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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: kubyx on June 22, 2003, 04:27:30 AM
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I'm just weighing out the facts... Pegasos has Firewire and Digital Audio onboard, but Amiga One doesn't?
Pegasos = ALOT cheaper too.
Can Pegasos run Amiga OS 4 when it is released?
Are there any major differences between the 2 systems?
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Pegasos is no longer in production (to be solved with Peg2 eventually). Pegasos can not, and probably will never run OS4 (Unless BBRV has mind flip and pays dongle fees). AmigaOne boards are rather overpriced, I'm not sure if they do have any real advantages (excepting an eventual port of the true Amiga Operating System)
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The AmigaOne does come with onboard sound now.
If the price and the hardware is what really matters to you then a Pegasos2 is for you.
If Aos4 is what you really want then its the Aone.
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I think Alkemyst summed it up nicely.... although I'd also note MorphOS is pretty decent and apperantly OS4 wont do much that MorphOS cant...
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I think Alkemyst summed it up nicely.... although I'd also note MorphOS is pretty decent and apperantly OS4 wont do much that MorphOS cant...
Are you sure .If you buy an a1 from eyetech dont buy the cpu fan i never and my a1 g4 xe came with it .Pegasos is a very good alternative and morphos is near to an amiga os in use from what i have seen it also is looking good with updates to it going on all the time.Its very fast to boot to.a1 has to use linux at the moment so that might put you off untill os4 comes out. :-D
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I have been away from the amiga computing for 8 years but lately, the whole situation with x86/intel(AMD)/microswimpe has started pissing me off and Im gonna buy a pegasos2 the coming Christmas. This system rocks!
I don't know about amigaone/Os4... I think, as an objective outsider, that the Genesi team has shown more professionalism over this situation and their product is performing better than what OS4 has promised to deliver (and still hasn't).... I spend the whole night comparing the systems and the facts behind the companies, and Genesi/Pegasos/MOS seem to have a clear advantage over amiga, eyetech and hyperion... the only think we can hear from amiga inc. is we WILL do this and we WILL do that, while genesi is quickly developing strong foundations for a succesfull system...
I found my jaw to the floor after playing the video showing MOS booting!:-)
Im definitely attending any upcoming public demonstration of Pegasos and MOS.
pardon my bad English, I come from Greece
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The OS is what makes an Amiga and so Peg/MOS is no alternative to me since I want AmigaOS. I can't agree on the Professionalism with so much FUD originating from them.
Don't know if this is correct any longer but at AmiGBG03 I was told by one of the Peg demo crew that a PegG3/600 could only run 68K apps at about half the speed of a 060/50 with the JIT they had. Feels like a downgrade to me when knowing that I would run a bunch of old software on a new machine.
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Brian how can call something FUD and then a sentance later spread so much FUD?.... it goes against logic and against reality to say it can only run 68K apps at about half the speed of a 50mhz 060...its much faster then that and it should scale with CPU...
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@Brian
a) FUD : On this point Hyperion and AInc are allready in deep sh*** (with Eyetech trailing behind),
and Genesi still has alot to do to come ven close ....
b)"half the speed of a 060" : Well that IS 100% BS, even the non-JIT emu is much faster than
a 060, and the PPC-native adds alot of extra speed to most daily apps. The JIT is talked to
reach about 50-70% of thehost CPU.
It may fit in with the performance of a non-JITed UAE, but that is something all computers
with a PPC-CPU in the 600-1000 mhz-class will have to face (until Bernie releases his
PPC_2_68k-JIT).
The only real difference between AmigaOS(4) and MorphOS is the name, and if names had
matter for me, I would never had bought an Amiga in the 1st place (think abaout Apple or even
AtariSt), but the technology is was allways counted for me, and thats is why I bought the A500
back than and the Peg last year.
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All the pegasos reviewers say that the board is SMOKINGLY fast compared, even with the fastest classic amiga configurations. I think it makes sense too.... about professionalism, the amiga inc. gives the impression of a company ran by two guys in a small office, giving phonecalls to a small computershop (eyetech) regarding a homebrew piece of hardware... even the bundle of their mobo is poor compared with a pegasos which is waaay more attractive (games, t-shirt) and is asking for much less. Just look at how Genesi handled the Atrisia bug matter....
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a) FUD : On this point Hyperion and AInc are allready in deep sh*** (with Eyetech trailing behind),
and Genesi still has alot to do to come ven close ....
Thanks, Mr. Kronos. There was no point in dragging in Hyperion again.
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Don't see how what I said is fud since it was what I was told by the Peg demo dude and as I don't have anything to compare with I will have to take that as true. Might have been missunderstood and what the dude actually answered was 50% of the PPC but I don't know.
And it might be true that MOS and OS4 will be about the same but not in my eyes... I'm not into Amiga for the lightning fast this and that and incredible at the peak of tech this other stuff. I'm with the Amiga for the feeling and the little I've seen of MOS doesn't give me the feeling I get from AmigaOS.
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i can only laugh at this, this is just like amithlon was released , people saying it was 100 times faster than an 060 amiga....
i have tested it and it aint , teoretical yes its faster , but nothing works here for real benchmarks (usage) .. anyway its gotten better lately (last year ++)
then u have the uaE deals , why buy an amiga if u can use uae? as uae allready is so much faster than the 060, well i tried uae for this on a amd2600xp setup , and guess what i wasnt impressed at all...NOT AT ALL..
(speed was OK on maybe 10-15% of the stuff, os usage roxx like in amitlon but still it didnt feel like an amiga besides i hate to have millions of cfg files just so i could run what i do dayly...)
then we have the pegasos deal and its emu, sure it does work but the speed? , if thats running faster than a 060 then u need to wake up! , before it can run faster than a 060 u will need something to run on it..right+++?? and i am not talking about benchmarks etc as they mean nothing when it comes to the software catalogue, its like this.. on my amiga and my friends pc...SYSINFO works , but this doesnt mean i can run any 060 or old software on my setup anyway...now does it?.
sorry for flame but saying that brian was wrong and spreading fud aint a good deal unless u check it for real, anyway did u measure it in mips or mflops? (that it was faster than a 060 in the emu) , anyway i want uae on my amiga (OFCOURE) or an jit emu so that i could run all my x stuff on the new amiga/pegasos but 1 thing is for sure i have tested it and i live not very far away from a pegasos user and i have alot of pc users around me , and the emu's atm is just not interesting atm.
also, to make a emu thats faster than a 060 would also mean that games like slamtilt would run in overdrive, this game was designed for 030 and this still doesnt run "PROPERLY" on an amd2600xp under uae, yes i know...games and prods are designed for special optimization etc.., and this is what i meant...
check MAME emu's for what i am saying, there is no prob in emulaing mame on a pc setup theese days, the mzh is wayyyyy high and so is the mem usage , whats the point in emulating anything if u have to make it 500000 times bigger+??+
sorry i dont get it... i will wait for something specifically optimized , and yeah...thats why i am an amiga user and not an pc user...
cheers (sorry for flame...was trying to force out a point)
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kubyx: profesissionalism???
yes its cheaper , ofcourse it is..it wouldnt have standed a chance unless (like they tried)
anyway PEGASOS is DEAD...finito , now u mustwait for pegasos 2 .... will it die?? ..then u must wait for pegasos 3 ? .. etc..
professionalism must NOT be mixed with genesi at all , take a look at grEXX boards , the stopped this production and closed all support for it after less than 1 year in use, if this is professionlism then i dont know, all i know is that i will never put dime in this commpany again.
is professionlism something that has to be with loyalism or talking/throwing dir in the forums?
i just noticed that the word professionalism has to be changed in the dictionary.
anyway the choice is yours , yes the pegasos is cheaper (BECAUSE ITS DEAD) , firewire doesnt work , sound ...does it work? etc..
anyway pegasos 2 will come , but do u really thrust em to keep making this hw 2 years still after u had bought it? , i wouldnt..
do you really thrust em that this will be 100% bug free hw? ...
if u do this and alot more, buy it ...
beyond that u get mos1.3 which is fairly nice indeed , and it has a emu/jit wich is faster than a 060 68k setup...
i have alot of friends who have choosed this path , i agree with them in many ways ...i do... but
there is some issues that is bothering me alot when it comes to loyalism and usage of money.
i wont buy something that might die just because the vendor/producer dont want to anymore.
(read my old posts before PEGASOS 1 was released to see that i wrote that back then aswell)
anyway good luck with your choice.
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if your going to start slagging Genesi off as non-professional you might go to dictionary.com and look up the definition.
some things the Amiga.inc camp has done dont exactly fall into that catagory...but then again maybe the t-shirts,ceo debacle,auction,etc are all part of some 'bizzaro' world definition of what a pro is...
maybe their what you might call 'fatmouse' pro's... fatmouse dosent make things!...he makes them better!!!.. fatmouse dosent have an office...he makes the officer nicer?... fathouse dosent have a trademark he makes the trademark sparkle? fatmouse dosent have a t-shirt he makes the t-shirt wider? ... that kind of logic maybe?..... spoiling/waffle tactics with a dash of fatmouse and a big checkerball... sounds like a trip to a freak show to me :P
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yeah and why did they release the t-shirt ?? :)
its easy to see what someone is dooing wrong and make them look like a fool, atleast if you have money to waste..
anyway i cant make genesi look worser than they allready do atm.
i am not saying that they wont pick up the speed/pace , that remains to be seed but atm i would rather go for an imac or a pc compared to a pegasos.
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fatmouse dosent make thing bad!, he makes them worse!, fatmouse dosent make pigs fly! he makes them fly higher!... fatmouse dosent make Macs! he makes them more square!.. fatmouse dosent run!, he runs further... <(and on and on and on it goes in the world of mouse logic :) )>
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@lempkee
How about getting a basic clue before you start posting such crap ?
I DID use Amithlon for over 1 year as my main Amiga, and it was much faster than the A4k (060),
even more stable. It did run GoldED, TurboPrint, IBrowse, AWeb, YAM, fxPaint, StormC,
AmigaWriter (oh well ....) ArtEffect and and ...
Same goes for the Pegasos since last october (yes much faster than 060).
Offcourse both won't run HW-dependant games, but Inoone (sane) bought them for that, and
those games won't run on the A1 either (outside UAE that is).
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kronos: and where is the REAL thing here?
ie to use agA or such.
what you are explaining also doesnt have paula etc , look at the comparrisment with slamtilt, thats an good example.
its easy to say its an amiga for u it seems, as you basically use osfriendly stuff only , i use almost ONLY non osfriendly stuff.
stop blabbering about os tools and such, i was talking about AMIGA and what made it an amiga.
anyway yes i agree that YAM and IB etc are faster on pegasos and on amithlon, but theese are also faster in UAE and on AmigaOne with os4 , sorry i dont see your point....at all.
amigaone and pegasos is just as much NOT and amiga by theese terms, only thing that makes me use the a1 is because of os4 , also amithlon was never an option for me....
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@lempkee
If you want old games, stay with your A500/1200 or use UAE.
OS4 won't be any help here (not on the A1 and very likely not even on CS-PPC).
Yes I know someone will come allong to babble about the virtual-addressing, and how it
could be used to intregrate a AA-emu into OS4, but that would need to written 1st (and I
don't see anybody lining up for that task), and will never be as good as the real thing
or even UAE.
And since the topic is AmigaOne vs. Pegasos it would be completly OT to go any
further on that route of discussion.
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Don't use the firewire thing as an argument cause the Amigaone isn't equiped with one, anyway.
I'm just trying to point things out, as an outsider. I haven't been into Amiga computing for 8 years and now Im looking for an alternative platform to get away from the wintel platform..... I guess with the stupidity that's ruling the amiga world, I'll have to stick to my pc....
OK, be a PC person for a while, that's used to companies like Microsoft, AMD and NVidia. Say you are tired with the "commercialism" (oh yeah we've heard that too!) of the wintel platform, and want to investigate about alternative platforms. One day you learn about a revived computer platform called amiga and you find it interesting. You visit the websites and read interviews of the CEOs Bullsh***ng each other. What would you thing? Would you find that professional?
To the outside world professionalism = computers that have a software to run, companies that are paying hardware enginners to fix chipset bugs, lists of software products that are under development, 3d games that look great (Epic) and fancy packages that contain a thousand useless little things that u don't need but it's nice to have for free.
On the other hand, what would you expect someone to think of a company that has to be the one with the most missed deadlines in the computer world?
I'm sure, someone will come up with an argument like "we don't need people who don't know the amiga, who are not dedicated users".... The Amiga will never die, right huh?!?
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Don't use the firewire thing as an argument cause the Amigaone isn't equiped with one, anyway.
I'm just trying to point things out, as an outsider. I haven't been into Amiga computing for 8 years and now Im looking for an alternative platform to get away from the wintel platform..... I guess with the stupidity that's ruling the amiga world, I'll have to stick to my pc....
OK, be a PC person for a while, that's used to companies like Microsoft, AMD and NVidia. Say you are tired with the "commercialism" (oh yeah we've heard that too!) of the wintel platform, and want to investigate about alternative platforms. One day you learn about a revived computer platform called amiga and you find it interesting. You visit the websites and read interviews of the CEOs Bullsh***ng each other. What would you thing? Would you find that professional?
To the outside world professionalism = computers that have a software to run, companies that are paying hardware enginners to fix chipset bugs, lists of software products that are under development, 3d games that look great (Epic) and fancy packages that contain a thousand useless little things that u don't need but it's nice to have for free.
On the other hand, what would you expect someone to think of a company that has to be the one with the most missed deadlines in the computer world?
I'm sure, someone will come up with an argument like "we don't need people who don't know the amiga, who are not dedicated users".... The Amiga will never die, right huh?!?
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my apologies for the double post... I'm so stupid....
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At this point ... I have to ask from original poster did he have any other poin in this than to start yet another pointless flamefest.. (that's what's going on right now)
If there was.. I'm sorry, but it'll wont happen on these forums cause there simply are too many people with way too much free time. And opinions.. oh boy.. Opinions on thngs they have no clue.. ;-)
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i dont personally like pegasos.. becouse
it is not AMIGA!!! and probaply never come to be.
its good if there is some amiga clones, but
if they doesnt run same sofware , what the point???
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Not this sh*t again...
It seems one can't come here anymore without some utterly pointless Peg v A1 / MOS v OS4 slagfest going on.
Would one of the moderators be so kind as to can this thread?
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first of all
kronos: yes this is why i will use my real amiGA 1200 for all my oldskool needs.
and if u read the earlier statements this was some of the things i was arguementing about , someone said that the amithlon etc was 10000 times faster or whatever than a real 060.
i measure it by amiga standards and on amiga software , so in that case special custom games and demos etc. anyway i hear ya.
van_M. : the firewire issue , when it came around everyone said, BUT THE a1 doesnt have firewire, its crap..so i will get the pegasos.
WHAT they didnt know is, you can ADD any new soundcard to the a1 and u will get firewire from there , positions like this is endless.
anyway i am going the OS4 way and i did that very early , i dont regret it and i never will (like when i choosed to stay on amiga all over theese years.)
anyway i have friends who have pegasos's they are still my friends after they got one , but i have told em so many times , dont come to me and whine if 1. os4 wont be for it , 2. if your hw gets faulty and u sent it to genesi for repairs and nothing happend. 3. if you get wrongfully information trough dubious generals in dubious companies with dubious intentions.
sorry but i really dont like genesi , MOS is a nice idea, i like it and it works ...abit unstable atm but its better than anything else for the so called amigappc kernels atm (warpup / powerup and mos) .
also the mos creators are nice people but that doesnt mean that the actual company who make the hw is liable, now does it? , i bought a grexx from dce in feb 2002 , it was a DOA .. still not got it returned , so please SPARE me from the DCE poltics that they have changed etc.
sloxa:
i agree with you on that , the os can be for seperate systems and the software for all systems, errmmm doesnt that sound ABIT weird?
sorry but i dont see this happen, just look at the time when atari and amiga was battling for the throne.
Anyway i hope that mos will stay on pegasos and aos4 to stay on A1 , and software developers will develop specific versions for each os , as that will show which one is the best atm etc, but that wont happen as the market is too small and will have to release as many conversions of a game to make a profit.
cheers all
pps:sorry for flame...
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My gosh... Not again.
I'll summarize for the flamers their opinion:
My [insert company here] is much better than your unprofessional, liar company of yours.
And guess what... It's all true :-) Can we stop that?
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Warface, you forgot the "you all suck" quote, or something based around it.
This happens about three times a week here doesn't it? Don't the flamers ever get tired?
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@The "my system/vendor is better than yours" mob...
Have you lot ever looked at your posts after the point where your urge for a bit of one-upmanship has passed? Y'all look like a bunch of delinquent teenage lads arguing over willy sizes.
Every bloody thread connected to amiga ppc hardware / software ultimately gets polluted by your childish need to have a go at your opposite camp.
Why not give it a rest for a day? Or a month. There is so much more to life than Pegasos / AmigaOne, you know.
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@ kubyx
Differences between a) Pegasos, and b) A1:
a) Pegasos is a small micro-ATX motherboard. This means more room for
your creativity when it comes to building a system.
b) The A1 is of the bigger ATX form factor.
a/b) The Pegasos has everything that the A1 have, PLUS an optical
connector for digital audio, and Firewire. The A1 has four PCI
slots (or rather 3+1), but the way that the Articia implements AGP
means that if you use a normal PCI card in this fourth slot, then the
AGP card will deccelerate to 1x speed. The Pegasos did never
include this "fourth" PCI slot (which propably helped reducing the
size of the motherboard).
a/b) The Pegasos is more reasonable priced than the A1.
a) The Pegasos I is no longer manufactured, but there are some in
stock at dealers. If you decide to buy one today, there is a good
chance that you can start playing with it in a day or two (depending
how far you live from the dealer), and in an *Amiga envireonment*, not
only Linux.
b) Eyetech is not exactly flooding the market with A1 motherboards.
A lot of people who ordered their board a year or more ago has still
not recieved it. There are many reasons for this (but *nothing*
Articia related); lack of CPUs, lack of CPU coolers, extensive
testing, etc.
a) On the Pegasos you run MorphOS (an Amiga-like OS) and Linux today.
Many more OSes in the future, but propably *not* OS4 unless Hyperion
or some third party get a license from Amiga Inc.
b) On the A1 you run Linux today. OS4 will be ported to it some time
in the future, but it is going to be released for classic Amigas with
PPC cards first (sometime during the fall?). A completely unqualified
*guess* is that OS4 for the A1 wont be released to end-users on this
side of new years eve.
a) The Pegasos G4 cards (not available until next month) comes with a
7447 CPU of either 1.0GHz, 1.2GHz or 1.3GHz (which one is not
publically known yet). It has been said that there will be no CPU fan
(=equally silent as the G3 version :-)!).
b) The A1 G4 comes with a 7451 CPU @ 800MHz. Uses CPU fan. One of the
reasons for the delays of the A1 has been that Eyetech needed to find
an even stronger cooling solution for their choice of G4.
a) The upcoming Pegasos II (to which Pegasos I users can upgrade) uses
the Marvell Discovery II NorthBridge.
b) The A1 uses the Articia S NorthBridge.
Thats the main differences that pops up in my mind. But perhaps you
should also look at the companies behind the two solutions to
determine which one of them that has a greater chance of success. It
takes more than just hardware and software to make it. Which one has
a future, and why? This is off topic in this thread, but I have
written a lot on this issue here on amiga.org and on ann.lu. Search
back in time a bit!
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i dont personally like pegasos.. becouse
it is not AMIGA!!! and probaply never come to be.
Not to be rude, but who cares? By your same logic, the AmigaOne isn't an Amiga either. It's just someone else's product with the Amiga name slapped on it. Hell, the people who designed it probably never even used an Amiga before.
I don't know about most people, but my love for the Amiga was never only because of the name it had.
its good if there is some amiga clones, but if they doesnt run same sofware , what the point???
Well, it runs most of the software I was using on my A4000 (probably about the same compatibility wise as OS4.) As for the new stuff, who cares? Most titles will be available for both machines.
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then we have the pegasos deal and its emu, sure it does work but the speed? , if thats running faster than a 060 then u need to wake up! , before it can run faster than a 060 u will need something to run on it..right+++??
You mean things like IBrowse, AmIRC, ImageFX or AmigaWriter? Except for ImageFX (which seems to do operations at just about the same speed as both of my 060 Amigas) every application I use runs faster. And this is without the jit emulation.
and i am not talking about benchmarks etc as they mean nothing when it comes to the software catalogue, its like this.. on my amiga and my friends pc...SYSINFO works , but this doesnt mean i can run any 060 or old software on my setup anyway...now does it?
I'll be back in a bit.. I'm sure there was a point you were trying to make, but it seems to have gotten lost. I'm out looking for it.
The software does run. Now.
sorry for flame but saying that brian was wrong and spreading fud aint a good deal unless u check it for real, anyway did u measure it in mips or mflops? (that it was faster than a 060 in the emu)
Seeing how I use one everyday, I don't need a benchmark to know when one of the applications I use runs faster on one machine or another.
anyway i want uae on my amiga (OFCOURE) or an jit emu so that i could run all my x stuff on the new amiga/pegasos but 1 thing is for sure i have tested it and i live not very far away from a pegasos user and i have alot of pc users around me , and the emu's atm is just not interesting atm.
If you aren't impressed with the emulation currently offered, you most likely won't be impressed at all. And yes, this includes the AmigaOne's emulation as well.
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>I was told by one of the Peg demo crew that a
>PegG3/600 could only run 68K apps at about half
>the speed of a 060/50 with the JIT they had.
I guess you misunderstood them. The MorphOS JIT
is already faster than a 060-50MHz on a BlizzPPC
160MHz.
I guess what they said was that the MorphOS JIT
reaches 50-75% of native PPC speed for the 68k
emulation.
See also page 5 of the MorphOS Feature List (http://www.pegasosppc.com/files/MorphOS_FeatureList_20030516.pdf).
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I must agree with severall people here that this is the X-th pointless thread about this topic.
The question asking if OS4 will make it onto the Pegasos is rediculous because it has been answered so many times before, you should know it by now.
It indeed seems that there are too many people here with way too much freetime.
Isn't it about time we all gave it a rest.
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@ Karlos
Maybe Amiga.org ought to have a flame-fest set of templates where users can just fill in the blanks. It would save disk space as well on the server :-)
I'd probably can the thread if it got any more pointless than it already is, but then I'd have to can at least 10 new threads a day :-)
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@mikeymike
I can imagine. OT Glad to see that I managed to stay logged here in whilst reinstalling Windoze :-)
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You __________. I ______You know________, if _________ bothered ______ because _______to ___________, we would of had ________ but instead _____________ unproffesionalism ________ we __________. And theirs doesn't work. ________ T-Shirt ____________ You _______. ______ compatable______. Dick head.
:-P
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Actually, the only post worth mentioning is the one from 'takemehomegrandma'. Now there's an objective comparison. Kudos! At least now I know the differences between an A1 and a Pegasos---not that I have any intention whatsoever of buying one, but still. Can't a moderator HTMLify it and put it on this site somewhere with a big pointer to it? Something like 'So You Think Your A1 Is Better Than My Pegasos, lUs3R!!?'
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pardon my bad English, I come from Greece
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You too? :-)
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Alkis Tsapanidis
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then we have the pegasos deal and its emu, sure it does work but the speed? , if thats running faster than a 060 then u need to wake up! , before it can run faster than a 060 u will need something to run on it..right+++?? and i am not talking about benchmarks etc as they mean nothing when it comes to the software catalogue, its like this.. on my amiga and my friends pc...SYSINFO works , but this doesnt mean i can run any 060 or old software on my setup anyway...now does it?.
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Sorry, all apps I used to run on my Amiga work here...
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2. if your hw gets faulty and u sent it to genesi for repairs and nothing happend. 3. if you get wrongfully information trough dubious generals in dubious companies with dubious intentions.
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Argh... Not again... DO NOT BLAME GENESI FOR DCE'S
PROBLEMS! GENESI != DCE
Pegasos != a DCE product.
Everyone I know, have had brilliant hardware support
from Genesi. The old boards were exchanged on site
with the April2 ones. A person had a problem that
looked like an HW one. BBRV asked him if he
wants to get a new board, but it wasn't an HW prob
at all, it was a TCP/IP configuration one.
BTW, if you have a problem with DCE, any products
there etc, mail bbrv, they WILL help you, probbing
Dellert to fix them.
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All I can say is, if the A1 and OS4 flop horribly, they'll take AInc and their name followers with it. And that can never be a bad thing.
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@ KennyR
I think the appropriate Blackadder response for this is:
"and I hope your mother dies in a freak yachting accident!"
The MorphOS zealots are just as bad as the AmigaOS zealots.
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Hey mikeymike,
How about a poll?
Several options
1) I'm sick of the pointless tit for tat...
2) I love the pointless tit for tat...
3) I'm a Peg/MOS troll
4) I'm a A1/OS4 troll
5) I'm leaving...
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I agree with KennyR about A1/OS4/A.inc but I'd like to note @MikeyMike I disagree about MOS zealots bieng worse :P ... (to make my point I suggest you talk to 'the bus arch troll' )
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by Brian on 2003/6/22 2:22:24
The OS is what makes an Amiga and so Peg/MOS is no alternative to me since I want AmigaOS. I can't agree on the Professionalism with so much FUD originating from them.
Don't know if this is correct any longer but at AmiGBG03 I was told by one of the Peg demo crew that a PegG3/600 could only run 68K apps at about half the speed of a 060/50 with the JIT they had. Feels like a downgrade to me when knowing that I would run a bunch of old software on a new machine.
I can speak from experience here. The Peg1G3/600 runs 68k code faster than any 060 I've ever used, without JIT. Perhaps things have changed over the months.
It certainly is not a downgrade, since I can run 68k stuff, WarpOS stuff, PowerUp stuff, and the growing list of MOS native stuff.
Seems the Genisi team has delivered reality, a system that really works right now, and their customer support is second to none. :-D :-D
I showed off Peggy at a local Amiga User's group two weeks in a row, and the reaction was most impressive. :-) There was an A1/XE at the meeting also, but it could only run Linux. If a comparison is to be made right now, the Pegasos is the clear winner for price, and it's ability to run Amiga software. Maybe the odds will even up a bit when AOS is released for the A1 sometime next year. The club members got to see registered MUI 3.9, registered Poseiden (working), and all sorts of other stuff.
Looking forward to MOS1.4. :-D :-?
David
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@meerschaum
Mikeymike actually wrote 'just as bad', not worse ;-) Talk about getting all defensive :-P
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@Brian
It is absolute BS that Peg runs 68k apps half the speed of 060. I have a 4000T PPC 060 here running alongside the Peg and the Pegasos SMOKES it! The 4000T seems SLOW by comparison in general. For more info see my website and complete review of Pegasos/MOS:
www.magneticsystemsnyc.com
magnetic
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:-o
I had no clue this would turn into such a heated debate, I mean dang... I ask a simple question, and it turns into a flame war.
If anything, the only differences I see between the 2 systems, are OS, and BIOS.
PowerPC is PowerPC.
There I answered my own question. :-)
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kubyx wrote:
If anything, the only differences I see between the 2 systems, are OS, and BIOS.
... and the hardware! Size, features, price ...
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@ kubyx
Yeah, well, now you know. Not to do it again. :-)
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Hi Hans-Jörg
Where did you get that blue pin from :-)
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fatmouse dosent make threads, he makes them flamewars! :P
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@Alkis Tsapanidis (AmiGR)
Hey mate :-)
I'm originally from Veria
We're not very far! Are there any active Amiga users in Thessaloniki? Have u checked out the greek pegasos/Morphos website (http://www.pegasos-hellas.com)? It's quite embarasing with all those spelling mistakes! I wonder who runs it.... and for what reason!
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Will it ever end? .... :roll:
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I'm originally from Veria. We're not very far!
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Yep:-)
Are there any active Amiga users in Thessaloniki?
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Yep. Not a lot of them though, about 10, 15max.
Have u checked out the greek pegasos/Morphos website (http://www.pegasos-hellas.com)? It's quite embarasing with all those spelling mistakes! I wonder who runs it.... and for what reason!
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Yep, I know... It's a guy that wanted to be a Pegasos
reseller. I'm currently making my own site, the
Greek Pegasos User Group one. There are currently
4 Pegasos boards I know about in Greece and that
makes us 6-7 currently plus some that are interested
in the sport:-)
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Have u checked out the greek pegasos/Morphos website (http://www.pegasos-hellas.com)? It's quite embarasing with all those spelling mistakes!
You spelled 'embarrassing' wrong ; }
..I guess if it matters, HELP the guy already! : } I'd proof his pages but I don't know the language. Or I'd send a translator - oh, wait! - that's practically what I'm trying to do right now {AmiGR? ; }
Anyway, I've talked with the site owner and he seems to be a good guy.
I wonder who runs it.... and for what reason!
I think the reason is pretty easy to grasp - even if I don't know Greek {PhiNiXi is supposedly based on three Greek characters - but from me, after all, that's just hearsay ;}
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kubyx wrote:
>Pegasos has Firewire and Digital Audio onboard,
Yes, but no drivers. (yet)
Hopefully there appears those drivers for peg1, even though the focus will go to peg2...
>but Amiga One doesn't?
Right.
No digital audio output (only analog) or firewire.
Both can be added on PCI card, someday.
>Pegasos = ALOT cheaper too.
Right, if you can get your hands on one.
>Can Pegasos run Amiga OS 4 when it is released?
It could. But it can not because Genesi & Hyperion & Amiga Inc have not reached an agreement about that.
>Are there any major differences between the 2 systems?
Peg1 vs A1?
Not much. Peg1 should be slower because of the 100Mhz FSB, but so far it has not been proven in tests. A1 has the extra (fourth) PCI slot (which can not be used fully independently with the AGP card).
Peg1 looks more professional. Better layout, more polished and it already has a native AMigaOS -like OS. etc.
The biggest difference is that Peg1 can not run AOS4.x (and A1 can not run MOS).
And that A1 should now be more available than peg1, but only with Linux.
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greenboy wrote:
Have u checked out the greek pegasos/Morphos website (http://www.pegasos-hellas.com)? It's quite embarasing with all those spelling mistakes!
You spelled 'embarrassing' wrong ; }
..I guess if it matters, HELP the guy already! : } I'd proof his pages but I don't know the language. Or I'd send a translator - oh, wait! - that's practically what I'm trying to do right now {AmiGR? ; }
Anyway, I've talked with the site owner and he seems to be a good guy.
I wonder who runs it.... and for what reason!
I think the reason is pretty easy to grasp - even if I don't know Greek {PhiNiXi is supposedly based on three Greek characters - but from me, after all, that's just hearsay ;}
well sorry mate but as I mentioned before I'm originally from Greece. Greek is my first language. English is my second. The guy who made the greek morphos page is probably (99,9999%) greek so don't try to be smart about my English. On the other hand, if the guy who made the page is non-greek, I apologize!
As for the help you are telling me to offer, I tried to email him (her?) but the address seems to be dead!
Well, the greek Amiga community is ranging from really small to non-existant. So the guy will have to promote the computer to a new, fresh consumer market. This is gonna be hard, really hard! Even Apple isn't doing well in Greece so you know what I'm talking about.
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention, when I'm talkin' of spelling mistakes, I mean the kind of mistakes a 7 year old would do! And of course, typing on a message board and creating a profesional web-page that represents a popular hardware/software developer, isn't of the same significance!
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Van_M,
I wasn't putting you down. Hey, my typing is so bad I have little room to talk anyway. Just joking (as is my usual approach toward life); invariably any post that mentions someone else's spelling has misSTEAKS of its own ; } ...{By the way, you didn't spell 'professional' correctly in your last one ; }
I was, if you look closer, asking if AmiGR might not offer some help. I think the email address [info@pegasos-hellas.com] is valid; I've used it and gotten reply. I see where I can help on the English text too : }
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Peg1 should be slower because of the 100Mhz FSB,
Which one is more correct:
1) the Pegasos *does not have* a 133MHz FSB, or
2) *it does* have a 133MHz FSB but it was set to 100MHz by default for a very good reason?