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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Raffaele on May 31, 2007, 09:47:26 AM
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(These news are of some days ago but passed unnoticed on Amiga.org)
In a discussion which was presented as exhibit in the court trial that is opposing Amiga Inc. and Hyperion between the CEO of Amiga INc. Bill Mc.Ewen and Nicola Morocutti representative of ACube Systems Italy (http://www.acube-systems.com/eng/index.php), the italian manufacturer revealed that AmigaOS is ready to run on Macintosh hardware.
ACube are also manufacturers of Samantha Sam440EP Motherboard (http://www.sam440.com/eng/index.html).
http://merlancia.us/amiga-hyperion/35-5decmcewenexhibit5show_case_doc.pdf
At page 31-32 of the pdf file.
YES! What you all think it was impossible it is now a reality!
AMIGA OS RUNS ON MACINTOSH PPC! :-o
It has been spotted by Bill himself running on MacMINI PPC clocked at 1.42 GHz (The fastest Amiga ever!).
And if the Moana (this is the codename of the project) will be sold on the market, then we all can purchase cheap PPC Macintosh hardware on EBAY or on second-hand stores, and run AmigaOS on it.
If you have Mac PPC based you are lucky!
Despite the lack of any Amiga Hardware available we could again run AmigaOS and can run it on very good manufactured hardware such as that one from Apple!
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In that discussion mr. Morocutti asked Bill Mc. Ewen to grant to ACube the licence to sell AmigaOS 4.0 bundled with Moana (the program which loads AmigaOS onto Macintosh hardware).
Unfortunately Bill Mc. Ewen wiped out without answering.
Recently Amiga Inc. represented by Bill Mc. Ewen preferred to sue Hyperion in order to get back all licences and source code of AmigaOS 4.0.
We hope that whoever will win the court trial (HYperion or Amiga Inc.) then will decide to grant ACube to licence Moana!
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WARNING!
In another exhibit it has been stated that Friedens have all the plans to let AmigaOS run on CELL Processors.
Cell processors are those CPUS equpping Playstation 3. :roll: ;-)
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Source: Amigaworld.net (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23296&forum=2)
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Amiga General Chat: Amiga OS 4 for Mac Mini?!? (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29466)
Amiga OS Development: AOS4 on MacMini (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29474)
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Whoops! How I couldn't notice it?
But well it was very quickly surpassed by more recent discussions and fall down into the list of threads....
Sorry!
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But will we be able to buy it?
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
But will we be able to buy it?
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moto
if not will we be able to steal it ? :lol:
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AMIGA OS RUNS ON MACINTOSH PPC!
Didn't they say that would be impossible since Apple would not give out information needed to do the port? What's changed since they told everyone that it wasn't possible to do a OS4 port to Macs? Oh yeah, they ran out of Teron mobos to sell with OS4. :lol:
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
AMIGA OS RUNS ON MACINTOSH PPC!
Didn't they say that would be impossible since Apple would not give out information needed to do the port?
Yeah, it's annoying how Apple won't release any information to allow OSs to be ported to run on Mac hardware. A version of Linux for the Mac would be great!
Oh hang on...
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moto
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Get your MacMini now! before the hordes of Amiga enthusiasts snatch them up on eBay, driving the price through the roof.
Oh.. wait.
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dammy wrote:
AMIGA OS RUNS ON MACINTOSH PPC!
Didn't they say that would be impossible since Apple would not give out information needed to do the port? What's changed since they told everyone that it wasn't possible to do a OS4 port to Macs? Oh yeah, they ran out of Teron mobos to sell with OS4. :lol:
Dammy
Read Saimo's answer, post #29:
Thread on amigaworld (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23296&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#381465)
AV's answer, post #48:
Same thread: (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23296&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#381494)
"Indeed this is the case.
The (unfinished) MacMini port was done using the sourcecode from Linux,BSD and Darwin as reference (not a single line of code was copied).
And it wasn't a pretty experience.
The Friedens said it was an hell to do because they knew what the situation was."
Varthall
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countzero wrote:
motorollin wrote:
But will we be able to buy it?
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moto
if not will we be able to steal it ? :lol:
Or at least beta test it! I've got a nice dual G5 PPC mac ready to go...dual 1.8 ghz...now THAT is a fast Amiga!
Bob
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I got a Mac Mini a couple years ago 'cause of all the different OS's I could run on it. It came with Tiger and Panther. I've been predicting OS4 running on Mac for quit some time! ;-) (not holding my breath due to lawsuit though).
What I love about the Mini is the size! Plus you can add all the stackables! Plus, the built in Ethernet, Wireless, Bluetooth, CD-RW/DVD-RW. The PPC version only has 1 RAM slot though and 1GB sticks are somewhat expensive even on Ebay.
I bought a 15" widescreen LCD for it and I use it right at the end if the kitchen table (I have all the cables bundled up real nice so you can hardly see them). It's like a little workstation in the house.
OS4 on my Mac Mini would be the cat's meow!!! That's why I bought one while they were still CHEAP and available! BTW, I had never used a Mac before I got the Mini! Over 20 years as a PC (and C64) user - man, was I frustrated for a while! Also, Amiga emulation has been WAY easier on the Mac than on any of my PC's.
I bought Civilization IV on the cheap a few weeks back when CompUSA was going out of business here in Michigan but can't play it yet 'cause I only have 256 MB of RAM. DOH! The game did let me watch the intro and it was gorgeous!
Here's what would be cool.... OS4 on the Mini running Mac emulation! Or, dual boot. Maybe even boot between OS4, MacOS and Windows. :-D
OK, enough of my morning ramblings... more coffee!
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Didn't they say that would be impossible since Apple would not give out information needed to do the port? What's changed since they told everyone that it wasn't possible to do a OS4 port to Macs? Oh yeah, they ran out of Teron mobos to sell with OS4.
It was pretty funny how long it took for it to sink in with the Freidens that the AmigaOne was history. I remember just a few months ago Thomas was re-enacting Custer's last stand with: "Hardware issues? What hardware issues?"
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dammy wrote:
AMIGA OS RUNS ON MACINTOSH PPC!
Didn't they say that would be impossible since Apple would not give out information needed to do the port?
Yes. But you must thanks italian hacker who have accomplished the quest!
What's changed since they told everyone that it wasn't possible to do a OS4 port to Macs? Oh yeah, they ran out of Teron mobos to sell with OS4. :lol:
Dammy
Well Dammy. It is clear that Acube Systems Italy have spotted the existing Macintosh PPC market enough viable to expand our userbase...
Many amigans who doesn't have AmigaONEs could buy el cheapo EBAY or second-store market Macintosh PPC based.
Many former amigans who left our platform and migrate to Macintosh due to the lack of OS in the past years, or due to the lack of AmigaONE hardware since 2002, now they have the chance to run AmigaOS on their macintoshes.
I posted these news on an italian MAC forums and these were widely accepted with interest and by former amigans with enthusiasm!
The most used comment is: «Che figata!» («How Cool!») :-D
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Yeah, it's annoying how Apple won't release any information to allow OSs to be ported to run on Mac hardware. A version of Linux for the Mac would be great!
Oh hang on...
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moto
There is Yellow Dog Linux from Terrasoft which runs on PPC Macintoshes falwlessly!
And if I remember well they had received in the past direct informations by Apple on how to run it on their machines...
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/
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@Raffaele
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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Thanks for clearing that up Piru :lol:
@Raffaele
Just in case it's not totally clear, I am well aware that Linux exists for the Mac. I was highlighting that this OS was ported with no assistance from Apple, so the excuse that this is the reason for no Mac port of OS4 doesn't wash with me.
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moto
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@Raffaele
It is clear that Acube Systems Italy have spotted the existing Macintosh PPC market enough viable to expand our userbase...
In Amigaland it never really mattered what is "viable" and what is not. With the ongoing lawsuit, it becomes even more irrelevant.
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Given the quality of the ArticaS chipset on the AmigaOne, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mac version of OS4 ran better.
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Would be nice to have OS4 on an PPC Mac. I have an extra PowerMac (G3) that would be just perfect for the job. I would snatch a copy of it up soon as it was available...If it ever became available.
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@Raffaele
The rules of sarcasm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4384734.stm)
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I personally think that a PPC mac port is the only chance os4 has at making any kind of market presence. Don't get me wrong I'm not one of the dreamers who believe the amiga will be anything other than a hobby OS ever again.
What are the reasons that the port was binned?
One of which is probably piracy, that is simple enough to overcome as all "new" macs (g3 blue and white onwards) support usb in the open firmware so it would be simple enough to sell os4 with a usb dongle which would replace the need for the a1's uboot rom.
Another is probably Ainc cant get a premium on custom hardware, well the prices they have specified on the ACK machine probably dont have very high margins in them anyway.
I can personally lay my hands on a load of G4 500 full spec macs right now for under £50 each plus i got a 1.5Ghz ppc mini sat on my desk that would make a great OS4 machine.
So come on A.inc do something for once and licence this port and you never know you might even make some money, I know I'd be ordering several copies.
Gaz
http://www.lincsamiga.org.uk
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by gazgod on 2007/6/1 5:20:58
So come on A.inc do something for once and licence this port and you never know you might even make some money, I know I'd be ordering several copies.
The only way you will see OS4 released is if AI wins in court and gains all source code and object rights away from Hyperion. Hyperion is out of the picture entirely with their contract terminated. AI has taken their Boing Ball home and that is the end of the story for OS4. :horse:
Dammy
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@Piru
You have to consider that Raffaele could already have recognised the irony and that his reply could have been ironic, too. There are different types and levels of irony.
Varthall
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The only way you will see OS4 released is if AI wins in court and gains all source code and object rights away from Hyperion. Hyperion is out of the picture entirely with their contract terminated. AI has taken their Boing Ball home and that is the end of the story for OS4. :horse:
We'll see. I certainly hope that a solution will be found at the end. I'm glad that the development of OS4 is still continuing.
Varthall
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I think we all agree that the best thing in Moana is that it would finally make it possible to have a portable AmigaOS (using a Powerbook).
But I think many days will pass before we will be able to click a "Buy" button :-(
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_yak_ wrote:
But I think many days will pass before we will be able to click a "Buy" button :-(
I honestly can't see us ever been able to press the buy button on this, and I have serious doubts about the ACK systems too.
But I've always have been an optimistic pessimist ie. I look forward to been proved wrong. :lol:
I think all of a.inc's current activity is sabre rattling for the courts and to bolster support for the Kent centre.
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Varthall wrote:
@Piru
You have to consider that Raffaele could already have recognised the irony and that his reply could have been ironic, too. There are different types and levels of irony.
Varthall
Though IMO highly unlikely.
Where ever Raffaele posts he takes himself so seriously and seems to take what people say at face value.
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We'll see. I certainly hope that a solution will be found at the end. I'm glad that the development of OS4 is still continuing.
Contract has been terminated. Even if they get to keep the source code, what are they going to do with it without Amiga related trademarks and logos? :horse:
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Contract has been terminated. Even if they get to keep the source code, what are they going to do with it without Amiga related trademarks and logos? :horse:
They could just rename it, and it would still remain Amiga, since OS4 has been written using the original 3.1 sources.
Varthall
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Give me OS4 :crazy: :crazy: :madashell: :madashell:
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They could just rename it, and it would still remain Amiga, since OS4 has been written using the original 3.1 sources.
So you can just ignore the fact that it's based on Amiga IP?
I'm afraid that will not fly.
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On a lighter note: It's quite hilarious that some have been happy to shoot down MorphOS for just rumours of being based on some 3.1 source code (which it is not, obviosly. Some belgian guy appears to have some serious obsession (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29448)). When it appears OS4 could really be using the IP illegally... it's completely different story, in fact it will be announced as a positive fact. Talk about double standards.
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Varthall wrote:
dammy wrote:
Contract has been terminated. Even if they get to keep the source code, what are they going to do with it without Amiga related trademarks and logos? :horse:
They could just rename it, and it would still remain Amiga, since OS4 has been written using the original 3.1 sources.
Varthall
That would be theft.
Thieves deserve to have their hands cut off.
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Varthall wrote:
@Piru
You have to consider that Raffaele could already have recognised the irony and that his reply could have been ironic, too. There are different types and levels of irony.
Varthall
You have to consider that Piru might have also noticed the irony (at a different level and a different type) in Raffaele's reply and replied with a whole new level of irony (of a different type of course) which you didn't notice. But then again maybe YOU'RE being ironic and I didn't notice.
Sorry that sounds ironic :roll:
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They could just rename it, and it would still remain Amiga, since OS4 has been written using the original 3.1 sources.
So you can just ignore the fact that it's based on Amiga IP? I'm afraid that will not fly.
Hmm, true, Hyperion can own OS4 only in case of Amiga Inc. bankruptcy, if I recall correctly.
On a lighter note: It's quite hilarious that some have been happy to shoot down MorphOS for just rumours of being based on some 3.1 source code (which it is not, obviosly. Some belgian guy appears to have some serious obsession (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29448)). When it appears OS4 could really be using the IP illegally... it's completely different story, in fact it will be announced as a positive fact. Talk about double standards.
Only if it was legal, and at first I thought it could be, but now I remembered what's inside Hyperion's contract. On a related note, YellowTab has done an IP theft with Zeta, and they have been lucky Palm hasn't sued them while Zeta was still available commercially.
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Hmm, true, Hyperion can own OS4 only in case of Amiga Inc. bankruptcy, if I recall correctly.
Which isn't legal under US law and the contract agreed any legal proceeding would be covered under US (orginal contract was under WA and artic was under CA) law.
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Hmm, true, Hyperion can own OS4 only in case of Amiga Inc. bankruptcy, if I recall correctly.
Which isn't legal under US law and the contract agreed any legal proceeding would be covered under US (orginal contract was under WA and artic was under CA) law.
Dammy
Under US law, if a contract contains illegal stipulations is the *entire* contract made invalid or just the illegal parts?
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Under US law, if a contract contains illegal stipulations is the *entire* contract made invalid or just the illegal parts?
IANAL. There is no hard yes/no, as far as I understand it. Since that clause was never used, it's a "so what" catagory. If it was something major, then it would give both parties options to void the contract and seek legal protection. Today, it really does not matter since AI opted to terminate the contract by giving Hyperion due notice; which was called for in the contract. :horse:
Dammy
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One of which is probably piracy, that is simple enough to overcome as all "new" macs (g3 blue and white onwards) support usb in the open firmware so it would be simple enough to sell os4 with a usb dongle which would replace the need for the a1's uboot rom.
The companies involved may not have yet accepted this, but I think the OS4 "market" has boiled down to the point where piracy isn't an issue. The only people left who even think about OS4 are those who are more than anxious to pay money for it, and those who might have been interested years ago but now wouldn't run OS4 if you paid them to.
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If AInc loses and they probably will since they went insolvent according to Bill's own court declarations on the past(the excuse given to not paying employees IIRC), all the future versions of classic AmigaOS are entitled to Hyperion.
That's according was the agreement AInc signed.
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maybe somebody can just leak the whole os4 source code and end this insanity?