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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: D@n on June 15, 2003, 05:04:19 PM
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Sigh!
After a long time without a miggy or the resources to buy it I have had a stroke of luck I won £350 playing the trumpet in a competition and my first thought was to spend it on an Amiga!
Though I am not sure which one to spend it on :-?
I was thinking about the Pegasos/MorphOS as it looks really cool and seems to be being developed loads for and has lots of software being written for it.
And then I was thinking about OS4/AmigaOne as it is the official release and when it is finally released it will have a ton of software (I should imagine) written for it.
I also heard somewhere of a OS4 Kit for the Pegasos, is this ever going to be released as I don't think the AmigaOne XE is terribly good for the money, though I'm sure the OS is first class
Any suggestions appreciated
Dan :-)
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I wouldn't by either at the moment. The AmigaONE is just a Linux box without OS4, and I'd wait for OS4/A1 reviews before buying a Pegasos.
Both are overpriced compared to an x86 board, although may compare favourably with a Mac. IIRC the A1 can beat the Pegasos at benchmarks, but the Pegasos II will be better than the Pegasos - but it's not out yet. Don't count on an OS4 kit for Pegasos - you could very well be disappointed.
So I'd wait around for a bit. Try out a Pegasos and an A1/OS4 if you can. And ignore people who tell you to get their solution without any good argument to back them up. I'm currently waiting, but I've decided on the A1 route myself.
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@D@n
One problem with buying the A1 with that money:
It is quite a few pounds sterling *more* than you have.
The only board in your price range is the Pegasos, honestly.
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Allrighty!
In the meen time whats the news on AROS (I have a pretty decent x86 box) is it functional enough to run aps yet.
What about WinUAE hows the speed with that is it useful etc.
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@downix
Price isn't really the issue atm I hav a loada stuff 2 sell on ebay. But that doesn't mean I will be buying 2 boards however. Well not in the *forseable* future anyway ;-)
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If I had to chose between AmigaOne and the Pegasos today, then I would put my money one the Pagasos (or Pagasos2).
Does it matter is AmigaOS4 runs on a Pegasos or not? AmigaOS5 is supposed to run on anything.
MorphOS is out! And it got a 68k emulator. Its not required, but its a nice bonus. AmigaOS4 is however not out, and it does not look as fancy as MorphOS does. And MorphOS supports MUI!
I know what I want :)
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While I think that the PegII will be out "soon" enough to bring it in here, I think that waiting for OS5 is an odd reason to not buy the A1. Why not wait a few more years untill a computer can emulate the A1 and the Peg brilliantly? :-)
it does not look as fancy as MorphOS does
And MacOS beats them all :-D. OS4 will be very configurable, and I'd imagine MorphOS is. Besides, I personally prefer the OS4 look - it's all a matter of preference.
And MorphOS supports MUI!
So does AmigaOS. The difference is that AmigaOS is based on Reaction, while MorphOS is based on MUI. MorphOS certainly allows you to confugure MUI more, so I'll put that in it's favour.
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BTW: As far as I know. The Pegasos and MorphOS was Commodores choice of path into the future.
The AmigaOne is Amiga.inc official way. You might say that they are walking a parallel path for the moment...
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D@n wrote:
Allrighty!
In the meen time whats the news on AROS (I have a pretty decent x86 box) is it functional enough to run aps yet.
What about WinUAE hows the speed with that is it useful etc.
You can download AROS from my site with a whole bunch of stuff included, games and Apps. But sadly The Networking is not available... which is a bit of a downer.
Still it is fun to play!!! :-D
Linq
www.ahsodit.com/aros/ (http://www.ahsodit.com/aros/)
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I think that waiting for OS5 is an odd reason to not buy the A1
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You won't be running OS5 on an A1. It's far by obsolete by that time. You'll be running OS5 on ANY computer you want...
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You won't be running OS5 on an A1. It's far by obsolete by that time. You'll be running OS5 on ANY computer you want...
As will the Pegasos, PegasosII, today's x86 hardware and today's Macs. So what? OS5 currently has no relevence whatsoever to buying an A1 or a Peg.
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Hey!? It was you who said it, not me...
Well...sort of. But you get the point?
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Does anyone know exactly how AmigaOS5 is supposed to work? I don't want to hear any Tao nonsense. :-D
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My advice would be to skip them both for now... Buy an 1GHz Athlon system and a Catweasel MK3 PCI... Run either WinUAE or Amithlon.
Minimal install of Win98se, replace shell=explorer.exe with shell=winuae.exe in the system.ini file. Enjoy your CHEAP, FAST, CLASSIC Amiga emulation box :-D
Use a hard drive caddy and switch out operating systems, such as AROS! (thought I'd throw you a plug Bloodline)
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D@n wrote:
Sigh!
And then I was thinking about OS4/AmigaOne as it is the official release and when it is finally released it will have a ton of software (I should imagine) written for it.
My strongest reason for picking AmigaOne is it's coded from the original source code and they have access to the original chipset designs. Although a few people have come out and said, access to the original chipsets is a useless argument, I totally disagree, because, if it's not, how come it's so difficult to emulate AGA on x86s??? Even OCS/ECS.
I also feel that the group they assembled have a good feel for the spirit of Amiga.
In addition to that
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Rogue
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:43 am
No, petunia is external. However, the interpeter emulator is integrated, that's about 17000 lines alone, plus things have been added. All in all, there is now about 34000 lines of assembler and about 70000 lines of C in the kernel, but then, this isn't just ExecSG but also the emulator and expansion.library, which also includes the PCI system.
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Rogue - ",,,,34778 lines of PowerPC assembly source...."
Lots of PPC assembler, woooohoooo!
AmigaOne! You'll fly like in those ms commercials!!!!
Disclaimer: I'm not employed in any capacity by the companies behind A1, nor do I sell HW/SW, I'm just biased!
Quotes are from another site.
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Use a hard drive caddy and switch out operating systems, such as AROS! (thought I'd throw you a plug Bloodline)
Aye! It's freaky, almost like you can read my mind :-D (or my profile :-P )
My strongest reason for picking AmigaOne is it's coded from the original source code and they have access to the original chipset designs. Although a few people have come out and said, access to the original chipsets is a useless argument, I totally disagree, because, if it's not, how come it's so difficult to emulate AGA on x86s??? Even OCS/ECS.
Hahaha, you make me laugh!!!! THe Chips set is difficult to emulate not for any other reason than timing. You have to make sure the Blitter cycle ends when the CPU is expcting to to end and the Copper will be at the right location when the blitter ends etc...
The actual emulation is easy.
If timing didn't matter you could emulate each chip using a spearate task/thread and then let them run indipendantly as this would be lighting fast, especially on SMP systems, but this wouldn;t work as everything would get out of synch, and fail big style.
No, they do not have access to the original Chipset designs, they have been lost/destroyed/locked away in a Gatway vault. (Note: Gateway own the rights to the Chipset not Amiga Inc.)
Also the original source code is useless, don't take my word for it ask Hyperion if they have actually used the any of the original source code. :-o
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Well, Matt has a god point there...
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Does it matter is AmigaOS4 runs on a Pegasos or not?
It does to me. Having looked at the featurelists of both, OS4 looks more to my liking than MorphOS. Of course, you can't make a real, balanced, decision until both are out there... I chose to take a risk on OS4 (by ordering an AmigaONE), simply because it looks nicer to me than MOS, from the information at my disposal. And no, I have nothing against MOS, it looks very nice too. If MOS was on the AOne, i'd probably dual boot it with OS4.
MorphOS is out! And it got a 68k emulator.
OS4 has a 68k emulator, too.
AmigaOS4 is however not out, and it does not look as fancy as MorphOS does.
It looks pretty fancy to me. I'm assuming "fancy" means eye candy, and if so the only "fancy" thing that MOS has that OS4 lacks, that I can see, is a fancier icon system.
And MorphOS supports MUI!
So does OS4, and AROS (Zune).
I know what I want :)
Great! I know what I want, too. :-D
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bloodline wrote:
Aye! It's freaky, almost like you can read my mind :-D (or my profile :-P )
GMTA :-D