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Title: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: norseman12 on June 19, 2007, 02:21:01 PM
I just went through some dry runs last night with WinUAE in preperation for my A1200 upgrades and found out that it installs Miami 3.2b... ugh...

So, my options are to stick with "cripple-ware" Miami or dig deep into AmiTCP or another stack.

I am going to be using a serial line to my PC (internet router, of sorts) and getting another ethernet run put in later this summer. (when I can find the time)

Was there ever any hope of getting key files for Miami, now that it is abandonware???
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: SamuraiCrow on June 19, 2007, 02:28:28 PM
No.  I'm afraid not.
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: motorollin on June 19, 2007, 02:33:56 PM
If you get OS3.9 it comes with a full version of Genesis.

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moto
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: jimbo100 on June 19, 2007, 02:44:38 PM
PM sent
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Piru on June 19, 2007, 03:23:11 PM
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If you get OS3.9 it comes with a full version of Genesis.

Which again is unlicensed (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amitcp392.txt) copy.

Haage & Partner really suck behind.
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: JoannaK on June 19, 2007, 03:48:34 PM
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Piru wrote:
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If you get OS3.9 it comes with a full version of Genesis.

Which again is unlicensed (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amitcp392.txt) copy.

Haage & Partner really suck behind.


Yep.. I know couple devs in person and none of them never gave permission (was not even asked) to H&P for selling their goods nor did they ever got any compensation of their code been sold.

It's kinda shame though. People spend quite a lot time with those things.. And it's stolen and sold ..
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: CannonFodder on June 19, 2007, 03:49:14 PM
I thought AmiTCP was GPL, hence the AROS and MorphOS ports? :-?
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Piru on June 19, 2007, 03:59:15 PM
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I thought AmiTCP was GPL, hence the AROS and MorphOS ports?

There is a GPL version of AmiTCP (3.0b2), but it's quite outdated. MOSNet is based on this GPL version.

The MorphOS 1.5/2.0/xyz built-in network stack is based on the latest full AmiTCP/IP. It is properly licensed.
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: CannonFodder on June 19, 2007, 04:30:32 PM
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Piru wrote:
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I thought AmiTCP was GPL, hence the AROS and MorphOS ports?

There is a GPL version of AmiTCP (3.0b2), but it's quite outdated. MOSNet is based on this GPL version.

The MorphOS 1.5/2.0/xyz built-in network stack is based on the latest full AmiTCP/IP. It is properly licensed.


Oh, so it is based on AmiTCP rather than a brandnew stack as some observers claim.
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: CLS2086 on June 19, 2007, 07:50:22 PM
@Piru :   MorphOS 1.5/2.0/xyz   you said too much !!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: scuzzb494 on June 19, 2007, 11:45:47 PM
Hi

Dry runs with an emulator before upgrading your A1200 is a touch confusing to me can you explain...

It is truly a shame that Miami is no longer available to register, but it was never ever offered free, given that the creators wanted paying for their product. The fact that they ceased selling the product doesn`t make it abandonware, as you have obtained something for free which was never intended to be fully distributed that way. I could understand it if they had sold you the product and you had a drive failure or lost the registration documents. You cannot curse the creators who never agreed to give the software out for free. There is only a slight nuisance with the software with a time out, and all the software is on Aminet so you don`t need to install the version off 3.5.

Abandonware is subjective and a touchy subject with folk like me who have registered versions of Miami, Genesis, Mui, IDEFix etc etc which I regularly get requests to part with the keys etc. Which I guess was the purpose of your mail.

scuzz
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: TiredOLife on June 20, 2007, 12:53:20 AM
Never knew the Genesis on 3.9 was dodgy.
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Jeff on June 20, 2007, 02:55:23 AM
It's a shame that "Roadshow" was never released for 3.x after all the work that was done on it. I remember reading an article written by the developer. He started with source from AmiTCP 3.0b2 I think, and ended up writing most of it from scratch. I think he actually finished it. It's a shame that we'll never see it.

I could be mistaken though. It was years ago that I read about it.

Jeff
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: norseman12 on June 20, 2007, 05:05:18 AM
I would gladdly pay for Miami, would that there was a way to order it.

Abaondonware is that which is no longer able to be acquired legally. Period.


I am kicking myself that I never purchased a copy, way back when...

Same thing for putting down money on an 060 board and high density external drive when I had the chance.


Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: amigadave on June 20, 2007, 08:19:52 AM
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norseman12 wrote:
I would gladdly pay for Miami, would that there was a way to order it.

Abaondonware is that which is no longer able to be acquired legally. Period.


I am kicking myself that I never purchased a copy, way back when...



Yeah, and I am kicking myself for losing the keyfile for my purchased version of Miami that never got installed.  I remember buying Miami Deluxe right as I was getting into using other PC at home and very busy at work.  I sort of got lost in the land of Windows and stopped using my Amigas for a while.  When I came back, I had lost the Miami Deluxe keyfile or key code, or what ever it was that unlocked the program and gave full use of all the features.

I wish I could find it, but not likely. :cry:
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Varthall on June 20, 2007, 10:27:56 AM
Good thing that at least with OS4 the TCP/IP stack issue is solved, finally.

Varthall
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: CannonFodder on June 20, 2007, 10:42:04 AM
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Varthall wrote:
Good thing that at least with OS4 the TCP/IP stack issue is solved, finally.

Varthall


Solved?  As far as I know Hyperion still haven't paid Olaf for it, yet they claimed they would pay him on release of OS4.  Which was in 2004 if you beleive the documents they submitted as evidence in court.

Far from solved I'd say.
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Varthall on June 20, 2007, 11:12:45 AM
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CannonFodder wrote:
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Varthall wrote:
Good thing that at least with OS4 the TCP/IP stack issue is solved, finally.

Varthall


Solved?  As far as I know Hyperion still haven't paid Olaf for it, yet they claimed they would pay him on release of OS4.  Which was in 2004 if you beleive the documents they submitted as evidence in court.

Far from solved I'd say.

Groan. Can anybody else confirm this? There must be some sort of curse on TCP/IP stacks on Amiga  :-o

Varthall
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: CannonFodder on June 20, 2007, 11:31:04 AM
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Varthall wrote:
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CannonFodder wrote:
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Varthall wrote:
Good thing that at least with OS4 the TCP/IP stack issue is solved, finally.

Varthall


Solved?  As far as I know Hyperion still haven't paid Olaf for it, yet they claimed they would pay him on release of OS4.  Which was in 2004 if you beleive the documents they submitted as evidence in court.

Far from solved I'd say.

Groan. Can anybody else confirm this? There must be some sort of curse on TCP/IP stacks on Amiga  :-o

Varthall


Just the IP stacks? ;-)
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: LoadWB on June 20, 2007, 01:07:00 PM
Isn't Termite TCP still available from dealers?
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: pjhutch on June 20, 2007, 02:00:43 PM
Genesis on AmigaOS 3.9 may be unlicensed but unlike Miami in 3.5 it is not as crippled as that. As far as I know its practically the full version. I have used it and never came across any thing that was 'crippled' in it.

I do recommmend getting OS 3.9 as its still available unlike other TCP stacks (Termite TCP was done by HiSoft which is no more...).
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Piru on June 20, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
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Genesis on AmigaOS 3.9 may be unlicensed but unlike Miami in 3.5 it is not as crippled as that. As far as I know its practically the full version. I have used it and never came across any thing that was 'crippled' in it.

It's the full version. The license payments were never made, and the transfer of rights to Haage & Partner violated the license agreement, too. In a matter of fact, every sold AmigaOS 3.9 copy contains pirated software (pirated by Haage & Partner).

See http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amitcp392.txt
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Framiga on June 20, 2007, 05:19:24 PM
Piru, while i understand your point you have to understand that we have purchased it along AmigaOS3.9 and we (at least me) didn't know of this issue.

To blame user/s because he is using a "pirated copy of Genesis" it lands nowhere.

Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Piru on June 20, 2007, 05:25:55 PM
@Framiga

Where did I blame the user(s)?

I was even careful to point out that Haage & Partner is the wrongdoer here.

And yes, I'll continue to point to this problem whenever AmigaOS 3.9 included AmiTCP/IP is presented as spanking perfect solution for lack of TCP/IP. Unfortunately it is not.
Title: Re: Didn't realise Os 3.5 didn't include a full copy of Miami...
Post by: Framiga on June 20, 2007, 05:28:19 PM
ah ok then... may i still use my Genesis copy? :-) (joking Piru)