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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: koaftder on June 07, 2007, 12:23:37 AM
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I made a buck writing some code for PalmOS. I'll never make a dollar writing something for AOS.
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With that attitude there's no arguing with you.
Write something some people might want to pay for and you might make a buck. :-D
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ajlwalker wrote:
With that attitude there's no arguing with you.
Write something some people might want to pay for and you might make a buck. :-D
I did, just not for AOS. Nobody can buy AOS, thats why I can't make a dollar on that platform.
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I would pay if you coded something good :-P
There are still people who own amigas you see.. You will probably not get rich or even make a living out of it, but you will definitely earn a few bucks.
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Yeah if it is fun or productive for Amiga users, you can make money using shareware and stuff.
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Nah, I paid $$ for Amiga Explorer.
There are a ton of things for the Amiga that people would pay for.
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vic20owner wrote:
Nah, I paid $$ for Amiga Explorer.
There are a ton of things for the Amiga that people would pay for.
If new apps/games were developed for the Vic20, would you buy them? :-D
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Change your strategy, I made bucks releasing HellChess. This is also an Amiga program but that remained free of charge. So write software for more platforms.
:-)
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I've written several programs for *nix (GPL), and I'd never even dream of charging money for it.
It benefits the community and gives you Good Karma™.
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Im sure you would if you made something that everyone wants for AOS. look at WHDLoad. They make money when new people register.
Then theres Apex. They are still making money from making Payback for the Amiga as it was that good it was ported to other systems.
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And why everything should be about a buck :) Especially common with US people... cultural difference, which is greatly demonstrated in demoscene :) US coders won't code demos, because it doesn't give a buck :)
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pVC wrote:
And why everything should be about a buck :) Especially common with US people... cultural difference, which is greatly demonstrated in demoscene :) US coders won't code demos, because it doesn't give a buck :)
You may be onto something there. So then the thread title should be: what is sad about koaftder? :-P
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:D
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Darth_X wrote:
vic20owner wrote:
Nah, I paid $$ for Amiga Explorer.
There are a ton of things for the Amiga that people would pay for.
If new apps/games were developed for the Vic20, would you buy them? :-D
New games/apps even hardware are released for the 8-bit MSX computer and people buy it.
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I always ask for PayPal donations for all my software (with the exception of Hively because its based on AHX), but to date have only received one payment.
Never mind. Maybe one day i'll write something people think is worth money ;-)
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What is sad about Amiga
Whats not?
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koaftder wrote:
Nobody can buy AOS, thats why I can't make a dollar on that platform.
The only people making money outta the Amiga these days are the lawyers. :evil:
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Darth_X wrote:
vic20owner wrote:
Nah, I paid $$ for Amiga Explorer.
There are a ton of things for the Amiga that people would pay for.
If new apps/games were developed for the Vic20, would you buy them? :-D
I think there are still a lot more Amiga users that would buy good programs than Vic20 users.
I know that I would gladly buy new programs for the Amigas that I have. If you are only interested in coding for AOS 4.x, then you will be waiting for a long time to make any money. At least 3.9 has thousands of active users that might send a coder some money, if the program is good enough.
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@ PVC
It's not just about making a buck you know, Some people invest a lot of time into these programs/ games and some return on it is nice, also helps fund buying some new hardware/software ect. I donate money to people who develop software and I pay shareware fees for software I like, as I think it shows appreciation to the author and helps encourage further development. Making a little extra spending money should not make someone feel guilty. Besides if coders wanted only to make money they sure as heck wouldn't choose the Amiga platform.
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Im not a programer but support funding them in money or trade as this keeps the amiga alive.We need software to run the hardware.I have traded before for a program which i thougt was a great idea.Money isnt everything but sad to regretably say we do need it.Good luck mate
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@koaftder
do one of the aros bountys and you will earn som cash ;)
look here...
http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/index.php?query=open
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koaftder wrote:
I made a buck writing some code for PalmOS. I'll never make a dollar writing something for AOS.
Unlike PalmOS, AmigaOS is no longer a commercial product, hence any code you write for the Amiga is written for the love of it and to benefit the community, nothing else.
Whats really sad about the Amiga is that there are community members still trying to milk money from it even though the teet dried up long ago, just like Amiga Inc.
NB. My definition of a commercial product may differ from yours. In order for something to be a commercial product, it must be availiable for purchase commercially.
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I'd pay a lot for Firefox 2 (or almost any version of Mozilla) for Amiga/CyberStormPPC w/CyberVision 8mb graphics, but I know that it is only a dream that will never come true.
:cry:
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amigadave wrote:
I'd pay a lot for Firefox 2 (or almost any version of Mozilla) for Amiga/CyberStormPPC w/CyberVision 8mb graphics, but I know that it is only a dream that will never come true.
:cry:
Why should you pay for Firefox when nobody else does?
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adz wrote:
Why should you pay for Firefox when nobody else does?
I think he's talking about paying someone to port it to AmigaOS.
And, no, the dream will unfortunately never come true for classic Amigas. Not even for those equipped with PPC accels.
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skurk wrote:
I think he's talking about paying someone to port it to AmigaOS.
And, no, the dream will unfortunately never come true for classic Amigas. Not even for those equipped with PPC accels.
Being open source, the code is availiable for someone to have a go at porting it right now. Instead, as the OP kindly pointed out, doing so wouldn't generate any money, hence nobody in the community is interested.
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amigadave wrote:
I think there are still a lot more Amiga users that would buy good programs than Vic20 users.
Go here (http://sleepingelephant.com/denial/) and say that. I dares ya! :lol:
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Nah, I paid $$ for Amiga Explorer.
There are a ton of things for the Amiga that people would pay for.
I agree. While there may not be huge numbers of active Amiga users out there any longer, the ones that remain are tenacious and dedicated; and also blessed with a lot of spendable income. People who wantonly and enthusiastically drop $800-900+ without even blinking, on used CyberstormPPC and BlizzardPPC accelerators, are not going to hesitate to pay for quality software when/if it ever becomes available. Guesstimating I'd say there are probably a few thousand "active" Amigans out there. I have no illusions about this but I, for one, would love to see some quality new programs written for the Amiga. And I wouldn't hesitate for a second to buy them, either. Assuming they were available (OS4?).
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If linux hadn't been free, it would be sharing a grave with Interactive Unix
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Boot_WB wrote:
amigadave wrote:
I think there are still a lot more Amiga users that would buy good programs than Vic20 users.
Go here (http://sleepingelephant.com/denial/) and say that. I dares ya! :lol:
Look at their numbers and it speaks for itself. Total members = less than 800, most visitors ever online at the same time 45. The numbers here are much higher than that and there are several other Amiga sites with users that prefer their sites to Amiga.org (I can't understand why?), so there are probably a few hundred Amiga users above the number of visitors/members here.
I would guess that there are probably about 1,500 to 3,500 Amiga users world wide that are interested in buying new, or updated Amiga software.
Not a huge market, but if someone were to code a good program that 90% of the remaining Amiga users would be willing to purchase, the programmer(s) could probably make between $20,000 to $60,000 for their trouble.
The sad thing about the Amiga at the moment is that almost all of our programmers have left to work on Windows programming and some have left to pursue Linux. There are very few programmers working on Amiga specific programs now.
One of the greatest things about the Amiga 20 years ago, was that everyone wanted to write programs for it and there was such a wealth of new programs, commercial, shareware, and freeware available new each month, if not each week. Not all of them were great programs, but the shear number of programs available was astounding and inspiring.
I hope this trend turns around and we get a few more people that start programming for the Amiga, just because it is fun, not for great profits.
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I hope this trend turns around and we get a few more people that start programming for the Amiga, just because it is fun, not for great profits.
Its kind of a spiritual thing at this point... Any effort forthcoming must be based on intrinsic pleasure and, perhaps, earning enough money to pay overhead. :)
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adz wrote:
Being open source, the code is availiable for someone to have a go at porting it right now. Instead, as the OP kindly pointed out, doing so wouldn't generate any money, hence nobody in the community is interested.
Not quite. I'm not donating to such a project, because I know it will be a waste of money. It's literally impossible - FF on AOS just won't work. I'm not going to cite the arguments, just read the other discussions in other threads.
Therefore, the dream will never come true for classic Amigas, as I said in my post.
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You know what's sad? That you'd care so much about money that it would stop you from coding something for the Amiga. Just because a chef cooks all day at work doesn't mean he can't make his own dinner at home and enjoy it. What's to stop you from coding something on the Amiga just for fun in your spare time, while earning money on some more popular platform?
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skurk wrote:
adz wrote:
Being open source, the code is availiable for someone to have a go at porting it right now. Instead, as the OP kindly pointed out, doing so wouldn't generate any money, hence nobody in the community is interested.
Not quite. I'm not donating to such a project, because I know it will be a waste of money. It's literally impossible - FF on AOS just won't work. I'm not going to cite the arguments, just read the other discussions in other threads.
Therefore, the dream will never come true for classic Amigas, as I said in my post.
I can't believe that Firefox cannot be ported to the AmigaOS for Amigas that have an 68060 (or 604e PPC), a graphics card and lots of RAM. It may be slow, or have less features, and it may never be completed because there are not enough talented coders working on such a massive project, but I refuse to believe it cannot be done. If you said that it cannot be done for an A500 w/1mb RAM and ECS graphics, I will gladly join you in that belief.
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Dear Friend:
I have a solution. Make an amiga game...then port it to pc.
(ex. you can make a game in amospro for amiga...then easily port it to darkbasic for pc). This way..you can make an amiga game just for fun..it will be easy to port...and the pc port you can earn some cash.
cheers!!!!
rednova
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adz wrote:
Why should you pay for Firefox when nobody else does?
Because (a) despite 'no one' actually paying for it, mozilla itself has lots of revenues which allow them to pay staff. Sadly Amiga coders aren't amongst their staff, as such no free lunch... (b) because it ain't a bad thing to pay those who actually take their time so that you can enjoy yours...
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What's to stop you from coding something on the Amiga just for fun in your spare time, while earning money on some more popular platform?
Some of you make it as if only the bad guys deserve to get money... :roll:
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I think it is just a perception issue... The Amiga now is essentially a hobbyist platform... Hence, not a huge profit potential just because the user base is smaller and hobbyist oriented. Code for the Amiga because you like the Amiga, if you make some money doing it, more power to you... Look at what Dennis did with Minimig, he doesn't really care if its commercially viable, he is giving the source engineering away for free, if he makes money great, if not great... He did it for the purpose of preserving amiga technology... So that just maybe when all our original hardware fails, we will still have a viable source of amiga technology... Just like people who archive to ADF so the software will still be around... Do it for the love brother, do it for the love... Nuff said...
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Sorry, to dig up this old thread, but as much as i like doing homebrew stuff for obscure platforms, it was the commercial companies that brought these machines to their respective levels of success in their heayday, not the Public Domain scene.
The average Joe bought his Amigas for being able to use Deluxe Paint, to play Turrican, etc.. Most people i knew around the time in the late eighties were not even aware of the existence of the Fish disks.
Given the incredible hypothethical idea of the Amiga having commercial success again, would you scorn Adobe for charging you money for their port of Photoshop to the Amiga? Or Steinberg for Cubase? That would be plain dumb in my view.
It's okay if someone wants to make a buck with coding up something that a lot of people would like to use/play. And they can always choose not to use it anyway, isn't it?
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I'd buy wireless network software for classic Amiga platforms
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skurk wrote:
I've written several programs for *nix (GPL), and I'd never even dream of charging money for it.
It benefits the community and gives you Good Karma™.
Completely agree. I've been using Linux so long now, the idea of selling a program I write seems completely horrible and wrong to me haha. I will buy Commodore 64 or Amiga programs since they (more or less) pre-date the open source movement, but I would never sell a progam I wrote.
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There are lots of sad things. The one thing that is not sad is the large following the system still has all these years afterwards. I think only the Commodore 64 has a larger following.
I think minimig will help a lot. It may be some sort of clone, but it is the closest we have to new hardware and functions a lot like it.
We also have Clone-A underway. I have a lot of faith here - Jens has done a lot of good work in the past!
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@rossi46
I'd buy wireless network software for classic Amiga platforms
http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/prism2
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@amigadave
Not a huge market, but if someone were to code a good program that 90% of the remaining Amiga users would be willing to purchase, the programmer(s) could probably make between $20,000 to $60,000 for their trouble.
Wow you must be mad.. 90%.. what every program did you imagine that you come close to 90%?
The only thing I can think of that comes the closest and that whould be a Full OS upgrade, and this a little to much for a bedroom coder IMO.
Well if I should sugest a project that might make some money, then it whould be Drivers as many as possible.
RWO
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You want to make a buck writing software for the Amiga? Here is where you can make a thousand bucks writing software for the Amiga. And as I understand it, the money has already been collected. It's just waiting for someone to write the code and collect it.
http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/index.php?number=23