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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Delta on May 05, 2007, 05:21:23 AM
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I was amazed (and pleased) to receive an e-mail from Ainc a few minutes ago!
Seems my 50$ will be useful after all :-D
It goes like this:
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Greetings from Amiga;
This message has been a long time coming, but with the recent announcements of new hardware and the manufacturing to begin shortly we wanted to let all of you know that you will still be able to receive your Club Amiga discount.
The new hardware is expected to be available this summer, and we will be sending out further instructions shortly on how to redeem your discount and use it for the purchase of your new system.
For those of you who have already purchased an AmigaOne system from Eyetech, please locate any receipt that you may have for the machine. If that is not possible then we will work with each of you so that you can also receive what is due you for your purchase and faith in Amiga.
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and yes I verified that it is not a spoof or a joke ;)
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Hey, Mate.
At what TIME did you get that??? I'm just wondering something and I need to know.
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You are lucky I can't sleep tonight ;)
Received it at 11:53PM Eastern Time. It makes me realize that its kinda weird to get a business email that late... but it seems official none the less.
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I guess Bill McEwen read my business proposal, after all. :-D
I sent it to him, today, around 4 pm. That was part of my stipulations.
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Did you get that from Bill's personal email-address??? :-?
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Hey, how do i become a member of this club Amiga? I could use a discount. :-D
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AmigaMance wrote:
Hey, how do i become a member of this club Amiga? I could use a discount. :-D
You can't, anymore, but if this means, what I think it means, you'll be getting new hardware, in less than 3 months and we're not talking about ACK's piece of sh!t.
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I got the same message. It was from webmaster@amiga.com. Datestamp Fri, 04 May 2007 20:54:38 -0700 (I'm in the same zone as Bill, Pacific Daylight Time)
A bit shocking, actually. :-o
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Could I be back into Amiga sales, support and service before next winter? I definitely would like that :)
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Well....I tried posting this, as a news article, but apparently, it's not considered news. I won't go into details on what's in the Business Proposal, but I hope this will make you guys realize what I was trying to do for all of us. I was tired of everyone sitting here, saying "someone should do something". My cover letter. I won't say who all received my proposal, though.
Gentlemen:
Enclosed is an outline of a 3-month, business proposal to resurge the AMIGA BRAND NAME, bringing pride back to all parties involved, the Amiga Community and the outside world, letting all know that the Amiga is not dead, but REFUSING to die, coming back with a VENGANCE. If done correctly, it can resurrect the Amiga name, bringing it back to the spotlight as an underdog, not to be under-estimated anymore. We can once again become a force to be reckoned with. This is our chance. We need to arm ourselves. It's time we start fighting back!
We need to stop the in-fighting, settle our differences and join forces. We are at WAR! This isn't a war between Amigans. This is a war against Apple, Microsoft, Linux and ANY individual or company insolent enough to make negative comments about the Amiga or the people who fiercely support it. Amiga is ready to make a comeback and by all that is holy, I'm DETERMINED to make that happen. We will re-invigorate the AMIGA BRAND NAME to new heights. We will draw new supporters. We will make new partnerships. We will prove, once and for all, that ANYONE who mocks the Amiga will suffer for it.
We need product. We need software. We need people know that we're here to stay and if you don't join with us, you will indeed die a slow, painful death in our re-birth. The Community needs to believe in you. You need to show them it's okay to be PROUD of the Amiga again. Let them know that you won't take this, lying down. Let them know that you're willing to FIGHT for what you believe in.
Take the time to read my proposal. Know that I am an Amiga Community Member. I WANT the Amiga to become the powerful entity it once was and through careful planning, we can make this happen. It will take time. It will be long and arduous, but if you prove that you're for real, this time, the Community will support you. Have faith in me and I will do the one thing that you have yet to do in this battle, we have been fighting, for years.
I'll bring you, your Army.
Come along follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength
Come with me and I won't steer you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
To the light at the end of the tunnel
We gonna fight, we gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march
Through the swamp, we gonna mosh through the marsh
Take us right through the doors
Excerpt, from Emimem's "MOSH".
We all need to get together, for this. Amiga, Inc, Hyperion, VOF, Individual Computers and myself need to discuss our battle plan. We need to make sure that this isn't a smoking gun, like so many promises that have come before. We need the Community to fall in line, behind us. Our voices can be heard and it's time we start SCREAMING, instead of wimpering, like we have, the past, seven years.
Thank you for your time and your consideration. It takes understanding people to hear a complete nobody out.
Sincerely yours,
Martin 'Madin' Jackson
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I would be nice ..once again for the Amiga to take the Video editing/Animation world by storm again!!! All with a GREAT OS.
my2cents...and I look fwd to the new hardware..I got my cash ready!
Check my photos..Im a Fan/user.. and there are lots of US :-) around
the WORLD.
Thanks and take care
Rich from NY
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Vlabguy1 wrote:
I would be nice ..once again for the Amiga to take the Video editing/Animation world by storm again!!!
If they follow my outline, mate, that should start happening, in the next 3 months.
And I appreciate it. I did this, for us.
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@ Thread
I got the same latter.
Good on them. About time the company got a real product out.
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"Remember when computers were fun?? I do..it was called the AMIGA!!"
Quote-Rich from NY.
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SHADES wrote:
@ Thread
I got the same latter.
Good on them. About time the company got a real product out.
Products, Mate. My outline didn't cover one thing. I really hope I'm not wishful thinking. :-(
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Methuselas wrote:
We need to stop the in-fighting, settle our differences and join forces. We are at WAR! This isn't a war between Amigans. This is a war against Apple, Microsoft, Linux and ANY individual or company insolent enough to make negative comments about the Amiga or the people who fiercely support it.
People who froth like you are a bunch of whackos, and AmigaOS and the never-never hardware suggested to run it is so out of date as to be laughable. I've got a better Amiga in WinUAE for the occasional game ('cause buddy boy, the apps sure ain't there) than anyone has even remotely suggested get built in the last ten years.
There. I can be your first target in this insane "war" on other people's opinions of yours.
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@ B00tDisk
Why are you here, then? Poor baby. When *YOU* attempt to do something positive for the community, I *REALLY* want to know about it. :roll:
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Yeah, looks like I've got one too. Better find that Softhut receipt...
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Got the email too. I'd personally prefer to have my coupon back, but hey, I already got a T-Shirt... Who am I to complain? Anyway, I hope Hyperion has planned a driver for the GeForce 6200 cause that's the most powerful graphic card model you'll ever be able to purchase on PCI in the next decades, and for the same price as a Radeon 9250. Of course it's no competition against my X1950 GT AGP but it sure should blow the Jurassic old Permedia 2 (aka BlizzardVision) out of the water.
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@Methuselas
Lots of meaningless words. Zero facts.
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If they follow my outline, mate, that should start happening, in the next 3 months.
And I appreciate it. I did this, for us.
Are you providing financial backing?
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Krashan wrote:
@Methuselas
Lots of meaningless words. Zero facts.
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jahc wrote:
If they follow my outline, mate, that should start happening, in the next 3 months.
And I appreciate it. I did this, for us.
Are you providing financial backing?
I don't have to.
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I got some mail from them too, with the same contents.
We'll see what happens.
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And this proves what? That you have exchanged some e-mails with Bill McEven? I believe in all your words without a need of proofs. The problem is - the part you have exposed contains no facts, just some nice story. I guess you can't reveal any facts yet, so I should not estimate your credibility for now. On the other hand Amiga world is full of void promises, with Amiga Inc. being the top spreader of them. That is why I'm highly sceptical.
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Krashan wrote:
And this proves what? That you have exchanged some e-mails with Bill McEven? I believe in all your words without a need of proofs. The problem is - the part you have exposed contains no facts, just some nice story. I guess you can't reveal any facts yet, so I should not estimate your credibility for now. On the other hand Amiga world is full of void promises, with Amiga Inc. being the top spreader of them. That is why I'm highly sceptical.
I notice your MorphOS avatar. I assume you have a Genesi board. I thought you'd like to know that the ONLY person who didn't respond favorably to my contact, was Bill Buck.
In fact, he didn't even respond at all. Food for thought.
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Have you ever stopped to consider that "BBRV" are serious business people and dont always have time to respond to any old user email?
Also, until many people receive such an email can we deem this info credible.
magentic
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@Methuselas
I notice your MorphOS avatar.
Yes, I'm a MorphOS enthusiast, as this system gives me real Amiga feeling on a relatively fast, high quality and affordable hardware.
I assume you have a Genesi board.
I have three of them.
I thought you'd like to know that the ONLY person who didn't respond favorably to my contact, was Bill Buck.
I can say nothing, not knowing the business part of your plan. The most probable reason is that he does not consider the plan as a serious business oportunity for him. But it is only my wild guess.
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magnetic wrote:
Have you ever stopped to consider that "BBRV" are serious business people and dont always have time to respond to any old user email?
Also, until many people receive such an email can we deem this info credible.
magentic
All I said was that I sent Bill McEwen my proposal, today and that may have had something to do with the emails being sent out. It could be *VERY* coincidental that the email went out the same day as my business proposal, which is why I said "I hope I'm not wishful thinking".
As for BBRV, well everyone else I contacted, responded the same day.
I didn't promise ANYTHING and not keep it. I didn't take your money, for nothing. I didn't do anything to prevent OS4 from coming out. God, are you ALL so soured that you can't just think that I took the initiative and did what everyone wanted someone to do? :lol:
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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@Methuselas
Don't be so nervous. Noone accuses you for void promises, taking our money, or preventing AmigaOS 4 from coming out. I'm just sceptical and a bit ironic on the subject. You are saying, that you took the initiative, but what the initiative is - nobody knows. Also read please a few of your own words:
Well....I tried posting this, as a news article, but apparently, it's not considered news. (amiga.org)
I tried to post this, as a news annoucement, but it was rejected. (amigaworld.net)
Food for thought?
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Krashan wrote:
The most probable reason is that he does not consider the plan as a serious business oportunity for him.
Or it could be that he refused to work with Amiga, Inc. again. He's not exactly known for his "proper" forum activities, constantly slamming Amiga, Inc. I just stated, what I know; that I sent him a request to hear me out, as I did all the parties, involved and he's the only one that didn't respond, at all.
In fact, my original business proposal was to have OS4 ported to Efika, so there would be two, different boards on the market, at the same time. 3, actually, if ACK's boards aren't vapor, but I believe in ACK about as much as I think George W. Bush is the perfect, model President. Then again, ACK wasn't even involved in my final proposal, at all.
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Krashan wrote:
Don't be so nervous. Noone accuses you for void promises, taking our money, or preventing AmigaOS 4 from coming out. I'm just sceptical and a bit ironic on the subject. You are saying, that you took the initiative, but what the initiative is - nobody knows.
*laughing*
I'm not nervous. Well, actually, I am, but not for what you think. I'm nervous that they'll reject it. I don't blame you for being skeptical. I was too. In fact, I started this, the day after the whole Lawsuit fiasco began.
I'm tired of all the BS, you know? Just like everyone else. I just tried to do something about it. That's all.
For what it's worth, I'm really upset I didn't get a response from BBRV, 'cos I was hoping to finally bring the Red and Blue camps together, once and for all. :-( Regardless of what OS you're using, be it OS4, AROS or MorphOS, I still think of us all as Amigans.
If you actually talk to BBRV, please ask him to hear me out and I'll go over my business proposal with him, too. I'd really like to have Genesi on board.
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@Methuselas
Or it could be that he refused to work with Amiga, Inc. again.
It is a perfectly understandable decision, taking Amiga Inc. business records into account.
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@Methuselas:
You've done well writing the e-mail, I can't see how it could hurt the current Amiga situation. I agree with the fact that all Amiga-related parties should join forces instead of irritating eachother over and over again, preventing hardware and software to materialize.
Now the big problem I see in this is that all armies are lead by egos too big to wear a helmet, flexible like a cubic meter of solid steel. Getting those egos to burry their differences and actually start to co-opereate creates the need of a strong, charismatic president, respected by all. Only then I guess their might be a chance of long-term delivery of new products branded Amiga or Amiga-compatible.
My guess would be that the first to deliver new Amiga hardware could well become that president needed. (So Dennis, release the Minimig ;-)).
Personally, my financial situation at the moment is as such that I do have to wait 'till summer just to be able to by a new Amiga so I've no problem to give them another 3 to 4 months the benefit of the doubt.
My half cent
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amiga_3k wrote:
@Methuselas:
You've done well writing the e-mail, I can't see how it could hurt the current Amiga situation. I agree with the fact that all Amiga-related parties should join forces instead of irritating eachother over and over again, preventing hardware and software to materialize.
Thanks. It meant a lot to me. I poured my heart and soul into it.
Now the big problem I see in this is that all armies are lead by egos too big to wear a helmet, flexible like a cubic meter of solid steel. Getting those egos to burry their differences and actually start to co-opereate creates the need of a strong, charismatic president, respected by all. Only then I guess their might be a chance of long-term delivery of new products branded Amiga or Amiga-compatible.
You'd be surprised. At first, everyone was a bit skeptical, except for Bill McEwen. Then, after a few correspondences, they realized that I was trying to do something positive and responded favorably.
Part of my proposal was that Amiga, Inc. polish their tarnished image. I made a point to let them know that we had no faith in them, anymore. That we needed to know that they were for real, this time. I hope I made some head-way.
My guess would be that the first to deliver new Amiga hardware could well become that president needed. (So Dennis, release the Minimig ;-)).
Hans-Joerg told me, in our converstaions, that it would be an estimated 2 months to port OS4 to the "mystery device", possibly less if they got support from Amiga, Inc. As for a "Retro" Amiga, don't worry, it's taken care of. :-)
Personally, my financial situation at the moment is as such that I do have to wait 'till summer just to be able to by a new Amiga so I've no problem to give them another 3 to 4 months the benefit of the doubt.
If they follow my proposal, you're looking at a new board, bundled with OS4, for less than 500$.
[EDIT] - That price on the board, bundled with OS4 depends on whether or not you have a coupon and what version of OS4 you get. My proposal called for two, different Retail Versions.
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Hi!
Just to confirm what you originally asked for in this thread.. Yes, I also got exactly the same message.
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Hi!
Yup, got my email. Don't usually turn my machine so early on a Saturday morning but had to be up early to see a guy about cleaning up the garden!!
So what does it all mean and does it mean anything. Got the tshirt years ago but still haven't had the nerve to wear it in public!
I remember thinking just b4 buying my first PC that if I did buy a PC then the Amiga renaissance would probably be succesful. Proved me wrong so far but we live in hope.
I find using Amiga Forever on the PC and now on my new laptop is great. The speed is amazing and will any new Amiga hardware be as fast?
Happy bank holiday weekend to all UK Amigans.
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In fact, my original business proposal was to have OS4 ported to Efika, so there would be two, different boards on the market, at the same time. 3, actually, if ACK's boards aren't vapor, but I believe in ACK about as much as I think George W. Bush is the perfect, model President. Then again, ACK wasn't even involved in my final proposal, at all.
I appreciate your effort. Please try to stay calm and don't ruin whatever chance you may have by talking too much and too early.
Also note that you are dealing with existing businesses with existing problems and plans, and uniting them may require more than enthusiastic words and creative ideas.
Also note that these emails (I have already complained to Ray about not receiving any despite my MEMBERSHIP!) may to a great degree just be a part of their current projects [Edit: and lawsuits, as was observed elsewhere ;-)].
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@Methuselas
LOL! Welcome back Starke.
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Methuselas wrote:
Well....I tried posting this, as a news article, but apparently, it's not considered news. I won't go into details on what's in the Business Proposal, but I hope this will make you guys realize what I was trying to do for all of us. I was tired of everyone sitting here, saying "someone should do something". My cover letter. I won't say who all received my proposal, though.
[long rhetorical letter snipped]
Hey Methuselas....you wouldn't be related to Starke, would you? :lol: Your writing sounds like him!
I like your enthusiasm, but seriously: if you're under the impression that Bill McEwen read your rally-round-the-flag "proposal" and then only hours later suddenly had a change of heart and decided to issue the coupon rebates, you might be being a litte naive. Again, no offense meant, but this seems highly unlikely.
More likely your "proposal" went straight into his e-mail Trash-bin like the three or four others he gets exactly like it each week. Heck, he might even have a SPAM filter for e-mails with the phrases "Comeback, Rise Again, Show the World", etc. etc.
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@Thread
Wow! This is a suprise!
It makes you wonder why they didn't say a long time ago that they having problems, very sorry and will try to sort everything out when the good times return. It would have saved a lot of grief.
Bty - personally I would rather Bill put my $50 (and the others) towards paying Opera for a port to OS(4 or 5).
:-)
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Methuselas wrote:
You'd be surprised. At first, everyone was a bit skeptical, except for Bill McEwen. Then, after a few correspondences, they realized that I was trying to do something positive and responded favorably.
Were these replies you received really any more substantial than:
"Dear {insert name here},
Thank you for your continued support for {Amiga/Hyperion/Samantha/etc.}. We have forwarded your correspondence to the appropriate department.
Sincerely {Amiga/Hyperion/Samantha/etc.} support staff."?
Do you think that these companies weren't aware of the rift, or bad feelings of the users before? Most of them read the forums and know how we all feel.
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@Methuselas
What exactly is your proposal? I'm sorry but so far it sounds just like the usual "let's conquer the world" pie-in-the-sky Jim Collas type of banter. Could you please be more specific? I don't see how any of this should be a big secret. After all, noone is reading these boards except a bunch of retro die-hards and MorphOS fans.
I think it much more likely the late night emails about the Club Amiga coupons are simply yet another shifting of the shell game of words and empty promises in response to Hyperions' insinuation recently of fraudulent activities by AInc such as Club Amiga, etc. You see there's this general legal principle in contract law called 'the clean hands doctrine'. Basically, if two parties have a contract dispute, a court will not look favorably on a party demonstrating bad behaviour (i.e. dirty hands), in this case AInc's fraudulent marketing schemes where real money passed hands and there was defrauding of the consumer (very bad). Naturally, AInc want to make it appear no fraud really occurred by honoring the coupons now (or at least making it appear so). It's just like the ACK phantom hardware spec., pretending to release hardware mirroring the ACube design to give substance to AInc.'s potential damages claim about 'first to market'. All of this is being done at the request of AInc's legal counsel, you can bank on it. It's all just legal posturing to improve their legal suit against Hyperion.
We are all being so used by AInc in their current lawsuit if we just blindly think their activities right now have *anything* to do with their plans other than to wrest the OS4 IP from Hyperion. That's the goal here, and BBRV got that much right you'd have to admit.
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Ha...Ha ....Bill is running around covering his ass now, to impress the city of Kent eh? Glad to see that maybe all of you long suffering souls, will actually be able to buy something now, I am interested as well, but only in X86 OS or an Amiga with CURRENT specs......we shall see....good luck to everybody!!!
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magnetic wrote:
Have you ever stopped to consider that "BBRV" are serious business people and dont always have time to respond to any old user email?
:roflmao:
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Hmmmm...... maybe I should have bought a dozen of Party-Packs back when Vesalia was selling them at 10Euro a piece .....
Disclaimer:
No I don't believe for a second that AInc is actually gonna honour any coupons anytime.
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@Kronos
Perhaps for old times sake you could do a bet with someone over whether they will honour these coupons. ;-)
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I received the email this morning too.
(http://www.techsupportcomics.com/images/fishy.gif)
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From the wording of the email it sounds like they are only refunding those who bought an A1 or who will buy an ACK board so Kronos was probably wise to miss out on the party packs :-)
I wonder if KennyR will be cashing in his $50 voucher against a nice new ACK system :roll:
BTW I wonder what happened with the guy that won the Club Amiga competition (Mentioned in the photo gallery). Did he ever get his A1? If not, will he now get an ACK board? I wonder if he still even cares.
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Hmmn, that's a lot of wondering.
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BTW I wonder what happened with the guy that won the Club Amiga competition (Mentioned in the photo gallery). Did he ever get his A1? If not, will he now get an ACK board? I wonder if he still even cares.
I thought he was an imaginary person :-P
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So AInc. wants to get clean just because they're going to court..
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Call me a dreamer but I have a strong feeling they will pop up something for us. Will it be good? That we'll have the next 5 years or so to debate in forums and flame at each others while typing on our new Miggy or our PC :lol:
When a company keeps low profile for a while it is normally because they are working on something. Could be a "stock exchange related" silence or a general agreement between involved parties..? Who knows had a few thousand dollars to invest (or waste) in this project? Been a millionnaire I know I would have put those guys to work way earlier!
I am not sure that any of the emails we send Ainc (either flames or flowers) will do any difference since the project mut have been under way for months now. (I hope so cause I don't want a computer designed in 3 months...can't imagine the bugs!..)
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@itix
That would have been sensible considering they were probably never going to send one, but John Hindle (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/photo.php?lid=285&cid=4) is apparently quite real (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1078374097&category=web&number=39#comment).
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Yep, I got an email too. :-)
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Or it could be that they don't have any money at the moment.
When people start coming on this board, such as contractors etc., who say things like 'Hey, I worked for xxx months and never got paid-till now! They just paid me with interest, I'm STOKED on Amiga again!'
Which is what I'll say when they do :-)
Only THEN will I believe the hype, or at least start to want to for real.
Cleaning their hands will involve a lot more than just promising to honor some coupons from 2002.
Wayne will probably mod this for being negative anyway.. :-(
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Yep, I got mine too.
I was shocked. I don't plan to use it now though. I don't have the money these days.
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koaftder wrote:
@Methuselas
LOL! Welcome back Starke.
I've been on Amiga.org, since 1999. I was here BEFORE the great crash of 2002. ;)
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I too have been on this site since before the great gaping hole of 2002. Actually I seem remember to haing to re-register twice around that time.
Anyway to the point. I have actullay read Methuselas's business proproal. It makes a lot of sense and if it can be achieved then I can see how there could be a re-emergance of the platform.
Cut the guy some slack, at least hes actually trying to accmplish something, even if it doesnt work at least he will have tried. All i have seen on this site over the years is people {bleep}ing and backstabbing. I can understand why, but most people are not prepared to do anything about it.
He is also not promising anything. Come on people even if you think its a waste of time, it cant hurt show some support
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Tron2k2 wrote:
Cleaning their hands will involve a lot more than just promising to honor some coupons from 2002.
It's going to take A LOT more. I'm working on it. BTW, I sent you a PM.
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I have actullay read Methuselas's business proproal. It makes a lot of sense and if it can be achieved then I can see how there could be a re-emergance of the platform.
I am a little confused. Some random "John Smith" Amiga user (Methusela) with no financial backing or portfolio in Amiga business circles pops up from out of the blue with a "business proposal" and suddenly Amiga.inc, Hyperion, and other partners are supposed stop, listen and "see the light". It would be great if it was true, but it just seems hard to take seriously.
It's not like those companies are UNAWARE that if they just "all stopped fighting and got along" they could accomplish something. This much is obvious to us, and to them. Unfortunately, there is a deep-rooted animosity between the parties that will take more than a "business proposal" to remedy.
Am I missing something? Is there something more to this business proposal that will "entice" the companies to work together? Does Methusela have a background in accounting, product distrubution, marketing, development?
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I also received an email. After all these years, I'm kind of skeptical.
redfox
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I didn't get the email. Surely because that email address is dead and I can't access my whatever account on Amiga.com anymore to change it. Hopefully, if this email business is truthful, I'll get a piece of paper at the address where my t-shirt finally ended up.
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All I said was that I sent Bill McEwen my proposal, today and that may have had something to do with the emails being sent out. It could be *VERY* coincidental that the email went out the same day as my business proposal, which is why I said "I hope I'm not wishful thinking".
And that is what it most likely is, just a simple coincidence. These mails would have been sent out regardless of your mail in my opinion.
I think it is more about the bad press and reputation that they have been having as of lately and this is simply done to try to fix their image again and i guess they also now got more financial backing than they did in the past.
I just hope it aint just words this time..
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yup got one of those too. bit like that scene at the end of Back to the Future II eh !!
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weirdami wrote:
I didn't get the email. Surely because that email address is dead and I can't access my whatever account on Amiga.com anymore to change it. Hopefully, if this email business is truthful, I'll get a piece of paper at the address where my t-shirt finally ended up.
Just email webmaster@amiga.com. They'll sort it out, for you.
Oh and Bill Buck responded. :) We're going to be discussing this in more detail, in the next couple of days. This is getting even better.
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And that is what it most likely is, just a simple coincidence. These mails would have been sent out regardless of your mail in my opinion.
More likely a response to Hyperion's announcement to raise it as a topic in the lawsuit imho:
"Following over 18 months of unproductive negotiations with Amiga Inc. through our management and attorneys, we welcome the opportunity to finally present our case in a court of law which was regrettably the only remaining avenue after Amiga Inc. repeatedly and consistently stonewalled any attempt to resolve the outstanding issues (including the “Party Pack” and “I am Amiga Club” voucher schemes and the failure to acknowledge the intellectual property rights of third party developers) through mediation and binding arbitration."
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Methuselas wrote:
Oh and Bill Buck responded.
:roll:
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Methuselas wrote:
Well....
[...]
Martin 'Madin' Jackson
i just don't get why you're trying to help inc, and why if you really _do_ want to help the amiga community, you're talking to inc at all
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I'd just like to confirm that I also received the e-mail from Amiga Inc., like the original poster.
I'm amazed. Apart from the surprise arrival of the T-Shirt some years ago, I haven't heard from them since they last publushed Club Amiga Magazine, in 2003, I think.
It's great that something seems to be happening! :-)
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sir_inferno wrote:
i just don't get why you're trying to help inc, and why if you really _do_ want to help the amiga community, you're talking to inc at all
Who said I'm helping them? I did this because I want a new amiga. The fact that they could stand to make money off it, is incentive. ;-)
Aren't any of you pissed off that they're suing each other, but Amiga, Inc. is spending money on a Stadium? Aren't any of you mad that you haven't gotten anything for your "Club Amiga" purchase? Is there even a "Club Amiga" left? What about the people that bought the "Party Packs"? What about the people who purchased Amithlon and now can't use it, since Amiga, Inc. never got a "licensing fee" from Haage & Partner for OS3.9 or the Kickstart ROMs. Amithlon never got substantial upgrades for it, because of it and Bernie Myer completely lost out on it? How about people like Bolton Peck, who WON their case and still haven't received compensation?
And last, but so not least, ow about the people who spent a grand on a shoddy motherboard, but now, they don't get their copy of OS4 until Amiga, Inc. who sues for it, neverminding the fact that Amiga, Inc. claims in their lawsuit, that the motherboard you bought from one of their partners through a "license", isn't an "Amiga One" anymore.
So, they sold you product you could never use.
:roll:
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robo-ant wrote:
I'm amazed. Apart from the surprise arrival of the T-Shirt some years ago, I haven't heard from them since they last publushed Club Amiga Magazine, in 2003, I think.
It's great that something seems to be happening! :-)
I rest my case. ;)
*snort*
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I received my email at 1.56pm on Saturday the 5th
Haven't a clue where my receipt is . I did receive a tshirt :-)
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Didn't get the email, then again I don't have an amiga.org email address anymore. Though I did get my T-shirt.
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koaftder wrote:
@Methuselas
LOL! Welcome back Starke.
That's what I was thinking, except Meth's seems slightly less nutty, like a Starke who's been taking (most of) his meds.
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Seriously, writing a few emails isnt going to change anything.
I suspect Ainc is presently very busy...
...trying to look like a competent company in light of oncoming legal challenges? Dont be too disappointed when its over, if normal in-activity resumes. :-P
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... and there goes another of Hyperions arguments/claims away ...
Following over 18 months of unproductive negotiations with Amiga Inc. through our management and attorneys, we welcome the opportunity to finally present our case in a court of law which was regrettably the only remaining avenue after Amiga Inc. repeatedly and consistently stonewalled any attempt to resolve the outstanding issues (including the “Party Pack” and “I am Amiga Club” voucher schemes and the failure to acknowledge the intellectual property rights of third party developers) through mediation and binding arbitration.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46963 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46963)
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coldfish wrote:
Seriously, writing a few emails isnt going to change anything.
I suspect Ainc is presently very busy...
...trying to look like a competent company in light of oncoming legal challenges? Dont be too disappointed when its over, if normal in-activity resumes. :-P
Exactly... Anyone expecting anything more really should look back over the past 7 years.
Now more than ever people should be wanting to take control of the Amgia platform for themselves.. the option is there, true it's recently had a slight name change (which might confuse a few people), but it's there and everyone is free use it!!! :-D
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I agree that Open source is really the only viable option for a hobby platform. However, AROS* simply isn't ready yet and there is a lot of software missing (And I'm not talking OpenOffice/FireFox here). Things are most certainly improving, but there is still some way to go.
Having said all that there is a possibility that there might be an interesting AROS-related development later on in the year.
*Otherwise known as AROSROSROSROSROSROSROS... ;-)
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uncharted wrote:
I agree that Open source is really the only viable option for a hobby platform. However, AROS* simply isn't ready yet and there is a lot of software missing (And I'm not talking OpenOffice/FireFox here). Things are most certainly improving, but there is still some way to go.
As an OS it's pretty much there now... just wating on Michal's OHCI driver, really...
Perhaps an Audit of what software is needed would a good idea?
Having said all that there is a possibility that there might be an interesting AROS-related development later on in the year.
You know it ;-)
I expect AROS to really gain momentum once the PPC and 68k versions are publicly available... thus allowing anti x86 users to enjoy it :-)
*Otherwise known as AROSROSROSROSROSROSROS... ;-)
Hahahahah :-)
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I don't even know if I still have the email address from the $50 coupon days. Don't remember what I was using back then.
And I'd be curious to know how serious this is. If Amiga Inc. is setting the proce of the system, they could choose the price they want to sell it for, claim it's worth $50 more than that, and in the end get exactly the price they wanted in the first place. And get $50 additional from people who don't have a coupon but lack any other shopping options. Wooooooo!
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Methuselas wrote:
Just email webmaster@amiga.com. They'll sort it out, for you.
Oh and Bill Buck responded. :) We're going to be discussing this in more detail, in the next couple of days. This is getting even better.
REAL SOON NOW!!!!!
JUST TWO MORE WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!
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Tchah ! Where is Starke now that his dreams are coming true :crazy:
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Homer wrote:
Tchah ! Where is Starke now that his dreams are coming true :crazy:
His job here is done. He's currently resurrecting some other dead platform, I heard.
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Methuselas wrote:
And last, but so not least, ow about the people who spent a grand on a shoddy motherboard, but now, they don't get their copy of OS4 until Amiga, Inc. who sues for it, neverminding the fact that Amiga, Inc. claims in their lawsuit, that the motherboard you bought from one of their partners through a "license", isn't an "Amiga One" anymore.
So, they sold you product you could never use.
:roll:
the solution to that last matter is relatively simple...
/me points to "amiga os4 developer prerelease.iso" on tah interweb
:roll:
i certainly would've done that by now...despite any anti-piracy tendencies i might have
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Well, no I didnt get an E-Mail!
Then again I have probibly changed my E-Mail address several time since giving AInc my $50.00 as well as buying the ¨Party Pack¨.
Can´t find my original E-Mail from them with my login details and havent visited the site for a few years now.
Oh well, will see if I can get an answer if I E-mail someone at AInc. (Boy am I an optimist).
Ciao,
Trev Daley.
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I didnt get a email..but then again, I didnt fall for it. :crazy:
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I have still my email account, but no email from Amiga Inc. Luckily I have the original e-mail. I have sent the webmaster an e-mail asking for my account details. Here is what my e-mail looked like (I have edited out the personal info):
-----Original Message-----
From: Amiga Inc. [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002
To:
Subject: Amiga Inc. Customer Receipt/Purchase Confirmation
Amiga Inc. thanks you for your purchase. If you have any questions about your order, please contact websales@amiga.com. You may contact us through our contact web site http://www.amiga-anywhere.com.
========= GENERAL INFORMATION =========
Merchant : Amiga Inc.
Date/Time : 19-Jul-2002
========= ORDER INFORMATION =========
Invoice :
Description : AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4.0 $50 Coupon (qty of 1, line total $50.00); Amount : 50.00 (USD) Payment Method :
======== BILLING INFORMATION ========
Customer ID :
First Name :
Last Name :
Company :
Address :
City :
State/Province :
Zip Code :
Country :
Phone :
Fax :
E-Mail :
======= SHIPPING INFORMATION ========
First Name :
Last Name :
Company :
Address :
City :
State/Province :
Zip Code :
Country :
Sincerely,
The Amiga Team
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Methuselas,
All I said was that I sent Bill McEwen my proposal, today and that may have had something to do with the emails being sent out. It could be *VERY* coincidental that the email went out the same day as my business proposal, which is why I said "I hope I'm not wishful thinking".
So whatever became of this, whatever it was?
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@ methuselas
Yo Bro....whats in that straw on your avatar?