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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: takemehomegrandma on June 22, 2003, 06:50:37 PM
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I was wondering why there are so few posts about the OS4 on tour. It must be the biggest thing this far from the "official" side, but aside from a bunch of screen shots and some show pictures, there has not been much info from the visitors. Why is that? Or have I missed it?
There must be lots of things to report about!
How fast does OS4 feel, how fast does it boot, how stable/prone to crash is it, how does software perform, what software runs on it, what software did they show, etc, etc, etc ...
What did they say during the presentation, estimations of release dates, etc, etc, etc ...
Show reports please! :-)
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AFAIA
A report is going to be posted in this months CAM.
:-D
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The_Editor wrote:
AFAIA
A report is going to be posted in this months CAM.
:-D
Heh, all information filtered through the Information Minister (http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.php?ID=612305277)! :-P
But seriously, I would like these questions to be answered by some of *the visitors*.
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>How fast does OS4 feel
The only report regarding the speed of OS4 I read
was from ppcnux.de. OS4 felt quite slow during
window operations (opening, closing, moving etc)
but that seems to be because the intuition.library
hasn't been ported to PPC yet and OS4 did not have
a JIT at the shows.
>What did they say during the presentation,
>estimations of release dates
CybPPC version end of September. AmigaOne
version maybe end of the year.
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
I was wondering why there are so few posts about the OS4 on tour. It must be the biggest thing this far from the "official" side, but aside from a bunch of screen shots and some show pictures, there has not been much info from the visitors. Why is that? Or have I missed it?
There must be lots of things to report about!
How fast does OS4 feel, how fast does it boot, how stable/prone to crash is it, how does software perform, what software runs on it, what software did they show, etc, etc, etc ...
What did they say during the presentation, estimations of release dates, etc, etc, etc ...
Show reports please! :-)
Perhaps everyone who tried OS4 had to sign an NDA :lol:
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Perhaps everyone who tried OS4 had to sign an NDA
I was at the show in Switzerland. But I have nothing to tell. Its more or less OS3.9 for PPC, like MorphOS is OS3.1 for PPC. Its very slow on the Cyberstorm, but I guess thats because its beta and not everything is ported to PPC-code.
Markus
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Markus_Bieler wrote:
Perhaps everyone who tried OS4 had to sign an NDA
I was at the show in Switzerland. But I have nothing to tell. Its more or less OS3.9 for PPC, like MorphOS is OS3.1 for PPC. Its very slow on the Cyberstorm, but I guess thats because its beta and not everything is ported to PPC-code.
Markus
Thank you! One down, ten to go! :-)
What software did they run? What about stability?
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What software did they run? What about stability?
Afair he (Jürgen Schober from Pontdesign, Austria) runned the OS and nothing moe, but he presented all tools an prgs comming with the OS. But it was not very impressing for me. BUT he mentioned that not all modules are completly compiled for the PPC and it is still beta.
He had to reboot only one time and he said before that he has to do it if he shows this proggy. (Can't remember any more which).
The menues are now transparent andcan be configured to show up where the pointer is.
The presentaion was on a A4000 desktop with Cyberstorm. The rest of the configutation I missed.
He did IMHO a very good presentaion, but wehat can you expect from a presentation of an OS?
I will buy it despite the slownlyness (?correct?) for my A4000T and my Cyberstorm (if I'll ever see my board again, its currenly at DCE :-(.
But I won't buy an Amiga-One.
Markus
(Sorry for the tipmisser but its 00:48 here in basle)
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new report.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/features/index.php?op=r&cat_id=1&rev_id=24&sort_by
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@ Markus_Bieler
Thanks for the info! :-)
Did you get the impression that it is close to a final release version?
To me it sounds like it still is in a pretty early stage; they do not demo any real applications running on the OS, still some essential parts are in 68k, perhaps not quite optimized and fine tuned (hence the slow appearence), the JIT is not there, etc.
I'm sure they will get everything sorted out, the question is how long time it will take. There has been speculation about a CSPPC release in September, but I wonder ...
Anyway, thanks again for the info! :-)
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@ Alkemyst
In summary, what does it say?
(I rather not visit that site, because everytime I do I get a feeling that I support the really ugly moves some months ago from some of the people behind that site (and a certain company in the Amiga community)).
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new report.
OS_4.0 Tour in Basle (http://amigaworld.net/modules/features/index.php?op=r&cat_id=1&rev_id=24&sort_by)
Good report about Basle and the presentation, but [color=993300]too[/color] positiv.
Markus
(I'm leaving now, its 00:54 :-o )
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(I rather not visit this site, because everytime I do I get a feeling that I support the really ugly moves some months ago from some of the people behind this site (and a certain company in the Amiga community)).
Learn to take the rough with the Smooth :-D
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@takemehomegrandma
Did you get the impression that it is close to a final release version?
Jürgen Schober mentioned a releas date around September2003 for the CSPPC and end of year for the Amiga_One.
Markus
(Final words for today. Its 01:01 I have to work today :-( )
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Markus_Bieler wrote:
Good report about Basle and the presentation, but [color=993300]too[/color] positiv.
Otherwise I would have been surprised! ;-)
That's why it's interesting to hear reports from more ordinary users. :-)
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Couple of remarks here: the interpretive emulation reaches speeds of around 68040/40 on a Cyberstorm PPC @ 200 Mhz.
Most modules on the demo are still 68K as we are now putting into place the tools (OS 4 native compiler, source-code conversion tools etc.) to migrate the whole OS to PPC.
Once this is done, I don't expect migration to take more than 2 weeks tops considering the number of developers with a PPC.
This is based on our experience porting SFS, CDFS, cia.resource, timer.device etc. to OS 4 native.
With respect to the JIT, it is ready to be integrated into the system.
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next weekend is os4 on tour in sweden, i will be there.
i will tell ya all when i am back...
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@ HyperionMP
Sounds promising. :-)
So in your opinion, an end-user release for CSPPC in September is plausible?
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I'd say so, yes although I'll be damned if I'd stake my life on it.
You are for instance referring to the fact that no apps running under emulation were shown.
This is a fair comment and I'll ask that some apps are shown next time (I suspect they were not shown because it is not always clear to people that they are running on OS 4 and that the emulation speed is bound to go beyond 060/50 with the JIT).
But whilst we have not run a vast variety of apps, we have tested things like Wordworth, DirOpus 4, PPaint, some games like Colonization, Ibrowse, YAM etc.
The JIT is ready for integration, Almos is doing an OS 4 application launcher, Alex will integrate that into the system.
Meanwhile, we're cleaning up some outstanding bugs and cosmetic issues pending arrival of a full OS 4 native toolchain.
Once that's done, we don't expect that it will take too long for modules to be migrated. We have already migrated some complex ones like SFS or timer.device and those didn't pose any significant issues.
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HyperionMP wrote:
Couple of remarks here: the interpretive emulation reaches speeds of around 68040/40 on a Cyberstorm PPC @ 200 Mhz.
Blimey...That's actually a bit faster than I was expecting for an interpreted emulation :-)
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
Heh, all information filtered through the Information Minister (http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.php?ID=612305277)! :-P
HA!!!! that's great! love that guy! :-D
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Meanwhile, we're cleaning up some outstanding bugs and cosmetic issues pending arrival of a full OS 4 native toolchain.
@HyperionMP
What do you mean by a "toolchain"? A native compiler? So you dont have to compile OS 4.0 stuff under Linux?
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OS 4 native compiler with C runtime library, tools to convert source-code from OS 3.x to OS 4.0 target etc.
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@HyperionMP:
Sounds great! I'm guessing this will be the same set of developer tools that will be available for end-users... any idea how long after OS4 ships will this be available? now that we're so much closer to release date, does a new set of RKMs look more or less likely?
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We'll release everything we have in terms of tools at the time OS 4 comes out.
That includes an easy to install "ixemul" free GCC compiler as Olaf Barthel did his own C runtime library which we have been busy porting to PPC.
Plus all the tools we are doing to migrate source-code, examples to write OS 4 native code (devices, libraries etc.).
A full developer CD should come out shortly after OS 4.
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That's great, thanks!
Examples are definitely needed, looking over my copy of "Libraries" I see that it's all 2.1 stuff (I was under the impression there was a 3.0 section, but I now see that it's only on the developer CD)
BTW, Olaf rocks :)
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BTW, Olaf rocks :)
Olaf is the quiet man. Actually, he should be added to the list of people to be interviewed, since he hardly ever comments on-line.
-john