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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: MikeCarter on April 26, 2007, 11:19:51 AM
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...over other operating systems such as Linux?
Im a RISC OS and Linux user my self, but iv recently became interested in Amiga OS.
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It works well with Amiga hardware, to do stuff...
Seriously, please expand on your initial question. And try playing with the OS in its machine. It's good.
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The key things for me is the kickstart, not needed to load the full GUI to play a game makes it like a games console to use yet with the full power of a PC when you need it. (Internet, word processing, etc)
Also the fact that amiga drivers are named simply, letting you know what they are just by looking, IE: Audio.device, scsi.device, ioblix.device etc.
It makes the whole system easy to manage, you know what file does what just by looking at it.
Other than that its just small, fast and well designed. :)
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NONE...
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@MikeCarter
Screen Dragging! (http://www.osnews.com/story.php/11623/New-AmigaOS4-Video-Demonstrating-Screen-Dragging) :-D
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From Hyperion's OS4 site:
20 best features (http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php%3Foption=content&task=view&id=9&Itemid=.html)
20 reasons to choose Amiga (http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php%3Foption=content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=.html)
Varthall
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pretty much games only.
Comparing AOS to Linux is no comparison.. Linux dominates (my OS of choice).
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AmigaOS is fast and responsive even on low specced machines. I like the OS structure, and the APIs (for writing software) are cleaner than on other OSes. Just a pity that the software selection is rather limited these days.
Hans
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@MikeCarter
Classic Amiga (as a hardware platform) has some good ol' games.
As an operating system AmigaOS is rather limited and outdated: No memory protection, no resource tracking, no POSIX stuff. Due to this AmigaOS lacks some important software, such as decent web browser, office suite and so on.
Anyhow, if you want to take a look, there is a relatively cheap way (http://www.amigaforever.com/) to do it (AmigaForever includes legal licensed AmigaOS files, and there are various way to use them. With linux system you can for example boot from the CD directly, or use E-UAE with the included OS files)
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In technical matters Amiga have no advantages over Linux. But using Amiga can be still fun and good hobby.
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itix wrote:
In technical matters Amiga have no advantages over Linux. But using Amiga can be still fun and good hobby.
In technical matters maybe no but in useful matters Amiga has avantages jet.Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux :roll:
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sure Fran.. but who's going to want to boot up a 512k A500 to run Dpaint with very little ram left? Or to do the same and run the boing ball and clock w/a CLI showing the 'dir' command output.. lol.
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Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux
I think he was asking about advantages that are still relevant _today_.
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I can think of one! No need to gracefully shut-down. Just flip the power switch off. :-) ...providing that there is no disk activity going on, that is. :-)
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adonay wrote:
NONE...
So why are you even here if there is absolutely nothing positive about it?
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Piru wrote:
As an operating system AmigaOS is rather limited and outdated: No memory protection, no resource tracking, no POSIX stuff. Due to this AmigaOS lacks some important software, such as decent web browser, office suite and so on.
We have pthreads. :-P
Ixemul provides some POSIX functionality, but it's incomplete. My understanding is that being POSIX compliant is not enough to get a lot of software ported. It's the myriad of other dependencies too. It would certainly make it easier though.
Hans
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sure Fran.. but who's going to want to boot up a 512k A500 to run Dpaint with very little ram left? Or to do the same and run the boing ball and clock w/a CLI showing the 'dir' command output.. lol.
Take for example a expanded amiga and try see which OS lets you send your email quickest! AmigaOS will for sure win on such tasks, so i would call that a advantage. Linux and Windows is slow and not very responsive even if you compare a modern pc with lets say a slow AmigaONE running OS4.
It is no secret that it lacks quite a few modern features thanks to the developement being pretty much stalled since commodores demise. It does still however have some areas where it is better, which includes the fact that it is very lightweight and responsive compared to even the most lighweight linux distro running a lightweight window manager.
In the end it all depends on what YOU use your computer for.
I see no reason in switching to windows, linux or even mac if the amiga has to software to do your tasks just fine if not even better than your powerful beige box. If abiword has enough features for you, then why switch to a pc running word or openoffice? It would be no point, as it would actually take you longer to do your task then.
Same thing with computer upgrades.. Alot of people upgrade or buy a new computer, even though all they use their computer for is web surfing, email and some simple text editing. What is the point of using a new core 2 due with latest GFX card if your only using these apps? When your older PIII would do the job just fine..
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TheMagicM wrote:
sure Fran.. but who's going to want to boot up a 512k A500 to run Dpaint with very little ram left? Or to do the same and run the boing ball and clock w/a CLI showing the 'dir' command output.. lol.
Me!
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humppa wrote:
Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux
I think he was asking about advantages that are still relevant _today_.
errr!!! yes you cannot run quake 4, but why I need gazillions of cores, multi MHZ and tons of megabytes for only coping files, view the content of a media, or read o view simple text files or pictures?
A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited :crazy: because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.And most handheld devices have limited memory and they try to do all that a desktop do
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but why I need gazillions of cores, multi MHZ and tons of megabytes for only coping files, view the content of a media, or read o view simple text files or pictures?
Because you don't?
A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.
WTF? Did you also say that when the Amiga appeared on the market?
Fransexy says: "Don't buy this new technology, I tell ya, nobody needs a blitter for viewing text files or coding machine code!!1! It's a waste of earth resources to build it! Everybody should keep using their VIC-20, ok, you can run Defender of the Crown on this Amiga, but who need 512kb of memory just for copying files! And who needs a GUI anyway? It's much faster to just type the commands and it doesn't have to boot something like a Workbench!!1!" :crazy: :lol:
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humppa wrote:
but why I need gazillions of cores, multi MHZ and tons of megabytes for only coping files, view the content of a media, or read o view simple text files or pictures?
Because you don't?
A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.
WTF? Did you also say that when the Amiga appeared on the market?
Fransexy says: "Don't buy this new technology, I tell ya, nobody needs a blitter for viewing text files or coding machine code!!1! It's a waste of earth resources to build it! Everybody should keep using their VIC-20, ok, you can run Defender of the Crown on this Amiga, but who need 512kb of memory just for copying files! And who needs a GUI anyway? It's much faster to just type the commands and it doesn't have to boot something like a Workbench!!1!" :crazy: :lol:
I don´t say don´t buy this technology, I say don´t waste it, if you could do the same with less memory, why waste it? only because you have 10X time more?.The 8 bit machines were exploded to the max, they touched ceiling and exceeded it.Do you really belive that today chips are exploted to the maximun?
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I don´t say don´t buy this technology, I say don´t waste it, if you could do the same with less memory, why waste it? only because you have 10X time more?
Let me see, nowadays you can hardly find a pre-build computer with less than 512MB, most come with 1GB or even more. I see no reason why I should use an OS that only utilizes 10% of that when "copying files, watching media, viewing textfiles". _That_ would be a waste. Or is there a way of sharing that unused amount of 900MB with some poor kids in Ethiopia, I mean, just to save valuable earth resources? :lol:
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x56h34 wrote:
I can think of one! No need to gracefully shut-down. Just flip the power switch off. :-) ...providing that there is no disk activity going on, that is. :-)
This is different than NTFS, ext3, HFS+ in what way exactly? :-?
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Take for example a expanded amiga and try see which OS lets you send your email quickest! AmigaOS will for sure win on such tasks, so i would call that a advantage. Linux and Windows is slow and not very responsive even if you compare a modern pc with lets say a slow AmigaONE running OS4.
:lol:
I dont think "sending email quickest" is a good example.. I can shoot one out pretty quick under Linux. :lol: My system rocks and is very responsive.
It does still however have some areas where it is better, which includes the fact that it is very lightweight and responsive compared to even the most lighweight linux distro running a lightweight window manager.
Being that I'm a car guy, I always read/hear about the ricers (import vehicle drivers) trying to compare their v4 against American v8 muscle. One of the things they try to brag about is horsepower per ci/litre. Its like comparing a Honda to a Ferrari.. in the end its still a Honda. LOL.
Its great people still use it for internet, games etc.. its just silly to compare something so old to the latest and greatest.
-Alex
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@Fran:
A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.
Isnt that what gaming companies thought? Everyone has a 512k Amiga so lets design all games for that..nobody will expand it.. and thats why our games didnt get any better.
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Tomas wrote:
adonay wrote:
NONE...
So why are you even here if there is absolutely nothing positive about it?
What i mean is that the amiga os has no ground compared to Linux in these days "or any late main stream developed os" .. Linux is what you want it too be it is small or large nice gui or simply text based .. If you aren't an amiga user such as me and you from before i doubt you will be very charmed by the os as it is. We lack things such as a proper web browser or even a up to date office package etc .. We who use our amiga will defend this say we can do this and that but when you look in a wider perspective those ways aren't always more easy . What about HD video on a classic amiga computer or even dvd ? You may say you have no use for that kind of thing in your os . I will say i would rather have the possibility to see those kind of files than not.. Or for instance "real example" on my work we use windows as a os and some important way of demonstrating our work is done by a Power point presentation.. I can run that presentation in open office home and even alter some of the content but i can not use my amiga os the same way... I am also a big fan of some flash/java animation series on internet i watch it every week and have too turn too my second os in order too do so.. I would love too buy a screaming fast amiga system that would run the latest version of amiga os "4.0" or even a peggy to run morph .. But seems i cant even do this .. so logically i can not recommend a today's os user more than NONE. He will be used too running fast hardware " .. You may say try the good old ... For what too build a xxx$ system and then finding out parts of it may die any time soon. There is always winuae - E-UAE "i may add is great" but it does not run with out a host os hence not really a stand alone os....
Amiga os is great for hobby use when you have some retro insight in the platform .. we all justify it has futures such as screendrag etc but tell me have you seen a os with multiple work spaces .. Amiga was the first but now it is ordinary with similar ways that make general computing easy or not too say interesting...
It has nothing to do with me not beeing interested in amiga os i just tell the true story that i can not use my amiga for all the things i once could use it for .. The os is good as we know it but can not protect it self against the new main stream operating systems with enugh coders and money to produce new quality software with constant updates ...
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CannonFodder wrote:
This is different than NTFS, ext3, HFS+ in what way exactly? :-?
Only Amiga makes it possible! ;-)
At the file-system level, I guess there is no difference, however AmigaOS does not need to be shut down gracefully like Windows for example.
Not that it actually matters or makes a big deal. :-)
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Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux
Could you please post again using an unexpanded Amiga 500?
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At the file-system level, I guess there is no difference, however AmigaOS does not need to be shut down gracefully like Windows for example.
Btw you dont have to do that on Windows either. I have done that on XP many times. It nags when you boot but you can just ignore it.
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The Amiga won't complain.
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WOW! That screen dragging video was awesome!
Really thought that mig feature hadn't made it up to OS4. Looked really amazing in that high resolution.
Fak! I think im gonna need OS4 after all!
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There is nothing special with this screen dragging on AOS4, I have the same feature on my good old A4k under CGFX4 with an old CV64 with 1280x1024x16b screens...
It's just nice the feature exists.
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Being that I'm a car guy, I always read/hear about the ricers (import vehicle drivers) trying to compare their v4 against American v8 muscle. One of the things they try to brag about is horsepower per ci/litre. Its like comparing a Honda to a Ferrari.. in the end its still a Honda. LOL.
I like yank motors, but in no way can any one be compared to a Ferrari.... another thing, a honda can go around corners.
Apart from your Viper there isn't much you've got that can touch us 'ricers'
*edit* Honda NSX? Chassis designed by Senna? compared to what? the lard arsed Mustang?
Cheers
Sky
========= Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo ==========
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Fransexy_ wrote:
I don´t say don´t buy this technology, I say don´t waste it, if you could do the same with less memory, why waste it? only because you have 10X time more?.The 8 bit machines were exploded to the max, they touched ceiling and exceeded it.Do you really belive that today chips are exploted to the maximun?
Actually, I do... Run any modern productivity software (Music, video, compiler) and you can easily push current top-of-the-line dual core 64bit CPU to it's limit... If I can render my project in half the time, then I'm more productive.
Hey, Fran... would you like to buy a PDP8?
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Fransexy_ wrote:
humppa wrote:
Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux
I think he was asking about advantages that are still relevant _today_.
errr!!! yes you cannot run quake 4, but why I need gazillions of cores, multi MHZ and tons of megabytes for only coping files, view the content of a media, or read o view simple text files or pictures?
A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited :crazy: because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.And most handheld devices have limited memory and they try to do all that a desktop do
I'd like to see you use an Amiga process the 15MB RAW file my Nikon D200 spits out, or better yet the 25MB RAW from the D2X and then try and work with the resulting 60MB+ TIFF.
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What's so great?
Directory structure and system utilisation:
* Logical Assigns
* Disks have names which are USED, so one disk will always appear the same, no matter what computer it is on (sometimes my USB key breaks on XP because it doesn't always register as drive E:, a real pain!)
* Local (PROGDIR:) Libs, etc. directories override system Libs at a higher level if available for the current program
* If you don't like the format/disk copy requester/command, just replace the tool with a new one in the appropriate directory.
* Not perfect but highly achieved backwards compatibility for software using system libraries
* It's fun to program and use
* You learn more about what's going on under the hood because its intentionally un-obscure
Etc.
jaminJay
"It's all a matter of perspective."
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adz wrote:
I'd like to see you use an Amiga process the 15MB RAW file my Nikon D200 spits out, or better yet the 25MB RAW from the D2X and then try and work with the resulting 60MB+ TIFF.
I'm sure my Amigaone could do that no problem. Not as fast as a dual core PC for sure, but it should still be able to do the job just fine.
Hans
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1- Melts in your mouth, not in your hand.
2- Can easily be stashed away under the bed, next to your Ab-Master.
3- Wedge case make cool jumps for RC cars.
4- You learn a lot about the different shades of yellow.
5- Smells good.
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Hans_ wrote:
I'm sure my Amigaone could do that no problem. Not as fast as a dual core PC for sure, but it should still be able to do the job just fine.
Hans
And where exactly can one purchase a said AmigaOne? Whilst I'm there, will I be able to purchase an AmigaOne compatible RAW coverter too? How about PhotoShop, is that availiable as well?
Back to serious mode... Yes, I guess an AmigaOne could do it, if one, there was software availiable, and two, you didn't mind waiting a good while for your filters to process. I've tried working with said files on a PowerBook G4 866MHz with 640MB RAM and it is painfully slow. Besides, I personally don't subscribe to the concept the the AmigaOne is even an Amiga, so from my point of view, my initial comments are still valid.
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itix wrote:
Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux
Could you please post again using an unexpanded Amiga 500?
Good point. :-D
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adz wrote:
And where exactly can one purchase a said AmigaOne? Whilst I'm there, will I be able to purchase an AmigaOne compatible RAW coverter too? How about PhotoShop, is that availiable as well?
Yes I know that availability is an issue. Software wise, there's no OS4 native image procesing software available yet, so there's no software taking advantage of altivec (hopefully that will change soon). ImageFX probably has a RAW import module (haven't checked though).
Back to serious mode... Yes, I guess an AmigaOne could do it, if one, there was software availiable, and two, you didn't mind waiting a good while for your filters to process. I've tried working with said files on a PowerBook G4 866MHz with 640MB RAM and it is painfully slow.
My A1's specs are about the same so I'd expect performance to be similar.
Besides, I personally don't subscribe to the concept the the AmigaOne is even an Amiga, so from my point of view, my initial comments are still valid.
Well my A1 looks and behaves just like an Amiga with Amiga OS4. What makes it not an Amiga? Lack of custom chips? If Commodore hadn't gone bankrupt, they would have made Amigas with PCI slots, and eventually ditched custom chips for standardised components, once they were up to Amiga's standards. All computer manufacturers were heading in that direction.
Hans
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What's so great?
Directory structure and system utilisation:
* Logical Assigns
* Disks have names which are USED, so one disk will always appear the same, no matter what computer it is on (sometimes my USB key breaks on XP because it doesn't always register as drive E:, a real pain!)
* Local (PROGDIR:) Libs, etc. directories override system Libs at a higher level if available for the current program
* If you don't like the format/disk copy requester/command, just replace the tool with a new one in the appropriate directory.
* Not perfect but highly achieved backwards compatibility for software using system libraries
* It's fun to program and use
* You learn more about what's going on under the hood because its intentionally un-obscure
Etc.
jaminJay
"It's all a matter of perspective."
Totally agree. The elegance of the Amiga's modular[/b] design is unmatched even today.
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@ MikeCarter
If you read all this, you can see we have a diverse community. This question has played out many times and the debate always gets heated, some probably hang out for that alone.
I'm in the "..it's an elegant OS and amazing design.." camp. My systems have never stopped evolving and still fill most of my needs well. I use other platforms when I need to (Windows, Linux, Classic Mac and OSX ). I simply don't enjoy them nearly as much.
Like many here, I've been collecting Amigas, expansions, upgrades, software, and books since the late 80s. If you just climbed from under a rock and recently heard the Amiga name, I have no idea how you could sample a full experience to see if you like it or not. You almost need to know someone who focused their Amiga in a way you might be interested in (games, graphics, video, music mods, Workbench customization, "..how far can I push this machine..", etc).
You can do almost anything you want. I first got interested in Mp3s about 3 years ago. I now play them on a machine designed 20 years ago! Among other things, that spins my prop.
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x56h34 wrote:
CannonFodder wrote:
This is different than NTFS, ext3, HFS+ in what way exactly? :-?
Only Amiga makes it possible! ;-)
At the file-system level, I guess there is no difference, however AmigaOS does not need to be shut down gracefully like Windows for example.
Not that it actually matters or makes a big deal. :-)
I never shutdown my machines, whether Windows or Linux. On the rare occasion I do have to, I just switch 'em off.
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meega wrote:
The Amiga won't complain.
Neither do Windows (With NTFS), OSX, Linux, *BSD, BeOS etc
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Hans_ wrote:
Well my A1 looks and behaves just like an Amiga with Amiga OS4. What makes it not an Amiga? Lack of custom chips? If Commodore hadn't gone bankrupt, they would have made Amigas with PCI slots, and eventually ditched custom chips for standardised components, once they were up to Amiga's standards. All computer manufacturers were heading in that direction.
Hans
Its all just too cheesy for me, but I really disagree with the custom PPC path, it made little sense then and no sense now. Sure, you can run some native Amiga apps, but for the rest you need an emulation layer, that means, in essence, that the A1 is little different from my Athlon64, except mine is faster and I have far greater selection of hardware and software. Had they released Amiga OS4 for x86, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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I use WinUAE when I need to (gfx apps). Up till three years ago I only had my Amiga. I still have my Amiga and will keep it.
I wish that all my games apps and devies worked under Amiga OS, but they don't so XP Pro it is.
Shame, I don't like Windows. I really miss DOpus 4.
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I see no reason why I should use an OS that only utilizes 10% of that when "copying files, watching media, viewing textfiles". _That_ would be a waste.
So, hardware that isn't saddled with suitably bloated software is thus going to waste? You might wanna rethink that... LOL
Being that I'm a car guy, I always read/hear about the ricers (import vehicle drivers) trying to compare their v4 against American v8 muscle.
nitpick: i4 or flat 4 sure... but I can't think of any car that has a v4
One of the things they try to brag about is horsepower per ci/litre.
They should stop bragging and take note of the current Corvette motor or the pushrod v8s in the Engine Master's challenge that are putting out 100hp/liter. Personally, I have a BMW straight-six and I brag not about the power but about the sound :)
What are the advantages of Amiga...
...over other operating systems such as Linux?
One advantage is that since the Amiga OS doesn't include every feature that anyone ever wanted, there is no need to know how to configure that many modules/scripts/doodads. I gotta hand it to Linux, some of the distros are getting a lot more manageable for one who is not a professional. Still, complexity is a tradeoff, IMO.
I'll tell you one thing that I like about the Amiga (aside from all the stuff that was ahead of its time). You can backup your entire system by simply drag+dropping the contents of one disk to another. You can also restore everything by simply copying it all back... or even changing the boot priority and some assigns instead.
You could never do this under windows because of certain files being unaccessible while windows is running. Before win95 you could do it under plain DOS, but then long filenames came along and made DOS somewhat less useful (something that I am still pissed off about to this day to the extent that I insist on always using 8.3 filenames)
apologies for OT ranting :)
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On my A4000 604/060, 128Mb, Mediator/Voodoo, I start on same time.
IBrowse
SimpleMail
JaberWocky
BlackIrc
Torrent
WordWorth
PerfectPaint
Prayer2
DOpus
etc...
System respond fast and I have 60Mb of RAM free, on 50Mhz CPU only (with some help of PPC cpu ofcourse).
On left side of Wb I also open small TV screen via my TVCard and watch some movie.
No freezing at all and I feel happy working on my sweet A4k every day.
I know that you can do same thing on PC/MAC, but why if my A4K do job just fine, without any problems, without waiting when I flip screens/programs.
Sadly, this is amiga forum, but nowhere I can see any amiga user?!?!
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Sadly, this is amiga forum, but nowhere I can see any amiga user?!?!
Maybe you didn't look hard enough. ;-)
I'm still only using Amiga. Maybe we should start a new thread "Who's still Amiga-only in 2007?" I think there's at least two of us left.
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MikeCarter wrote:
...over other operating systems such as Linux?
Im a RISC OS and Linux user my self, but iv recently became interested in Amiga OS.
There is a lot of new hardware for sale that supports Amiga OS. :lol:
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@Mr_A500:
May I suggest a re-wording of your question? Very, very few people could claim to be only Amiga in 2007 though some (like myself) would love nothing better. I use my Amiga every day for everything except one or two very specific, unpleasant but necessary tasks that simply have to be done on a windoze box. Believe me, I would dump that pile of sh1t in a second if not for my hedonistic urges to buy things like housing and food. I think a better question is: "Who still actively uses "an" (instead of "only") Amiga for real work?" I mean a real one, not some cheez emulator..
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I'm still only using Amiga. Maybe we should start a new thread "Who's still Amiga-only in 2007?" I think there's at least two of us left.
Me too, i only have Amiga :-) and lots of them:-)
It does what i like and need:-)
AMIGA4EVER............
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If the keyboard on my A1200 still worked...
If the CD drive in my CD32 still worked...
If... oh, hell! I want a new machine.
(FWIW, I max out this Linbox all the time, makes my A500 look powerful...).
But, it emulates my A1200 better than a Winbox, so I'm not too upset.
I still do my pleasure coding (ie, not work or Uni. related) for Amiga OS, and use Cinema4D from my USB key whenever I need it, and PPaint if I can't find a GIMP.
Bring on AmigaOS X (the X stands for XWindows, if you couldn't guess).
jaminJay
"if(AmigaOS4 && newHardware) { money->makePurchase() } else { money->collectInterest() }"
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Modern hardware not being used to its full capacity? Mmm... I'm running a 4200 AMD X2, NVidia 7900 GTX, a Gig of FAST Corsair RAM, SATA HDD etc..etc.. and I can still make my system scream for mercy with ease ...Oh yes, that's the curse of the digital artist.
However, most.... that is to say MOST pc users only use this kind of spec for playing games. They would probably be better off with a games console and a low power consumption, small footprint, easy to use MODERN Amiga for the other stuff ....
...maybe the hardware will be available for this one day.....soon....next week? ...maybe. :roll:
My A1200T I use mostly to run stuff that has no equivilent pc software, science progs and other obscure stuff that I do for fun. It's a lot easier to use the pc for my main machine but I wish it was not so. If Ainc. get fingers removed from chocolate starfish and deliver on new hardware I'll snap up a new mobo in a flash.
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TNovosel wrote:
Sadly, this is amiga forum, but nowhere I can see any amiga user?!?!
Hey, I'm an Amiga user, but I use mine for playing games and tinkering with hardware when I feel like it. As mentioned earlier, there is no way that any Amiga out there could handle the kind of stuff I would throw at it.
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Tripitaka:
However, most.... that is to say MOST pc users only use this kind of spec for playing games. They would probably be better off with a games console
No, they would not..
What console has the following popular PC games?
World of Warcraft
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
Supreme Commander
Microsoft Flight Simulator X
Civilization IV
Gamers choose PC, and Mac, because certain types of games work a lot better on computers than on consoles.
MODERN Amiga for the other stuff ....
As long as the modern Amiga lacks modern applications such as MS Office, Internet Explorer, Photoshop and Firefox the Amiga isn't an alternative for most people.
Why bother with a small and obscure platform, like the "modern" Amiga, when you can have a PC that will run all of the programs mentioned above for the same price?
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@adonay
I agree with you on most parts that it is behind in many areas from modern OSes like windows, linux or macos. I was just reaction to the nothing part.
I myself use Linux as my main OS, as the software base on the classic just dont cut it for my daily computing anymore. But i still see some of the few advantages that AmigaOS still has.
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GW wrote:
No, they would not..
What console has the following popular PC games?
World of Warcraft
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
Supreme Commander
Microsoft Flight Simulator X
Civilization IV
Gamers choose PC, and Mac, because certain types of games work a lot better on computers than on consoles.
True to a point but the console makers are getting wise to this and the divide has become slimmer than it was, C&C 3 for XBox 360 for example.
As long as the modern Amiga lacks modern applications such as MS Office, Internet Explorer, Photoshop and Firefox the Amiga isn't an alternative for most people.
Again true but such software will only be written after the hardware becomes available and then, ONLY then will we have a MODERN Amiga. Your point is a cyclic one and not constructive at all, following your logic we don't need new hardware due to lack of software and we can't have the software due to lack of hardware. Perhaps that's the logic AInc. uses and why we've waited so long as it is.
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Wow all this sounds so famillier, though in the RISC OS world we are not lacking an Office alternative or photoshop alternative, just video, java, and a decent modern web browser, we have Netsurf but thats missing Javascript.
So would what would be a good way of getting into Amiga,
Wait to see what the out come of this new amiga hardware is?
Upgrade exsisting hardware?
Emulation?
Thanks for the help,
Mike
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IMHO: Wait for a few days and see if the AInc./ACK anouncment turns into something solid, a few days can't hurt after all.
Failing that, go for the Cloanto solution (Amiga Forever) or sell all of your belongings to buy over-priced genuine classic Amiga hardware.
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MikeCarter wrote:
Wow all this sounds so famillier, though in the RISC OS world we are not lacking an Office alternative or photoshop alternative, just video, java, and a decent modern web browser, we have Netsurf but thats missing Javascript.
Actually, we have ImageFX, FxPaint and a few other photoshop alternatives. They work well too. The only disadvantage is that they're have no Amiga OS4 native versions, so it's running under 68k emulation. They're still pretty fast though. Our office alternatives are getting old, and can't import/export to MS Office.
So would what would be a good way of getting into Amiga,
Wait to see what the out come of this new amiga hardware is?
Upgrade exsisting hardware?
Emulation?
Emulation would be the fastest. Look at AmigaForever (http://www.amigaforever.com/). However, I'd recommend keeping an eye out for new hardware. I have Amiga OS4 and it's definitely a big improvement over OS 3.9.
Hans
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First of all try the emulation .. AMIGA FOREVER package includes everything you will need in order too start including os and legal kickstart files ...
If you like it and deside not too emulate in the future you know what you are buying..
ps: amiga forever is woth its price and i am sure you will love that great package.. also to get a modern aspect in amiga os try the package AMIKIT on top of winuae and os 3.9 .. it will give you a more advanced envirement ....
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adonay wrote:
also to get a modern aspect in amiga os try the package AMIKIT on top of winuae and os 3.9 .. it will give you a more advanced envirement ....
Amikit is bl**dy wonderfull, I couldn't agree more.
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Tripitaka:
Your point is a cyclic one and not constructive at all, following your logic we don't need new hardware due to lack of software and we can't have the software due to lack of hardware.
It doesn't matter if it's a cyclic argument. It is still a valid argument.
You wrote: "MOST pc users"
And I was replying to that. Amiga isn't a viable option for more than 99% of PC users because Amiga lacks the applications that most people use.