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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmiDelf on May 03, 2007, 07:01:36 PM
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Firstly, I would like to say that I am no pro or anti BBRV person. I just want to say that he have done lots to bind red and blue side. He is active and is one of the more capable persons to be able to own Amiga rights. Why? Because it seems that he is interested in the community,.. Because is active on the Amiga/MorphOS forums and because he have shown so many times that he got pation for Amiga. Why? I dont know ;)
Since 2005, I`ve been an MorphOS user and will never regret my decision of changing from thinking OS4 to MorphOS. It made my life much better, as MorphOS gave me everything that AmigaOS does.
I am no coder, but I love the way things works. Full multitasking, great looking desktop and top of all things MUI4!... Without BBRV, this wouldnt have been so strong named everywhere. It seems that the spirit is within that person I think.
So what do I want with this BBRV post? I want to tell how great this person is (as far as I think) and how much effort and time he have used to show that the community is important. Even though he might be a ghost or even a person that just writes things to troll, he is active and he tells me that Genesi wants to stay with Amiga. He shows that he is interested in participating with the community, even though I have and still have some thoughts about his views and futureviews. He gets me the impression, that if he gets Amiga rights and trademarks, he will make Amiga to a great name. Though I think a bit of BBRV as a politician sometimes, which says lots and then when he gets it all screw it up,...
..., but I dont think so. I dont know what sort of imagination or thinking you have about BBRV. But I think of him as Steve Jobs with Bill Gates vibes :) With this I want to say that he could do a lot positive for Amiga. I dont know if you remember Jim Collas. I think that BBRV is sorta person which can connect and provide all Amigans a great future, because of the passion and care! I just hope this is true.. I see what I believe,...
Conclusion to all this, .. goal is to be seen, get marked, work tougether, create something.. Not closing the potential users outside like McEwen does. He never writes to the community or gives people any spirit. I hope to see things happening soon, as Amiga/MorphOS is so much brilliant life of coders and users. I admire every person supporting this community and that I hope that BBRV or ANY other marketing sense people would or will take advantage of and give Amiga community what they want.
-* Amiga alive! *-
Regards,
Michal
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I think there are a lot of people (who didnt get paid ainc stylie) on this forum who might disagree with you on a few things. Wayne being one of them. MorphOS devs for another.
Yes they have actually produced something, but he/they are just as guilty at splitting the community further, mud-slinging an generaly wining people up.
I am basicaly no fan of either ainc, BBRV, hyperion, ACK they are all guilty of emty promises. Im still ot on ACUBE as they have yet to really dissapoint
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yes, MorphOS is the best thing to happen to the amiga since well 1995....
Why we even care about INC or McEwen is beyond me! If you want a NEW amiga like computer guess what it exists you can buy it.... so "just do it".
For those that think OS4 and some INC hardware is the only true amiga... well there is no hope for you.
If you happen tohave been working on OS4, that cool, sorry that everybody is getting screwed, consider developiing for morph os.
@JJ
there are two sides to ever argument. I'm not convinved that Waynes story is right, but I don't know. Fact is there are alot fewer people out there that are owed money by genisi... genisi aslo has been producing products for the community and have not been playing a shell games with there company.... The INC/McEwen story well.....
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BBRV & AI did wrong when it came to paying people no doubt. As for not paying, what can I say..when you dont have money, get sued..then what happens in court happens. Businesses fold all the time and owe money..declare bankruptcy and leave people pissed off. Whats done is done.
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But when it comes to Amiga, him and Raquel have a passion for it. I sat with him once and talked about AI, Genesi, MOS etc, he's very knowledgeable and determined. I think he did the right thing by being a hardware supplier and staying out of the OS wars so to speak. If you get a chance to meet him in person he's a nice guy to talk to..been around for many years in the Amiga classic scene.
Seriously, set the hate aside and think about it. Who's product is still around? Take the blue pill, you'll like it..when the red pill is for sale again and funds are available, buy the red pill too.
-Alex
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To be a truly successful businessman you need to do dirty things. Thats just the way it is.
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BBRV makes Amiga community walk I think?
Not if *I* have anything to say about it.
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@cv643d
thats funny becasue neither bill M or bill B have manged to be very successfull but both play dirty.....
I think to be a good business man you have to understand your business better than others and be ahead of the game, most importantly you must have product!
@meth
with all due resect... what are you going to do? If it scecrt and you can't tell us.. then don't if you need the community support well guess what... tell us what you want to do!
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cv643d wrote:
To be a truly successful businessman you need to do dirty things. Thats just the way it is.
Sorry you see things that way. There's very successful business above and beyond that sort of thing.
Fester
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The past is the past, which strangely Amiga Inc supporters have been saying about Amiga Inc for years but in Genesi`s case. Lets bring up their past mistakes to slag them down.
Bill Buck delivers products and that is all what matters, the trio should have done the same thing instead of showing everyone how amateurish they really are.
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(Yawn)
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@TheMagicM
Who's product is still around? Take the blue pill, you'll like it..when the red pill is for sale again and funds are available, buy the red pill too.
Also the blue pill isn't for sale at the moment. Both OS4 and Morphos don't have any new hardware to run on. Sorry, but after 19 years in Amigaland, I stopped bothering about "announced" products or operating systems.
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cv643d wrote:
To be a truly successful businessman you need to do dirty things. Thats just the way it is.
Hmmm, actually, I would say the opposite is true, at least in the small business world. (Obviously, there's no "cut and dry" formula that guarantees success, but my viewpoint is that those who conduct business with ethical standards are "on the average" more likely to succeed. Once again, I'm talking small business here, where hopefully one can stay afloat without courts and lawyers getting involved.)
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Thanks for all. I think that passion and bussines leads to victory. And especially when it comes to be active on forums and blogg.
They have both done bad things, but BBRV is standing on his feets it seems. He contribute and shows that he is dedicated. Thats what I like about him.
Regards,
Michal
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BBRV is a Personal Attack.
The Personal Attack did nothing but divide the community in a time when we should have come together (4 years ago now?). In hindsight (and I was against this) we should have gone x86 but no-one could see through the red/blue mist at the time..
He arrives, distributes his Profanity, winds everyone up and then buggers off to watch the turmoil.
Do NOT trust this man... I know everyone is clutching at straws to get some hardware and an OS released... I feel the same, but following this man is not the way.
Let Ainc & Hyperion have their day in court, come what may.. and take it from there... I don't like it, you don't like it.. but it's the way it is.. and WE can't change that.
Just don't let this flim flam man into your head....
Regards
Sky
Edited by Argo
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@Skyraker
That's a personal attack...
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@sky
But I should trust you? What products have you put on the market? Now you flip flop, I knew 4 years ago the PPC was a silly and expence route to go....
You look and sound like a troll.
At least morph is out there with hardware and it would apear to be a cool system.... much better than what the red camp has so far... I am willing to say the blue team has won, red is out.
no bonus round. (red coud benifit form some training)
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@bloodline
You're damn right...
Are you all goldfish? 2 minute memory? or are you all suffering from gurus?
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Skyraker wrote:
@bloodline
You're damn right...
Are you all goldfish? 2 minute memory? or are you all suffering from gurus?
Hey I don't care about you opinion of BBRV or Amiga Inc or Hyperion... I have nothing to do with any of them... but this site does have posting rules... perhaps you could rephrase your opinion more passively?
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@guru-666
What have I delivered? The same as every other long suffering member of this this community...
Hope , hope and more bloody hope!
I'm not a troll (as such) i'm usually very neutral (as in Hyperion & Ainc.. come what may) but I know Bucky... sod it.. find out your own way.....
Don't trust me, please don't .. have no answer... just don't trust Bill Buck... you're asking to be buggered (literally) without a condom if dance with the devil...
@Bloodline
Dude, I knew you from years back... and you were never this PC.
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@Skyraker
I know everyone is clutching at straws to get some hardware and an OS released... I feel the same, but following this man is not the way.
"Following this man"? Sorry, but my interest is primarily to run an Amiga- or Amigalike operating system, not to buy into an ideology of a businessman.
We are giving the marketing and business-guys way too much credit by making them a central topic of discussion way too often (this thread is a good example).
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At least morph is out there with hardware and it would apear to be a cool system.... much better than what the red camp has so far... I am willing to say the blue team has won, red is out.
no bonus round. (red coud benifit form some training)
OMG, listen to yourself.. red camp and blue camp... 10 frigging minutes he's here for and you're off again.. it's not 2001 anymore.. it's 2007 and we're witness to the deathbed of the greatest OS ever seen.
Red camp... christ on a bike!
See what he does?
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@sky
dear troll. You are not aware that you can buy hardware to run morphOS , which you can get free. What more would you like?
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You are not aware that you can buy hardware to run morphOS , which you can get free.
Morphos isn't released for Efika yet. Neither OS4 nor Morphos currently have any new hardware to run on.
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cv643d wrote:
To be a truly successful businessman you need to do dirty things. Thats just the way it is.
Rubbish - particularly in the CE channels.
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@Skyraker
You're starting to sound obsessive and just plain freaky. So much hate. Is it really worth getting into tizz about?
I don't like the guy either. But, well, meh!
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@Skyraker
Buck delivers products unlike those brothers
Edited by Argo: Personal Attack
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bloodline wrote:
@Skyraker
That's a personal attack...
not if it's true....which it is.
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@guru
dear troll. You are not aware that you can buy hardware to run morphOS , which you can get free. What more would you like?
An Amiga?
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guru-666 wrote:
@meth
with all due resect... what are you going to do? If it scecrt and you can't tell us.. then don't if you need the community support well guess what... tell us what you want to do!
Why is it everyone ends up referring to me, as "Meth". I must be addictive, like a drug.
It's not what I'm going to do, it's what I'm currently doing. There's a difference. Doing something means I am working on a compromise, right now.
I need the Community to support me, greatly, but I also need you guys to calm down and be patient. You've waited years, what's a few more days? Just hold on. I promise that if I pull this off, it's worth the wait.
As for what I want you to do, it's simple. Support the fact that I'm trying to do something, for all of us. I'm one of you. I haven't lied to you, or taken your money, or promised something, I didn't deliver. I've only asked that you guys (and gals - No Chauvenists We!) be a bit paitent.
For what it's worth and for all that I can tell you, all parties, save one, have responded favorably to my actions. The one, hasn't responded.
Yet....
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Skyraker wrote:
it's 2007 and we're witness to the deathbed of the greatest OS ever seen.
Amiga isn't dead, yet. It's still got a pulse, but a faint one.
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Glittering wrote:
@Skyraker
Buck delivers products unlike those brothers, i bet they could not even deliver a fresh turd after taking laxatives.
??????
Have you seen OS4???
There's nothing to be ashamed of there. It works fine.
There's no need to attack any of the OS's. I have a peg, and while it's not perfect, it does works very nicely. I have seen OS4 develop steadily. It's stable. AROS is developing very nicely also. We have various flavors of Amiga out there to play around with.
the situation is certainly not ideal, but with persistence we will continue to have Amiga around. Just stop dreaming of some Giant OverTaking.
I really don't care what bbrv do - I just ask that no one take on employment and expect to get paid. I just wouldn't want anyone to go through that hell.
If bbrv come up with some HW and it looks good, feel free to check it out. If someone comes out with HW for OS4, check that out as well.
and, THAT ladies and gentleman, is the only thing that matters.
stop looking to a Leader. we are Amiga. we need no leaders.
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This seems pretty simple to me, you take what you can get.
Morph comes out on EFIKA and runs decent, then buy an EFIKA for fun.
Genesi produces a Peg III and it runs Morph, well then thats worth consideration.
Hyperion and ACube start selling machines with OS 4 that runs and works, then I'd consider that. SAM seems like a solid hardware concept.
Amiga and ACK come out with their $490 machine working with OS 4 then I'm all for that.
The problem is so many of these companies are acting like little children and are strangling growth.
So BBRV, float some more cash to the Morph team and give them a kick in the butt for the EFIKA-capable version of Morph to be done!
Amiga, use that millions you have to friggin buy out Hyperion or something instead of this silly Kent, WA arena thing or lawsuit! Make the problem go away, this way you can sell right away using ACK and ACube as two hardware vendor choices.
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So where can i purchase OS4 and OS4 compatible hardware from? NOWHERE whatsoever, thats is not what i would class as an achievement of any kind. A hardware less OS in 2007 is a total failure and that is putting it mildly.
The companies involved have screwed up since the start, how anyone can even slag off Genesi after seeing the amazing trio in action is a mystery.
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@ glittering
Are you in the guiness book of world records. Twice I would imagine.
1) The worlds most predictable troll
2) The most boring person in the World
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This seems pretty simple to me, you take what you can get.
Exactly. And besides AmigaForever, we can't get _anything_ at the moment. Yet people still feel the need to have lengthy discussions only about _Egos_. Personally I don't give a flying Profanity about them and couldn't care less about fluffy blog or forum posts.
The first company that brings some Amiga-compatible hardware to the table get's my money. Pretty simple. Oh yeah, some warranty would be great too. ;-)
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@jj
If people would stop with the blind hyperion defending and very harsh Amiga Inc/Genesi bashing, i would not even be posting, but hypocrisy is still very strong in amigaland.
It goes to show no matter how bad a company is in the amigaland they still get brown nosed unconditionally while companies what actual do something end up attacked.
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As I have stated several times, I do not give a flying fudge about any of these companies.
Compared to these lot, commodore actually seem good
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Glittering wrote:
@jj
If people would stop with the blind hyperion defending and very harsh Amiga Inc/Genesi bashing, i would not even be posting, but hypocrisy is still very strong in amigaland.
It goes to show no matter how bad a company is in the amigaland they still get brown nosed unconditionally while companies what actual do something end up attacked.
no one is bashing the coders that made MOS and no one should bash the coders that made OS4! THEY are the only ones who have done the hard work!
why are you blaming "hyperion" for a lack of HW????
that isn't their business. They made the OS. and THAT has been done.
My "negative" comments were only about the persons who ripped people off - and that is unrelated to any operating system.
that has to do with a lack of ethics.
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Ceci,
It's *SO* good to see you around here again. :-D I assumed you were off doing clandestine operations for the American Government, after your successful black-op against the Amiga, Inc. office in NY. :lol:
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Methuselas wrote:
Ceci,
It's *SO* good to see you around here again. :-D I assumed you were off doing clandestine operations for the American Government, after your successful black-op against the Amiga, Inc. office in NY. :lol:
Thank you, yes, I have been doing my "james Bond" thing.
Very busy with projects, health and etc.
I do wish people would take a step back and realize that some things they are whining about are a waste of time. And that things are not really AS bad as they think.
Because we have the internet we have been able to keep the Amiga alive even while there's a lack of software and then hardware....Being able to communicate and exchange creative projects is REALLY what matters and in that respect Amiga is alive and well.
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@Skyraker
you don't have an amiga? No wonder you are such a sad troll
@Methuselas
sure you have my support, but I find it frustrating to hear your call for support with no idea what I could do to help as I have no idea what youare up to. Why not say anything at all untill you have it sorted out? Right now youare builing hopes of god knows what. I also don't understand how we can help you at this point other than moral support, which I guess I can give you. --> go get em tiger!<--
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guru-666 wrote:
@Methuselas
I also don't understand how we can help you at this point other than moral support, which I guess I can give you. --> go get em tiger!<--
Believe it or not, Mate, that's what I need, most of all. I need the Community behind a fellow Amigan, who's trying to undue all the damage that has been done.
After tomorrow, I'll be able to talk more. I promise.
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why are you blaming "hyperion" for a lack of HW????
that isn't their business. They made the OS. and THAT has been done.
They wont hand over the OS to Amiga Inc, so no new hardware will be made available till the matter is sorted out. That is completely hyperions fault for trying to claim ownership for something which is not theirs. Hopefully they will be destroyed in court.
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Glittering wrote:
They wont hand over the OS to Amiga Inc, so no new hardware will be made available till the matter is sorted out. That is completely hyperions fault for trying to claim ownership for something which is not theirs. Hopefully they will be destroyed in court.
Mate, are you EyeAm????? :-o Seriously?? You sound just like him.
"Hopefully, they will be destroyed in court". How quaint.
Hopefully, it will never come to that.
-M
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Bill Buck delivers products and that is all what matters
Where is MorphOS ?
Heres a proposition :
Get BB to create a new BASIC programming language for Amiga OS 3.9 - say a cross between Visual Basic and Blitz Basic.
Achieve that then I will believe BB supports Amiga OS and I will buy his products, otherwise its a TOTAL NO NO.
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Idea of getting BlizBasic (expecially BlitzMax since it's portable and been ported to LInux and OSX) ported back to Amiga/MorphOS ain't a new one, but I can't remember it ever been seriously attempted.
Anyhow, it would be nice program to have.
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Morphos isn't released for Efika yet. Neither OS4 nor Morphos currently have any new hardware to run on.
But it is proven that developer versions of MorphOS 1.5 are running on Efika. I can be sure of it, as I have one. Efika is existing and working hardware (check (http://teleinfo.pb.edu.pl/phpsysinfo), this host is running on Efika), not some sheet of paper containing specifications.
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@ Krashan:
nobody is doubting a EFIKA running on the web..you're running Linux. Not MorphOS 1.5 on it.
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But it is proven that developer versions of MorphOS 1.5 are running on Efika. I can be sure of it, as I have one.
I have never doubted that. However the fact that developer versions are running on it does not have an automatic implication on the release date to end-users. Morphos 1.5 has been shown running on Pegasos for >3 years now (!) (http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2004-03-00047-EN.html), but it still isn't available to end-users.
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by Skyraker on 2007/5/3 17:21:25
Are you all goldfish? 2 minute memory? or are you all suffering from gurus?
Is it us, or is it you? Could it be just you that is blinded all these years about AI/Hyperion/Eyetech and their lies and spin? I'm not saying BBRV are angels, but more people now understand just who the RFBs are and it's not BBRV. Had the little General not had his nose jammed up Fleecy's butt, you would not only had OS4 years earlier, but on stable hardware. Yes, some RFBs did cause you years of grief and it's those who you supported. Dude, you have been betrayed.
Dammy
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Hi Dammy, we have never met Skyraker in person or on the phone. We traded a few emails with him over the years. We posted a picture of him once. Here it is:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/90/248391754_dcc55366fd_m.jpg)
In the meanwhile, we are in Brussels...
R&B :-)
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Well... One way or another lets hope there's something to see & buy at BB5
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I agree with the following of the Carl Sassenrath interview...
What do you think about the new Amiga NG : AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 and Pegasos/MorphOS ? Are you interesting and do you guess they will have future ?
It is difficult to know for sure. Six months ago I attended the AmiWest show to find out more. OS4 looks very cool from the demos that I saw, but there was a lack of quality hardware to run it on. I asked many questions at the show and found that the general attitude of users was that there was no viable Amiga hardware available ! The hardware either did not work properly, could not get finished and delivered, or was too expensive. Most users were quite disappointed.
Of course, to me the hardware exception seems to be Genesi, which in fact sent me a working system that was well constructed. However, it only had Linux running, so I have never actually used MorphOS or OS4. It would be quite interesting if that hardware could run AmigaOS 4, but I do not have the time to experiment to get it running (and, I know that there are serious legal issues between the various related companies. That is too bad, but it is reality).
I have to add a personal opinion, that may not like to certain people:
Both AmigaOS4 and MorphOS aren't serious or proffesional solutions at this moment, but just two operating systems for hobbylists and nostalgic people. Both operating systems lack a lot of modern features and apps, even available for other minimalist alternative platforms.
Most important companies had done too much damage to the Amiga community, releasing poor quality products or a bad attitude. Neither Amiga, Inc, Genesi, Hyperion and Eyetech are good companies for the Amiga community. Genesi initially did some good for MorphOS, but the project still lacks any realistic future beyond being a HobbyOS. Just don't trust on those mentioned companies, after people not giving money to them they will make their products a lot better if wanting to get the bucks again.
I think people actually in the Amiga community sometimes forget the reality and has too many illusions. They can be scammed by some oportunists or pay for stuff that may be abandoned easily.
If Amiga wants to reborn in a sane and realistic way, the community must support very strongly the AROS Project. There is where innovation must go, instead two different propietary OSes that who knows if someday gets abandoned. Then those propietary OSes can get the code for improving their flavors and maybe giving something in exchange.
Just look at BeOS...
Haiku (initially named OpenBeos) was born because the desire of many BeOS devs (even some of the original BeOS ones) to avoid the death of their loved OS.
Zeta appeared in the scene, with a very gray legallity. Shortly after, Zeta was clearly an illegal product and was abandoned.
Haiku is still progressing very nicely and not suffered the problems of Zeta at all. The future of this project is becoming even more bright, with a "Zeta substitute" called Haiku Max or some other name.
Alternative platforms just can survive if becoming open-source centric, as this development model is a lot cheaper and the collaborative way makes it progress a lot better.
Here's the final words: Avoid the fanatism, avoid the hating and the splitting. This community must recover the common sense and join the forces to some viable future, instead fake promises, overpriced buggy products and scams. It's time to fix the errors from their community and companies, instead living this nightmare while seeing the Amiga community living in an agony. Who knows, maybe Amiga must die totally for reborn like a phoenix.