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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Starrunner on May 07, 2007, 09:25:39 PM
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I saw the announcement with the specs for the Power Design system from AInc and ACK. It sounds impressive and the like.
One thing has me bothered though: The price tag of $1500.
The only reason I am pointing this out is that last year for the video production business I have, we put together the following:
2 AMD Opteron Sledgehammer 246 processors, 2.0Ghz each
Tyan motherboard for said processors
2 GB Kingston DDR2 RAM
AGP 8x Video Card (Model Escapes me)
80 GB HD and a 160 GB Hitachi HD
Enermax 550 watt power supply
Case, fans and various sundries
In the neighborhood of $1200. That was for a system once we put it together and tossed the OS on it was ready to go.
So the question I have is the following: What do we think of the system spec and the price for said spec?
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Don't forget that it's been said that it will be a complete system and not just a motherboard..
As we all know, pre-built systems are always more expensive... But if it looks and performs as sweet as it sounds I'm getting one of those babies!
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It's cheaper than the last PPC PowerMacs...
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Matt_H wrote:
It's cheaper than the last PPC PowerMacs...
You are right there. I priced out Macs as an alternative to the PC-based systems I am using. I damn near cried and screamed like a baby.
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BinoX wrote:
Don't forget that it's been said that it will be a complete system and not just a motherboard..
As we all know, pre-built systems are always more expensive... But if it looks and performs as sweet as it sounds I'm getting one of those babies!
I must have missed the sentence about them being a complete system sans monitor.
Prebuilt systems are not always more expensive. I've priced out several systems where I could not beat out the price on something ready made.
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it's still a long way to market for this.. looks interesting, nothing as exsiting as the origional amiga launch but O.k. for the hobbiest/tinker market. Might be interesting once they get an OS.
@Starrunner
what would do with the new amiga in post production? there is no OS let alone software, it will be years before you could do anything practical with this lump of hardware. Let's just face it the amiga no longer has an edge....
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This is a system built by a small company in probably relatively low production numbers.
You can't compare its price to mass produced systems in the x86 world. Those companies get better prices on parts and can spread their costs over larger quantities.
Honestly I think the price is good value fir money; provided it ever gets released of course!
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Starrunner wrote:
I've priced out several systems where I could not beat out the price on something ready made.
You have a point, but you are comparing apples and oranges. One's mass-produced with thousands of new units every day, the other.. well, it's a niche.
If Lamborghini's were produced at the rate of Ford's, I bet they would be less expensive too.
But hey, I don't care. I'm getting $500 version anyway. :)
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mmm....How much for this system in the UK I wonder? If it comes in at £1000ish I'll buy one, but it doesn't always work out that way. This is an expensive country sometimes and I've seen hardware from the US cost the same numbers in £'s as $'s, £1500 would be just tooooo steep.
Anyway, all being well I've waited years for this, how can I resist now?
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Ofcourse I'll pay $1500 for a computer that does not even have a real browser, cause I am just that kind of geek. :)
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no pancakes, no care.
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skurk wrote:
Starrunner wrote:
I've priced out several systems where I could not beat out the price on something ready made.
You have a point, but you are comparing apples and oranges. One's mass-produced with thousands of new units every day, the other.. well, it's a niche.
If Lamborghini's were produced at the rate of Ford's, I bet they would be less expensive too.
But hey, I don't care. I'm getting $500 version anyway. :)
Sure, but it remains to be seen whether or not it will actually be a quality product like a Lamborghini or Ducati. Small volume doesn't necessarily mean the product is good enough to be automatically thrown in the league of the exotic.
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TheMagicM wrote:
no pancakes, no care.
Just ask the Mos devs to port to the hardware...
Ooo, AROS is going to have a 64-bit port (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=21). Okay, a x86-64 port soon. I wonder if that could be ported over.
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Argo wrote:
TheMagicM wrote:
no pancakes, no care.
Just ask the Mos devs to port to the hardware...
Ooo, AROS is going to have a 64-bit port (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=21). Okay, a x86-64 port soon. I wonder if that could be ported over.
Well if its got the Efika port coming with PowerPC support that'll probably be most relevant. Though finding all those 64bit portability issues and fixing them will certainly help (depending on how its done of course).
@all
If it comes out then for a relatively low-volume product I think it's in a ... reasonable price point.
That is if it comes out though. After so many years of false promises I'm firmly in wait and see camp.
Andy
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Yet more vapor. Come now guys, who really thinks this will ship?? And ship with OS4? Someone has been consuming very large quantities of illegal mushrooms :crazy:
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Ofcourse I'll pay $1500 for a computer that does not even have a real browser,
errr!!!! last time i cheked browsers come with the OS, i didn´t know that there were browsers that run directly from the hardware :roll: :-P
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If not vapour then this Power system needs to be further clarified with more detailed specs ie 60gb-500gb HDD's Memory 256mb-4gb Graphics boards but most of all for UK customers a price that reflects the exchange rate of the dollar to the pound or otherwise it will be an uphill struggle with a very reduced customer base. eg Look at Vista pricing and the resulting petition to UK Government about its pricing.
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hmm...
set aside 1500 for a system that will probably never ship
or build a kickbutt pc system and run aros right now
the aros guys have been actively building this community. same with the morphos people. they deserve our respect and support.
build a morphos or aros system or run amiga forever and ban eveything else, (ok then there is minimig and similar and classic)
boycott vapor dont even give it the thread space.
crap i just did... never mind
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!....... :lol:
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I actually build my brother a dual core opteron setup with 2gb of DDR2-800, two 320gb drives, kick @$$ asus sli board, nice case, 600watt PSU, 16x dvd burner, zalman cpu cooler, all for just a bit under $1000. Now that is a setup that id pay for. :-)
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Well im not holding my breath. I remember putting money aside for the Amiga MMC and the Walker and well when i finally decided to buy an AmigaOne they were no longer available. Seems that until i can actually talk to people who have one and they are still being produced I'll stick with my A500, 2 A1200's, A4000 Video Toaster system and A2000, But another Amiga added would be kinda nice.
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I'm continuing to simply stay optimistic about this. My A1200 is working as it is, so I'm not complaining.
If it comes out and is worth owning, I'll buy one. But even the low end one is nice for a hobby machine.
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1985:huge numbers of people and businesses eagerly paid $1495 for slow (7mhz) IBM compatibles because the genuine IBM was twice that price;and Apples were even higher!
$1500 of today's dollars has maybe 1/3 to 1/2 the purchasing power of 20 years ago in most thingsa except electronics.
For a niche market product,if done well, this is really about as good as can be expected-provided it comes with updated AmigaOS and a suite of apps for audio/video at the casual level with software upgrade to pro apps.Be nice if it would run the legacy apps.
Plenty of PPC and X86 family boxes out here for Ubuntu and other linux.
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A better comparison in this case would be to compare the new Amiga to the new G5 price when it came out, and sonofabitch, the Amiga is a LOT cheaper.
Comparing a prebuilt Amiga to your homebrew PC is just ludicrous, even silly. Different worlds entirely.
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FireflyST wrote:
A better comparison in this case would be to compare the new Amiga to the new G5 price when it came out, and sonofabitch, the Amiga is a LOT cheaper.
Comparing a prebuilt Amiga to your homebrew PC is just ludicrous, even silly. Different worlds entirely.
Certain people will complain even if they sell hardware for free.this people are not interested, they are here only to bother it´s their way of masturbation
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U know i dont think it comes down to comparing prices with G5's and such, I think for me at least its the fact that for the last who knows how long all we've recieved from Amiga is getting burned and the occasional announcement to get the community excited and giving money to Amiga. Honestly, how much have you received from Amiga in the last 5 yrs thats worth a darn, maybe a T-shirt if you were lucky enough, but hey that cost you only $100.00 and a coupon that hasnt been useable and honestly prob wont be in the near future.
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Can't these fricking lame companies just not release press statements and instead just make something and tell people about it when it's finished.
It's vapour until it's a working product for sale and in the hands of customers.
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The Powervixxen was the last "NG" thing I got excited about. ACK used up all their goodwill with that one.
I wouldn't consider either of these systems. For a dollar more than the "power" system you could get a 20" iMac which has the software and drivers take full advantage of the system. The "entry" system is way too low power for the price. At least the PV could be excused because it was supposed to be an A1200 add-on.
Both systems (if they even exist) are pointless in two completely opposite ways. One chronically underpowered, the other far too powerful (multi-core, 64bit, PCI-E)for the target OS to utilise.
And it's still odd that despite saying that these systems are complete (sans. monitor) why only the motherboard specs are posted, what about all the other critical components? What size HDD? How much RAM? Very odd, especially considering that summer is close by (entry level system) and these things would have to starting the production process now.
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Yet more vapor. Come now guys, who really thinks this will ship?? And ship with OS4?
I don't.It is just another stunt by Kowalczyk and instead of people being cynical. they have done the "Amiga way" and lapped it up.
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Apparantly the coupons will be useable!
An e-mail I got this morning...
Greetings from Amiga;
This message has been a long time coming, but with the recent announcements of new hardware and the manufacturing to begin shortly we wanted to let all of you know that you will still be able to receive your Club Amiga discount.
The new hardware is expected to be available this summer, and we will be sending out further instructions shortly on how to redeem your discount and use it for the purchase of your new system.
For those of you who have already purchased an AmigaOne system from Eyetech, please locate any receipt that you may have for the machine. If that is not possible then we will work with each of you so that you can also receive what is due you for your purchase and faith in Amiga.
Bill McEwen
Amiga, Inc.
bill@amiga.com
Tel: 425.557.9600 x23
Fax: 425.557.0090
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@Glittering
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If they build it...I will buy it. :-D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! :lol:
i just read the dreamland specs from ack again, this announcment of announcment is getting funnier everytime it happen... there is no end to it.... :lol:
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QNX seem to be using the same Mobos as Ainc announce. Think they could be related in some way?
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I find ACK's lack of a website disturbing...
And I have to agree with the statement about not putting out press releases when you have nothing to show for it. With the history of the post Commodore Amiga, it just does sound like more vapourware.
I understand the point about comparing apples to oranges on mass produced hardware vs. more niche hardware. The only reason I did that is because in the minds of many, that is how they will see it.
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Same board as QNX?
Now that may be relevant, Amiga have said more than once that OS5 has been worked on for a couple of years now, that it does not use Tao-systems technology and will run on many hardware platforms. Is it not perhaps possable that they have built OS5 on QNX? mmmm :inquisitive:
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Tripitaka wrote:
Same board as QNX?
Now that may be relevant, Amiga have said more than once that OS5 has been worked on for a couple of years now, that it does not use Tao-systems technology and will run on many hardware platforms. Is it not perhaps possable that they have built OS5 on QNX? mmmm :inquisitive:
I know I might get flamed by the OS4 programmers and fans for writing this, but I hope you are right and Amiga Inc. has completed a great new "Amiga-like" OS based on QNX, but I highly doubt it. Just a pipe dream and hopeless wish from one of the few remaining Amiga Enthusiasts.
I really like the QNX company and founders and have had a few emails with them over the past couple of years regarding Amiga.
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I know this is a couple of years old but then IF they have been working on OS5 for a couple of years.....
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/qnxanno.html (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/qnxanno.html)
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QNX seem to be using the same Mobos as Ainc announce. Think they could be related in some way?
The main difference is, the ones QNX uses are real.
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Now that may be relevant, Amiga have said more than once that OS5 has been worked on for a couple of years now, that it does not use Tao-systems technology and will run on many hardware platforms. Is it not perhaps possable that they have built OS5 on QNX? mmmm
Pretty unlikely since McBill has also stated they are looking for someone to write the kernel for OS5. That to me indicates that McBill doesn't understand that the kernel is fundamental to the OS and that AInc. hasn't really been working on OS5 *at all*, much less for two years.
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build OS5 on QNX, why? QNX is aready a very good os with out anything "built on it", this is just retarded.
anybody that has paid ANY attention over the last 10 20 years would have learned this.
1,)propriatary hardware is a bad idea
2,)open source OS prevent idiots (like a-inc) from holding you hostage!
and here I thought you guys knew computers......
the answer about why QNX and the "proposed" new amiga run on the same hardware is a SIMPLE one to answer..... becasue there is no NEW amiga.. it's just some random hardware they can sell to morons. Duh. What you think they made a new computer form scratch? why?
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build OS5 on QNX, why? QNX is aready a very good os with out anything "built on it", this is just retarded.
This comment really show that the retard is you, first that is like saying to apple: "Build macos x on top of BSD why? BSD it´s already a very good OS" and all we know how more good and different is Macos X from BSD.
And second QNX it´s basically an embedded OS and the UI part is not as developed as any of the mainstreamed OS.So if you get the QNX kernel and put on top a good GUI and API (ie Amiga) you *could* get a even more good OS than QNX.
said this, yes, QNX is really good together with BeOS and AmigaOS the best OSs ever made IMHO
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Fransexy_ wrote:
This comment really show that the retard is you, first that is like saying to apple: "Build macos x on top of BSD why? BSD it´s already a very good OS" and all we know how more good and different is Macos X from BSD.
And second QNX it´s basically an embedded OS and the UI part is not as developed as any of the mainstreamed OS.So if you get the QNX kernel and put on top a good GUI and API (ie Amiga) you *could* get a even more good OS than QNX.
Please tell me you didn't just indirectly compare Cocoa with the AmigaOS API or *worse* an Amiga Inc. developed API.
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I think this "power" board is way too advanced for OS4 as is.
When you read the press release, ACK say they are designing for today and the future. Could today be OS4 and the future OS5?
Just a thought.
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It's pathetic that some would rather see failure than the Amiga revived;just so they can say "I told you so"
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Fransexy_ wrote:
that is like saying to apple: "Build macos x on top of BSD why? BSD it´s already a very good OS" and all we know how more good and different is Macos X from BSD.
Do some research on what MacOS X is built on and you will realise why that was a particularly poor example.
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moto
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dualcore? funny vapor really :lol: :lol: :lol:
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motorollin wrote:
Fransexy_ wrote:
that is like saying to apple: "Build macos x on top of BSD why? BSD it´s already a very good OS" and all we know how more good and different is Macos X from BSD.
Do some research on what MacOS X is built on and you will realise why that was a particularly poor example.
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moto
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X):
Mac OS X is based on the Mach kernel and is derived from the BSD implementation of Unix in NEXTSTEP
It´s based on nextstep that is based (or uses lage parts of BSD):
# Apple Inc.'s Darwin, the core of Mac OS X; built on the XNU kernel (part Mach, part FreeBSD, part Apple-derived code) and a userland much of which comes from FreeBSD
# NeXT NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP, based on the Mach kernel and 4BSD; the ancestor of Mac OS X
It´s based or it´s not based?
The case is that you can get a superb OS and make another one better using parts of it, or on top of it.It was a response to the guy that says that QNX is good and why make another OS on top of it.And i put the MAcOSx example.Nor i compare AmigaOS with Macosx nor i say A inc is capable of do the same work as Apple.I talking about theory that you can get a very good OS and make on top of it another one better with the feel and good ideas of a preexisting one (like apple did)
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@Fransexy
I totaly disagree with you on this. Yes the OSX question is a good one.. why BSD is a fine OS, the only issue is that apple can't sell it to you.
I run QNX, it has a simple GUI thats why its good it's not bloated with visual crap.
Lastly No the amigaOS was never the best OS, don't get me wrong, it a good one but not the best. I think solaris or iri x where much better than amigaOS at the time. Today unbuntu or fedora core smoke amigaOS (and osx) IMHO.
It's o.k to be into the amiga but it was by no means the best OS ever. Thats just silly.