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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: paranha on June 02, 2007, 12:40:24 AM
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Yep. Ridicolous prices. Was checking a site for some amiga equipment.
A retailer is still advertising that they have some PPC603 boards for sale. The price was "only" aprox 1000 dollars for it. Guess they sell a lot of those
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If they can sell one of those, the market is really in need for some new hardware
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Have some PPC603E for big box and A1200's and 604E's
(Push in the menu: Amiga, akseleratorkort).
My mistake.... The most expensive card is aprox 1500 USD
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They also appear to have an Amigaone XE-G4 at 7543 NOK (around £800).
Hmmm, the shopping cart just let me order 11 Amigaone motherboards. Perhaps it's not linked up to their stock. :lol:
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Hmmm, the shopping cart just let me order 11 Amigaone motherboards. Perhaps it's not linked up to their stock.
Heck, you can order Coldfire Dragons and SharkPPCs. I don't think the site is actually linked into REALITY. :lol:
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Have to agree on that but something is actually linked to reality.
Some months ago I sent them an email about the A4000T they had listed. They actually had quite a few of them in stock. They auctioned one of those away for an amount far above what I was willing to pay for it a couple of months later.
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Ilwrath wrote:
Heck, you can order Coldfire Dragons and SharkPPCs. I don't think the site is actually linked into REALITY. :lol:
Ilwrath FTW!
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aaah...
the good old DATAKOMPANIET (http://www.datakompaniet.no)...
They were the best (and since 1998 the only) Amiga dealer in Norway. But since 2000 they have not updated their amiga part...
Mostly, they do not sell amiga equipment any more.
And since then they have not updated their Amiga site either.
I am suprised it still is online...
But IF and only IF they can get any hardware (or software for that matter) they will sell it...
But be prepared for LOOOOONG time waiting...
Amigakit is a much better alternative....
(and those prices are dated back into 1998 when they actually sold those products...)
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Talking about outrageous prices:
Ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260123034200&rd=1&rd=1)
I've seen high prices for CSPPCs, but this it the top until now :-)
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Yes, it is indeed odd that their site suggest that they have non existing hardware in stock. I highly doubt they charge you for it if you order one of their non existing hardware though.
I myself have had nothing but good experience with these guys, and they are also quick to respond to mail.
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Mostly, they do not sell amiga equipment any more.
And since then they have not updated their Amiga site either.
They mainly concentrate on PC hardware these days, but they do still sell Amiga stuff and i last bought something from them just last year and they have also added the new Efika to their website.
I think the main problem with the prices are the insane import taxes of Norway, which means it will get alot more expensive than in other countries when you stock up on a handful at each time.
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Outrageous prices?
Check out the current market value of an A3000 in Australia:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320119579395&rd=1&rd=1
Now if the new owner wanted to put a PPC card in there, they are up for around AU$2,000!
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Pah! There's a guy in Vallejo CA after a few months still trying to sell his OS2.1 A3000T for $1000. :roll:
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I have to say that I'm fairly disappointed with the expectation on Amiga pricing. There are far too many people who want more than fair value, and apparently enough people who will pay it.
Leaves people like myself out in the dust. Why pay US$750+ for a CyberStorm PPC when for a bit more I can get a full AOS4-compatible system used, or (I believe) about double for brand spanking new...
Of course, if I can still get a brand spanking new AOS4 system. I guess at this point I'm just waiting for the new hardware to be available. Is it?
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Sorry comrade, you seem to have missed how the market economy works!
"Fair value" is precisely what the market decides - and if you BELIEVE that too many people are selling above fair value, and too many buying above fair value - guess who is wrong?
It ain't the ones buying and selling (ie: the market), it is YOUR expectations of the market.
Why pay US$750? Because there is NO NEW HARDWARE.
There will be NO NEW HARDWARE (of note).
Supply v demand. Supply is small, and dwindling as components die with NO new manufacture and limited repair options.
Demand is growing, as more people rediscover their computing origins and now have the means to obtain that which they could only dream about in their youth.
Get used to it.
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shillard and amiduffer - My Amiga, pc and sound equipment tech just gave me an A3000 which he says is in great shape. Haven't tested it yet, but still,...free. You gotta know the right people for the right price.
be seeing you
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As much as I detest the idea of agreeing with Shillard, he has hit the nail on the head. We have reached a point where Amiga hardware is worth what people are willing to pay, not what you think its worth. I'm not saying I like it, but it's something we are all going to have to accept.
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I wouldn't say what something sells for on Ebay indicates it's "fair market value". I've bought and sold lots of stuff for both far more and far less than it's "fair market value." I recently bought a rare book on Ebay that I have been after for more than a year. It usually sells on Ebay for $35-$40us on Ebay. I paid $17 for it with no sniping--bid a day and a half before the auction end and was delightfully surprised to see an item won email in my inbox. The seller told me he had paid $90 for it on Ebay the year before and was surprised it sold for so little. I recently sold one of my guitars that was appraised at around $1000 for $400. I wasn't that disappointed because I had followed some auctions of this guitar and the bids never went much over $400 in spite of the appraised value and most of the sellers had set their reserve prices and expectations too high and none of them sold. I got a realistic market value for my guitar and since this was about 4 times what I paid for it and I wasn't playing it all, I was satisfied with what I got.
I've seen a lot of high end Amiga gear listed at high prices and relisted several times with no sale--lots of seller fees for Ebay and nothing for the seller. I've also seen items listed for 99 cents go for astounding prices. There is an element of chance and just timing things right that makes things happen on Ebay. 2 days ago I bought a DKB megachip 2000 for $28 buy it now--shipping included. One just sold for $51 this afternoon--shipping not included. I've seen them sell for well over $100. I would say that the $51 is closer to the fair market value and I was just lucky enough to be online when one came up at a below market value. I don't think it would have lasted more than an hour at that price. Sometimes there are the right fools with the right amount of money to spend when you list things. It can favor both buyer and seller. A few months ago, there was an A1200 with a buy it now price of $37 and a minimum bid of 9.99. I quickly clicked on the buy it now button but someone had already put in the minimum bid. I just laughed, you idiot, you just made the seller at least a hundred dollars.
Point being that just because something sells for one price one day, doesn't mean it will sell for the same price the next day. There are always those who will try to manipulate the price and perceived value of an item to their advantage one way or the other and there will always be sellers with high expectations and just due to chance and human nature, they won't always be dissapointed. I was discussing this recently with and acquaintance who has worked as an Auctioneer and he said that live auctions weren't that different from Ebay in this regard and that some days things went real high and that some days there were bargains to be had.
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Far too many people let eBay set the standard. First off, eBay can be manipulated -- it's not legitimate, but it happens. And secondly, there are other markets than eBay. When I see items end for prices higher than dealer pricing, I get a chuckle.
Look back through the forums here and you'll see plenty of Craigslist posts of Amiga equipment for MUCH better than eBay pricing. Granted, some are more as well. Unfortunately, I don't see much on this side of the Mississippi much, all of the good stuff seems to be in Cali.
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pyrre wrote:
the good old DATAKOMPANIET (http://www.datakompaniet.no)...
They were the best (and since 1998 the only) Amiga dealer in Norway. But since 2000 they have not updated their amiga part...
That's true. I live nearby Datakompaniet's store, last time I were there (buying a 10cm A600 IDE cable) they said they've withdrawn from the Amiga market. To their defense, they know a lot about Amiga hardware and are very helpful and friendly.
(Speaking of expensive stuff, how about an PCXT equipped A2000 (http://www.finn.no/finn/bap/object?finnkode=10050104) for €620? [Norwegian text only])
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The level of prices and standard of living in Norway is quite high indeed. I think you would get VAT discounted ("sett eks mva" on the web page)if exporting from Norway? This would be the case when exporting from the EU, and propably in many/most countries where VAT is applied.(?)
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Here's another ridiculous ebay auction price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200114855906&rd=1&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200114855906&rd=1&rd=1)
It looks like this is Lightwave 3d 7 for the Amiga--the seller wasn't clear about this and there is a photo of the floppies with a big number 7 on it. It went for $214.50. The last copy of Lightwave 3d for the Amiga--Toaster free version--I saw on Ebay went for around $70. It was version 5. The same seller had a copy of version 6 for the PC and didn't get his $59 minimum bid. A new sealed copy of Lightwave 3d 9 for the PC can be had on Ebay right now for a $280 right now and there is a copy of version 8 for less. I've bought two A2000 Video Toasters with lightwave 3d included for less.
Personally, if I was going to spend that much money on something Amiga related, I would want some hardware for my money. Software alone wouldn't do it for me. But to each his own and this sort of " I'll have it at any price" attitude favors me as a seller and I want buyers like this--preferably 2 or more bidding against each other--when I list something for sale at auction.
And I wouldn't say this auction is the last word on what a copy of Lightwave 3d for the Amiga is really worth or it's "fair market value". The next seller who tries to sell a copy for $200 minimum bid based on the results of this auction is likely to be disappointed. I should mention that the starting price was 9.99 and the seller didn't seem to have excessive expectations for this auction.
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I just bought 3.1 roms for my A3000,received them yesterday
Have got hold of a brand new A1200 from them aswell
around xmas06
They are very helpfull:-)