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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: DonnyEMU on April 20, 2007, 04:23:34 PM
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Boy that website update really stirs up a hornets nest of questions.. I'd love to know more...
My Questions would be:
1) The site seems focused around Windows Mobile Development, is there any planned development for AmigaOS..
2) When reviewing the amigaDevIndia site it's obvious that they state that they are an outsourcing firm. Some people here have assumed they would be doing AmigaOS development or applications for OS4. The reality is the outsourcing firm seems to only be interested in Windows "work" there is no mention of engineering solutions for business using AmigaOS. Businesses like custom solutions, it amazes me that they aren't at least doing AmigaOS applications development to provide custom solutions instead of going the Windows route?
3) How does the company which is based in the USA feel about outsourcing of IT work in the USA to other places outside the USA while there are tons of USA IT workers that are still layed off and can't find jobs?
4) AmigaOS gets very little mention on the site and there is little mentioned without a log-in. Should we assume support for Classic Machines and AmigaOne computers has ceased and only supported by Hyperion/Amiga Partners.
5) Who exactly did your new website and who is your public relations contact these days?
6) What technology will you be adding to the Kent Stadium Arena? Is it Windows Mobile? I see video cameras and boing balls only.
7) What exactly does your media layer do for Windows Mobile that the directx.dll from Microsoft not do already?
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I wouldn't hold my breath, but if I were to take a wild guess, I would say that AmigaOS as we know it has been long dead for a while, complicated by the choice of Hyperion to do it.
Again, speculation on my part. I have no idea. I'm just going on the same things you are. There is no interest in AmigaOS that we can see, and it should have been long-since understood that "Amiga" is now just used as a brand for Windows and portable software.
Then again, I'm extraordinarily grumpy with the whole situation right now, so take my response with a grain of salt.
Wayne
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I'd say yes..but it will be the same kind of answers as usual. There's really no point in asking them questions because they dont give you a straight answer.
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I think it's pretty obvious that they don't give a rat's *ss about classic/new generation users at all ... no meaning in asking them question they will avoid/lie to.
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One simple question from me.
What ransom do you want to release the hostage Amiga OS?
Other than that, I'm through. I think I have all the answers I need about AmiInc.
Plaz
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I don't think it's up to Amiga Inc as long as there is a legal issue as to who actually owns it and Hyperion has disappeared. Besides, you have no hardware to run it on.
There is zero chance of them releasing it open source.
Wayne
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Indeed the Amiga OS situation is kind of hidden on Amiga.com. What seems to be covered better now is the history of the Amiga, unfortunately a sneak-peek in the future isn't present, nor can I remember seeing a link to Hyperion's OS4 site. Even more frustrating is the fact that Hyperion is not among the partners-list.
On AmigaWorld there was a mentioning of the new office adress of Amiga Inc. This got me to, once again, do a 'whois' on Amiga.com. Then I see the name of Vince Pfeifer as a VP (Vice President?) of Amiga. As copy and paste is easy, the name was pasted in Google before I knew it which presented me with a piece of written text (http://www.ar-kleinert.de/executive.txt) from the Stone-age. It contains a section where Vince is introducing him self. Now, his reasons to join Amiga are a bit strange in my eyes:
Source: the above linked text, a.d. 2000 so really old non-news[i/]
Why I joined Amiga, by Vincent P. Pfeifer
Other than the belief that Bill McEwen could sell ice cubes to Eskimos, I joined Amiga to take on the challenge of turning a company's name and image that has become somewhat dated here in the United States into a top level, respected company in the computer industry. As I am coming off a successful venture in helping turn GraphOn into a publicly traded company with record revenues from the position of Vice President of Product Development, I was ready for a new set of responsibilities in more areas than Product Management and Engineering.
Amiga offers a challenge that I look forward to: build a company from the bottom up with the benefit of having name recognition and some technology already in place.
It is an opportunity to do something that I have wanted to do since my early days at 5th Generation when I sat on the Tech Support phones and listened to average users try to use relatively complicated software. I know that it sounds like a religious crusade, but I want to make computers easier for the masses, and with my position at Amiga, I have an opportunity to help influence that vision significantly.
Now, encouraging :crazy: not. Or am I just a little too negative?
So, maybe the next 20 questions should be at the adress of Vincent.
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Interestingly, I just got an e-mail from Bill suggesting that he's "ready to do another 20 questions any time we are".
So, if there is interest, let me know and we'll fire away.
Wayne
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Wayne: Give him a shot! At the moment we have nothing, the worse that can happen is... that we end-up with nothing.
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I'm frankly amazed he'd even consider it at the moment - unless Bill's that naive, he must know what questions would come up and evidently thinks he'd be able to field them in such a way that not only puts them in a positive light but still seems credible after what's gone before. Seeing as he is willing, I'd say go for it! The current situation seems so surreal that any information might help figure out what's actually been going on.
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Wayne wrote:
Interestingly, I just got an e-mail from Bill suggesting that he's "ready to do another 20 questions any time we are".
So, if there is interest, let me know and we'll fire away.
Wayne
It wasn't too long ago the last QA session. I say go for it, it is certainly relevant discussion here. And I'll submit a question for consideration:
Do you find the Amiga enthusiast community important to your business, if so, please describe how.
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Definitely go for it! I really hope we get a more straight answer this time regarding the future of AmigaOS4
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Do we get to fire live ammo at McBill? That would be too cool.
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DonnyEMU wrote:
1) The site seems focused around Windows Mobile Development, is there any planned development for AmigaOS..
They had to farm OS4 out to Hyperion. So I don't think they have the experties to develop an OS.
DonnyEMU wrote:
Businesses like custom solutions,
No they don't. They like cheap solutions. They don't care whether it's custom or not. If there's an existing product which does what they want at a price they like, they're not going to pay extra for a "custom" solution. Also, how compatible is an AmigaOS business going to be with a Windows OS? How will they share documents or hardware?
DonnyEMU wrote:
it amazes me that they aren't at least doing AmigaOS applications development to provide custom solutions instead of going the Windows route?
See above. There are already some excellent solutions available for businesses on the Windows platform.
DonnyEMU wrote:
3) How does the company which is based in the USA feel about outsourcing of IT work in the USA to other places outside the USA while there are tons of USA IT workers that are still layed off and can't find jobs?
They probably feel very happy about it, because the labour outside the US is cheaper.
DonnyEMU wrote:
4) AmigaOS gets very little mention on the site and there is little mentioned without a log-in. Should we assume support for Classic Machines and AmigaOne computers has ceased and only supported by Hyperion/Amiga Partners.
I think that's a safe assumption.....
DonnyEMU wrote:
6) What technology will you be adding to the Kent Stadium Arena? Is it Windows Mobile? I see video cameras and boing balls only.
That is an interesting question actually :-)
DonnyEMU wrote:
7) What exactly does your media layer do for Windows Mobile that the directx.dll from Microsoft not do already?
Who cares? :-P
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moto
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Wayne wrote:
Interestingly, I just got an e-mail from Bill suggesting that he's "ready to do another 20 questions any time we are".
So, if there is interest, let me know and we'll fire away.
Wayne
Ok:
- When will Amiga OS4 and new hardware to run it on be available?
- What hardware will be available for Amiga OS4?
Hans
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How about "do you intend to recognize the crackpots/community as a source of development within Amiga Inc" or "How long can you keep everyone waiting for the next 20 questions."
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Sod the 20 questions. What about hardware for the software?
20 questions are futile. It boosts Bill's ego and thats about it. There were no revelations the last time. Let Bill's sense of self importance implode and let him know that his lies and general uselessness are the reason we are still here in the first place.
Unless you all think Bill has been good for Amiga?
Where David Pleasance these days. He had his heart with the Amiga and even today could do more with it in a month that Bill has in years.
Sorry to rattle on. But Bill/Amiga - stop dangling carrots. We now need action. We now need hardware. We now need to remove Windoze from our desktops. WE WANT OS4 NOW.
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3) How does the company which is based in the USA feel about outsourcing of IT work in the USA to other places outside the USA while there are tons of USA IT workers that are still layed off and can't find jobs?
A lot of US software houses that are a lot bigger than Ainc ( ie. they produce something) have been outsourcing thier nuts and bolts development and patching to India for at least the last 15 years that I am aware of.
Gaz
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Ok Hans, let me answer your questions.
- When will Amiga OS4 and new hardware to run it on be available?
We want to see OS 4 ship, but by the time we get everything worked out you may be running version 5. I should mention that while we have only talked about it once, OS 5 has been in development in Amiga by Amiga engineers and staff for over two years. We have made some amazing progress and we are pleased with the results to date.
- What hardware will be available for Amiga OS4?
We are in current discussions with three companies, and I believe that two of them have product and offerings that offer a competitive opportunity for the Amiga community. We are striving to get these deals complete, and until they are signed I am not at liberty to discuss them. I will say that Troika is not one of them, contrary to what is rumbling out there. Currently today there is only one company with a contract that can ship AmigaOS 4 with their hardware, and that is Eyetech. It is my goal to have at least one (maybe two) vendors who can supply the needs of the Amiga community and help it grow -- it has been far too long.
There must be a clear understanding however that we are looking for people and businesses that currently have revenues that can support this business. We request a business plan, budget and current revenue figures that are at least $ 500,000.00 per year in revenue.
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I don't think it's up to Amiga Inc as long as there is a legal issue as to who actually owns it
Of course it is. AmiInc owns all OS source up to 3.9. If that was handed over to Hyperion, I'm guessing licenses for other platforms wouldn't be far behind.
and Hyperion has disappeared.
Do we know that, or have they just been served a gag order while legal proceding progress? I can think of several reasons they're running stealth at the moment. Doesn't mean they're gone for ever.
Besides, you have no hardware to run it on.
Pah-leeeze, there's a planet full of hardware to run it on. All it takes is a port. All that's needed for a port is permission from the IP holder. All we need is an IP holder open to the idea.
There is zero chance of them releasing it open source.
No argument there. Even as a corpse, the remains of the Amiga IP are worth $$$ and they're not going to give it away for free.
Plaz
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@Wayne
Interestingly, I just got an e-mail from Bill suggesting that he's "ready to do another 20 questions any time we are".
So, if there is interest, let me know and we'll fire away.
Wayne
IF you proceed with this, please consider input/output in terms of a forum thread, as opposed to a "news" thread.
From Framiga after the last session of questions were accepted and processed:
no idea if easy feasible but ... it would be possible to split the thread on multiple pages?
It takes too long on Amiga Classic systems.
Thanks
It's also quite painful to negotiate long "news" threads on dialup as well.
Thank you for your consideration.
#6
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You could ask if they think
(C) Diehard & Crackpot
would be a good name for an upcoming
cell phone game. Maybe it could be
influenced by Ren & Stimpy.
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"ready to do another 20 questions any time we are"
Sure I'm game. Let me phrase the sentiment of my earlier comment in to a question.....
Q) Will Amiga Inc allow smaller hardware vendors like ATI Innovations (SAM440EP Project) and EFKIA vendors to sell bundled Amiga Software on a 'per-device' license while dropping annual revenue restrictions?
Plaz
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You know one thing I have noticed is there is defiantly a renewed interest in Amiga as we know it. I have seen allot more activity here and on the Newtek's forum in the Amiga Thread lately. I wonder if more of us start squawking Amiga inc or whoever they are may take notice?
I doubt it but who knows?
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My question(s):
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@humppa
humppa wrote:
Ok Hans, let me answer your questions.
- When will Amiga OS4 and new hardware to run it on be available?
We want to see OS 4 ship, but by the time we get everything worked out you may be running version 5. ...
Nice cut and paste job from his last response to 20 questions. However, an answer like that just isn't going to cut it this time. We need more concrete answers.
Hans
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@Hans
Nice cut and paste job from his last response to 20 questions.
Damn, you noticed... :-P
However, an answer like that just isn't going to cut it this time. We need more concrete answers.
I found some parts in his last answers very concrete and to the point, e.g. "We request a business plan, budget and current revenue figures that are at least $500,000.00 per year in revenue" or the part that explicitly mentioned Troika as not being a party they are discussing/negotiating with. Another thing was him mentioning the legal dispute with Hyperion, that "is now in the hands of lawyers". He didn't _need_ to mention it (cause nobody knew or asked for it), but he still chose to do so, very much to our surprise as nobody heard of that before.
In hindsight, this explained at least some of the things that have _not_ been happening re: hardware.
This is information you usually wouldn't expect a CEO to disclose.
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@TheMagicM
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I share your frustration, however comments like that are very least unhelpful besides being pure nasty :roll:
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I would love for us to contribute good solid questions to Bill. I also think we should keep things positive and not resort to bashing, name-calling, and other childish behavior.
Wayne, please let us know when you would like to start gathering questions.
Thanks so much!
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I have only a couple of questions that i want a straight answer on: Have you so far given anyone a license for porting OS4 to their hardware? If not, then why not?
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TheMagicM wrote:
My question(s):
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I think these questions are just rude.
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I want that question aswell Thomas.
"Have you so far given anyone a license for porting OS4 to their hardware?" (I just cut the why not)
I dont think MagicM`s question were rude, they (Amiga Inc.) deserve some hard qeustions now.
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I dont think MagicM`s question were rude, they (Amiga Inc.) deserve some hard qeustions now.
I just the way it was formulated.. Just seems like a personal attack to me.
And yes, they do indeed deserve some hard questions regarding how they seem to have ignored the community and broken their promises.
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Lets face it, where's the incentive to develop OS4 for the community?
A1 numbers are small, 3rd party dev' interest is non-existant and the (OS4 wanting) community often comes across as a group of whiny, selfish, adolescents when things dont go their way.
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Here would be my questions, and if they were used I would say to Bill, "These are direct questions, please answer them directly and not give me the typical politician/media talk around answers."
1) Who is authorized to make the Amiga OS currently?
2) Who can and is, making systems or system solutions for the Amiga?
3) Would you consider simply making the OS available in a format that makes use of current technology; Ex- AMD Athlon 64X2, DDR2, DVD, etc, and allow the users to make their own system?
4) Linux is a great OS that is open source and has millions of users: why doesn't Amiga take their approach to doing business?
5) I understand Amiga is trying to run a business to generate income, but if you keep neglecting what your current and potential customer base, you WILL fail. What is Amiga currently doing to keep the current/future customer base?
6) In relation to question#3 - Windows (Unfortunately) stives today because of the ability to work on just about any CPU, Motherboard, Memory combo. If Amiga did go their route and sell Amiga OS4,5,6 (etc) as just an operating system, do you currently have the manpower - tech support, customer support and salesman to support such a task?
7) What do YOU think the Amiga means to people currently; it's purpose and future potential?
8) Do you honestly ever see the Amiga being the great system it was once in the 80's?
9) Who currently at Amiga or one of your partners, is coming up with creative and original Amiga software/hardware?
10) Why wouldn't you consider asking us, the Amiga community, for constructive ideas and help making the Amiga possible again?
11) In relation to #10 - There are plenty of hardware/software bright people in the Amiga community; would you allow them, providing they sign a Non-disclosure agreement, to work on current OS or hardware to help speed things up or to even bring "fresh eyes" to a project?
12) One thing the Amiga community constantly complains about, and rightfully so, is the lack of communication from Amiga Inc and all of their partners. Why haven't you given people information about the Amiga that really matters; OS development, hardware actually being made, etc, etc?
That's about all I can think of that I'd ask, but hopefully these got you guys thinking in the same direction and will spure more questions to flow. Thanks.
Ed
:-D :-)
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AmigaOS gets very little mention on the site and there is little mentioned without a log-in. Should we assume support for Classic Machines and AmigaOne computers has ceased and only supported by Hyperion/Amiga Partners.
LOL! Come on, wake up. It is the case since years!!!
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Here's my question:
When is OS6 coming out (I heard it's going to ROCK!) and can I preorder it now?
But seriously, the only thing I can think of his offer to answer another 20 questions is "Meh". Do we really need to waste more energy on this utter failure of a company that just happens to bare the name of our beloved computer?
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Development and distribution of AOS4.x is obviously down to Hyperion but do AI plan to have any hand in promoting AOS4.x either to potential users or to developers?
Does AI have a roadmap of any kind that can be shared with the community to demonstrate their (AI's) priorities and goals?
Everything about AI down to your very existence now seems to be questioned on a regular basis. How about you get the team together for a nice group picture so we know you're really there! (I'm not really joking here by the way...)
Then just the usual question of whether any new hw licenses have been or will soon be granted. Might be the same old question but, while the answer is so crucial, it warrants repetition.
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Hi all
I have a Q.
Hello Bill
If you think classic is dead, would you please tell me when i can go to my local computer shop and buy a OS4 Amiga.
K0rky
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My first question would be:
- With your right hand on your preferred sacred book (Bible/Talmud/Koran/...), do you swear to tell the truth when answering next questions?
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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Does enyone have, or will have licence for OS4 ACube,Troika, Elbox,Genesi, someone other....?
Do you negotiate with any hardware producer?
Will we have licenced hardware before summer?
Do you have clear situation with Hyperion about OS4 rights?
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Why? With past 20 questions there has been 0 answers :)
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as i see it now, its live or let die for the amiga inc as a company. if bill mceven comes with more crap answers to these questions without any fact to backup the words(like aos5.0 better than macos), then its bye bye...
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as much as i hate to take the negative tack, i must agree with everyone saying why bother with 20 questions. no matter what we ask there will be a spin on it with very few concrete answers. we shouldn't be running to him anymore.
bill if you really want to connect with the community you know where we are.
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@jkirk
Well, my understanding is that this time Bill McEwen contacted Wayne to tell him he was ready for another 20 questions, instead of the other way round. If he bothers to read these forums (and he'd be wise to do so), he should know what people think of Amiga Inc.
Hans
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that is what i think however if he wants to talk then talk. this hiding behind 20 questions is bugging me. if bill wants to make a statement then make one. if he feels that we have the wrong opinion of ainc, tell us.
the 20 questions are a way that issues (not covered by ususal communication) can be addressed(we have used it in lieu of direct communication) the 20 questions is not a pr campaign and should never be used as such imo. the lack of communication with the community (outside the 20 questions) shows a lack of pr knowledge/creativity or other reasons some good, some bad. i just feel that they should forego the 20 questions and just address the community in general.
all the 20 questions do is this
1 hey he is willing to answer 20 questions
2 time passes while questions are gathered
3 questions sent
4 time passes while questions are answered
5 answers recieved
6 answers posted - debate ensues
rather than waste all this time why not put forward what you want to say. we can skip 2-5 and go to the debate then he could follow up on his statement to clarify things. this might even lead to ainc and the community to mend the rift if they are persistant and honest.
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Have Amiga Inc. ever donated money to support AROS. AOS x86? or even realized it's potential?
My guess is no. Amiga would only put effort into something such as OS4 which may never see the light of day on modern hardware due to their own backward intervention.
I think Bill needs to take a step back. Maybe Amiga should employ someone who will receive and give respect from the Amiga community and not this mad man.
20 questions. Whats the point. More carrots dangled before us. Not for me thank you.
Now 20 questions from Hyperion. Now there would be something worth listening to.
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"edited by admin : personal attack"
This is a bit out of line isn't it? While we might not be satisfied with Amiga Inc's doings the above is rude. Bill is actually a nice guy IMHO and that things have turned out the way they are might not only be the fault of him.
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1) Who owns and controls the OS4 property (who has the rights to license it to third party, develop it further, or even sell it if that would be desirable)?
2) What is Amiga OS by your definition?
3) What is the future of Amiga Inc and Amiga OS?
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( Dude, that was really low.)
Perhaps, perhaps reality is even lower...
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Enough with the personal attacks guys. It's childish, rude, and unacceptable.
I put up a poll. Simple. Should we do another 20 questions, or not. No need to debate. Flames will be extinguished, and the flamers will be killed.
I just cannot believe how sad this community has become, to lower itself to such childishness.
Wayne
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Wayne wrote:
I just cannot believe how sad this community has become, to lower itself to such childishness.
Wayne
I guess it's a strong indication of how fed up some people have become with Amiga, Inc. (although personal attacks are still not nice)
Edit: Oh, just in case my vote wasn't clear. I vote: NO 20 new questions for A, Inc. The 20 questions for Hyperion sounded like a good idea. Or what about Jens Schoenfeld?!
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I just cannot believe how sad this community has become, to lower itself to such childishness.
I would put it the other way around. The community has grown to not accept the same bullsh1t again and again.
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Interestingly, I just got an e-mail from Bill suggesting that he's "ready to do another 20 questions any time we are".
I'd like to know if they've noticed DiscreetFX's interest to purchase Amiga, and if they have any comment on that. Or if nothing else, if they'd consider selling their stake in OS4 so they can concentrate on their Anywhere games without any further distractions from us.
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I'd like to know if they've noticed DiscreetFX's interest to purchase Amiga, and if they have any comment on that.
I guess it gave them a few giggles, that's all.
Or if nothing else, if they'd consider selling their stake in OS4 so they can concentrate on their Anywhere games without any further distractions from us.
That would be great, but it requires McEwen convincing Amiga Inc's investors. Good luck.
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humppa wrote:
Or if nothing else, if they'd consider selling their stake in OS4 so they can concentrate on their Anywhere games without any further distractions from us.
That would be great, but it requires McEwen convincing Amiga Inc's investors. Good luck.
If the Amiga OS market is as dead as claimed, why would they need any convincing? If there's no viable market for it then they're not going to make money off that IP unless they find some "sucker" willing to buy it off them. Makes sound business sense to me.
If, on the other hand, they think that there still is a market, or that one can be created; then hoplding on to it makes sense.
Hans
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Q: Why Hyperion is not listed like a partner?
Q: Why Elbox is not listed like a partner?
Q: Can we have answer session with someone else from Amiga?
Q: Who is hardware company that you didnt anounce last year at Amiga show in USA I think, or Italy?
Q: Can we get pictures of all Amiga wokers in the front of your HQ?
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If there's no viable market for it then they're not going to make money off that IP unless they find some "sucker" willing to buy it off them.
I think this is a very central point. My assumption: Their investors think/know there isn't much money to gain from the IP.
They still keep it (frozen) for two reasons: a) some deluded "sucker" willing to buy it b) making money from lawsuits against parties that might infringe their IP/patents. Not saying that this is a central part of their corporate objective. But keeping it doesn't harm them.
The rest of the company might be used for other "purposes", but I don't really care too much about the AmigaAnywhere/cell phone games part.
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Where David Pleasance these days. He had his heart with the Amiga and even today could do more with it in a month that Bill has in years.
Agreed. I doubt even Mehdi Ali could stuff things up so badly.
Do we get to fire live ammo at McBill? That would be too cool.
I've been practising Schoolyard Slaughter in anticipation... :-)
"We request a business plan, budget and current revenue figures that are at least $500,000.00 per year in revenue"
This would seem to rule out Amino, I doubt they have any of these 3 things :-)
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The only question I had that was rude was about his health..yea that was the only personal attack. As for the rest of my questions that were moderated (lol..a moderator getting moderated), dont be scared.. ask the real questions..not the politically correct questions.
Why the secrecy?? Are you in hiding? How come Bill Buck has a blog and freely speaks/answers questions when asked? Hell I can call Bill Buck right now (yea I have his cell #) and talk shop. No I'm not in his pocket, I just think is a good thing on his part to answer questions and be open about things.
Come on over Bill McEwen and register on Amiga.org. Dont limit it to 20 questions with 20 politician type answers. Tell it like it is and dont sugar coat it.
-Alex
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@Thread
Pretty close poll so far. Fall out from either a 'yes' or 'no' final vote should be interesting.
Plaz
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I can't belive how "childish" a-inc is. Insisitng they will release OS5 with out any schedule! Not being capable of releasing OS4. Then making a deal with the city of kent.... it's a joke, it's all smoke and mirrors.
I agree if Bill Mcewen wants to answer questions he can join a-org anytime... or better yet get (and pay for) a press conference to make Classic Amiga anouncemets. I'm pretty sure nobody here cares about the DE/amigaanywhere junck they call amiga.
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@guru-666
its pretty clear nobody cares about the DE/amigaanywhere crap they call amiga. it have always been aos4.0.
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Lovely Wendie (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)
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There really is no need for 20 more questions. Amiga Inc. is a joke, Bill McEwen has a very low standing in this community. By asking him 20 questions it simply serves to stoke his ego and keep the illusion of Amiga Inc. alive...
It is time to forget about this person and his company. I imagine he finds a great sense of self worth simply by being mentioned on Amiga fora... if we ignore him he will go away.
-Edit1- AOS4 is considered "Classic" by Amiga Inc.
-Edit2- Amiga Inc. have never, in anyway supported AROS. They even made demands that anonymous access to the source code repository was removed... quite why, I'll never understand...
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Re: Are we going to get 20 questions ever again with Amiga.com?
by Wayne on 2007/4/20 13:28:33
Interestingly, I just got an e-mail from Bill suggesting that he's "ready to do another 20 questions any time we are".
So, if there is interest, let me know and we'll fire away.
Wayne
Here's my suggestions (please excuse me if they've already been asked. I'm too lazy to read all 64 posts)
1) What are Amiga Inc's plans for the future of desktop Amiga OS?
2) Can you confirm/deny rumours that certain hardware products (SAM board, troiks, etc) are being held up because you refuse to give them a license to port OS4?
3) How do you feel about the possibility of OS4 on the PS3?
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Amiga Inc. have never, in anyway supported AROS.
They've never directly opposed it either. I wonder what might happen if that attitude changes.
Plaz
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Plaz wrote:
Amiga Inc. have never, in anyway supported AROS.
They've never directly opposed it either. I wonder what might happen if that attitude changes.
Plaz
Nothing, since they own nothing involved in the AROS project.
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Nothing, since they own nothing involved in the AROS project
You know better than that. How many times have decisions been made based on who has the better lawyers opposed to who's wrong or right? Besides AROS uses A.Inc's trade mark in their name, or did you forget? "Amiga Research Operating System". Hopefully Amiga Inc will continue with their benevolent attitude.
Plaz
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Vegetable, Animal or Mineral?
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Here are 5 questions:
- Tell us about the current situation regarding Amiga OS4. Note, that was not even a question :)
- How many companies will get a license from Amiga Inc. to sell HW for OS4 this year?
- Will it be possible to run OS4 applications under OS5?
- When can we expect to see or test a OS5 beta release?
- Will Hyperion continue to be a key partner for developing parts of the future OS:es?
- Do you thing Amiga OS4 will be available for PS3 in a near future?
/Xter
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I'm very surprised by the attitude of A.Org in respect of this topic. I agree maybe the personal attacks on Bill are out of line (a little) and a little moderation should be applied.
But for Wayne to suggest this not be open for debate? Come on.
I see a number of you claiming that Bill is actually a nice guy. That he may be - no-one is saying he isn't.
I work in senior managerial circles and I know a number of men and women, nice or not, being removed from their positions because they couldn't hack it.
If he can't do the job, then he needs to be removed.
....and he hasn't been "capable" of his role since he owned the company.
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Besides AROS uses A.Inc's trade mark in their name
Just call it YAROS then... ;) (Yet Another ...)
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Plaz wrote:
Besides AROS uses A.Inc's trade mark in their name, or did you forget?
Just call it AROS then, the letters don't have to stand for anything ;)
My question is:
Will the SAM be given an OS4 license? Answer yes or no, nothing else!
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Plaz wrote:
Nothing, since they own nothing involved in the AROS project
You know better than that. How many times have decisions been made based on who has the better lawyers opposed to who's wrong or right?
A inc couldn't afford the lawyer needed to sue over one hundred people in at least 10 different countries, which is what they would have to do to shut down the project. Also they woud look pretty stupid bringing a law suit against an Open Source project which uses nothing they own... look what happened to SCO... and they "might" have had a case...
Besides AROS uses A.Inc's trade mark in their name, or did you forget? "Amiga Research Operating System". Hopefully Amiga Inc will continue with their benevolent attitude.
Plaz
How vital is the word "Amiga" to the functioning of AROS?
Not very, I could go through the whole AROS source and change the word Amiga to AROS (AROS Research Operating System) and AROS would work fine.
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I think Bill knows all the questions, but I wish I tell him:
Why don't you experiment Mobile stuff on other platforms away from the dying Amiga?
There are companies/fans who wants it to survive and rise again... but you are the only obstacle here.
One additional advice:
Keep away from outsourcing from India, it will destroy all your reputation...
Regards,
Wajdy
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Asking AI any questions - be it 2, 20 or 200 - is an utter waste of time. The Amiga community as we know it is a bunch of people interested in desktop solutions while in AInc this is apparently just "backwater" overshadowed by all that mobile stuff.
Sounds like a truism? Well, sometimes truisms make good answers...
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What would it take to allow OS4.0 to run on SAM, Efika or any other PowerPC platform? Please the current situation is beyond being retarded.
We had hardware and no OS, now some people finally have the OS but you won't licence it for any hardware! From our perspective it seems childish.
Andy
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I posted (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46657) some questions when last 20 questions were made to Bill McE. Unfortunately, because none had a real, achieved answer, they are still valid:
Posted 2006/8/31
Re: Amiga Inc, in 25 questions or less
@Wayne
First of all, thanks for your initiative.
My questions to Mr. McEwen:
1. Does Amiga Inc. any plans for AmigaOS for desktop platform or will you focus only in AmigaAnywhere for portable devices? Do you still have any real interest in AmigaOS?
2. In your web page you say "Amiga, Inc. does not distribute or support AmigaOS 4.0.". Unfortunatelly, this seems to include AmigaOS 4.0 promotion... We have only seen news regarding AmigaAnywhere, but none regarding AmigaOS 4.0. Why Amiga Inc. has remained so silent regarding AmigaOS 4.0 promotion?
3. Will there be a future convergence between current AmigaOS and AA as one product or will they remain as separated products?
4. Do you plan to support in any way current AmigaOS user base and developers?
5. It was said any further AmigaOS version was going to be developed in-house by Amiga Inc. Is this still true? If yes, developing the OS in-house means a delay: new developers have to take and understand a work made by others -Hyperion-, so why not simply allow Hyperion to continue their good work? They are doing quite well, they have even done more than initially expected.
6. If Amiga Inc. takes finally back AmigaOS development, you will have to provide support for it and the means for its promotion and distribution. Any plans on this?
7. Hyperion has stated that they will not release a final OS4 version until there's real hardware to run it on, and that depends right now on licensed HW, so how many companies/individuals have asked for an Amiga license for its HW? How many of them finally got it? How many are currently active? If possible, coud you please give its names?
8. Will Amiga Inc. keep the made-by-others, licensed HW scheme or will you make any new HW?
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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@Magic-Merl
I work in senior managerial circles and I know a number of men and women, nice or not, being removed from their positions because they couldn't hack it.
If he can't do the job, then he needs to be removed.
....and he hasn't been "capable" of his role since he owned the company.
the problem is he own the company, if he are removed there is no amiga inc. so how will that help?
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Yamaha Raptor 700R (http://www.yamaha-tech.com/wiki/Yamaha_Raptor_700R)
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the problem is he own the company, if he are removed there is no amiga inc. so how will that help?
McEwen is "only" the CEO, but there are investors, venture capitalists and other financial backers who own the majority of shares in Amiga Inc. Pentti Kouri/Invisible hand, Netventures (http://www.netventures.nl/ENG/portfolio.htm), Prokom, etc.
So there will still be an Amiga Inc. if they would kick him.
If they would have the objective to actually make some money with Amiga Inc, they would have already fired him years ago.
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@humppa
If they would have the objective to actually make some money with Amiga Inc, they would have already fired him years ago.
On the Netventures site it sounds as if they actually wanted Amiga to develop, albeit with a different order of steps / with a different set of priorities from the current user base..
From their point of view, McEwen might be doing a relatively good job. Or, didn't they ask him to become the CEO again after a while? They may not have found a suitable replacement. Nobody knows.
Of course the big question is what their plans wrt. the OS4 branch are. Or indeed if they have any. Come on, let's have a little Executive Update. Afterwards we can still all unite behind AROS.
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A inc couldn't afford the lawyer needed to sue over one hundred people
Well 6 months ago they couldn't afford to fund a hockey team either, so some thing has changed. Even Hummpa points out that lawyers may play a part in any plan to inforce IP claims in cases of infringments.
Sure AROS can chage the name (I liked YAROS), but that may or may not be enough to avoid trouble with A.Inc if they get a bug in the bonnet about the project.
Plaz
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On the Netventures site it sounds as if they actually wanted Amiga to develop, albeit with a different order of steps / with a different set of priorities from the current user base..
That's what venture capitalists do. Remember that also VCs have investors. VCs naturally want to make their portfolio look as valuable as possible to get a good "exit" out of them (e.g. selling the shares for a higher price after they have pumped a lot of hot air into the corporate shell).
Of course they would never state something like "Amiga is only used to park the IP and some patents." :lol:
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TheMagicM wrote:
The only question I had that was rude was about his health..yea that was the only personal attack. As for the rest of my questions that were moderated (lol..a moderator getting moderated), dont be scared.. ask the real questions..not the politically correct questions.
I don't know who moderated you or why, but don't take it personally IMHO. I've been moderated and IIRC I've even moderated Wayne before :lol:
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guru-666 wrote:
I can't belive how "childish" a-inc is. Insisitng they will release OS5 with out any schedule! Not being capable of releasing OS4. Then making a deal with the city of kent.... it's a joke, it's all smoke and mirrors.
I tend to agree with this in spirit. I have a very low opinion of amiga Inc right now, sorry guys. I would absolutely LOVE for my opinion to be changed, for some hope for the platform be rekindled. I just don't see it happening ever. I have no idea where they are getting funding or why, but there is no tangible evidence any of it will improve the situation most if us here see.
Bill, you say OS5 has been under development for years. Show us something to concrete. The time for talk and fluff is long over.
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redrumola:
I'm not too offended, I would just wish that whoever moderated me, moderates what needs to be and not the other questions. But thats ok, I said what I wanted to say in my latter post. I may have blue runnin through my veins but I still get pissed off when the red side gets drug through the dirt over and over and over.
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Why doesn't the community just buy a majority of shares and then fire all current staff members?
I can't imagine it would cost much, the company must be worth bugger all.
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Here's a [rhetorical] question:
Is the future of Amiga Inc. more an application-based platform, or as a tool-based platform?
Microsoft's strategy has been to focus on system tools, like .NET and DirectX. Very few applications actually come with their systems, and Windows has a very document-centric philosophy. You can use pretty much any application to edit documents and media, but you have to rely heavily on 3rd parties.
Apple's strategy is to write their own software, and is a highly application-centric philosophy. Everything is very tightly integrated, but it's difficult to move things back and forth between vendors.
Amiga's existing strategy is application-centric, but it is also a hosted platform and not an OS. That seems to be a contradiction, almost the opposite of Java.
I bought the Party Pack, and was aghast at how few tools came with it. It's going to be very difficult to get developers to jump on board that way. Does Amiga have the resources to write their own software or resell others' products?
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TheMagicM wrote:
(lol..a moderator getting moderated)
That is a sign of health on amiga.org ;-)
A well balanced staff do moderate eachother, everyone can have a bad day now and then :-)
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I really feel that a 20 Q&A session with Bill is a Complete waste of time. What you'll do is ask good questions and get zippo for answers unless they are total BS answers. He may promise new hardware and a new OS and new Software along with 100 new companies ready to jump on board and bring the Amiga to Front stage again (tell me if this sounds all too familiar). But then again when haven't they promised all this (maybe not all at the same time)? I personally am tired of Bill, Fleecy and all the other idiots at A-Inc. I prob wouldn't buy a new Amiga even if it was sitting in front of me just because I know Amiga INC is run by a bunch of monkeys and That they would do something stupid again. Don't get me wrong I love my Amiga's and will continue to support anyone out there, with the exception of Amiga Inc themselves.
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@all
This might change the focus of the q/a?
http://www.amiga.com/news/?art=26
#6
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@#6
This might change the focus of the q/a?
Yes, I'm switching to the NO camp! ;)))
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Eh, what are these? Amino is selling video cameras? Or are they computers, if so, what are the specs? Who the hell is ACK, they don't even seem to have a website?
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@minuous
Where have you been these years? In a cave? ACK worked for MAI in developing the A1 and has been also OS4 developer, in charge, for example, of eth3com.device, the device controlling the A1 ethernet connection:
2.OS4:> version eth3com.device full
eth3com.device 52.1 ( 8-12-2006)
(c) ACK Software Controls Inc.
For some months he has been developing some own HW projects, including A1200 add-ons and stand-alone boards.
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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@Ferry
ACK worked for MAI in developing the A1
Should read "ACK worked for MAI in trying to fix the Terons".
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Should read "ACK worked for MAI in trying to fix the Terons".
I think you're both correct. He did a lot (or possibly most or all) of the work on the MicroAI-I which was never released. I think he had the rug pulled from under him at the last minute. He was talking openly about this on IRC last year, but I cant find the logs or remember exact details.
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Thanks for the clarification.
So, assuming that these are computers, I assume they are some kind of AmigaOne machine. Hopefully some (impressive) specs will appear, it's very unprofessional to put out such a cryptic press release and no specifications, not even clock speed...
The high-end model seems very overpriced, this equates to about $A2000. It would have to absolutely destroy the competition specs-wise to justify this kind of price. If the specs were that good, I assume they would have not hidden them. So the conclusion is that it is likely to be an underpowered, overpriced proprietary PPC box. I can see a repeat of the Eyetech fiasco ahead.
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He was talking of a 1.7Ghz PowerPC 7448 last year. It's not going to destroy the competition, but it is a very expensive chip. Moreso than the G5 I think. (I'm not sure if this is still the case).
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Wonder which OS will be released with this board, should it ever see the light of day.
OS4 or OS5?
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number6 wrote:
@all
This might change the focus of the q/a?
http://www.amiga.com/news/?art=26
#6
now thats what I call news !
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@Minuous
Eh, what are these? Amino is selling video cameras? Or are they computers, if so, what are the specs? Who the hell is ACK, they don't even seem to have a website?
I think the video camera is merely there as a 'device' in marketing parlance. its supposed to say the amiga is still in the spotilight, or somesuch marketing b0ll0x like that.
Rather no website than a non-updated one that is just flannel, or worse 'under construction' !
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Poll complete?
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yup mr bill mceven is being barbecued as we speak..
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No2 vaporizers (http://no2vaporizers.com)
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I have only one Question:
Ist an old Tradition of Amiga INC and Mr. McEwen to give many express promises, but after a time they tourned out, as hollow oder broken.
WHY should we now believe the latest promises? :-?
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something about a childrens fable with crying wolf too many times comes to mind.
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Was the poll still running, or are we done with that? I've noticed it missing from the front page since yesterday.
Plaz
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@Plaz
The poll was terminated earlier than originally planned I think, maybe because of Amiga Inc. announcement.
I wonder if we can already proceed with the questions now...
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Hmmm.... The 20-Q offer and the announment were made roughly the same time. So does this mean and automatic Yes or No to the session? If some one's said already, I missed it.
Plaz
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What happening with 20 qustions?
Will we have it or not?
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Let's wait an see what next week brings. There is suppost to be another announcement about the new hardware by then. No doubt leading to many questions, even if said announcement does not materialize.
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Agafaster wrote:
I think the video camera is merely there as a 'device' in marketing parlance. its supposed to say the amiga is still in the spotilight, or somesuch marketing b0ll0x like that.
Rather no website than a non-updated one that is just flannel, or worse 'under construction' !
That is so dodgy! It's a crappy photo of an old camera with some lame photoshoping thrown in. The whole site itself looks like it was thrown together using Micro$hit Frontpage :lol:
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the site looks gay indeed.
but that hardware news certainly is good news.
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I am gay, and the site doesn't look very gay to me. It would have a lot more design style and updated technology..Again not gay, our community has a lot more going for it than that..
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mikrucio wrote:
the site looks gay indeed.
but that hardware news certainly is good news.
How can you expect them to develop and build a new platform if they can't even afford a decent web presence?
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I think lets just wait and see . I know some guys that have been around for a while will never have any faith in Amiga Inc , but really if this does turn to muck then it may mean the end of Amiga Inc . If it does work then who knows what will happen in the future ? Right now there isnt much we can do but speculate and wait .
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Bug_racer wrote:
I think lets just wait and see . I know some guys that have been around for a while will never have any faith in Amiga Inc , but really if this does turn to muck then it may mean the end of Amiga Inc . If it does work then who knows what will happen in the future ? Right now there isnt much we can do but speculate and wait .
Personally, I don't give a hoot, for me, Amiga died long ago and I have no interest in these "new Amigas". I'm just tired of A.inc screwing the community members who really do want to see a "new Amiga".
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I would not say he has not come through on any of the answers. The web site was redone.
I really hope that there is a renewed interest.
Let's move forward with 20 questions. Let's create a good solid list. Some of you may not like Amiga or see their importance, but they do have the intellectual rights and that alone, makes them a player.
I am interested to hear what Mr. McEwen has to say.
S
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My questions:
Intel had announced Geneseo project and AMD had announced Torrenza project. Both project enable non x86 Co-processor with ordinary Intel/AMD boards. There is a plan by IBM to release Power series CPU for torrenza. Celoxica had similar plan with Xilinx Virtex (PowerPC 405). Is it possible for Amiga Inc / hardware partner to release AmigaOS 4 related Co-processor board for PC?
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I'm curious to know if they have a plan to negotiate with the OS4 contractors, and if there is a plan to fill in any gaps if certain contractors for whatever reason choose to withhold their particlar pieces of OS4 if Amiga Inc. should win their lawsuit.
Does terminating contracts between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion affect the agreements Hyperion had with the OS4 contractors? ie. are the contractor agreements invalidated as a result of terminating contracts with Hyperion/Amiga?
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So has the Q&A officially been canceled now?
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So no more announcements, can we get this answers?
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dear guys,
the phone number and e-mail for Billy McEwen have been posted several times on this board. It's a *confirmed* good number and and e-mail.... I'm surer there is nothing he would like more than to spend time with oldschool amiga nuts.
You can e-mail the slezzy McCheeze anytime you want you send him your own 20 questiosn and get your own questionable answers with out disturbing the community with confusing vapor dreams.
I the mean time know this .... the amiga platform was discontinued a long time ago, however you can still get good amiga via eBay.
Also know that while BillY mcEwen work for a company that has AMiga in it's name, it actualy has noting to do with the old amiga you are thinking of. Sorry confusing I know..
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So why did we have this poll anyway (majority voted in favour of the Q&A)?
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@humpa
stop whining and e-mail or call bill yourself..... do a search you will find his number.
@all
Bill McEwen
Amiga, Inc.
bill@amiga.com
Tel: 425.557.9600 x23
Fax: 425.557.0090
there you go, no reason to bore us with your 20 questions.
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there you go, no reason to bore us with your 20 questions.
Uh yeah, must be really hard not to click on the link, right? Why don't _you_ just ignore them?
Anyway, it's not just _my_ 20 questions, but also the majority of those who voted. I don't see your frigging problem.
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so send your 20 questions them humpa... do it. Of just pick up the phone and call the guy? It not hard to ignore the link, that I will ignore them if I feel like it.
I just don't understand what you could possible ask after last time and given the press releases. New info has been released, if they did not publish the info you are looking for they won't. They are just some small time company, Bill ist just some guy, he does not know the amiga and has little to do with this community so I guess I just don't understand your obsession with asking him 20 questions. Heck if your question has to with OS4 or the mythic os5, we don't know and Billy does not know, they will have to go to court and you will have to wait.
My freggin problem is that many of your guys act as if this BIlly guy has something to do with the amiga community. He is some opertunist with a vision of selling crapy games on cell phones....what that has to do with the amiga I don't know. He is not even very good at what he does.
cheers :elvis:
Bill McEwen
Amiga, Inc.
bill@amiga.com
Tel: 425.557.9600 x23
Fax: 425.557.0090
or just ask of elvis.