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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: on April 25, 2007, 08:13:12 PM
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Hi there,
I am having very similar problems as I have seen in a previous post.
I just received my 3.1 ROMs and OS 3.9 CD.
What I have is an Amig 3000 with 68040 and 32 MB fastRAM and 2 MB chipRAM with 1GB almost empty hard drive.
I do have a nice Plextor 12X SCSI CD-ROM reader in an external box I used on an old PC I can sacrifice for this.
However, what I have right now in the 3000 is OS2.1 and it does not have any driver software to read CDs.
Somehow, I expected this new operating system to come with a floppy disk I could boot from that has the needed CD-ROM driver on it, just like good old Windows NT/2000 did.
Now, the driver for the CD-ROM drive is on the CD... not going very far with this... :-?
Like good old Scott Adams games used to say... what shall I do now? All help is highly welcome.
Thanks
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Maybe idefix (found on Aminet) works with WB2.1...was just about to check but the search function on Aminet is dead now :P
Check your Storage/dosdrivers if you have a CD0 icon there...can't remember if WB2.1 had a cd filesystem since it's a cut down version of WB3.0
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No CD0 icon in my storage folder...
However... that might be the solution... I have a SCSI controller on my PC and I can easily take my A3000 SCSI HD to the PC and boot from it under winUAE. I can also access the CD from winUAE.
What to do from there, however simple it may seem, is not something I know.
I also have another spare 1GB SCSI drive onto which I could copy the content of the CD and do the whole thing from the 3000.
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There is no built in CD support in 2.1.
You should be able to mount the harddrive in WinUAE and install 3.9 in the emulator. You should read some guides about this before if you have never done it before.
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Install 3.1 on your HD from WinUAE (I used WB adf files). Copy a CD filesystem to the HD you downloaded on your PC. Make sure it's unpacked when you copy it to HD or have a unlha tool installed on your HD.
Put the HD in your 3000. Should work as you have installed the 3.1 Roms. Boot and install the CD filesystem. If all goes right you have a system that can read your CD-ROM drive then.
Use the OS3.9 installer to make an Emergency Disk. If the installer crashes or doesn't work make sure you have the latest installer in the C drawer on your HD. You can get it from Aminet but copying the one from the WB Install 3.1 disk worked for me.
Boot from the Emergency Disk and install OS3.9. I formatted my HD partitions after I booted from the Emergency disk to ensure a fresh install.
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Flashlab wrote:
Install 3.1 on your HD from WinUAE (I used WB adf files). Copy a CD filesystem to the HD you downloaded on your PC. Make sure it's unpacked when you copy it to HD or have a unlha tool installed on your HD.
Put the HD in your 3000. Should work as you have installed the 3.1 Roms. Boot and install the CD filesystem. If all goes right you have a system that can read your CD-ROM drive then.
Use the OS3.9 installer to make an Emergency Disk. If the installer crashes or doesn't work make sure you have the latest installer in the C drawer on your HD. You can get it from Aminet but copying the one from the WB Install 3.1 disk worked for me.
Boot from the Emergency Disk and install OS3.9. I formatted my HD partitions after I booted from the Emergency disk to ensure a fresh install.
Wow, I may be a complete idiot but... I have no clue how to make an emergency disk and there is no installer in the C drawer in my HD because... there is no C drawer in the HD yet. I just formatted it because I tought it would be better to start from a clean new system.
Isn't there on the CD a generic emergency disk I can boot from?
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That's why I said install WB3.1 first in WinUAE on you SCSI HD. That way you'll have a system that can boot on your 3000 with which you can make an Emergency disk using the OS3.9 CD.
So you don't have to make a C drawer yourself. The 3.1 install will do that for you. Just boot WinUAE using the WB3.1 Install adf.
Emergency disks are made by the installer in such a way that they that they match your system. Most of the time this is just a copy of your CD filesystem with matching CD0 mountfile but I have some P96 settings too.
Anyway how would you get your Amiga to boot from a floppy you don't have? I mean you have to get the floppy to boot from it. And there's no adf Emergency disk file on the OS3.9 cd as far as I know... Just try to do it like I told you. Worked for me and really isn't too hard.
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@Flashlab
I don't see anything on the CD that would allow me to install WB3.1 so this is a dead end...
That CD HAD to come with a floppy otherwise, my understand is it's totally useless.
I mean, even from an emulator which can read the CD without any special driver, it is still impossible to get anything working from there.
Even if I boot my old WB2.1 from winUAE, the installer still complains about missing libraries.
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Okay, I got a friend with an A4000T. Loaded up the CD in his machine to try and make the Emergency disk.
Sure enough, we have an emergency disk and... it only works well with his machine... :madashell:
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That's what I'm trying to tell you; Emergency disks are made specifically for the system you make them on.
Anyway you could try to alter the Emergency disk made on the 4000T to work with your setup. Edit the CD0 mountfile and look for the entries there. Make sure the device name and unit number match your setup. I don't know what the device name of the SCSI on the 3000 motherboard is called but probably scsi.device.
And no the CD isn't worthless; you can install OS3.9 with it. But is does take some effort.
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Flashlab wrote:
That's what I'm trying to tell you; Emergency disks are made specifically for the system you make them on.
Anyway you could try to alter the Emergency disk made on the 4000T to work with your setup. Edit the CD0 mountfile and look for the entries there. Make sure the device name and unit number match your setup. I don't know what the device name of the SCSI on the 3000 motherboard is called but probably scsi.device.
And no the CD isn't worthless; you can install OS3.9 with it. But is does take some effort.
Yep, it's called "scsi.device" on the A3000
Just edit it correctly so that it has the unit number correct also whhich is the SCSI ID number you have on the cd-rom
Edit the CD0 with an Amiga text editor...
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I don't think the Emergency Disk will work even if you change the EMERGENCY_CD mountlist on it to the correct device/unit. This is because the floppy contains a copy of the AmigaOS ROM Update. Surely this is specific to the model of machine? So if you make the disk on an A4000, it will have the A4000's ROM Update, which probably wouldn't work too well on an A3000. A much better way of doing this is the following:
1. Install 3.1 to HDD from your Workbench floppies (or from UAE as suggested)
2. Configure the CD0 mountlist in 3.1 to correctly mount your CD drive
3. Insert the OS3.9 CD
4. Run the installer and choose the option to create an Emergency Disk
5. Boot from the Emergency Disk with the CD still in the drive
Simple :-)
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moto
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In all cases, I have to install WB3.1 which I cannot do because I don't have it.
I ordered the ROMs 3.1 and the CD of OS3.9 but I don't have the floppies for WB3.1.
Having access to the CD seems to be insufficient because the installer seems to require specific librairies and stuff in order to run.
Now, that being said, I had the Classic WB backed up somewhere and it required Kickstart 3.1. I think it required the wb3.1 system disk which I may have somewhere.
Somewhere being in my old archives.
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So you now can boot your AMIGA and see the CD? Maybe try to copy the installer from the CD to the boot medium. Installer should be in c: ...
Edit - Just found this.
For setting up OS3.9 maybe this helps?
Different Workshops German/English (http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/workshops.html)
Especially this:
Setting up OS 3.9 under WinUAE (http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/os39uae.html)
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Now this is truly aggravating... :madashell:
I just managed to get the floppies for WB3.1 and installed it in my main Amiga HD.
Just in case of trouble I also copied the content of the OS3.9 CD (except the videos) on an old Quantum 210MB HD which is formatted in FFS using WinUAE 1.4.1. (BTW, prior to installing WB3.1, I formatted the drive using OS2.1 so this is NOT a SCSI problem)
I made sure in WB3.1 that device CD0: is in devs and not in storage.
Does it see any CD on the 3000? OF COUSE NOT... if I have the CDROM drive connected to the SCSI bus, the device CD0: vanishes!!! If I disconnect the CDROM drive, that device comes right back!! (I can see available devices in diskmaster 2)
Does it even see the 210MB HD? OF COUSE NOT... I can't see my formatted partion on the workbench but the HD is present in HDToolbox which, when I start it, tells me I can't create a partition in FFS because a file is missing in the L: directory...
Now, should I have to assume that it is normal for random files to be missing after installing WB3.1? OF COURSE I SHOULD... how stupid of me to think otherwise...
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Sorry I didn't read the whole thread, so I might repeat some stuff, but it should be simple. 1st you don't need the 3.1 disks for your CDRom to be recognized, just install a cdrom filesystem that's AOS2.1 compatible. I suggest IDE fix wich also might solve a few problems of the IDE bus.
That's it!
As for CD0 driver from AOS3.1 not recognizing your CDRom, it can happend because of incompatibilities with the Amiga IDE's port and the CDRom (again IDEFix will fix this), or simply it's set to a unit/device that doesn't correspond to your CDRom. Open CD0 in a text editor and edit the device and unit to match your CDRom. If this fails, get IDEFix (your need to configure it too, of course).
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Ups, I see that you're using WinUAE to read the 3.9 CD. Never tried IDEFix with a PC but if CD0 from 3.1 floppies doesn't do the job you can get another CDRom filesystem from Aminet(like AmiCDFS) and try it out.
I just remembered that WinUAE uses it's own specific device for the IDE port so that might be why the CDRom isn't recognized. Can't remember the name but read the WinUAE docs, there's a tutorial on getting a CD recognized with it.
I think it should be easier if you got a CD/DVD working on your A3000, wich you probably want to do sooner or later anyway. That way the emergency disk you created also has a better chance to work.
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Try this method:
1. Install OS 2.x on your Amiga
2. Download CD ROM driver from Aminet
ie. http://aminet.net/search?query=amicdrom
3. Copy it to a 720K PC disk on your PC and insert it into the Amiga (Crossdos supplied with OS2.1 should read it) or use a serial connection to copy it from PC to Amiga.
4. Install the CDROM drivers.
Copy contents of C folder to C:
Copy cdrom-handler to L:
Copy Cd0 to devs:dosdrivers (or append to Mountlists)
5. Modify CD0 to match your IDE/SCSI device and unit
6. Mount cd0 using mount command.
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Jose wrote:
Sorry I didn't read the whole thread, so I might repeat some stuff, but it should be simple. 1st you don't need the 3.1 disks for your CDRom to be recognized, just install a cdrom filesystem that's AOS2.1 compatible. I suggest IDE fix wich also might solve a few problems of the IDE bus.
That's it!
As for CD0 driver from AOS3.1 not recognizing your CDRom, it can happend because of incompatibilities with the Amiga IDE's port and the CDRom (again IDEFix will fix this), or simply it's set to a unit/device that doesn't correspond to your CDRom. Open CD0 in a text editor and edit the device and unit to match your CDRom. If this fails, get IDEFix (your need to configure it too, of course).
- 3.1 will not recognise my SCSI CDROM drive
- There is no IDE bus on an Amiga 3000 and my CD-ROM drive is SCSI
- AOS3.1 won't even recognise an FFS formatted hard drive now other than the oe it boots from!
I am trying to install AOS3.9 on an Amiga 3000 but I do have access to a PC with WinUAE.
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pjhutch wrote:
Try this method:
1. Install OS 2.x on your Amiga
2. Download CD ROM driver from Aminet
ie. http://aminet.net/search?query=amicdrom
3. Copy it to a 720K PC disk on your PC and insert it into the Amiga (Crossdos supplied with OS2.1 should read it) or use a serial connection to copy it from PC to Amiga.
4. Install the CDROM drivers.
Copy contents of C folder to C:
Copy cdrom-handler to L:
Copy Cd0 to devs:dosdrivers (or append to Mountlists)
5. Modify CD0 to match your IDE/SCSI device and unit
6. Mount cd0 using mount command.
I don't know what cdrom-handler is or where to find it.
I may be wrong but I believed that if I copied the content of the CD onto another hard drive using the PC (which I did), I no longer needed the CD.
However, for reasons that are beyond my understanding, the 3000 will not recognise (mount?) any formatted hard drive other than the one it boots from.
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Okay, I was able to untangle myself a bit...
To get the CDROM drive to be recognised, all I had to do was specify UNIT=4 in the icon information for CD0:
Now, I can read the CD.
From the CD I copied the missing L:Fastfilesystem and now, I can also see the hard disk.
I ran the installer and created the emergency disk. Yessssss!!
Now I can breathe a little.
Here comes the next interesting part. I have a Cybervision3D card I haven't installed yet.
How should I go about this?
Install the Cybervision first then OS3.9 or install OS3.9 first then the Cybervision?
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First install OS3.9 under ecs/ocs next install the cybervision card using CGX (cybergraphics) version 4.
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PPC wrote:
First install OS3.9 under ecs/ocs next install the cybervision card using CGX (cybergraphics) version 4.
Will do that!
Thanks a lot to you and to everyone else who posted in this thread.
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Glad you found a solution!
Don't want to complicate any of your endeavours but you could also use the Picasso96 software which also has a driver for the Cybervision 64/3D. You don't have to buy the CyberGraphics V4 cd for that.
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@eslapion
"- 3.1 will not recognise my SCSI CDROM drive
- There is no IDE bus on an Amiga 3000 and my CD-ROM drive is SCSI "
Ups, sorry, I know A3000's have scsi but for some stupid reason was thinking all IDE when I posted that...:-)
But it was after all the unit on CD0 as we suggested, so, glad you found a solution.
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Flashlab wrote:
Glad you found a solution!
Don't want to complicate any of your endeavours but you could also use the Picasso96 software which also has a driver for the Cybervision 64/3D. You don't have to buy the CyberGraphics V4 cd for that.
I already purchased the CGX V4 CD but it seems Picasso96 has a wider support. Is picasso96 also a piece of software you have to buy?
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eslapion wrote:
Flashlab wrote:
Glad you found a solution!
Don't want to complicate any of your endeavours but you could also use the Picasso96 software which also has a driver for the Cybervision 64/3D. You don't have to buy the CyberGraphics V4 cd for that.
I already purchased the CGX V4 CD but it seems Picasso96 has a wider support. Is picasso96 also a piece of software you have to buy?
I would use CGX 4 if I were you, I once used P96 with my CV64 and CV64/3D card but will never go back to P96 again :-)
Don't forget this update when you after you've installed CGX4 in OS3.9 http://phase5.a1k.org/files/cgxv42_rc5.lha
P96 is or was donationware, think the P96 website is gone :-(
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Man this Amiga is turning in to a horror story.
For 15 minutes I had the workbench running on CV64/3D at 800x600 15 bit and I was on cloud 9.
Now I reboot the machine, the first thing I get no more signal from the CV3D and the standard Amiga display claims a software error.
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CVision3D
Program failed (error #80000004).
Wait for disk activity to finish.
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Now I power off the machine and then back on and all the CV display modes have VANISHED!!!
What the H377 ???
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With 3.9 BB2 installation you have to use the latest CGX4 update, without it you lose your CGX screenmodes.
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zipper wrote:
With 3.9 BB2 installation you have to use the latest CGX4 update, without it you lose your CGX screenmodes.
I have no clue what is BB2. The CGX 4 CD came with a floppy that said: Update disk - Run this disk first.
I ran the installation from this floppy and not from the CD. Since I bought the package only a month ago, I have no reason to believe it does not contain the latest update.
A little investigation reveals that the software (or hardware) of the CV3D may be incompatible with my Mercury accelerator. If I boot in 68030, I get no error message but the CV3D modes are unavailable. Booting in 68040 give the aforementioned error message.
Still, it feels like the CV3D is totally dead.
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I was fearing this exact problem would occur. With OS3.9 you need CGX V4 to up to date or you will lose all CGX screenmodes. It a stupid bug. Look above for the download location.
When you recieve Amiga software on a disk or CD never assume it's the latest version! To keep producing newer versions of software releases on a hard medium costs money the Amiga community usually doesn't have. Always look around for a more uptodate version of your software.
BBs (or Boing Bags written fully) are updates to OS3.9. You can get them here: http://os.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=12
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@Flashlab
You seem quite confident on this so I suppose these are symptoms you've seen in the past.
Having been through the process already, I can purge my HD and reinstall WB 3.1 on it.
I also still have my Emergency disk for OS 3.9.
Is there a logical series of steps I should follow from here? What should I install (or not) and in what order?
Also, thanks for the explanation and the links for BB1 and BB2.
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Ok everyone, its official, two additional components in my A3000 are at war with each other.
What makes my CV64/3D drivers crash is... the init040 of my Mercury accelerator!!! And without it, I get no copyback mode. I don't know how much this degrades my processing speed but that's what my investigations leads me to.
Maybe the patches will fix this but I doubt it.
Still... we shall see...