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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: redrumloa on May 01, 2007, 12:36:23 AM
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Article I Definitions:
"Amiga One" means the PPC hardware product developed by Escena Gmbh for the Amiga One Partners, Initially intended to operate in conjunction with and Amiga 1200
The SE/XE and uA1 were all illegal non-Amiga licensed products :-?
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Oh, this just gets better... I really wish I'd bought that popcorn I saw at the supermarket eariler today...
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redrumloa wrote:
Article I Definitions:
"Amiga One" means the PPC hardware product developed by Escena Gmbh for the Amiga One Partners, Initially intended to operate in conjunction with and Amiga 1200
The SE/XE and uA1 were all illegal non-Amiga licensed products :-?
Which is exactly why I want to start a class action suit against Amiga, Inc, for the coupon scam. They stated the coupon was for AmigaOne/OS4.0 Early Bird Bundles. Eyetech's boards, in AI's own words, are not AmigaOnes, thereby Amiga Inc committed both theft and fraud, by taking people's money *YEARS* ago. ;-)
How could they take money for a product, originally intended to be created by a company that went bankrupt *BEFORE* the coupon fiasco and without a working product? :rtfm:
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Methuselas wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
Article I Definitions:
"Amiga One" means the PPC hardware product developed by Escena Gmbh for the Amiga One Partners, Initially intended to operate in conjunction with and Amiga 1200
The SE/XE and uA1 were all illegal non-Amiga licensed products :-?
Which is exactly why I want to start a class action suit against Amiga, Inc, for the coupon scam. They stated the coupon was for AmigaOne/OS4.0 Early Bird Bundles. Eyetech's boards, in AI's own words, are not AmigaOnes, thereby Amiga Inc committed both theft and fraud, by taking people's money *YEARS* ago. ;-)
How could they take money for a product, originally intended to be created by a company that went bankrupt *BEFORE* the coupon fiasco and without a working product? :rtfm:
I think the point of all this legal pap is that the Amiga Inc. that created the Eyetech AmigaONE etc... is not the same one that exists now.. despite having all the same crooks in charge... the current Amiga Inc. want to ignore anything that the old Amiga Inc. did to get out of legal obligations etc... Shell game fun!!!
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bloodline wrote:
I think the point of all this legal pap is that the Amiga Inc. that created the Eyetech AmigaONE etc... is not the same one that exists now.. despite having all the same crooks in charge... the current Amiga Inc. want to ignore anything that the old Amiga Inc. did to get out of legal obligations etc... Shell game fun!!!
Hence why I want to start a civil, class-action suit against them, in Texas. The Judicial System doesn't tolerate {bleep} like that here. Since it's a civil suit, they can't hide from it and they *WILL* ask why the former CEO of a company that has, indeed committed fraud, sold off the companies assets, to avoid paying off former employees, to avoid legal decisions, etc., is now the CEO of a "new and improved" company of the same name, "product", etc.
Big Mac must be *REALLY desperate now. Might as well get DoomMaster has the companies Technical Advisor.
:lol:
[EDIT] - Actually, Matt, if you want to get technical, the "NEW" Amiga Inc isn't the one that signed the contract with Escena, Hyperion, B-Plan, etc. Their lawsuit, is, in effect, null and void. Even if they renewed the contract, which, at the point in time, Escena was defunct, as a company, they *KNOWINGLY* were ripping off the public, since they had no product.
McEwen is a fool and a edited by redrumloa. There you go, Bill. Nail me for libeling you. Prove to me, to everyone, that you aren't, edited by redrumloa.
Go back to driving a truck, {bleep}!
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Is just hyperion, eyetech and all of us who is rewriting history with our lies.
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Methuselas wrote:
McEwen is a fool and a edited by redrumloa. There you go, Bill. Nail me for libeling you. Prove to me, to everyone, that you aren't, edited by redrumloa.
Go back to driving a truck, {bleep}!
edited by redrumloa: personal attack
Watch your wording please. I understand the frustration, but we must abide by the TOS :oops:
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Methuselas wrote:
[EDIT] - Actually, Matt, if you want to get technical, the "NEW" Amiga Inc isn't the one that signed the contract with Escena, Hyperion, B-Plan, etc. Their lawsuit, is, in effect, null and void. Even if they renewed the contract, which, at the point in time, Escena was defunct, as a company, they *KNOWINGLY* were ripping off the public, since they had no product.
Well, I don't claim to unerstand the details of this... but can't the contrat be an asset? if so... it can be transfered... Well... I don't know. I'm sure BillyMcE has a plan...
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You actualy think that guys has a plan? I don't think so, I would say he is "winging it" and not doing so well if you ask me.
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class action lawsuit.. I wonder how one can go about doing that.. dunno if there is a minimum requirement etc...and who would take the case? (INAL)
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@redrumloa
:nervous: Does this mean I won't get my $50 ?
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Was is AmigaOne ?
Page 9 : line 25-27....
The MicroA1 and SE/XE are motherboard. They are not the AmigaOne, and any computer built with these motherboards would not be an AmigaOne.
:rtfm:
the answer is around page 3-4 :crazy:
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"The MicroA1 and SE/XE are motherboard. They are not the AmigaOne, and any computer built with these motherboards would not be an AmigaOne."
LOL that would make for a timeless signature quote.
Much in the same way as Mick Tinkers:
"Production should start in 2 weeks" about the Boxxer.
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From Bill Mcewen statment from July 1, 2002
"So for better clarification, the AmigaOne is a motherboard that will be sold to dealers. Dealers will then be able to sell the AmigaOne as is, or can build a complete system, or sell you the parts and let you the end user make it yourself. AmigaOS 4.0 is not pre-loaded on the system, but is sold with the AmigaOne.
With regards to OS 4.0, you may purchase this product separately from the AmigaOne, and it can be loaded and used on other Amiga PPC products and systems and are certified for OS 4.0.
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I think the point of all this legal pap is that the Amiga Inc. that created the Eyetech AmigaONE etc... is not the same one that exists now.. despite having all the same crooks in charge... the current Amiga Inc. want to ignore anything that the old Amiga Inc. did to get out of legal obligations etc... Shell game fun!!!
If they stand on that point. The contract was also signed by the old "AmigaInc". You can't pick out the nuggets and leave the rest behind.
We will see. Bill McEwen is just the megaphone (puppet on a string).
:-D Take a look (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23044&forum=2) :-D
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Exactly from the thread I started here...
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28895 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28895)
Seems if the motherboards are not Amigaone than Amiga could be sued for fraud as stated earlier by Methuselas, or Bill himself since his name is on the statement from above link.
If this makes it clear these motherboards are Amiga it would apear Bills statement in the lawsuit are bogus.
Screwed either way.
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Guys this isnt this hard, and Amiga Inc is correct. First of all this is all covered in paragraph 22, which is about the Acube & Hyperion alliance and it hits on the fact that Hyperion apparently sold OS4s to people that had Teron boards (ie AmigaOne boards sold without OS4) as several have commented both here and on AW.net that they bought OS4 from Hyperion. An AmigaOne is the motherboard (or a whole computer) sold with OS4. Given that there is nothing for Acube to distribute for Amigaones, because every single one of them was SUPPOSED to have been sold with OS4, (though obviously some of the originals didnt ship with the product) Amiga Inc is insuring that they Acube isnt selling Teron boards with OS4 and calling them AmigaOnes, they dont have the right to do that and Hyperion doesnt have the right to license them the rights to do that. Amiga Inc received royalites for OS4 for the Teron boards (sic AmigaOnes) from Eyetech, Acube has no more right to sell Teron boards with OS4 and call them Amigaones, then I have the right to sell macs with OS4 and call them Amigaones or Red has the right to sell Pegasus IIs with OS4 and call them AmigaOnes.
-Tig
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redrumloa wrote:
Methuselas wrote:
McEwen is a fool and a edited by redrumloa. There you go, Bill. Nail me for libeling you. Prove to me, to everyone, that you aren't, edited by redrumloa.
Go back to driving a truck, {bleep}!
edited by redrumloa: personal attack
Watch your wording please. I understand the frustration, but we must abide by the TOS :oops:
WOW! That's the first time I've ever been edited by an Admin!!!!! :-o I feel special!!!!
RED, you are *SO* AWESOME!!!!!!!! :-D :lol: :crazy:
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As more and more news of this sort of thing comes out it makes me glad that I simply stuck with my A4000 and never went any farther with Amiga products.
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Looks at AmigaNone system under desk in mild confusion...
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bloodline wrote:
Oh, this just gets better... I really wish I'd bought that popcorn I saw at the supermarket eariler today...
Here you go ... I don't mind sharing :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:-)
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Thats the ticket, rename it AmigaNone and the issue is solved. I also have an AmigaNone in the closet with no OS. :-?
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Maybe none of you exist except in my imagination.....
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Whoa! I didn't knew Red had become a moderator, cool! :-D
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Jose wrote:
Whoa! I didn't knew Red had become a moderator, cool! :-D
Red was a moderator long before you or I were even born ;-)
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WOW! That's the first time I've ever been edited by an Admin!!!!! :-o I feel special!!!!
RED, you are *SO* AWESOME!!!!!!!! :-D :lol: :crazy:
I hope you didn't take it personal. Regardless of who is in question or what they did, we cannot allow direct personal insults like thief or crook. Your opinion and message is allowed, I may even fully agree with you. It's all about the way the message is brought across.
OTOH I would applaud any legal action, you may find enough people to proceed. A few years ago no, now possibly.
*Edit*
BTW, how's the book going? :-)
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@Jose & bloodline
Yeah I was a mod once before and I walked away from it while i ran Anachronism, for (my) fear of a conflict of interest. That company is gone and I am back for what stared as a temporary thing but seems to have become permenant.
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Jose wrote:
Whoa! I didn't knew Red had become a moderator, cool! :-D
It's the bit underneath the chequered squares below his username that gives it away. The ones that were seemingly always there.... ;-)
@Jim
See, you are back again, even if not as frequently as you were. I knew you couldn't really leave ;-)
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Hmmm... Hint to Hyperion: Sell the rights to this soap-opera to some Hollywood producer and get filty rich....
In a cinema near you, soon.... Amiga vs Hyperion: the story.
starring:
- Verne Troyer, as Bill McEwen
- Mike Myers, as Ben Hermans
- Michael Richards, as the judge
Or something like that ;-)
Man... why can't there 'just' be new hardware that runs OS4?
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amiga_3k wrote:
In a cinema near you, soon.... Amiga vs Hyperion: the story.
starring:
- Verne Troyer, as a Belgian Midget
- Mike Myers, as Bill McEwen
- Michael Richards, as the judge
You got a couple of those reversed, I fixed it for you Amiga_3k.
-Tig
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redrumloa wrote:
@Jose & bloodline
Yeah I was a mod once before and I walked away from it while i ran Anachronism, for (my) fear of a conflict of interest. That company is gone and I am back for what stared as a temporary thing but seems to have become permenant.
Red is as old as time itself... if you look carefully... he registered a whole month before me... after the great A.org reboot of 2002... anyone remember that?
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redrumloa wrote:
I hope you didn't take it personal.
Nope. I thought it was awesome. :-) Then again, I kinda jumped off the boat. I'm tired of this crap and I needed to flame. I apologize for losing my cool. I never meant to disrespect you or Amiga.org.
*Edit*
BTW, how's the book going? :-)
2008, Mate. Image Comics will be printing it. :) It looks as though they'll be printing our Alice in Wonderland Graphic Novel, as well, with a release date of Q4 2007. :-)
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bloodline wrote:
Red is as old as time itself... if you look carefully... he registered a whole month before me... after the great A.org reboot of 2002... anyone remember that?
Yup. I remember. Red's got me beat.....
by *ONE* day. :-P
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Methuselas wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Red is as old as time itself... if you look carefully... he registered a whole month before me... after the great A.org reboot of 2002... anyone remember that?
Yup. I remember. Red's got me beat.....
by *ONE* day. :-P
:-D
Yup, of course I remember. But damn, that was over 5 freaking years ago! Damn we are getting old! :-o :-o
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@Tigger:
Hehe... that's a possibility as well. I was thinking about either Pamela Andersson or Erika Eleniak as Amiga Inc's Soft-to-Hardware development team.
--Bert
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These are not the AmigaOnes you are looking for...
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bloodline wrote:
Red is as old as time itself... if you look carefully... he registered a whole month before me... after the great A.org reboot of 2002... anyone remember that?
I was still a mere lurkist at the time. I do recall the greater and lesser avataricides of 2003 though...
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amiga_3k wrote:
@Tigger:
Hehe... that's a possibility as well. I was thinking about either Pamela Andersson or Erika Eleniak as Amiga Inc's Soft-to-Hardware development team.
Had to do it that way, after all the Belgian dwarf was one of three people going to kick my a?? if I showed up at Amiwest in 2003. Strangly enough not one of the three actually asked me to go outside and see how far I could bounce them. I used to take charges from the Round Mound of Rebound, I'm afraid Benji and the others were a little too small to scare me.
-Tig
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Methuselas wrote:
Which is exactly why I want to start a class action suit against Amiga, Inc, for the coupon scam. They stated the coupon was for AmigaOne/OS4.0 Early Bird Bundles. Eyetech's boards, in AI's own words, are not AmigaOnes, thereby Amiga Inc committed both theft and fraud, by taking people's money *YEARS* ago. ;-)
How could they take money for a product, originally intended to be created by a company that went bankrupt *BEFORE* the coupon fiasco and without a working product? :rtfm:
I'm so poor right now, maybe I can get Legal Aid to start a class action suite here in Maryland?
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Methuselas wrote:
Which is exactly why I want to start a class action suit against Amiga, Inc, for the coupon scam. They stated the coupon was for AmigaOne/OS4.0 Early Bird Bundles. Eyetech's boards, in AI's own words, are not AmigaOnes, thereby Amiga Inc committed both theft and fraud, by taking people's money *YEARS* ago. ;-)
If you want to sue over the coupons, great, I've told people about that for years. But your off base on the Paragraph 22 issue and the AmigaOnes. Nowhere is Eyetech mentioned here, this is all about Acube and this comment in the press release (which is included as Exhibit I). In it they say the following:
"Within the framework of the partnership Acube will act as a worldwide distributer of Hyperion's Amiga OS 4.0 operating system for a range of PPC hardware platforms including AmigaOne(MicroA1, XE/SE) and classic Amiga."
So Acube is going to be distributer for OS 4.0 (which Hyperion doesnt have the right to make them), they are going to distribute OS 4.0 of AmigaOne (which by definition already have OS 4.0,, so either they are going to repackage it and make more money (not allowed) or Acube is going to freely distribute final CDs, which do you think is going to happen?), classic amigas (which they had the right to do until the license was cancelled) and other PPC hardware platforms (which we know means SAM and Moana) which they arent allowed to do. The issue is that only Teron boards sold by Eyetech which included a license for 4.0 (and so Amiga got a royalty on them) are AmigaOnes. I made the comment the other day, that with Acube working on processor boards for the Terons I was wondering if they had found a bunch of board sans processors and were doing this to sell a bunch of old Terons at new high prices, AI is afraid of this as well, thats all that this is about.
-Tig