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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: utri007 on May 16, 2007, 07:16:59 PM
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Any opinions about this
http://www.thylacine.boing.net/
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Are they acutally available?
When i clicked on the order page i got an error that the security certificate epired in june 2006.
If they are available i would be interested in a couple.
Gaz
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They're not available any more. The only way to add USB to a Zorro Amiga now is either with a Mediator and a Spider PCI card or if you add a clockport somehow and get a Subway.
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moto
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Spider?
And how do you get Poseidon to run?
The author don't allow registration for Mediator users anymore!
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rkauer wrote:
Spider?
And how do you get Poseidon to run?
The author don't allow registration for Mediator users anymore!
I'd quite like to know that actually... I want to get USB for my A1200 but I don't wanna use the clockport and it already has a mediator...
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you can buy NOW those cards...
here is the order page:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~loofy/thylacine.html
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rkauer wrote:
Spider?
And how do you get Poseidon to run?
The author don't allow registration for Mediator users anymore!
There's an obvious solution to that, and the author only has himself to blame.
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@Darrin
There's an obvious solution to that, and the author only has himself to blame.
Excuse me?
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Piru wrote:
Excuse me?
I think I've made myself quite plain. If anyone feels any guilt over it then they can always mail him $10.
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Oh no, not this again..... :roll:
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@Darrin
I think I've made myself quite plain. If anyone feels any guilt over it then they can always mail him $10.
No. I want you to spell it out for me. Are you advocating piracy?
If you do, I'd suggest using some other forums to do that.
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Piru wrote:No. I want you to spell it out for me. Are you advocating piracy?
If you do, I'd suggest using some other forums to do that.
I know you want me to spell it out, because you want to cry to the mods and have me banned. Sorry, but I don't play the games of children.
I don't advocate piracy, but I will suggest the ONLY solution. The reason this is the ONLY solution is because of the sad attitude of "a certain person", which quite frankly reflects the growing cancer that has infected the Amiga community and which keeps holding us back.
Have I made myself clear now?
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@Darrin
I've already reported this, like any other thread advocating piracy.
Say, you also advocate pirating MiamiDX and other applications that are no longer available? Or do you just advocate pirating applications those author you have a dislike for?
quite frankly reflects the growing cancer that has infected the Amiga community and which keeps holding us back.
And the answer to that is piracy? Surely you are joking?
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Piru wrote:
I've already reported this, like any other thread advocating piracy.
Good for you. I hope you'll sleep better tonight.
Say, you also advocate pirating MiamiDX and other applications that are no longer available?
I don't advocate anything, but if someone has no legal means to obtain some software and has exhausted all of the alternatives then I can't blame them if they decide to use a copy instead, but I'd hope that if the product became available again then they would buy it.
So, do you advocate Hodge's attidute towards the Mediator and it's users?
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@Darrin
So, do you advocate Hodge's attidute towards the Mediator and it's users?
What I think is irrelevant.
He has every right to do whatever he pleases. It is his software.
This website does not allow piracy.
If you have some issues with Platon42, fine so be it. Just don't go on some power trip advocating piracy.
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Piru wrote:
What I think is irrelevant.
We agree there.
He has every right to do whatever he pleases. It is his software.
Unfortunately you are right. However, USB users can always decide to work around his attitude.
This website does not allow piracy.
And?
If you have some issues with Platon42, fine so be it.
Only over childish actions like not registering Mediator users. It's a shame, because his USB stack is the best one available (so I hear) and is essential for adding modern functionality to classic Amigas. Still, boys with their toys...
Just don't go on some power trip advocating piracy.
I haven't. It's just you're so quick to defend your "friend" that you're happy to slander me. I'll just assume that it is amiunderstanding on your part and that it's down to your poor grasp of English because the alternative is that you are sadly lacking in the personality department (and that's about as polite as I can put it).
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@Piru
hey you are a stand up guy, but this is truly childish..... think about it its miamiDX..... it's a dead product.
BTW I have heard the mediator is a bad USB stack and not worth the trouble... anyway the amiga does not need USB anyway.
Also Darrin is right ... if the author wants to make money form his work he needs to sell it, since he chooses not to do that... well the result is simple, WHETHER I ADVOCAT IT OR NOT. It's reality.
Your view is overly idealistic.
Lastly who voted you as piracy czar? LOL!
@all
This new card is cool, fun to see new things pop up form time to time. ESP stuff that works with classics!
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think about it its miamiDX..... it's a dead product.
And Chris Hodges, a talented programmer, will be inspired to write more software for the Amiga because.....?
Just like Holger Kruse (author of MiamiDX) - the masses of software he's released in recent years since his products have been wholesale pirated :roll:.
BTW I have heard the mediator is a bad USB stack and not worth the trouble... anyway the amiga does not need USB anyway.
A technical point, but I think you are confused between a USB stack (software, for example Poseidon) and a USB controller (for example Spider operating through the Mediator busboard). Are you saying that Poseidon is a bad USB stack? Compared to what other USB stack on the Amiga?
Also Darrin is right ... if the author wants to make money form his work he needs to sell it, since he chooses not to do that... well the result is simple, WHETHER I ADVOCAT IT OR NOT. It's reality.
And however you cut it, piracy is just that. Just because a shopkeeper refuses to sell his produce to you does not give you the right to steal his goods. You have no god-given right to use any commercial software unless the IP owner chooses to license it to you.
imho
Anyway, it's late - I'm going to bed.
This has all been discussed ad nauseum (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=v68&q=piracy+site%3Aamiga.org&btnG=Search&meta=) anyway
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Why doesn't someone just port AROS USB and a NIC driver or two over to AOS and be done with it? Yeah, probably need to port over AROS PCI as well...
Dammy
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It is platon42's right to do what he wants with his software, and that is FINAL.
stop the cry-baby/angry thing once and for all.
if u really need USB on the amiga, get a subway or kickflash/subway combo.
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keropi wrote:
you can buy NOW those cards...
here is the order page:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~loofy/thylacine.html
I just got an email from this guy confirming availability :)
Anyone using one of these cards?
Gaz
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Are they now available outside of Australia ? The last time I look (about a couple of years back) the Thylacine was only to be sold in Australia / to customers in Australia.
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Also does it come with all of the necessary software (i.e. licensable Poseidon)
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moto
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Lemmink wrote:
Are they now available outside of Australia ? The last time I look (about a couple of years back) the Thylacine was only to be sold in Australia / to customers in Australia.
I was quoted AU$10 to ship to the uk, i presume they are.
As for Software, I doubt it but i presume you can download Poseidon, i understand the the author is still taking registrations for non mediator users.
Gaz
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thylacine cards also have their own usb-stack, called SIRION ... basic but works, it even has usb-ethernet support
and you can always register Poseidon for thylacine.
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Someone write before, that amiga doesn't need usb. But I and my miggy does need. So as a simply amiga end user the story is very sad:
The OS (3.9) doesn't have any support for usb. Someone sell an usb card but with demo drivers. What a good offer! Other drivers not working with this card.
Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver???? That is really sad. OK all of the manufacturer not write any driver for his product, and some talented guys do for amiga. But money for a driver is a really sad story.
And one more options for piracy. For a software you have to pay, but you have the rights to get software support too.
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The OS (3.9) doesn't have any support for usb. Someone sell an usb card but with demo drivers. What a good offer! Other drivers not working with this card.
Then ask this hardware vendor why he refuses to allow OpenPCI support... OpenPCI has USB lowlevel drivers which work marvellous on other PCI solutions, and they are for free now (Guido, please correct me if I'm wrong).
Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver????
But money for a driver is a really sad story.
Yes, sad indeed. There are people out there who spend some months on developing drivers and a complete USB stack, spend money on development and test hardware, and finally they want to get some money for their work?
Indeed, those guys are crazy in their head.
Use your brain and check yourself: a PCI USB2 NEC card costs around 5EUR. A relabled USB2 NEC card from a certain Amiga company costs 64EUR. Let the fancy sticker cost 1 EUR, so you have a bargain of 58EUR. 58EUR for just relabeling a PCI card, writing a new SubvendorID into the PCI card's EEPROM (to make it a dongle) and writing the lowlevel driver (which any hardware needs anyhow).
Registering Poseidon costs 38EUR, which includes all the support, updates and all IP to make your relabled PCI card doing more than dissipating heat.
Got the point? Do you think this is a balanced situation?
And one more options for piracy. For a software you have to pay, but you have the rights to get software support too.
If you want software support for your board, please contact the manufacturer of it. He made promises, and he's the one to keep them, not other third parties.
As I heard this manufacturer has an own USB stack "almost" working, so why don't you wait for this to be released?
Indeed, sometimes I get sad of people's attitude regarding IP and rights.
Michael
P.S.: I guess some people will start bashing me again, as I dared to express my personal point of view - enjoy it.
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Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver????
But money for a driver is a really sad story.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ????
get a subway/algor/lagorPRO/Highway USB card that has OEM POSEIDON LICENSE
get a 3rd party hardware that has paid nothing to the driver author and you should register the driver.
(well not anymore but u had your chance until December2006 anyway, if after all that you get a Spider card, then it serves you right, and if u had it before it is your own fault that u did not register before)
if you think a USB stack for the amiga is so simple go write your own and make it freeware.
in the same "manner" registering MUI is sad, having payed for CyberGraphX4 is sad, hell even paying for OS is sad...
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I don't advocate anything, but if someone has no legal means to obtain some software and has exhausted all of the alternatives then I can't blame them if they decide to use a copy instead, but I'd hope that if the product became available again then they would buy it.
Your attitude smells like a dead fish... do you have the same attitude to other goods, too, like this?
"I have no legal means to obtain a car and have exhausted all of the alternatives. So I have stolen one now, and I use it, but be sure the day I can legally buy it I will spend my money to the guy I have stolen the car from."
If you answer is "yes" then please consider it again. But this time imagine that you are the guy who's car has been stolen by someone with the attitude you seem to advertise here.
So, do you advocate Hodge's attidute towards the Mediator and it's users?
Don't point to others and complain while in the same posting you admit doing piracy.
Michael
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derringer3 wrote:
Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver????
I presume your talking about Poseidon. Poseidon is not a driver, a driver is the piece of software that allow the hardware to interact with the OS or in this case because the OS has no usb support a 3rd party stack is required. My only experience wits Poseidon is through Morphos on my peg2's and I am very impressed with the level of support it provides, This has made me want usb on my classic machines (mainly to access memory cards etc). If you want something that isn't a part of the os and someone has spent a time developing it then why not pay for it? I know i wouldn't want to code it.
I don't claim to understand the reasons for him not to support mediator owners (pure laziness on my part, i just cant be bothered to read up) but it is the developers right to say who can and can't use his software.
I just ordered 3 Thylacine cards (2 for me one for a member of our user group) If anyone is interested I'll let you know how i get on.
Gaz
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It is nobody's business but Platon42's who he chooses to sell his product to and how much he charges. If you don't like it, write your own USB stack.
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moto
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gazgod wrote:
I don't claim to understand the reasons for him not to support mediator owners (pure laziness on my part, i just cant be bothered to read up) but it is the developers right to say who can and can't use his software.
Well, I did read up a while ago and I understand Chris' decision - he didn't really have another choice.
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mboehmer_e3b wrote:
Your attitude smells like a dead fish... do you have the same attitude to other goods, too, like this?
Like I give a toss what you think about my attitude.
"I have no legal means to obtain a car and have exhausted all of the alternatives. So I have stolen one now, and I use it, but be sure the day I can legally buy it I will spend my money to the guy I have stolen the car from."
That's a straw man arguement and if that's the way your "brain" thinks then there's no point explaining what I wrote.
Don't point to others and complain while in the same posting you admit doing piracy.
Someone has to. All the sucking up going on in this thread is what stinks. Please point out where I admit doing piracy. Either STFU and stop slandering me or learn to read. I do not pirate software. When you earn a six figure salary then you have no need.
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motorollin wrote:
It is nobody's business but Platon42's who he chooses to sell his product to and how much he charges. If you don't like it, write your own USB stack.
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moto
That's nice. I guess you support racism too as it's up to the BNP/KKK etc who they hate and don't hate.
Discrimination against Mediator users is not a policy you expect from a professional.
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Darrin wrote:
That's nice. I guess you support racism too as it's up to the BNP/KKK etc who they hate and don't hate.
Don't you dare to put those words in my mouth. I support no such organisations. Furthermore you know very well that there is a big difference between somebody choosing not to do business with a company which he/she feels is behaving unethically (in this case Elbox) and an organisation which engages in an active hate campaign.
Darrin wrote:
Discrimination against Mediator users is not a policy you expect from a professional.
Read the details on Chris's web site and you will see who was behaving unprofessionally.
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moto
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@ Darrin :
1. mboehmer_e3b offers more to the amiga community than you would in 100 years with your six figure salary.
2. platon42 also offers more to the amiga community than you would in 100 years with your six figure salary. you cannot judge them. it is beyond your power to do that, and you look foolish.
3. you obviously don't know what happened so don't try your lame "racism" excuses, you still look like a fool. better get all the facts first, think and then come boasting about your "beliefs" (that are completelly wrong ofcourse).
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What elbox did was scummy but making ordinary users suffer is wrong but as this is the Amiga market being unreliable is trendy and sexy.
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motorollin wrote:
Don't you dare to put those words in my mouth. I support no such organisations. Furthermore you know very well that there is a big difference between somebody choosing not to do business with a company which he/she feels is behaving unethically (in this case Elbox) and an organisation which engages in an active hate campaign.
If you lot want to slander me by calling me a software pirate then you had better be prepared to take the same back. Again, I asked you "if" and didn't say "did". Learn to read.
Again, this isn't a case of not doing business with Elbox, it's against not supporting Amiga users because they bought some hardware that he doesn't approve of. Elbox make their money off the hardware, Chris is simply {bleep}ting on their customers. See the difference?
Read the details on Chris's web site and you will see who was behaving unprofessionally.
I have and his twisted facts don't do him any favours.
On a more pleasant note, supposing someone downloads the evaluation version of his stack from Aminet and then registers it using the "Full personal registration (standard fee 38 EUR) NOT FOR ELBOX PRODUCTS)" option on his site, then will the stack work on the Mediator or has he inserted some code to prevent it?
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Glittering wrote:
What elbox did was scummy but making ordinary users suffer is wrong but as this is the Amiga market being unreliable is trendy and sexy.
That's my point. Not registering the stack is hurting Amiga users, and not Elbox. Elbox get the cash for the hardware and the user gets discriminated against by Chris.
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Darrin wrote:
If you lot want to slander me by calling me a software pirate then you had better be prepared to take the same back.
Please direct me to the post where I called you a software pirate.
Darrin wrote:
Again, this isn't a case of not doing business with Elbox, it's against not supporting Amiga users because they bought some hardware that he doesn't approve of. Elbox make their money off the hardware, Chris is simply {bleep}ting on their customers. See the difference?
Yes, I'm sure Chris is cutting off a portion of the userbase (and thus a source of income) just to spite the users :roll:
Darrin wrote:
his twisted facts don't do him any favours.
How do you know they are twisted? Do you know something Chris doesn't?
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moto
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keropi wrote:
@ Darrin :
1. mboehmer_e3b offers more to the amiga community than you would in 100 years with your six figure salary.
I'm the "end user" and without people like me then there would never have been a community and there never will be a community.
2. platon42 also offers more to the amiga community than you would in 100 years with your six figure salary. you cannot judge them. it is beyond your power to do that, and you look foolish.
Zzzzzz. Se above. Obviously you have no comprehension of what is in my power and your bum-sucking is what looks foolish from my angle.
3. you obviously don't know what happened so don't try your lame "racism" excuses, you still look like a fool. better get all the facts first, think and then come boasting about your "beliefs" (that are completelly wrong ofcourse).
And you're obviously making lame excuses to support your biased position. Try being objective and think about your precious community rather that adopting a childish attitude to those you "think" are beneath you.
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motorollin wrote:
Please direct me to the post where I called you a software pirate.
YOU didn't and my words were "you lot" meaning that those of you putting me under fire for daring to have an option that doesn't match your commie ideals have been saying that I condone piracy and mboemher even tells me "you admit doing piracy." which I don't. Still having reading trouble?
Yes, I'm sure Chris is cutting off a portion of the userbase (and thus a source of income) just to spite the users :roll:
Yes, he effectively is. He want's to kill a deer and to do so he's poisioning all of the plants. Sarcasm wont help you defend this.
his twisted facts don't do him any favours.
How do you know they are twisted? Do you know something Chris doesn't?[/quote]
I've read both sides of the story and CH's lack of cooperation and his over inflated ego seems to be the major problem. I don't blame Elbox for having a hard time dealing with him.
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OK then MR. End-User...
seems you are a real smart person
WHY THE {bleep} do you complain about poseidon then? Go to your friends at elbox and demand a usb stack to operate your lame card or else just shut up.
or make your own stack.
morrons like you are those that cause hardware/software developers to quit, with your constant nagging and lame excusses. what do u accept from Chris, to bend over so u can be happy? and your "user rights" are not threatened? u are here 5 years, did you register poseidon?
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Darrin wrote:
motorollin wrote:
Please direct me to the post where I called you a software pirate.
YOU didn't
And yet you had the audacity to accuse me of supporting the KKK. I see no purpose to continuing this conversation since you are clearly the type of person who lashes out at others with unfounded claims when your argument is disputed.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
I see no purpose to continuing this conversation since you are clearly the type of person who lashes out at others with unfounded claims when your argument is disputed.
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moto
well said motorolin... I will join u in watching, no point arguing with non-thinking/childish/"I am always right"/"my righs are violated" persons :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Darrin, I don't understand. There is this "obvious solution" you mention in your first post. You won't state what it is. People have come to the obvious conclusion that the "obvious solution" is piracy, but that is somehow insulting and slanderous to you.
So if this proposed "solution" is not piracy, then what is it and what possible reason would you have for not stating it?
If the "solution" is in fact piracy then why are you so insulted by a statement of fact?
I can't see your logic.
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motorollin wrote:
Darrin wrote:
motorollin wrote:
Please direct me to the post where I called you a software pirate.
YOU didn't
And yet you had the audacity to accuse me of supporting the KKK. I see no purpose to continuing this conversation since you are clearly the type of person who lashes out at others with unfounded claims when your argument is disputed.
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moto
Good. Leave me to debate this with people who understand (or want to understand) what I'm saying.
Note: I said "I guess you support racism too as it's up to the BNP/KKK etc who they hate and don't hate."
Do you see the "I guess". Do you know the difference between a statement and suggestion? To you understand "context" and how it was used in the BNP/KKK remark? Obviously not.
Yes, it's better you leave while you're losing.
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Ok.
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moto
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@Darrin
Please go away, we've heard enough crap from you.
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uncharted wrote:
Darrin, I don't understand. There is this "obvious solution" you mention in your first post. You won't state what it is. People have come to the obvious conclusion that the "obvious solution" is piracy, but that is somehow insulting and slanderous to you.
So if this proposed "solution" is not piracy, then what is it and what possible reason would you have for not stating it?
If the "solution" is in fact piracy then why are you so insulted by a statement of fact?
I can't see your logic.
My solution is to obtain an unlocked version by whatever means necessary if CH refuses to register and unlock your copy on the grounds that you own an Elbox product.
I've already asked if "telling a fig" on the registration page will allow the stack to be used with the Mediator and nobody has answered yet. If the only solution is obtaining a key from another source then so be it. If person who does this doesn't want to be a "pirate" then they can do what I suggested and mail CH some cash in an unmarked envelope.
CH has engineered this problem himself. I'm just suggesting solutions. Personally, it doesn't affect me as I don't own anything that requires CH's stack to run. I'm just pissed off with the whole Amiga community attitude that allows instances like this to go unchallenged.
If CH has a problem with Elbox then he can put a "ELBOX SUCKS" banner at the top of his registration page along with an explaination of why he thinks they suck. Discriminating against certain Amiga users is not what I expect from a mature adult trying to run a business.
Let me just say a big "THANK YOU" for questioning my stance in a polite and civil manner. There are people on this thread that could learn a lot about debating by reading your posts.
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Zac67 wrote:
@Darrin
Please go away, we've heard enough crap from you.
I don't do requests and I'm entitled to post here as much as you are (within the guidelines).
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I somehow think you just don't (want to) get it:
Spider-users had the chance to register for quite a long time.
Chris made it clear that he wouldn't support the Spider forever.
Chris does make it clear that Poseidon can't be registered for the Spider anymore.
Elbox is still selling Spiders without telling their costumers that it can't be made useable.
It's like buying a "new" Amiga advertised as render-machine and than complaining at Maxon that the newest version of Cinema4D doesn't work on it ......
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Kronos wrote:
I somehow think you just don't (want to) get it:
Spider-users had the chance to register for quite a long time.
Chris made it clear that he wouldn't support the Spider forever.
Chris does make it clear that Poseidon can't be registered for the Spider anymore.
Elbox is still selling Spiders without telling their costumers that it can't be made useable.
Oh, I get it. However, the Spider is still available for sale and all the divers necessary for it already exist. Chris had just picked on the Spider to stop support for "personal issues". Why would anybody want to support Chris stack when there's always a chance that he'll have more "personal issues" with another company?
I agree (from looking at the site) that Elbox should make a note that CH is discriminating against their customers as it is an important fact.
It's like buying a "new" Amiga advertised as render-machine and than complaining at Maxon that the newest version of Cinema4D doesn't work on it ......
Not quite. The Spider used to work and there's no reason why it shouldn't continue to work with CH's stack other than CH himself. Nobody is asking him to write any drivers for it, but just accept money and send out a key file.
A small as this community is, I don't understand why people are putting personal feelings in the way of business (and I'm not just talking about USB here).
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Nice to know that it's availlable.
But does anyone ever use this card ? is it good, does it work well and would there be any problems with micronic zorro extender?
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@Darrin
"Personal issues with a company" is quite correct.
Users who have bought the key before the fallout are still able to use the newest Poseidon with their Spiders.
Elbox does have options:
- release their own stack (allmost finished years ago they say ..)
- strike a deal with the Sirion author
- use the AROS-USB-stack (as minimal it may be)
- pull the Spider of the market (and optional allow OpenPCI to work on the Mediator, something you seem to ignore when handing out the blame)
But somehow they insist on listing a piece of SW not available for their HW !
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Guys,
As you know, I'm probably the last person on the planet to want to discuss or allow piracy, but there have been some very valid observations made by others in this thread.
The Classic Amiga platform, for all intents and purposes is dead. We still love and enjoy them, but there is no, and will never be any new main hardware for them. Accordingly, no one is writing real software for them any more.
A product like MiamiDX represents a quandry, because in 2007, a computer pretty much has to have a protocol stack in order to be useable. Hell, even an original XBox has a protocol stack....
That leaves us with only a couple of options, both of which have literally been abandoned by the author and are now impossible to obtain legally.
As much as I despise the subject of piracy and will still not allow it openly on this site, there are simply some things which must be done in order for our machines to be usable. Proverbially speaking, we are the group stranded at the top of the mountain, freezing, and having to become cannibals to survive. There is no shame or dishonor in that, but again, it's NOT something you talk about publicly.
In the end, on this subject, both sides are right, and both are wrong.
To the people who accept the truth and advocate getting it by whatever means necessary, good for you, but stop advocating it publicly.
To the few self-appointed "piracy police" in this thread, you really need to take a step back, look at the bigger picture,and stop trying to control everyone else's life. No one made you sheriff. It's not your job to argue with others who have differing opinions, then whine to all the moderators when you don't get your way.
Officially speaking :
Amiga.org understands the current situation with the Amiga platform. If we COULD buy the software in question, we would be a staunch advocate for doing so. The problem is that some of these authors literally won't even respond to e-mails and won't take your money if you sent it.
Meanwhile the platform is being critically hampered by the situation. So in the end, in closing, and in short, if you need ABANDONED software and cannot otherwise get it legally, do what you gotta do, but Amiga.org is not the place for discussing it publicly.
That ladies and gents is my official say so on the matter.
Wayne
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I requested a "Yawn" smiley for posts whenever glittering( paul gadd we suspect) pops up, think we have another reason to request a "Yawn" smilely.
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note by admin : Paul Gadd banned once again.
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Meanwhile the platform is being critically hampered by the situation. So in the end, in closing, and in short, if you need ABANDONED software and cannot otherwise get it legally, do what you gotta do, but Amiga.org is not the place for discussing it publicly.
That ladies and gents is my official say so on the matter.
Wayne
Point taken. You've managed to sum up what I was trying (and obviously failed) to convey. Sorry to anyone I managed to upset over that last few posts.
I'll refrain from commenting on this again and hopefully find a thread that we can all agree on like OS4 on the Efika.
Cheers
Darrin ;-)
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Darrin wrote:
My solution is to obtain an unlocked version by whatever means necessary if CH refuses to register and unlock your copy on the grounds that you own an Elbox product.
How about support for all users prior to and since the
controversy through a mediator, a neutral party. Someone
like AmigaKit come's to mind. A "go between" that could
handle the transactions allowing Mr. Hodge's to continue
to sell his software, which is why he made it, Elbox to
continue to sell Spider's, which is why they offer them,
eliminate the friction/disagreements that result from
direct contact between the 2, they both continue to profit
and the end user/customer isn't jammed in to the middle
of a situation he shouldn't be in in the first place?
Just a question/suggestion.
Bob Reising
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Darrin wrote:
hopefully find a thread that we can all agree on like OS4 on the Efika.
Off topic, sorry, but anything with the stink of Bill Buck on it is most definitely not something "we" can all agree on
I read "Efika", and all I can think is what Bill Buck really means is, "I'll f*** ya"
:)
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hmmm thats funny that's exactly how I feel about bill mcEwen..... LOL
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Kronos wrote:
- pull the Spider of the market (and optional allow OpenPCI to work on the Mediator, something you seem to ignore when handing out the blame)
OpenPCI (and ArakAttack) works now.
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adolescent wrote:
Kronos wrote:
- pull the Spider of the market (and optional allow OpenPCI to work on the Mediator, something you seem to ignore when handing out the blame)
OpenPCI (and ArakAttack) works now.
Hmm, so what the mighty-warm-place-ruled-by-a-guy-with-horns-and-hoofs is all this fuss about ?
Buy 10Euro USB-card
Get ArakAttack
Get Poseidon-key
Don't go over start, don't cash in 4000$ and don't pay the hellbox-tax.
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guru-666 wrote:
hmmm thats funny that's exactly how I feel about bill mcEwen..... LOL
We're all entitled to those opinions, and I respect yours. Bill McEwen on the other hand did not {bleep} you or me personally out of over $10,000. The same cannot be said by me about Buck.
Wayne
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@all
This thread makes me want beer... :pint:
Andy
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note by admin : Paul Gadd banned once again.
What a great loss to the Amiga community. :lol:
I give it a week before Amigaworld.net do the same (and that's being generous).
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Kronos wrote:
adolescent wrote:
Kronos wrote:
- pull the Spider of the market (and optional allow OpenPCI to work on the Mediator, something you seem to ignore when handing out the blame)
OpenPCI (and ArakAttack) works now.
Hmm, so what the mighty-warm-place-ruled-by-a-guy-with-horns-and-hoofs is all this fuss about ?
Buy 10Euro USB-card
Get ArakAttack
Get Poseidon-key
Don't go over start, don't cash in 4000$ and don't pay the hellbox-tax.
Yeah, but OpenPCI doesn't work with the Mediator 1200 version, just the A4000 version. You can see the USB card, it just won't initialize under Poseidon. Believe me, I've tried just about every card out there (VIA, NEC, Opti, AcerLabs, etc.) and neither USB 2.0 or 1.1/1.0 works on the Mediator 1200. A crying shame I say.
I wonder why Elbox never just rebadged and resold Voodoo3000 cards using the same tactic as with the Spider? I just bought my Voodoo card (and a Soundblaster, NIC, etc.) on eBay and it works right out of the box.