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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Gulliver on June 02, 2007, 03:34:10 AM
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I allways enjoyed my classic 3.1 severly patched install of amigaOS, but decided to give a go to the last 68k compatible OS for my not so nippy Miggy.
Once my A1200 with 68040 25mhz, 32mb fastram had 3.9 installed, I started to notice several disgusting aspects of the OS that required urgent fixes.
So to start with I:
1-Installed boing bag #1
2-Installed boing bag #2
3-replaced serial.device for the older less buggy one
4-replaced all buggy printer drivers for the original AmigaOS 3.5 ones
Later i realized many semi-official patches could help me fix some of the bugs still remaining:
5-Amigaguide.datatype 45.6
6-Console.device 44.10
7-FastFileSystem 45.14
8-Icon.library 45.4
9-MultiView 45.10
10-RAM-Handler 44.24
11-Rexxsyslib.library 44.2
12-Shell 45.12
13-Workbench.library 45.130
So installed them all, it took a while, but it wasn´t nothing i couldn´t master. But Lord it took time!
Ah! and how could i have forgotten?
14-copied the new 68040.library to LIBS:
15-copied mpega.library to LIBS:
But soon afterwards i realized those last moves were not the most clever:
16-replaced the 68040 libs by the mmu.library package with its own libs
17-replaced mpega.library with a new one which has better precision
Of course i updated the web stuff:
18-replaced Aweb 3.4SE with Aweb 3.5.08 apl
And did some other bit tweaking:
19-replaced the old xadmaster.library, and its associated apps with the most recent ones v12.1a
20-changed the awfully slow performance backdrops (slow for AGA), to others which could cope well and fast with AGA
So yes the system was running, but still there was some sluggish things to correct:
21-replaced slow 3.9 datatypes, gif, jpg, png, etc for the faster Andreas Kleinert ones (AKsomething)
Warp datatypes seemed a better choice, but do you imagine paying $$ to let your amiga display a jpg or gif file?
I dont, i´m sorry.
I needed a reliable backup and cloning disk system, not BRU (OS3.1), by any means:
22-got Abackup 5.22 from Aminet, its so cool!
23-got T.H.E to edit the workbench "tools" menu, and add my own hotkeys, in an OS friendly way
Then i digged for the usual speed-up patches and system hacks:
24-Fblit
26-Iconbefast
27-envhandler
28-NewWPA8
29-rpp
30-taglife
Just when i thought that was it, i remebered retargetable sound
31-installed an updated AHI version
And only then, i felt the AmigaOS 3.9 was nearly adequate...
Adequate enough, to start to fill up my HDD with games and apps!!!
Don´t you feel there should be something like OS 3.91 or whatever for classics? (I mean a bugfixed enhanced 3.9 OS)
What would you add or modify from those 31 steps?
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I'd like to see an unofficial boing bag put together. Either an installer that includes all of the important upgrades or maybe a script that grabs the individual packages from the net.
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I totally agree, in fact i'd prefer some tool like the Amiga counterpart of the windows Nlite program. Its just so cool!
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Amiga Forever 2005.
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Nice work Guliver,
Yes, there should be a preconfigured upgrade patch to help people take advantage of newer code written to enhance OS3.9.
If I had more free time and just a little more confidence in my ability to script such an upgrade program.
Thanks for doing the research and providing the list of your steps. I hope other knowledgeable Amiga users here will review it and make their own recommendations or alteration to your steps, so a consensus can be attained regarding the best upgrades that should be used. :-)
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Gulliver wrote:
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I started to notice several disgusting aspects of the OS that required urgent fixes.
So to start with I:
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Later i realized many semi-official patches could help me fix some of the bugs still remaining:
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Could you please describe the bugs of each item you replaced?
The only problem I encountered when installing OS 3.9 to my A1200/030 and to my A4kPPC was to get the correct CD drivers copied to the emergency boot disk when creating it...
Gulliver wrote:
Warp datatypes seemed a better choice, but do you imagine paying $$ to let your amiga display a jpg or gif file?
While I had to pay for the AK-datatypes when I bought them back in 1997/98, I could download the WarpDatatypes for free from
here (http://www.warpdt.co.uk/).
Interesting it was just the other way round for you...
:-?
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While they're free to download and evaluate, these datatypes are shareware:
"The WarpDT package (WarpJPEG, WarpPNG, WarpTIFF, WarpBMP, WarpPCX, WarpPSD and WarpDTPrefs) is shareware, which means you are expected to register if you find the datatypes useful after an evaluation period of 30 days, and wish to continue using them. "
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It would be good to have all those pieces in one download?
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I have looked inside my OS3.9 CD and can see no Printer Drivers in the OS3.5 side of it.
Where do you get the better Printer OS3.5 drivers from?
Mike.
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Probably from the OS 3.5 CD I guess. Where else ?
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WarpDT is well worth the shareware price. It is still registerable, too.
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Ok fine, I shall attempt to get a OS3.5 CD.
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I'd like to see an unofficial boing bag put together. Either an installer that includes all of the important upgrades or maybe a script that grabs the individual packages from the net.
There already is such an automatic script (included in AmiKit):
(http://amikit.amiga.sk/image/misc/installpatches_1.png)
(http://amikit.amiga.sk/image/misc/installpatches_2.png)
If anyone is interested in adapting the script to the "real" Amiga, just let me know (PM).
All the unofficial OS3.9 patches can be found here (http://www.amikit.amiga.sk/downloads-misc.htm).
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you missed 3 additional patches :
2 from amigaos3.9 FAQ (http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/miscellaneous.html) :
- ShellUpdate
- PatchRAM
the 3rd one is AutoUpdateWB (http://aminet.net/util/wb/AutoUpdateWB.lha)
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AmiKit wrote:
I'd like to see an unofficial boing bag put together. Either an installer that includes all of the important upgrades or maybe a script that grabs the individual packages from the net.
There already is such an automatic script (included in AmiKit):
(http://amikit.amiga.sk/image/misc/installpatches_1.png)
(http://amikit.amiga.sk/image/misc/installpatches_2.png)
If anyone is interested in adapting the script to the "real" Amiga, just let me know (PM).
All the unofficial OS3.9 patches can be found here (http://www.amikit.amiga.sk/downloads-misc.htm).
I am sure I asked you for such a script for "Real Amigas" last year, but the answer was maybe later when you had more time. Do you have more time now? I think that many users would like their high end (at least 68040/40mHz or faster) Classic Amigas to look as good and have all the features you have put together for Amikit. I know that I do!
And thanks again for all the work you have done in putting together Amikit. I have donated and will probably do so again soon. It is a great way to demonstrate the AmigaOS to non-Amiga users that don't know anything about our "Hobby OS".
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@amigadave
I am sure I asked you for such a script for "Real Amigas" last year, but the answer was maybe later when you had more time. Do you have more time now?
Really? Then I must have forgotten about it. I apologize. Ok, let's see what I can do with the script for the real Amigas. Want to be a betastester? :-D
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nice job!
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AmiKit wrote:
@amigadave
I am sure I asked you for such a script for "Real Amigas" last year, but the answer was maybe later when you had more time. Do you have more time now?
Really? Then I must have forgotten about it. I apologize. Ok, let's see what I can do with the script for the real Amigas. Want to be a betastester? :-D
Count me in too, Jan :-D
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I am a wannabe betatester too :-D
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@AmiKit,
ABSOLUTELY!!! I would be glad to test for you, just say the word.
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Sorry, you can only get the printer drivers i mentioned from OS 3.5 CD.
Anyway, lots of printer drivers can be downloaded from www.pcguruplus.com Peter Hutchinson's site
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You are right, i have them intalled, but forgot to add them to the list!
32-ShellUpdate
33-PatchRAM
34-AutoUpdateWB
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I have a C= 3000T with an 060 and a mediator with voodoo5. I would love to beta test an Amikit real Amiga install.
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*BUMP*
what happned here ? Any updates
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AmiKit wrote:
@amigadave
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Want to be a betastester?
:-D
Yes - of course!
Just tell me what to do...
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Instead of writing a script to install seperate packages, why not burn a new CD with the updated files?
Here's how:
1 - copy the 3.9 Cd to somewhere on your HD
2 - extract and merge the BB1 and BB2 files
3 - copy these to (Copy of CD)/OS-Version3.9/Workbench3.9
4 - delete the audio and video files to make space for your own additions
5 - delete help/locale/keyboard files for any languages you don't need/understand
6 - replace the icons if you want (ie. from GlowIcons Collection CD)
7 - update the contributions
8 - replace AWeb and Genesis with MiamiDX and iBrowse
9 - modify the installer script (might be tricky for some)
10 - burn a new CD
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MAGIC FLIGHT (http://vaporizer.org/reviews/magic-flight-launch-box)
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Please count me in as a betatester as well!
Have A1200,3000 & 4000 with very different congifurations, might try everything i can!!
:)
Saludos
Sebastian
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AndrewBell wrote:
Instead of writing a script to install seperate packages, why not burn a new CD with the updated files?
Here's how:
1 - copy the 3.9 Cd to somewhere on your HD
2 - extract and merge the BB1 and BB2 files
3 - copy these to (Copy of CD)/OS-Version3.9/Workbench3.9
4 - delete the audio and video files to make space for your own additions
5 - delete help/locale/keyboard files for any languages you don't need/understand
6 - replace the icons if you want (ie. from GlowIcons Collection CD)
7 - update the contributions
8 - replace AWeb and Genesis with MiamiDX and iBrowse
9 - modify the installer script (might be tricky for some)
10 - burn a new CD[/quote]
But then again this is the same as patching the os it self you still have to make it and fiddle around with script copy etc . so a premade installer script is better "also not everyone use cdrom"[
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adonay wrote:
But then again this is the same as patching the os it self you still have to make it and fiddle around with script copy etc .
You can just copy files into the CD source without modifying the installer script. I chose to do that to learn more about installer scripting, and to make a CD that is as comprehensive as possible while requiring as little user intervention as possible.
so a premade installer script is better
I agree, and there's a premade installer script on the OS3.9 CD.
"also not everyone use cdrom"[
It doesn't matter what you install from, CD or HD, Zip disk or FTP site.
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Cheap Glass Bongs (http://glassbongs.org/)
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This is a GOOD post!
I'd also be interested in that script as well!
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Gulliver wrote:
You are right, i have them intalled, but forgot to add them to the list!
32-ShellUpdate
33-PatchRAM
34-AutoUpdateWB
If we want to get even more insane with the patching:
Systempatch
FText (a "must" with FBlit IMHO)
BlazeWCP
NewCMQ060
Also, a nice FBlit feature is the ability to render icons in fastram (read docs), which also requires WBCtrl. (As an aside, if you use this FBlit feature with the current version of Systempatch, you *might* have to forego certain gfx.library patches to avoid icon trashing.)
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There's already a similar attempt, it's the unofficial BoingBag3, I don't know about its status though:
http://www.monkeyhouse.eclipse.co.uk/amiga/boingbag/ (http://www.monkeyhouse.eclipse.co.uk/amiga/boingbag/)
Varthall
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31 steps to AmigaOS 3.9 usability
Wasn't that an Alfred Hitchcock movie?
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How this project going on with the Live Update for real Miggies?
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Hi
There used to be a tutorial in the tuts section on how to speed up your miggy (piru's exec etc. I believe). Where has that gone and could the contents be added to something like this?
Also, if any more beta testers are needed I'm up for the challenge!
-(e)
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Did any work ever get done on the project to make an installer to upgrade OS3.9? This started as an interesting thread and turned into a long list of wannabe beta testers.
Dan
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I wish someone had made a comprehensive list of all bugs in 3.1/3.5/3.9, documented what they are with example code that trigger them, and references to fixes.
Or perhaps there already is one?
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@ Gulliver
The weblink don`t work:-
http://www.pcguruplus.com/
Mike.
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I have a couple of questions concerning some of the steps listed for upgrading OS3.9.
You stated:
3-replaced serial.device for the older less buggy one
Is the older less buggy one the one from OS3.5? I had never heard this before. Is this common knowledge and a step that most people use?
4-replaced all buggy printer drivers for the original AmigaOS 3.5 ones
Are all of the printer drivers in 3.9 buggy or just a few? If just a few which ones are they?
17-replaced mpega.library with a new one which has better precision
What was the new one that you used?
23-got T.H.E to edit the workbench "tools" menu, and add my own hotkeys, in an OS friendly way
What is this program? Is it public domain or commercial?
Thanks,
Dan :-)
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Gulliver wrote:
Sorry, you can only get the printer drivers i mentioned from OS 3.5 CD.
Anyway, lots of printer drivers can be downloaded from www.pcguruplus.com Peter Hutchinson's site
That link doesn't appear to work
Firefox 2
:-?
Edit: I am definitely interested in this script when I get my new machine :)
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SystemPatch replaces most (if not all) of what TagLIFE, CMQ060, BlazeWCP and NewWPA8 do and more. In addition, it gets along well with FBlit and MMU.library.
Personally, I still prefer BlizKick over the startup-tools provided with MMU.library cause it makes patching the ROM easier (as to things like a new FFS, ram-handler, shell etc.) without having to deal with Load- and ExtractModule and tricky startup-sequence command lines for SetPatch.
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Workbench.library is out of date.. 45.131 is the latest unofficial patch.
.. and the latest shell is 45.27.
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Am I the only one who's missing piru's excellent SmartCrash in this list? And TrueMultiAssigns? And if you're using IDE, you should really patch the scsi.device for that last bit of extra speed using the patches provided in the BlizKick archive.
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@dannyp1
I have a couple of questions concerning some of the steps listed for upgrading OS3.9.
You stated:
3-replaced serial.device for the older less buggy one
Is the older less buggy one the one from OS3.5? I had never heard this before. Is this common knowledge and a step that most people use?
My internet connection failed on A4000 after installing the boing bag with serial.device Version 43.7.
I Just repaired it by reverting to serial.device from the OS3.9 CD Version 43.3.
4-replaced all buggy printer drivers for the original AmigaOS 3.5 ones
Are all of the printer drivers in 3.9 buggy or just a few? If just a few which ones are they?
Actually, this may be about the 2 different OS3.9 CDs, which are described in Varthall's link. One had the erroneous printer drivers, one did not. We've compared these files in irc between the 2 different CDs and can confirm this. I 1st noticed this when I unarc'd the boing bags and found files identical to ones I already had.
Further research showed that these were the printer drivers from the "o.k." OS3.9 CD, which I was fortunate enough to have from the start.
#6
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@Gulliver
It would even be cool if someone maintained a web page with links to the files you mention. It sounds like they would be exactly what I'd like to put on the system initially.
Everything else would be more customized by preferences.
-Nyle
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surely amigasys would be a good option? that actually runs on a real amiga where as amikit does not. although i can't find what comes with it and the installation looks difficult...
http://amigasys.extra.hu/amiga.html
(damn it won't let me download the windows version.)
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I am sorry i made a mistake, Peter Hutchinson´s site is www.pcguru.plus.com. There you can leech some printer drivers.
There is also another set of patches to apply to correct bugs from 3.9 which are not in the Amikit package.
Just go to Aminet and download :
SCSI4344p.lha Patch for 43.43 scsi.device (3.9 BB2)
CacheCDFS4220p.lha Patch for the 42.19 CacheCDFS (3.9)
I also leeched from the Amikit package Amplifier 2.35
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@Nlandas
You are right! someone shoul do web page of this stuff. I am sorry, i can only provide information, i am a tottaly inept person when it comes to building and mantaining websites.
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@Gulliver -
If you take the time to grab your summary and add links to where the files can be downloaded and I'll set up a webpage with the content on it.
You've already got all of the summary in the first post and a few add ons. If you have links to the files - I can add them to the page. At least there would be one page for all of the patches then, even if no one makes an installer script for them. Let me know.
It's not the best site but take my last name and add dot com. I'd be happy to set up a post OS 3.9 update site with your information.
-Nyle Landas
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