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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: drewz21 on April 30, 2007, 07:14:24 PM
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Issaquah, Wash and Fonthill, ON Canada – April 29, 2007 – ACK Controls and Amiga, Inc. are pleased to announce the base hardware design that will address the needs of the Amiga market as well offering expansion into other markets.
“The first product release is designed for flexibility and meeting the needs of the Amiga user, as well as offer a design that takes advantage of available hardware”, said Adam Kowalczyk President of ACK Systems
This new system will be offered at a suggested retail price of $ 489.00 and be a complete offering excluding monitor in a finished design that will provide customers with everything they need to get started.
Flex-ATX form factor motherboard based on the Freescale MPC8349E SoC. (400MHz to 667MHz depending on requirements and price target)
1 (one) DDR2 DIMM slot expandable to 1GB using unregistered DIMMs.
1 (one) 66MHz PCI slot for use with readily available graphics cards.
2 (two) 33MHz PCI slots for additional expansion.
2 (two) 10/100/1Gb Ethernet Ports.
4 (four) Hi Speed USB ports.
2 (two) serial ports.
4 (four) SATA ports provided by a Silicon Image Sil3114 controller.
Onboard sound provided by a C-Media CMI8738.
Socketed EEPROM for U-Boot firmware.
Atmel ATC2408A serial EEPROM (1 kb of non-volatile storage)
Dallas DS1339 RTC with battery holder.
Standard ATX power supply connector.
“Amiga is please to be working with ACK Controls and believe that by using flexible designs and aggressive manufacturing practices we will be able to deliver to our customers a great product at a great price”, said Bill McEwen of Amiga, Inc.
Manufacturing partner and final ship schedule will be following soon.
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It all depends on what will happen with Hyperion, who will support these scum bags from Amiga inc now ??
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I'm going to cross reference some numbers... how does this compate to SAM. Looks similar on the surface.
Plaz
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Ok, I'll go for the high-end one then.. :)
Don't be so aggressive towards AI people, as far as I can see they aren't necessarily The Big Baddies here, and times were difficult for them too! :-o
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Let the justice system decide who is the badguys.. Just give me a new system :)
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krize wrote:
It all depends on what will happen with Hyperion, who will support these scum bags from Amiga inc now ??
If the hardware comes bundled with AmigaOS 4, why would you care?
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$489??? And I presume by the conspicuous non-mention you need to buy your own RAM, HD, DVD and, most importantly, OS (cause no mention of OEM version). That makes this six year old spec more on the order of $800...insanity....
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Only 1GB RAM? Not enough these days.
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Enought on my mac and linux machines.
But when you go for a ppc system you end up with something intended for the embeded marked. Way better than my 060 anyways.
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Why I would care ? When buying a new system you want to know the OS is in good hands. In Amiga Inc. hands, its not!
Who will develop it now ? ACK one man hardware company ? Or in house Amiga Inc. ?
You have to see why Amiga Inc. wants OS4 for themselves, and I dont think it is for the community :/
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meega wrote:
Only 1GB RAM? Not enough these days.
Cool, the "Slam and trash it" team is already here!
My AmigaOne works great with 256 MB, sometimes when compiling stuff with best opimisation I run out of memory, but that's very rare. On the other hand my A4000 works great with 18 MB RAM, and it's enough these days for classic Amiging.
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drHirudo: Do you actually think that Amiga Inc. can continue to develop OS4 now ? Without any support for Hyperion who have worked on it for maaany years now..
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I'm insane, I'm using this overpriced A1 and I'm happy too :-) ... Typing from it right now. I've been able to use every AOS4 beta release and it's been like christmas every time. They did also release the themes to celebrate the 20th annaversary.
The PC would've been cheaper but at the cost of fun......
It's up to you what you want to pay for...
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krize wrote:
Why I would care ? When buying a new system you want to know the OS is in good hands. In Amiga Inc. hands, its not!
Who will develop it now ? ACK one man hardware company ? Or in house Amiga Inc. ?
You have to see why Amiga Inc. wants OS4 for themselves, and I dont think it is for the community :/
Before there weren't any hardware for AmigaOS 4 and you whined, now there most probably will be hardware for AmigaOS 4, but you still whine. Most of the same whiners said that AmigaOS 4 isn't going to be developed any further anyhow, so why would you care in which hands is it, when you can finally have it? Or just finding new excuses?
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Wouldn't that be down to Amiga-India ?
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Freaking LOL!
It's hard to get worked up with specs like that. What a dog! I hope Amiga INC goes out of business with the quickness.
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@krize
The company I work for has been in a somewhat similar legal dispute. Another company developed software under our name and directions, under license, afterwards claiming that they did not get payed enought. They markedet this software as their own, and we sued them and ofcourse won. When we two years after finaly got the sourcecode, it was so crappy that we trashed it and started from stratch.
I do not have all the facts in this case, so I dont want to take sides. Amiga is just a hobby, and it would be wonderful with a new toy.
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"Before there weren't any hardware for AmigaOS 4 and you whined, now there most probably will be hardware for AmigaOS 4, but you still whine. Most of the same whiners said that AmigaOS 4 isn't going to be developed any further anyhow, so why would you care in which hands is it, when you can finally have it? Or just finding new excuses?"
What are you talking about ? I dont whine about anything, stop talking bull!
The problem is how they treat Hyperion, Hyperion are the programmers who took a big chance on this project.
And now Amiga Inc. just does what they can to get OS4 themselves, and stab Hyperion in the back.
I ask again: " Who will develop OS4 if Amiga Inc. wins the battle ?" Hyperion who have done years on it is out then..
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krize: Have you read something that I haven't? Because if you didn't, stop spreading rumours...
AI is presenting new hw wich should be all joy. The Frieden brothers has choosen not to speak at the forums... make what you want from it...
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Ravnen: Sure... But what Amiga Inc. is doing now is so low (even for them). Hyperion have actually worked on this for years, Amiga Inc. havent done anything for years (except this last months circus).
Also you have to remember all the guys who supported Amiga Inc. in the beginning. Paying coupons for cheaper OS4 and so on. All scams! Also behinds the scenes, it have not been pretty.
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HotRod: I dont know what you have read or not, have you read the court documents ? CHeck other threads here and amigaworld.com/moobunny.
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nice specs...
It looks like ... ....
-= THIS =- (http://www.embedded-developer.com/tools/531/Freescale-Semiconductor/MPC8349EMITXE.htm)
chris
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HotRod wrote:
krize: Have you read something that I haven't? Because if you didn't, stop spreading rumours...
AI is presenting new hw wich should be all joy. The Frieden brothers has choosen not to speak at the forums... make what you want from it...
Would you speak publicly if you were being sued by these *****loecher? This is such a shame, what a ripoff by these charlatans. No OS support and a premium price for a crappy old spec, only the mad would buy it. Ask yourself would you buy a new PC if Microsoft had been enjoined from updates? Maybe if you used Linux because it's open sourced but this is a closed system potentially being taken over by persons with zero demonstrated programming history who's own idea (AmigaDE) was a collossal flop...just read Bolton Peck's posting. Heck, the only thing they've proved competent in is mucking up everything they've ever layed their hands on. So now we fanatics and cult-idiots Amiga considered the classic crowd are supposed to buy this bull****?
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1GB is enough, on Mac you can do anything even semi-pro video editing. On Amiga 1GB is a lot don't worry.
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drHirudo wrote:
meega wrote:
Only 1GB RAM? Not enough these days.
Cool, the "Slam and trash it" team is already here!
My AmigaOne works great with 256 MB, sometimes when compiling stuff with best opimisation I run out of memory, but that's very rare. On the other hand my A4000 works great with 18 MB RAM, and it's enough these days for classic Amiging.
Shall we work down the rest of the spec to see why a lot of (possibly most) people would regard this as an under-equipped machine for the modern era?
Yes, the "classic" Amiga worked very well with its resources, but every single one really needed expansion to do "serious" work. Only 1 (ONE) slot for only 1 (ONE) gigabyte is not enough to compete in the 21st century.
In my opinion.
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eeeh, compete?
Is someone actually thinking of Amiga as a real alternative to modern machines? Common... Os4.0 does not even have a usable browser (yet).
The only thing it wil compete against is "classic" amigas.
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@krize
Hyperion have actually worked on this for years, Amiga Inc. havent done anything for years
AI's view on this is apparently that TMLECH (The Mysterious Legal Entity Called Hyperion) basically coordinated a number of subcontractors without paying them much, and did so with their own little agenda.
I am not saying this in order to personally accuse Hyperion of anything, much less anyone of those heros who toiled to make OS4 a reality. Just to say that one should not jump to conclusions. :-o
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@dirigent
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at *Mr.* Moss' calling Hyperion a 'shell company'. What do you call two unemployed chuckleheads in the Pacific Northwest with nothing better to do than cling to the pipedream of some old Tao-based content shell running on top of WindowsCE?
SO THE WORLD MAY KNOW(tm)
:-D
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At risk of appearing to be a whiner, I certainly feel that this equipment is far under my expectations for what even the newest low-end amiga would be.
A MPC8349E at 400Mhz is not what I had in mind when they said a new system was coming out... and certainly not one that had provisioning for only 1 memory slot.
I was hoping to see something more like the MPC8641D at 1.5Ghz and up to 2GB of RAM (or, at least 2 slots).
I guess I was dreaming.
meega wrote:
drHirudo wrote:
meega wrote:
Only 1GB RAM? Not enough these days.
Cool, the "Slam and trash it" team is already here!
My AmigaOne works great with 256 MB, sometimes when compiling stuff with best opimisation I run out of memory, but that's very rare. On the other hand my A4000 works great with 18 MB RAM, and it's enough these days for classic Amiging.
Shall we work down the rest of the spec to see why a lot of (possibly most) people would regard this as an under-equipped machine for the modern era?
Yes, the "classic" Amiga worked very well with its resources, but every single one really needed expansion to do "serious" work. Only 1 (ONE) slot for only 1 (ONE) gigabyte is not enough to compete in the 21st century.
In my opinion.
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Although I guess they had to stick with the e300 core to avoid major work.
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[genie]
i wish ... i wish i could actually see this machine come onto the market instead of just on paper!
[/genie]
/me sits back with :popcorn: and lets the show go on
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My cell phone has more computing power than this new Amiga system.
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Plaz wrote:
I'm going to cross reference some numbers... how does this compate to SAM. Looks similar on the surface.
Plaz
I think the compatible part is SAD440
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ravnen wrote:
Let the justice system decide who is the badguys.. Just give me a new system :)
Justice System or Computer system......I agree with both need fixed
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Its this?:
http://www.embedded-developer.com/tools/531/Freescale-Semiconductor/MPC8349EMITXE.htm
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hmm pretty speed for 1999.... totaly out to lunch today. Why would I want this? what's the big deal? Why is anbody fighting over this ancient crap?
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guru-666 wrote:
hmm pretty speed for 1999.... totaly out to lunch today. Why would I want this? what's the big deal? Why is anbody fighting over this ancient crap?
It's AmiReligion. 2000 years from now people will be fighting over the holy red and white checker ball.
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@koaftgder
the the funny part is the wont even know what the amiga was! There will just be this center in kent. Oh won;t sombody please think of the kids!
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Ventilslav,
My AmigaOne works great with 256 MB
According to Amiga Inc. that motherboard you have is not an AmigaOne.
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krize wrote:
Hyperion have actually worked on this for years, Amiga Inc. havent done anything for years (except this last months circus).
Hyperion got paid, as far as i understand. 25.000 usd or so. So whats the problem.. they did their part, now AI does theirs.
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I'm not even sure why I'm responding. Until something is actually released, it's still vaporware.
$500 for a motherboard that only takes 1G of RAM, no firewire with only 3 PCI slots, no AGP?
At least it's SATA...
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koaftder wrote:
My cell phone has more computing power than this new Amiga system.
Sad thing is I think even my A500 would give it a hard run.
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well amiga inc was suposed to go bust between then and now, DUH. amiga inc did not live up to there part of the bargan, the fight was rigged!
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Argus wrote:
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at *Mr.* Moss' calling Hyperion a 'shell company'. What do you call two unemployed chuckleheads in the Pacific Northwest with nothing better to do than cling to the pipedream of some old Tao-based content shell running on top of WindowsCE?
Well he may have a point when he says that the delays allegedly caused by Hyperion have not exactly helped them in their venture.
Also, Fleecy gives a slightly more detailed account of the course of events in his court statement, to which your ironic description does not really do justice. Even though I agree that one may see a comical element in that statement of his.
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I'm not worried about the speed, currently using an iMac G3 at 333 MHz and OSX and it serves me well.
I'm not worried about the maximum memory, again, the iMac has 288 MB and it doesn't stop me from using all different kinds of software ranging from Word to The Gimp.
I'm a bit worried over the price, but as it is a niche product that's something one can step-over.
I'm enormously worried about the OS being supplied! Nothing is mentioned! Will we have to use OS3.9? Has OS5 fallen from the blue sky. Or do they still have a possibility to ship OS4 with it?
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dude the iMac is lame! I would not buy one if it came out today.....
OS5....ROFL!
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256MB is also plenty for Ubuntu Linux. :-D
After web browser, mailer, mp3 player, GaIM, and watching a movie, only topped it to 180mb of ram usage out of 512mb and with only 30mb of pagefile used...
Now that is what I like to call efficient. :-D
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I wouldn't buy this new Amiga for that price, sorry.
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guru-666 wrote:
dude the iMac is lame! I would not buy one if it came out today.....
True, me neither, but at the moment it's good enough (for at least a few more weeks, hardware change is comming soon). What I meant to say is that, if the OS to be run on that hardware is small, efficient and responsive than you won't need kick-ass Windows Vista like hardware.
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@amiga_3k
Hehe, if the OS is small and efficiant you could just run on your iMac.(of anything with a ppc) LOL why even offer new hardware?
The idea that I should buy some (old) hardware to run this hacky little OS4 is adsured... now selling os4 for $50 would be intesting... but haivng to spend $500-$700 and haivng more junk (hardware) littering my office just is not going to happen!
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I like it!!
:-D
As a former Amiga owner, I was looking into getting an Amiga 1200, Blizzard 060/PPC which would have been at most 200 MHZ. In additional I would have needed to tower, mediator just to get USB, etc...
For much less I can have 1 gb ram (DDR2) and 1gb LAN, USB, SATA. For under $500. Sweet.
I for one can't wait to get it. :-o
Would definitely prefer the 667Mhz one even if it was more expensive. Also, the PCI slot would be reserved for Clone-A if made into such a card.
Seems like an awesome low end machine to me compared to the A1200 combo I described...
AmigaNow
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kd7ota wrote:
256MB is also plenty for Ubuntu Linux. :-D
After web browser, mailer, mp3 player, GaIM, and watching a movie, only topped it to 180mb of ram usage out of 512mb and with only 30mb of pagefile used...
Now that is what I like to call efficient. :-D
I have single images that take 100-200MB. Try editing one of that size, e.g. crop, requiring a second copy of the file in memory at the same time (no, I don't like pagefiles). That isn't even a large file.
For what it's worth, I do own classic Amigas.
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AmigaNow wrote:
For much less I can have 1 gb ram (DDR2) and 1gb LAN, USB, SATA. For under $500. Sweet.
It doesn't say that there is any RAM actually present...
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@amigaNow
I can pull hardware that is better out of a dumpster for free!
the days where anybody can hold me hostage with custom hardware are long gone...
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meega wrote:
I have single images that take 100-200MB. Try editing one of that size, e.g. crop, requiring a second copy of the file in memory at the same time (no, I don't like pagefiles). That isn't even a large file.
For what it's worth, I do own classic Amigas.
I wasn't saying for everything, just the everyday use that I do it for. :-D
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If it comes with AOS4, it would be not bad. My win mobo + cpu + fan cost me at the time around $500. Then I had to get ram, graphics, hd, cd,etc...
If a PCI IDE card was compatable, I could use my CDRom, DVD-RW , and 250Gb hard disk.
Otherwise I would upgrade to SATA.
AmigaNow
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At least they did bring out the specs, like they promised.
AmigaNow
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I might as well just save my cash and drag out that old p2 450 thats been sitting in the closet the past 4 years.
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At least they did bring out the specs, like they promised.
1st announcement:
"Manufacturing and final price information along with product launch schedules will be following in the next week."
2nd announcement:
"Manufacturing partner and final ship schedule will be following soon."
Only specs and price for the lower end "design". No precise launch schedules.
Anyone thinking this announcement has any other purpose than just trying to help the court case is seriously deluded.
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I'm not going to get into any kind of flame-war with anyone but I know for a fact if real hardware with an AmigaOS materializes I'm going to buy 1 or 2. I know I've spent quite a bit of money on classic Amiga hardware and from converstaions I've seen on here and other places Amiga users have spent that much and more on classic Amiga hardware trying to get a machine like they want. I also read in some of these same forums people spending quite a bit of money creating different types of Linux based PCs. I just don't see the difference.
If I'm able to buy an Amiga computer they lets me run either new Amiga software and/or some classic Amiga software, I'm all over it.
All the other hype aside, Hyperion, the lawsuit, past experience with Amiga Inc., etc... wouldn't it be great to be able to buy a NEW Amiga computer running an Amiga Operating System and using Amiga software? Sounds good to me!!! :-D
I hope by sometime this summer many of us are talking about the ways we use our new Amiga computer.
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Gee, I sure hope it's in a mini ITX form factor. And looks something like this...
(http://www.endpcnoise.com/e/images/psile_silver.jpg)
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I'd still like a 3.5" floppy drive in there.
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hahahahahahhaaha! Here ya go!
(http://www.yadamnfool.com/pics/amiga/silver.gif)
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3" CD drive, is it?
(Hard to please, aren't I?)
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Ha! I'm creating my own standards now! That's a disk from Men In Black! Guess you'll have to buy the White Album again... :-P
Here's a read on PC Magazine! (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2124110,00.asp)
Ahhh, just read that it will have a Flex-ATX form factor. Sort of this size. Still fairly small though.
(http://www.abilities.com/mobo.jpg)
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Not quite Pico-ITX is it :-(
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@krize
That's what I was thinking. Nothing I'll buy.
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Wow what great specs for 1997. Oh wait it's 2007. My older KDS laptop has better specs. How about they try to hit the year 2000 in specs then i might think about parting with that money. Comeon AInc with the costs of stuff so low now why cant you just give us something that is a bit more powerful. Once again crap from them and hell we'll pay and not recieve it anyways so why not exaggerate the specs to make us feel better.
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Why does everyone assume we need a 4GHz machine for Amiga OS 4? Are we running Windows Vista here or Amiga OS 4.0 ??? This machine will be fine for AmigaOS 4!!! So shut up!! ;)
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TjLaZer wrote:
Why does everyone assume we need a 4GHz machine for Amiga OS 4? Are we running Windows Vista here or Amiga OS 4.0 ??? This machine will be fine for AmigaOS 4!!! So shut up!! ;)
Right, but if it's anything like the other machines A-Inc has announced, it will either
A: Never exist, or be released, etc
B: Released late, seriously outdated and bug-ridden
Neither of those options sound very cool to me. Actually, I'm glad I just dumped the cash on a 2-meg Agnus for my A500... at least that's actually real (it exists now), and something I can have fun messing with.. :/
(Sorry if I sound like an ass, I just downed a few brews)
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I hear you, if A, Inc releases this machine I will crap my pants!! hahah I am more a Classic Amiga guy too, have lots of Amigas. :)
Those specs are fine for OS 4.0, no need for a 3GHz duo core or 4GHz P4 for it!
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give me a break man. First off they prob wont produce one and secondly with the cost of parts now days why do u want to settle for crap specs. Sure Amiga OS doesnt need the power of Windows or such, but why not have it for future. Besides more horsepower isnt just for the OS but how about future possible games. The hardware isn't just for the OS you know, what those who like to do 3d animations and such that do require (or helps to have) that extra horsepower. That's the problem right now is everyone will just SETTLE for what they can get because its something from Amiga. I say bull on that. Give us something worth the wait.
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even better since there are no apps for this OS4 those specs are to high... LOL come on guy this is to be a next gen machine you need to think beyond it loading the OS here! I word with big data sets this spec is a joke, only a little better then my cyberstorm ppc thata I got OVER 10 years ago...
lame spec = lame spec
@amiga-kid
right on!
funny becasue I do 3d and this new box is a joke.
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TjLaZer wrote:
Why does everyone assume we need a 4GHz machine for Amiga OS 4? Are we running Windows Vista here or Amiga OS 4.0 ??? This machine will be fine for AmigaOS 4!!! So shut up!! ;)
Because if I am going to pay a certain amount of money for a machine, I won't buy it unless its parts are worth the price they are asking for.
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Yeah but come on guys... OS5 is so sweet it would probably *smoke* on an '030... let alone 500 MHz :p
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Those specs are fine for OS 4.0, no need for a 3GHz duo core or 4GHz P4 for it!
OS4 is pretty dead, perhaps OS5. True, you do not need a modern x86/x86_64 to run any of the Amiga like OSs out there. Problem is paying for high end x86_64 and not getting much of anything for your money. Now if they can get a mobo and OS for way under $200, then they may have something. However, if they continue as is, it's not going to fly.
Dammy
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Well lets see. If Amiga pulls this off (and I have a feeling they will as they are under new money) this will be great. I would rather have a non wintel crap crate that runs at 600MHz than a P4 @ 4GHz running an Amiga OS. The price is just right too, I mean come on! Under $500 for a new machine? The Amiga 500 cost more in 1987!
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pass me some of what he's smoking. lol
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Hello people,
I hate to give you the news but the only reason AInc is pretending to be releasing hardware right now is to strenghten their position in their recent lawsuit with Hyperion.
see clause # 33 at the document
It prevents Amiga from entering the market for OS4.0. The first to market advantage is important in any business pursuit but particularly critical in the technology space...
a loss that is difficult, if not possible to compensate with money damages alone, and irreperable (mispell here)
They pretend like they're going to enter the market but oh oh ! baddies hyperion has already signed a deal with acube ! They lost all their first to market advantage ! Advantage my ass, where were you the last 4 years lame ass ?
This lawsuit was filed on 26 april 2007 .
amiga.com announcement comes at 22 april 2007 .
Doesn't that tell something to you ? Not that it's meaninglessly underspec, it's DEFINITELY VAPOR as well ! wake up guys !
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meega wrote:
drHirudo wrote:
meega wrote:
Only 1GB RAM? Not enough these days.
Cool, the "Slam and trash it" team is already here!
My AmigaOne works great with 256 MB, sometimes when compiling stuff with best opimisation I run out of memory, but that's very rare. On the other hand my A4000 works great with 18 MB RAM, and it's enough these days for classic Amiging.
Shall we work down the rest of the spec to see why a lot of (possibly most) people would regard this as an under-equipped machine for the modern era?
Yes, the "classic" Amiga worked very well with its resources, but every single one really needed expansion to do "serious" work. Only 1 (ONE) slot for only 1 (ONE) gigabyte is not enough to compete in the 21st century.
In my opinion.
Have you ever actually used OS4? I am running it on 256MB of RAM and it is totally fine and I really even have no desire to upgrade that, even to 512MB. For AmigaOS4 1GB is certainly MORE THAN enough. With sound, SATA, and ethernet on-board, you still have two free PCI slots remaining (assuming one is taken up by graphics). So, throw in a TV Tuner, Wireless Card, or any other combination of 2 cards and you are fine for 90+% of the users out there.
This is certainly more expandable than my MicroA1 because I am limited there to a single PCI slot. Sure I have a cpu socket that is upgradable but there have been no cpu upgrade modules available for sale, so it could have been a soldered on cpu for all it matters.
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amigakid wrote:
Wow what great specs for 1997. Oh wait it's 2007. My older KDS laptop has better specs. How about they try to hit the year 2000 in specs then i might think about parting with that money. Comeon AInc with the costs of stuff so low now why cant you just give us something that is a bit more powerful. Once again crap from them and hell we'll pay and not recieve it anyways so why not exaggerate the specs to make us feel better.
Ok. You have to understand and realize that this board is for *AMIGA OS4* and not *WINDOWS VISTA*. OS4 will run quite nicely on this board! Okay, perhaps you won't be decoding H.264 video in real-time on it but then again that is even hard to do on high-end PC's today.
In the context that this board is targeted for and in the price range where you can sell in quantity, this machine fits the bill quite nicely.
Remember it was the lower cost Amigas that sold in the highest volumes and that is what we really need right now: MORE USERS!
Besides, there will be a high end board announced next week according to Amiga Inc.'s press release.
So if you don't like the low end board then purchase the high end one....this is like A1200 vs. A4000 :)
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jiffydos wrote:
At risk of appearing to be a whiner, I certainly feel that this equipment is far under my expectations for what even the newest low-end amiga would be.
A MPC8349E at 400Mhz is not what I had in mind when they said a new system was coming out... and certainly not one that had provisioning for only 1 memory slot.
I was hoping to see something more like the MPC8641D at 1.5Ghz and up to 2GB of RAM (or, at least 2 slots).
I guess I was dreaming.
OK I have to say it again, the purpose of this machine is to fill the A500/A1200 space of the market. Low cost, lower specs, higher volume (hopefully). Don't get fooled by the MHz myth here. Amiga OS4 is NOT bloated like Windows or other OS's (to a lesser extent MacOS or Linux). It is small, lean and can run quite nicely in far less than 256MB of ram and on a slower processor. Don't forget the memory is DDR2 and I'm sure the memory controller will absolutely smoke the AmigaOne's. 1 GIG is a MOUNTAIN of ram for OS4 and I can only see a very small percentage of people actually using that much. I am very happy with only 256 MB of ram in my MicroA1.
And those people who NEED more will be able to BUY more, in the higher end machine that hopefully will be announced next week if the tea leaves are correct :)
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And your point is?
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With these specs, I might as well go dumpster diving and pull out a 1GHz thunderbird for free and install windows 95. That sucker would fly, and I'd get the memory protection and a descent web browser unlike what doesn't exist on AOS4, and all for free.
500 dollars for a 400MHz machine, no thanks. For 100 dollars more I can get a mac mini, which would freaking blow it out of the water.
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meega wrote:
Only 1GB RAM? Not enough these days.
And just what OS do you plan to run on the new hardware that would make 1GB not enough?
I am quite happily running OS4 in 256 megabytes of RAM since 2 years now. Not because I don't love ram: don't get me wrong, all my PC's have 1+ GB of ram and my main PC (running Vista) has 2GB.
If I felt that I would benefit from more ram for my MicroA1 I would have bought it a long time ago. But really, guys, you just don't NEED it. OS4 is fine on 256MB.
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Argus wrote:
$489??? And I presume by the conspicuous non-mention you need to buy your own RAM, HD, DVD and, most importantly, OS (cause no mention of OEM version). That makes this six year old spec more on the order of $800...insanity....
I believe it is said in the press release that it will ship as a finished system sans monitor only. That would mean it would include a hard drive, memory, graphics card, case, mouse, keyboard, power cable, OS4 CDROM, etc etc.
Basically hook up your monitor plug in the system to your Hydro and you are good-to-go.
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koaftder wrote:
With these specs, I might as well go dumpster diving and pull out a 1GHz thunderbird for free and install windows 95. That sucker would fly, and I'd get the memory protection and a descent web browser unlike what doesn't exist on AOS4, and all for free.
500 dollars for a 400MHz machine, no thanks. For 100 dollars more I can get a mac mini, which would freaking blow it out of the water.
Then why are you even here? OS4 has minimal hardware requirements so it makes sense to offer a minimal configuration with a low cost (we are talking complete system here (minus monitor) for less than $500 bucks). I seem to recall that is about the same price as the A1200 was.
You have to compare this machine in the context of previous Amiga computers and clones like the Pegasos.
It is not really fair to compare it with computers from billion dollar companies like Apple and Dell/HP/Acer, etc...who run Microsoft Windows or MacOS X.
OS4 was developed on a shoe-string budget and actually turned out to be quite a nice stable product. I really am thankful for that and I hope the legal issues can be worked out and we can all move forward and enjoy the new hardware later this summer.
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400MHz is an insult, there are mobile phones these days that are clocked faster.
I certainly won't be wasting my money on this crap.
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Man, why is everybody so quick to jump the gun and dismiss this machine.
Why not just wait and see what happens?
All of you fools have fallen for the Mhz trap, you need higher specs machine etc etc blah blah. Come on. Wait and see it run first.
IF this ever gets released, and if it will run any type of AmigaOS I will buy one. Come on, 400Mhz is waaaay enough to run a lean-mean OS. Sure, not Vista, OSX or whatever, but if I want to run any of those I'll buy a wintel machine.
First I'll wait to see if anything gets shipped, ifso which OS included. The CPU is likely to be 68000 series compatible; right? That means it's likely to run OS3.9 or AmigaDE or whatever it was called.
Or maybe AmigaDE=OS5 ?!
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Actual laserprinters got faster CPU nowadays....
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Tahoe wrote:
Man, why is everybody so quick to jump the gun and dismiss this machine.
Why not just wait and see what happens?
All of you fools have fallen for the Mhz trap, you need higher specs machine etc etc blah blah. Come on. Wait and see it run first.
But it's 2007... not 1997! This is no Mhz trap, it simple fact that people don't want to pay for old tech.
IF this ever gets released, and if it will run any type of AmigaOS I will buy one. Come on, 400Mhz is waaaay enough to run a lean-mean OS. Sure, not Vista, OSX or whatever, but if I want to run any of those I'll buy a wintel machine.
So you are prepared to pay large sums of money just to run an OS... not a killer app, or some vital piece of software that you depend upon... just an OS... AmigaOS isn't lean-mean... it's just simple.
First I'll wait to see if anything gets shipped, ifso which OS included.
If...
The CPU is likely to be 68000 series compatible; right?
No... there are no 68K compatible CPU's the Coldfire comes close, but it's not. the 68k is EOL...
That means it's likely to run OS3.9 or AmigaDE or whatever it was called.
Err... no and no.
Or maybe AmigaDE=OS5 ?!
Cough...
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HammerD wrote:
meega wrote:
Only 1GB RAM? Not enough these days.
And just what OS do you plan to run on the new hardware that would make 1GB not enough?
Reread the entire thread, and you will see what I might use the machine for...
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Personally I think its a good price and a nice little low-end machine. All you guys complaining about speed dont forget the highend specs have not been realeased yet.
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Before there weren't any hardware for AmigaOS 4 and you whined, now there most probably will be hardware for AmigaOS 4, but you still whine. Most of the same whiners said that AmigaOS 4 isn't going to be developed any further anyhow, so why would you care in which hands is it, when you can finally have it? Or just finding new excuses?
It's simple, there's MorphOS, there's AROS, Amiga path is secured, why to whine for?
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there is no agp slot? or thoso new pci slots?
where will we find a pci graphics card?
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Just out of pure curiosity, if I was to buy a complete PC (excluding monitor) for the same price how fast would the emulated Amiga in UAE be in comparison to this system?
Just thinking aloud here, but if the speeds of native code on the ACK board and emulated code on a low cost PC are comparable then wouldn't people be better off with the PC as they'd get full Amiga compatibility? IIRC Amithlon was doing 400MHz speeds in 2001, surely UAE would be able to do the same 6 years later?
I haven't been in the market for a PC since 2000 or so and i haven't used UAE in rather a long time so I really am totally clueless about all of this.
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koaftder wrote:
With these specs, I might as well go dumpster diving and pull out a 1GHz thunderbird for free and install windows 95. That sucker would fly, and I'd get the memory protection and a descent web browser unlike what doesn't exist on AOS4, and all for free.
500 dollars for a 400MHz machine, no thanks. For 100 dollars more I can get a mac mini, which would freaking blow it out of the water.
or you could get a mac-mini, and put it into something cool...like...an amiga case
TjLaZer wrote:
The price is just right too, I mean come on! Under $500 for a new machine? The Amiga 500 cost more in 1987!
yes great, but for just $400 you could build a faster machine with more functionality. there's just really no point in going down this road
CLS2086 wrote:
Actual laserprinters got faster CPU nowadays....
heh, unfortunately my hp laserjet only has 400MHz...and 16mb of ram...oh well (maybe i could get os4 onto it...)
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Tahoe wrote:
Why not just wait and see what happens?
Now have I heard this before....?
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Read this thread and then ask yourselves why Amiga Inc. may possibly not care about the Amigans.
Honestly - look at it. Go on. Read the thread.
Back yet?
Look at the whining. The moaning. The carping. It's PATHETIC.
"This machine is $500 and it doesn't even come with any RAM". OF COURSE it doesn't! It's basic supply and demand Demand is FAR lower than for a PC, hence supply must be lower. Supply is lower, so economies of scale don't apply in anywhere near the same amount as a PC motherboard. In what kind of dreamworld could an Amiga exist at the same or even close price point as a modern PC?
"This machine is only 400MHz! My phone is more powerful!" - that's complete nonsense, there's a WORLD of difference between a 400MHz platform like this and a 400MHz phone, go check out the hardware designs before throwing such nonsense around.
"400MHz is ridiculously slow compared to 4GHz x86" - well spotted, Sherlock. Point is that you don't NEED a super fast CPU to run AmigaOS. It'll take a long time before the Amiga catches up with PCs in CPU speed because we don't NEED to - we have a fast, efficient OS, unlike the Vista dog. We don't have the software that needs such a fast CPU anyway (there's no 3DS Max or anything) and 400MHz is plenty fast enough to run AmigaOS and a large number of apps. And this is for a low end machine. If you want faster, you get faster when it comes out.
"1GB memory isn't enough for me!" - unless you're doing large graphics manipulation or video processing, you don't need it. I don't think I've come close to using my 512MB on my AmigaOne. And if you do do large graphics or videos, then you're going to use a Mac or PC anyway because those are the platforms with the software like Photoshop.
People seem to think this is an Amiga to compete with PCs. It's not. It's an Amiga to get people using AmigaOS again, to rebuild the userbase. To get people developing. To get numbers up.
Once enough people are using it, then we can worry about getting it up to the specs PCs have, but until then there's NO POINT. 99.9% of computer users will continue to use the Macs or PCs they already own anyway, no matter what hardware you throw at AmigaOS.
Looking at this thread I can see why Amiga Inc may want to write off the classic Amiga users as they, given what they've been reduced to. I wouldn't bother, that's for sure.
Oh, and to all those people complaing about Amiga Inc being Scumbags or whatever because of this court action, have you actually bothered to read why it's come to this? Checked out all the facts on both sides? You think Amiga Inc didn't think about what they were doing and realise the fall-out that would happen?
OK, rant over. Now come on guys, get together and do something constructive. SUPPORT the Amiga system that we all want to succeed. HELP each other, stop knocking each back all the time.
You don't like the new Amiga? Fine. Go somewhere else. Buy something else, whatever. You do like the new Amiga? Good, welcome on board. Simple as that.
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@Spirantho
Oh, and to all those people complaing about Amiga Inc being Scumbags or whatever because of this court action, have you actually bothered to read why it's come to this? Checked out all the facts on both sides?
There hasn't been any statement or reply from Hyperion yet. Please do tell me how you could have checked out all the facts on _both_ sides.
You do like the new Amiga? Good, welcome on board.
On board of what? The next train to vapourland? Some of you guys never learn.
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hehe yeah, vapourland! Pleae open your eyes peopl!!
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pci video card?????????????????????????????
no ide port ??????????????????????
I'd like to see a standard Amiga, not an anonymous motherboard!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to see a good case, good keyboard, good mouse branded.
Only with a standard Amiga brand computer, software companies can start porting software from Pc to Amiga, like Mozilla Firefox or Open Office.
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I think @spirantho has some good points, and I share the views.
In my mind, if a new Amiga branded computer gets avaiable for a low price, people in my generation that used to have an amiga and only have good memories about it, will get one just to see what the fuzz is about. If the price is low enought.
The new amiga is even mentioned in the mainstream IT-news here in norway, thats how strong the name still is out there.
Low end machine = lower price = posibillity of larger user base (of geeks) = more applications = new machines.
But then again, I doubt it will ever be released together with os4...
If they blew it this time, the amiga brand will end up just like commodore.
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I think i will choose morph os in future seems pretty clear that there will be long before we see os4 on any hardware .. I have lost totally interest in the new "AMIGA" One " hardware though .. :lol:
EDIT : I guess this will be good for the blue camp as they may recive alot of new interest , If they deliver new hardware and the latest os soon..
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@ravnen
In my mind, if a new Amiga branded computer gets avaiable for a low price, people in my generation that used to have an amiga and only have good memories about it, will get one just to see what the fuzz is about.
...and will be extremely disappointed to find out that it "doesn't run all the good old games". Even E-UAE will be much too slow on it.
But then again, I doubt it will ever be released together with os4...
And even _if_ it will be released with OS4, but kind of future is there for AmigaOS?
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@humppa
Good point.
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First of all, about the gross underspecification:
Most amiga folks are going to want to at least play the latest games from two years ago...a la Quake4, etc., these require at least 1GHz and 128MB graphics memory to run. Laugh if you will but this is an old games spec and nobody is going to want to buy a machine that can't play 3D games of 2+ years ago.
Second, we have waited a long time and to think these amateurs at 'Inc' (won't even give them the dignity of calling them A**** anymore) think they can foist yet another fraud upon these community is laughable. I feel truly sorry for Adam; he's doing the best he can I'm sure with little/no support from 'Inc' (and what support there is is pure vapour). Adam: run as fast as you can before you too have to spend money defending yourself from these lawsuit happy fools.
Lastly, as for Hyperion, the amateurishness of the lawsuit against them is going to be dismissed if they even care at this point to file an answer. The failure to substantiate claims, lack of evidence, and gross misrepresentations in their 'depositions' is going to see the light of day. 'Inc' has demonstrated gross incompetence in EVERYTHING they've ever done. You'd think someone who has had their arses kicked from sunrise to sunset every day of their lives would just do the decent thing and go away. Does anyone think there is not an ARMY of hostile witnesses who would gladly testify on Hyperions' behalf against these frauds at 'Inc'? The whole thing is bloody rotten; if Moss and McEvil had any decency they'd jump back into the shat from where they arose.
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I think that there is one solution to these #$%^&**(*&&!!!!!
BOYCOTT!!!!!!
This will make them go into bankruptcy !! :madashell: :madashell:
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Minuous wrote:
400MHz is an insult, there are mobile phones these days that are clocked faster.
I certainly won't be wasting my money on this crap.
An insult to who? Not everyone can afford a $1000+ USD machine. This is the LOW END MACHINE...that will have low power requirements, probably can run totally fanless, etc.
If you want more power then you should be looking to next week to the HIGH END MACHINE. Geez.
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uncharted wrote:
Just out of pure curiosity, if I was to buy a complete PC (excluding monitor) for the same price how fast would the emulated Amiga in UAE be in comparison to this system?
UAE would be MUCH faster.
Just thinking aloud here, but if the speeds of native code on the ACK board and emulated code on a low cost PC are comparable then wouldn't people be better off with the PC as they'd get full Amiga compatibility? IIRC Amithlon was doing 400MHz speeds in 2001, surely UAE would be able to do the same 6 years later?
WinUAE would be MUCH faster and MUCH mroe compatible.
I haven't been in the market for a PC since 2000 or so and i haven't used UAE in rather a long time so I really am totally clueless about all of this.
You are perfectly correct... the cheapest, complete system from from Dell, would cost £320.. ~$600... that comes with a 17" LCD Monitor, 1 gig of RAM... 3Ghz CPU.. 160Gig Hard drive... DVD+/-RW... 13 in 1 Card reader... This system would run WinUAE to perfection...
Why would you bother to spend nearly that much on a motherboard alone... which is out of date, slow and barely compatible with you amiga software... just to run a simple, basic Operating System (with no bundled productivity apps... a la iLife etc...) that has name from your past?
Why?
WHY?
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xc8Bronx wrote:
I think that there is one solution to these #$%^&**(*&&!!!!!
BOYCOTT!!!!!!
This will make them go into bankruptcy !! :madashell: :madashell:
No it won't, it will just ensure we get NO future Amiga. Look, the problems between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. are just that. BETWEEN THEM. All the users want is available hardware to run OS4. It looks like Amiga Inc. is flexing their rights and going ahead and satisfying what people have wanted for years: new amiga hardware.
Let the companies battle it out in the legal space. Really there is nothing we can do about it.
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HammerD wrote:
An insult to who? Not everyone can afford a $1000+ USD machine. This is the LOW END MACHINE...that will have low power requirements, probably can run totally fanless, etc.
Exactly! Not everyone can afford to put $500 into a mobo which doesnt let you do most of the stuff needed daily, and requires components which cant be even bought at your local store anymore. But all this is irrelevant as we all know the era stopped here and it wont be continuing.
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Point is that you don't NEED a super fast CPU to run AmigaOS
This argument keeps getting rolled out to defend slow hardware, and it's very true - a 400MHz processor with no L2 cache and a 64-bit bus is fine for running OS4.
But, you know, most people like to do something other than boot the OS and stare at a pretty desktop. And many applications most certainly do need more power than that. Much more.
Will it have enough power to play DVDs? If so, will it take 100% CPU time and leave the system unable to multitask? Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned using a TV card. Is a 400MHz CPU enough to decode the output from a DVB-T or DVB-S card? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet my bank account on it.
What about emulators like UAE? Or tasks like OCR scanning?
Using not just a 400MHz processor, but a crippled 400MHz processor relegates this thing to the status of a very basic dev box. The 'quirky' specs don't help - 2 gigabit ethernet ports, but no IDE and only 1 memory slot?
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hooligan wrote:
HammerD wrote:
An insult to who? Not everyone can afford a $1000+ USD machine. This is the LOW END MACHINE...that will have low power requirements, probably can run totally fanless, etc.
Exactly! Not everyone can afford to put $500 into a mobo which doesnt let you do most of the stuff needed daily, and requires components which cant be even bought at your local store anymore. But all this is irrelevant as we all know the era stopped here and it wont be continuing.
You are speculating here as no one has actually seen this hardware running, so you don't know what it can or cannot do based on specs alone. But AmigaOS4 - being a small and efficient OS, SHOULD run most tasks quite nicely.
If you aren't happy with the performance then buy the high end machine. I don't see the problem here.
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DrBombcrater wrote:
Point is that you don't NEED a super fast CPU to run AmigaOS
This argument keeps getting rolled out to defend slow hardware, and it's very true - a 400MHz processor with no L2 cache and a 64-bit bus is fine for running OS4.
But, you know, most people like to do something other than boot the OS and stare at a pretty desktop. And many applications most certainly do need more power than that. Much more.
Will it have enough power to play DVDs? If so, will it take 100% CPU time and leave the system unable to multitask? Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned using a TV card. Is a 400MHz CPU enough to decode the output from a DVB-T or DVB-S card? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet my bank account on it.
What about emulators like UAE? Or tasks like OCR scanning?
Using not just a 400MHz processor, but a crippled 400MHz processor relegates this thing to the status of a very basic dev box. The 'quirky' specs don't help - 2 gigabit ethernet ports, but no IDE and only 1 memory slot?
And I say again your point is? If you need more power buy the high-end machine.
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And I say again your point is? If you need more power buy the high-end machine.
The 'high-end' system, whatever its specs, is going to be irrelevant. The number of people prepared to pay that kind of money for an OS4 box, given OS4's present lack of apps and uncertain deveopment fate is tiny.
A cheap system that had a reasonable degree of power is the only thing that will succeed now, because enough people may be willing to take a risk if the price isn't too bad.
But if playing DVDs or running UAE on OS4 requires £1000 hardware then all this hot air about OS4 being so frugal and efficient starts to look incredibly stupid, and sales are going to be miserable.
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Will it have enough power to play DVDs? If so, will it take 100% CPU time and leave the system unable to multitask?
Playing DVDs shouldn't be a very processor hoggingtask if the player isn't to clogged with bells and whistles, since my Compaq Presario with 233 MHz PII and 64 Mb SDRAM is enough playing MPEG2 compressed DVDs with no lag.(And you get more Power per MHz on a PowerPC than an Intel).
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@HammerD
Dr.Bombcrater explained pretty nicely in two posts how I feel, I agree 100% to what he said.
I know OS4 is light, and runs happily even on a 200mhz cpu.. but thats not the point. You want to also use some software.
And the "high-end" machine will most probably be just as underspecced as this compared to .. well.. any mobo today. My guess is that my trusty half-decade old 1.8ghz mobo+cpu will beat the {bleep} out of this "high-end" product of theirs ;-)
But you are right, I do not know what they will present, so lets wait. I will gladly change my opinion if it comes to that.
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I will get on things and tell all my friends to buy this new Amiga board to play World of Warcraft on.....
:lol:
Not....
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This is the low end model (The specs prove that). Wait for the next one, don't waste peoples time complaining about this model.
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Amigas were always on the cutting Edge, sure you paid a few dollars more than Wintel, but at least you had comperable hardware. Now this, $500 for late 90's specs. Look at the Xbox specs:
Triple core PowerPC running at 3.2 GHz, Xenos graphics processing unit
Playstation 3 3.2 GHz Cell microprocessor, RSX GPU
Wii 900 MHz 705 (G3), Hollywood GPU
Amiga 467 MHz pre-G3 603e clone, no GPU
Which one costs more?
Yep Amiga, low specs, high price. The CPU is an embedded systems CPU. Why is Amiga, which was known for it's graphics chips producing a machine without a GPU?
What a waste.
TjLaZer wrote:
Well lets see. If Amiga pulls this off (and I have a feeling they will as they are under new money) this will be great. I would rather have a non wintel crap crate that runs at 600MHz than a P4 @ 4GHz running an Amiga OS. The price is just right too, I mean come on! Under $500 for a new machine? The Amiga 500 cost more in 1987!
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Playing DVDs shouldn't be a very processor hoggingtask if the player isn't to clogged with bells and whistles, since my Compaq Presario with 233 MHz PII and 64 Mb SDRAM is enough playing MPEG2 compressed DVDs with no lag.
Yes, if by 'bells and whistles' you mean any of the processes DVD playing software uses to improved picture quality beyond the most basic decoded output.
(And you get more Power per MHz on a PowerPC than an Intel).
That is somewhat unlikely when the PowerPC chip in question is derived from a 12-year old core, has no L2 cache and a cut-in-half memory bus.
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bloodline wrote:
Just out of pure curiosity, if I was to buy a complete PC (excluding monitor) for the same price how fast would the emulated Amiga in UAE be in comparison to this system?
UAE would be MUCH faster.
Interesting. Perhaps pushing it a bit further, how close is UAE getting to AmigaOne native speeds? For example, I wonder what the time difference is between encoding an MP3 in UAE on a reasonable spec PC compared to using PPC native code on an A1.
Why would you bother to spend nearly that much on a motherboard alone... which is out of date, slow and barely compatible with you amiga software... just to run a simple, basic Operating System (with no bundled productivity apps... a la iLife etc...) that has name from your past?
Why?
WHY?
:shrug:
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For example, I wonder what the time difference is between encoding an MP3 in UAE on a reasonable spec PC compared to using PPC native code on an A1.
Not quite what you're after but some time ago I did such a test using Amithlon, which is generally less than 10% quicker than UAE on purely CPU-bound tasks like MP3 encoding (most of Amithlon's speed comes from its fast disk and screen I/O).
Using Lame on a 33.6MB WAV file took 72.6 seconds for a 600MHz A1-SE, 100.2 emulated on a 1.6GHz Athlon XP 1700, and 69.5 on an Athlon XP 3200.
So I suspect any modern x86 like an Athlon X2 or C2D wouldn't have any trouble running UAE faster than any present or proposed PPC Amiga hardware.
Be nice to have some hard figures on that, however.
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drewz21 wrote:
Flex-ATX form factor motherboard based on the Freescale MPC8349E SoC. (400MHz to 667MHz depending on requirements and price target)
1 (one) DDR2 DIMM slot expandable to 1GB using unregistered DIMMs.
1 (one) 66MHz PCI slot for use with readily available graphics cards.
Bah, crap.
It should *at least* have had on-board VGA, that way we would have had a complete "common base", following the true Amiga spirit.
I also imagined something more than a motherboard. I figured it would be in a minimalistic (small) case, ready for BYOKMM (Bring Your Own Keyboard, Mouse and Monitor).
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@skurk
This new system will be offered at a suggested retail price of $ 489.00 and be a complete offering excluding monitor in a finished design that will provide customers with everything they need to get started.
(From amiga.com)
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ravnen wrote:
@skurk
This new system will be offered at a suggested retail price of $ 489.00 and be a complete offering excluding monitor in a finished design that will provide customers with everything they need to get started.
(From amiga.com)
Oh. Oooh... Oh! Sorry :-) Maybe I was a bit too trigger happy there.
Sign me up then!
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mmmm $489.00
assuming that this is a "complete offering" is $489.00 fair?
~$50.00 for a SATA 80-120 Gig harddrive
~$50.00 for a case and power supply (this is not going to need a very powerful power supply)
~$50.00 for 1 gig of DDR2 ram
~$25.00 for a half decent mouse and keyboard
~$10.00 for a floppy Drive
~$15.00 for a DVD-Rom Drive
~??? video card ??? a PCI one??? I don't know if there was ever a PCI-66 video card out there, but new legacy PCI-32 mhz video cards can still be purchased for industrial use. An example of a chipset that can still be purchased for the PCI slot is the ATI Rage XL at: http://ati.amd.com/products/server/ragexl/index.html
we will estimate at ~$25
~$50.00 OS 4.0 assuming that copyright can get worked out.
That is ~$275.00 so far. It has been a while since i had a custom multilayer board made (for work) but at the complexity of a computer motherboard ~$200.00 with mass produced components this about right. If you make a large enough lot this may go down to at low as $125.00-$150.00. A mass produced low end PeeCee motherboard is $50.00 less processor.
So my total is ~$400.00-$425.00.
This leaves ~$64-$89 profit.
yes you can get cheaper hard drives, ram, or keyboard, etc, but not much less expensive.
Is $489.00 fair? If my assumptions are close to correct YES.
The biggest place one could save money is using a mass produced motherboard.
Things that would be cool, a hardware emulated chipset on an FPGA with a MC68000 on a PCI card, maybe the amiga could dual or triple boot different amiga OSs.
I agree with others video capture/editing and a powerful 3D engine would be very cool and consistent with the Amiga legacy
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Even those hand-cranked charity laptops that are being sold to stone age countries are faster than this (433Mhz). And much cheaper.
They should cut back on the RAM (1Gb is overkill) and ramp up the clock speed.
Yes, there is a high-end model, but so what? I have no doubts it will likewise be overpriced and underpowered.
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Such speculation is about as pointless as arguing over or recommending the correct armament for a Colonial Battlestar.
Well, not quite, you're more likely to see a Colonial Battlestar in orbit than you are to see this piece of vapourware in the market.
Come on guys, get off the sauce - this is all sound and fury to keep the lawsuit firing and the creditors/ rubes, er, I mean investors happy.
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Please no crap floppy drive, they are way to small to be of any practical use nowadays. It should come with a dual layer DVD writer.
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Please, floppy drive, 3.5" and high density, they are bloody useful.
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The biggest shortcoming of the classic Amiga was the inability to read/write HighDensity floppies, which are standard in the PC world. Another one was not supporting IDE harddisks early enough. Third one too late support for VGA-monitors. These three reasons were propably the most significant ones that stopped Amiga becoming the world leader in computers today.
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well that and the fact that there is still to this day no decent web browser. There where many things that prevneted the the amiga form becoming a mainstream hit "computer". the amiga strugled then a does not have a shot in hell today...not os4 not morph not aros.... any new run will just be for a few fans... don;t make more than 1000, they won't sell.
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Seems a lot of Amiga users are accustomed to apologising for out-of-date hardware. The original Amiga blew the PCs of the time out of the water. The argument's always the same; AmigaOS is lean, you don't need all that extra speed.
But why limit yourself? As though AmigaOS is so lean that it takes anti-cycles to run, it wouldn't benefit at all and there are no applications in the emerging high-def world to take advantage of it?!
We're talking about a gigabyte of RAM as a maximum. You don't have to use it, but that's the most you'll ever be able to use with that board, period. And that's crap, by today's standards.
SATA - okay, but at least parallel ATA is still supported unlike the graphics slot which is two generations out of date, talking genuine back-to-back supersession.
Whoever said PPC @ 600MHz would beat a P4 @ 4GHz, well... Brand loyalty is doing a lot for you and Amigans in general, isn't it?! :-x
Two serial ports... Why?
Two gigabit ethernet ports. Erm. Did someone get a {bleep}load of I/O ICs on the cheap? I guess gigabit is nice. Perhaps this will be handy for downloading all the video you can't play.
Basically, you can shout naysayer, but with question marks over the delivery of the OS you can't blame buyers for wanting to be sure they can run an alternative OS on it at reasonable speed before investing.
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guru-666 wrote:
well that and the fact that there is still to this day no decent web browser. There where many things that prevneted the the amiga form becoming a mainstream hit "computer".
Commodore was fecked long before the web was a concern.
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The biggest shortcoming of the classic Amiga was the inability to read/write HighDensity floppies, which are standard in the PC world. Another one was not supporting IDE harddisks early enough. Third one too late support for VGA-monitors. These three reasons were propably the most significant ones that stopped Amiga becoming the world leader in computers today.
I remember reading an interview from a Sierra-onLine executive back in the day where he said that when hard drives become standard for all new amigas they would restart production of game ports... but C= management was still asleep....