of the Illuminati."
"They decided on setting up a small computer company in one of the smaller cities of the United States as a front. That year, Microsoft Corporation was founded."
eeek!
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monami wrote:
do then other link. bill gates and the illuminati conspiracey... scarey stuff.
"a crisis developed that threatened the very foundation of the Illuminati."
"They decided on setting up a small computer company in one of the smaller cities of the United States as a front. That year, Microsoft Corporation was founded."
eeek!
The illuminati can't reach me. I have tin foil covering my wifi router.
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Hi redrumloa,
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whabang wrote:
Reminds me of a certain South park episode...
Child abductors everywhere!!!!
:-D :-D :-D
Yeah, it's the USA government behind it. 416 children, being held for ransom. Even the government is too cheap to PAY the lawyers that they want to use to keep the children they've kidnapped.
Oh and, are your rights being taken away? Do the _children_ decide whether their DNA is tested or not?
And of course the onus is on the MOTHERS who MUST submit to testing to sate the desires of the government.
No test, no refund (of child). Yes, USA government are hostage takers of their own people, yet they can't solve gun or drug crimes. You know, _really_ protecting people.
Democracy and freedom, live on in the USA territories.
(Remember, all of this costly affair was based on a hoax phone call.)
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"The illuminati can't reach me. I have tin foil covering my wifi router."
carefull of foil!!! eeek eeek.
"aluminium is a possible environmental agent contributing to the development of Alzheimer's disease in some people."
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/vob/alzheimers/information/aluminium.htm :crazy:
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The reason why I wouldn't buy one of these newer computers with Digital Rights Management is because of something I read from "Why Molly Wood hates her Zune":
1. The erasing of my server-stored music
At my house, we keep all our MP3s stored on a Media Center PC, which we mount as a networked drive for adding music to portable devices. So, when I first got my Zune, I ripped three CDs using this laptop, then loaded up the MP3 server and painstakingly picked out some 2,000 songs over about a three-hour period. I didn't sync again for a couple of months, because, well, I had all the music, video, and photos I needed--and it actually has pretty impressive battery life, so I hadn't even bothered to plug it in to charge it.
Then, about two weeks ago, I was going on a trip. My Zune's battery had run out, so I plugged it in to charge it to take on the plane with me. Despite my settings in the Zune software not to sync all my music, video, pictures, and podcasts, the Zune started its sync dance.
When it was complete, it gave me this message:
10 items added
2,372 items removed
WHAT!!!???
Yep. The software, in its auto-sync wisdom, removed every single song from the device that was not stored locally on the computer. There was no prompt, there was no "I can't find this" warning like the iTunes Library will sometimes offer. It just decided, out of what I assume was some misguided antipiracy effort, to remove any songs that it couldn't find on my hard drive. What if I were syncing the machine with two different computers with two different music libraries, you ask? Too bad. Zune is in control.
And you know what? I don't like being told what to do. I don't like sitting on a wiped Zune two hours before I'm supposed to leave from the airport. I don't like software that ignores what I think is a pretty specific request for manual syncing, and I don't like device behaviors that assume I am stealing music.
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9924554-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt
Once you give these people control, they delete your files because that is called "Management", "Control" and "Communism".