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Title: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 10:27:41 AM
(http://files.frashii.com/~sp00nz/Doom/images/whdload.jpg)


I have been tinkering with UAEX on the XBOX, and UAE on Winblows and have run into a problem that maybe someone could understand.

 I installed Citadel, but when I went to load it, it gave me the error, that you see in the pic above

 Yet when I play it from ADF image I have no problems. I have tried many different configurations with no luck, you got any clues?

Thankx!
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: Desolator on June 17, 2003, 10:31:58 AM
If you are running it through WHDLOAD you need the kickstart file. If you got a real A500 then you can extract it from it. I think there is a readme over at the WHDLOAD site that tells you how to obtain the file needed.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: xeron on June 17, 2003, 10:45:23 AM
You need an A500 kickstart file, and you need to get SKick from aminet as well (it contains relocation tables for a bunch of kickstarts).
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 10:45:29 AM
What Kickstart ROM, I have 3.0 and 3.1 and like I said this game runs off of ADF image just fine. I don't understand.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 10:47:53 AM
Wait so you are saying I need Kickstart 2.0? In that case I can't do anything cause I have to have OS 3.1 installed.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: Desolator on June 17, 2003, 10:49:11 AM
Buy the Amiga Forever CD and you'll get all kickstarts from version 1.1 up to 3.1 :)

(and a nice emulator along... ;) )
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: xeron on June 17, 2003, 10:51:02 AM
Even if the game works fine normally, if the WHDLoad installer has been written in such a way that it sets up a "virtual" kickstart 1.3 machine, WHDLoad needs the kickstart image.

I don't know why the slave author chose to do that, but he did, so you need a Kickstart 1.3 image in Devs:Kickstarts/

Most WHDLoad installers don't need it, but some do.

You don't need to boot UAE with the 1.3 kickstart; WHDLoad will load and relocate a 1.3 kickstart when you run the game.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 11:08:22 AM
Ok I have downloaded this SKICK program, and have a 1.3 kickstart rom named : kick13.rom

in devs/kickstarts

now what? :)



















Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: Mad-Matt on June 17, 2003, 11:24:41 AM
you should also copy over the matching .RTB file.

Kickdos is very usefull in whd as it simplifies writting of the loader no end.

Setup the virtual Amiga with kick1.3 or 3.1 (depending on game needs), then its just a case of booting the disk image or using the virtual hd if files are used. All thats needed then is the code to tell the slave how to boot the image or files (name of exe ect .)

 Some games get away with no need of patching, but its always nice to have fixes included in the loader.

Matt
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Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 11:40:39 AM
Hmm ok I did that and renamed Kickstart 1.3 to kick34005.500 but now I get some new funky error. I think I am going to give up on this. Not too impressed with WHDLoad thus far, most games don't seem to work, and if they do, you seem to have to go through hell to get there.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: Desolator on June 17, 2003, 11:45:14 AM
Its only a few games that require some tweaking to get it to run with WHDLoad, atleast as far as I have experienced it.

You could always go to www.back2roots.org and check out their HD-installed games directory since a lot of those are WHDLoad'ed and executes perfectly. :)
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: Mad-Matt on June 17, 2003, 11:53:31 AM
Its quite wrong to blame whd when your running on a pretty new emu environment ;)

use a real amiga ! and ya problem with be gone forever:)
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 11:55:49 AM
I had trouble with it on my real Amiga too. :/

 Course I am going to keep trying, but I really feel like giving up, unfortu\natly, my nature does not allow it.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 01:18:14 PM
Hmm, figured I'd give Shadow Of THe Beast a go. But it claims that the disc images are corrupt, so I download another set of adf images, and they are supposed to be corrupted, so I download another and another, and they are all corrrupted, yet amazingly enough, the damn game plays perfectly if you just boot it off adf. Man I dunno about this thing.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: xeron on June 17, 2003, 01:20:52 PM
Most WHDLoad installs only work with the original disks. Most ADFs on the net are cracks. Some installers have been updated to support the legalised cracks from back2roots.org, but in general WHDLoad installs only install the original, uncracked versions. This is A) because the installer slave author cannot be expected to support all the different cracks out there and B) WHDLoad is not a tool for piracy.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 01:43:05 PM
ok that makes sence. Guess I am going to have to pick up an old 600 off the net and dig out those old floppys. :)
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: lempkee on June 17, 2003, 01:51:39 PM
imho using whdload for emus is plain stupid.

whdload is for the rEAL amigas to work when our machines are too heavyly expanded.

and most of all "it uses orginals , and how do u install orginals on a pc without an amiga floppydrive???? .... "

i use whdload everyday, i am one of the big suppliers of orginals (i have over 1500 boxed orginal games) and i love it , what you showed in this post earlier is just a minor issue and a normal one for newbies at whdload, the docs explain everything about all the roms and how, and all installers say in the readme if the darn slave needs it or NOT)

anyway welcome as an whdload user, but remebr this is ment to be for REAL amiga's not emus .., the only good thing u can do with whdload at a emu atm is grabbing snapshots much more easier unlike on our real AMIGA's.

have fun and dont diss the whdload as there is no reason to at all, its wonderfull
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: xeron on June 17, 2003, 01:58:55 PM
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lempkee wrote:
imho using whdload for emus is plain stupid.


Not if you want to be able to run your games from inside WinUAE, rather than selecting ADF.

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whdload is for the rEAL amigas to work when our machines are too heavyly expanded.


That is one of its uses, yes.

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and most of all "it uses orginals , and how do u install orginals on a pc without an amiga floppydrive???? .... "


WinUAE supports the catweasle PCI card. Also, you can WHDLoad install it on a real Amiga, then transfer the installed game to the PC.

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... blah blah blah ...
roms and how, and all installers say in the readme if the darn slave needs it or NOT)


Calm down! Theres no need to be so hostile.

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anyway welcome as an whdload user, but remebr this is ment to be for REAL amiga's not emus ..,


Its meant for everybody.

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 the only good thing u can do with whdload at a emu atm is grabbing snapshots much more easier unlike on our real AMIGA's.


Eh? :-? How is it any easier to grab screenshots in UAE with a WHDLoaded game than an ADF loaded game? its exactly the same!

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have fun and dont diss the whdload as there is no reason to at all, its wonderfull


He's entitled to his opinion. WHDLoad is a fantastic thing, and I use it to play games on my A4000 and A1500, but setting up some installs is a tricky business, and can be confusing. Give the guy a break!
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 02:07:56 PM
He he, gotta love people. :)

 Well I'll be honest, now that Tickly  explained things to me about WHDLoad not liking cracked disks, I can see why a lot of my past attempts failed. Though don't get me wrong, not all of my Amiga software is or was copies, I did spend a lot of cash on my stuff, thus supporting the companies as a loyal cultist should, despite the fact that that many of those companies took my money and invested it into making more games for the PC, and left Amiga.

 Anyhow it is good to see there are still a few people out there who take the little things too seriosly, it gives the rest of us something to laugh at. :)
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: Desolator on June 17, 2003, 02:08:16 PM
"imho using whdload for emus is plain stupid."

Not so. I boot my computer straight into a AmigaOS3.9 setup, and its really nice to be able to click an icon inside Workbench to boot a game, rather than selecting the game, change parameters to get the game to work and restart.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: lempkee on June 17, 2003, 02:11:22 PM
mr tickly:
u said:
Eh? How is it any easier to grab screenshots in UAE with a WHDLoaded game than an ADF loaded game? its exactly the same!  

i was comparing a reAL amiga against UAE , not a pC uae with a PC uae WHD.

i know what u meant by the rest and i am sick and tired of people diss'ing down whd just because that their pirate games doesnt wanna install etc,
or that they downloaded it from a fserv and that it doesnt work for em.

anyway i wasnt responding to his first post, i was more or less answering to all of it in one go and to me it seemed rather unlikely that he have a catweasel (like only 5 people has bought by now maybe ? ) , anyway yes i will use this (WHD) on my amigaone in uae etc, but this is not what i am saying, i am saying that he is better off with adf images anyway and that WHDLOAD is for orginals or legalized ADF's and there aint too many of them yet.

beyond that it wasnt meant to be hostyle.., it just upset me a twinky high :) so i am sorry if i flamed someone, i was just trying to point it out VERY LOUDLY! :)
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 02:14:35 PM
That's ok lempkee, you'll still pay for your sins! :)
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: lempkee on June 17, 2003, 02:20:09 PM
pay for my sins?? errmm , i have always bought what i liked , sadly i like alot of stuff so my
girlfriend gets abit crazy at times when i buy too much.  , anyway i only use my money on my AMIGA's , and i dont waste it on pc crap or whatever.

its a matter of choice.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 02:25:46 PM
Here we go, I downloaded SKICK

 Makd a folder devs/kickstarts/

put all of skick's files from its kickstarts folder in there, and put my Kickstart 1.3 rom image  in there and renamed it to kick34005.a500

and then ran citidel and this is what I get:

(http://files.frashii.com/~sp00nz/Doom/images/whdloadbull.JPG)


explaing that one to me if you can.

P.S. the sins thing is a joke, ha ha he he :)
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: xeron on June 17, 2003, 02:30:41 PM
I guess it means just that; the version of citadel you have isn't supported. Is it a crack?
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: lempkee on June 17, 2003, 02:30:56 PM
ok , this is not a supported version of the game for whdload , or the disks simply is broken.

whdload is only for orginals and not always is all orginals even supported , due to people must send in and report that their orginals wont work with the whdload version/slave.

my best guess is , the file is a crack and not supported.   , go to whdload.de and check readme if your version is supported.


cheers
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: XDelusion on June 17, 2003, 02:39:40 PM
Oh man!

 Well obviously this game is abandonwarez or else it would not be on Back 2 Roots, if anyone can hook me up with a Hard Drive image of it, that would be peachy or something to that effect.

 Thankx for the info.
Title: Re: WHDLoad trouble
Post by: xeron on June 17, 2003, 02:59:18 PM
The problem is, just because a software company has given the go ahead for back2roots.org to spread a given game, it doesn't mean that back2roots.org necessarily host the original version. A lot of original games can't even be put into an ADF file because of their copy protection, or sometimes the original game just isn't available to dump, so a crack ends up on back2roots.org.

Occasionally a WHDLoad installer gets updated to support the back2roots edition, but not always.