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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Bug_racer on April 18, 2007, 03:21:56 AM
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Now I want to try and find out a little more about this company . I tried wikipaedia and it says very little about it
Now its based in the US , has approx 20 people working in it . They mainly specialise in communications equipment and software for pc's ?
Im curious as to why they have Amiga patents and arent using them ? If they develop software why did hyperion develop OS4 and not Amiga inc ? And most importantly how much is the company worth ? Is it on the stock exchange ?
Now I know most people on this forum dislike Amiga inc fr many reasons , especially broken promises . Could somebody give me a quick run down on all that was promised but not delivered . The main thing which I have seen is the time its taken to release OS4 .
Thanks
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AI does not posess (sp?) the technical knowledge on how to develop a operating system. Thats why they hired the Frieden brothers to code OS4. Nobody knows what the company is worth and you cant buy shares in AI, its not public.
They arent using the patents because they cannot make their own hardware or design it. Again, lack of expertise. IMO I think they are milking the Amiga name for all they can. If you look at their software, its really cheap (in quality). There isnt a decent game sold by them thats actually worth buying.
I'm not going to waste my time on AI's broken promises...too much to type..
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Read this post;
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/141143.shtml
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I can answer your questions somewhat. I'm the (in)famous Bolton Peck, the guy who worked there and didn't get paid for a lot of that time, then after their broken promises, sued them and won. It was kind of a pyrhic victory, as they have yet to pay me a cent. I worked there from 2000 to 2002, and was lucky enough to be there for some of the good times, when there was money, before the bad times when there wasn't.
They (well mostly their CTO, Fleecy Moss) had this vision of 'write once, run anywhere' software, they wanted to extend and enhance the API of British software firm Tao's Intent/Elate virtual processor platform. It was pretty cool in some ways, it ran on a slew of host processors, but to code for it you only had to write for its' native VP or Virtual Processor. Code written this way could theoretically be run on any environment capable of running Intent. Intent was the underpinning, Elate was Tao's GUI layer. The underpinning was very dependent on host hardware and software-it couldn't even access CD drives or removable media until we made it do so. Their Elate GUI layer was, well, let's say it wouldn't give Amiga Workbench 1.0 a run for its money. Our coding department worked mightily for years to get it going, but it was just too much of a kludge to be really useful in the real world-the promised sound, 2D and 3D acceleration never saw the light of day.
There were a few remarkable apps made for it, many by developer ZeoNeo, and I was the tester who was charged with testing these apps, among others. Initially I had a test lead but he left after a month or two of no money, that was in 2001. Smart guy..
Anyway, long story short, there was at one time a fair amount of investor interest in it, but then Java got so much better, and Tao's initially good Java offering couldn't keep up because it couldn't do swing. But Java got everywhere so what was the point of writing for this VP thing which, despite the cool repackage and Amiga boingball, could really only run on WinCE, other Windows flavors, and on Linux if you were lucky. Investor interest dried up, and a slew of bad management decisions caught up to Amiga.
They had a sort of love-hate relationship with the 'Classic' community, who they often saw as a bunch of die-hards and crackpots. Yet, when they needed money, they'd just repackage whatever was on the slab, stick some Amiga graphics on it, and be sure it'd sell to at least 1500 of those crackpots in Classic land. The Classic community were the ONLY people who ever bought anything from Amiga. They learned that lesson way too late. No one wanted Fleecy's half baked 'Digital Environment' enough to keep dumping money into the company.
When I got there in 2000, Bill McEwen told us all that 'Classic is dead. There's no money there at all in that market.' I didn't agree, and it turns out he was kind of wrong. Hyperion took on OS 4 entirely on their own, it was their idea, and they actually had to kind of goad Amiga into letting them use the name. Interestingly, there were even brief talks between MorphOS crew and Amiga to have MorphOS be the next Amiga OS. Sadly, the battle of egos on both sides crushed that idea. No one could come to a deal everyone liked. :-( So Hyperion had to start basically from scratch, although they did have at least parts of the OS 3.1 sources.
Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want people confusing Amiga OS as we knew it with the new Digital Environment that Fleecy envisioned, so we didn't use it. It was good enough-we coulda had it in CompUSA in two months. Pre-Release CD 6 could have just gone gold as it was and been a hundred times the seller that the 'party Pack' was. I still have the Amithlon pre-release CDs. Every now and then I fire it up, it is wonderful for emulating an OS 3.1 box, and it was faster on an Athlon 900 than my Cyberstorm could ever hope to be.
Boat. Missed.
I have no idea how they are surviving today. I wish them well. I wish they'd pay me.
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Hi Bolton, very sad to read your post. It's clear Fleecy and Bill are idiots.
If it wasn't for their stupid decisions we would all be running MorphOS (which would have been renamed Amiga OS 4), or even Amithlon renamed OS4 on X86 native cpus probably by now.
Ok, Hyperion has done a great job on OS4...it is a better product than I would have envisioned. But without hardware and the current legal problems it's not helping anyone.
Very sad situation...and that sucks they haven't paid you! Is there anything you can do?
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Well, according to their newly revamped website, it says they have entered into some sort of deal with the city of Kent, Washington to name some sports arena the 'Amiga Center' and it seems to me like the good city of Kent needs to know what kind of people they're giving millions of dollars to. I think my attorney needs, first thing in the morning, to check this out and find out why they haven't paid me yet.
If their marketing hype is even somewhat true, it implies they have money. this implies I can take what is owed to me. I'd like that.
Thanks for the support. The Amiga community at large has really been pretty supportive of people who've been hozed by Amiga. Also, I kinda wonder if Fleecy's still around Amiga or if he bailed. I don't know for sure on that.
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Well, according to their newly revamped website, it says they have entered into some sort of deal with the city of Kent, Washington to name some sports arena the 'Amiga Center' and it seems to me like the good city of Kent needs to know what kind of people they're giving millions of dollars to. I think my attorney needs, first thing in the morning, to check this out and find out why they haven't paid me yet.
Is it not Amiga INC that is paying them and not vice versa?
The only thing i know about fleecy is that Bill McEwen stated that he was still working for Amiga INC during the 20 questions a few months back.
It is indeed sad that they go into such deals when they apparently have not even paid what people were owed.
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Great post Bolton.
I was asked by friends why in the heck they don't just keep working on Amithlon since they were impressed by the speed. The only answer I could tell them is that they stopped.
But I think now they had some updates to it so that it can run on newer hardware. For the most part, if they would have kept spending all the time to making amithlon better, then definately it would have been worth selling, but now its probably too late anyways. Windows, Linux, and MAC do all that you want... Java, web browsers, games, anything....
:-(
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thank you for the post Bolton. I hope you get your hard earned $. Best of luck to you!
They had a sort of love-hate relationship with the 'Classic' community, who they often saw as a bunch of die-hards and crackpots. Yet, when they needed money, they'd just repackage whatever was on the slab, stick some Amiga graphics on it, and be sure it'd sell to at least 1500 of those crackpots in Classic land.
that says it all from a insider. I figured thats all that they were using the Amiga name/community for.
-Alex
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@Hammer:
If it wasn't for their stupid decisions we would all be running MorphOS (which would have been renamed Amiga OS 4), or even Amithlon renamed OS4 on X86 native cpus probably by now.
That would have been the best decision ever. Looks who's still standing? x86 Amiga OS..plenty of hardware. Look at MacOS, they're not doing bad on X86. But I digress.
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@Tron2k2
thanks for the inside info, it was a good informative read on how things worked at ainc. the truth is always good to hear.... i hope you get your money back...
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From the looks of it, we will never get anything of substance from Amiga Inc. Therefore, no one should support them or acknowledge them.
I had heard that Hyperion was doing good things with OS4, but there is practically nothing to run it on, so it is little more than a novelty.
I saw the suggestion about the fact that MorphOS could've been running as OS4 and that we could've had x86 Amigas. While not true to the classic sense of the Amiga, I still would've sucked something like that up in a heartbeat.
I wish there was a light at the end of this tunnel. But the boat was missed, for that I sadly agree.
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@Tron2k2
Thanks for sharing this information. It's a sad story.
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it does?
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Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want people confusing Amiga OS as we knew it with the new Digital Environment that Fleecy envisioned, so we didn't use it.
I have a feeling that this part is one of the reasons why no one is getting a license. They dont want AmigaOS4 being confused with AmigaAnywhere which they have also named AmigaOS in some of their press releases.
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Tomas,
I have a feeling that this part is one of the reasons why no one is getting a license. They dont want AmigaOS4 being confused with AmigaAnywhere which they have also named AmigaOS in some of their press releases.
It wouldn't be a surprise to find that is part of the reason. At the same time I have to wonder why Hyperion was so anxious to use the Amiga name in their OS in the first place, and why they apparently insist on keeping it now.
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bunch of die-hards and crackpots
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jorkany wrote:
Tomas,
I have a feeling that this part is one of the reasons why no one is getting a license. They dont want AmigaOS4 being confused with AmigaAnywhere which they have also named AmigaOS in some of their press releases.
It wouldn't be a surprise to find that is part of the reason. At the same time I have to wonder why Hyperion was so anxious to use the Amiga name in their OS in the first place, and why they apparently insist on keeping it now.
t3h n4m3!!!!!1!11!!!1
Hyp3OS i5 t3h tru3 4m1g4!!!!!!1
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While I've never looked into Amiga's acquisition of Ruksun/Amiga Dev India, I've got a feeling that this might explain some things. From a brief look at their site, Ruksun appear to be a decently sized company, with a fair few products (two of which are hosted on AA) and probably international ambitions. Amiga inc have the name and the AmigaDE technology that Ruksun appears to have made some use out of, but no real products or infrastructure to speak of. If I were Ruksun, I'd have wanted to buy up A inc cheaply - the Amiga name would give them a bit of help expanding abroad, and they'd gain full control over the AmigaDE if they wanted to base any further products on that platform.
Now, while the reverse appears to have happened (A inc acquiring Ruksun), I'm well aware that lawyers are perfectly capable of obfuscating any transaction of this nature. The alternative is that Amiga's investors were interested in getting hold of Ruksun and chose to do so through A inc. Whatever - the end result would be pretty similar; Amiga's direction being steered very much by Ruksun/ADI, and A inc themselves acting as little more than a legal entity and a shopfront.
The Kent Events Centre sponsorship makes more sense then as well - ADI/Ruksun probably have the money for that, and that'll make them seem all-American to US customers who may otherwise not feel quite as comfortable dealing with an Indian firm. The Amiga name itself would probably help them in Europe, as well.
If something like this is the case, you have to wonder what it spells for AmigaOS and related developments. Ruksun/ADI appear to have lots of synergies in terms of hand-held devices, but if they are in control now, how would they feel about AOS? We'd just have to hope they didn't simply view it as diluting what they want the "Amiga" brand to be...
All speculation of course, and apologies if someone's mentioned this months before (I haven't really been following Amiga so much lately)
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That's very interesting 'alx'. I didn't know about the Ruksun acquistion. A quick search found this site:
http://www.ruksun.com/html/aboutruksun.htm
...which looks startlingly similar to the 'new' Amiga, Inc. (www.amiga.com) site put up yesterday (especially the tabs near the top). So who is controlling who?
Whoah...I just found this:
http://amigadevindia.com/
"Ruksun is now Amiga Development India"
I must have really been out of the loop...
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I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...
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a-pex wrote:
I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...
I dont think i know about that story.
Can you share it with us?
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@a-pex
Are you talking about the kickstart 3.9 thing? AFAIK you only patched a kickstart rom, relabeled the version number to "3.9" (for fun) and made a video out of it, right?
I read somewhere that you were immediately contacted by Amiga Inc lawyers for doing that. Of course they didn't have any legal basis for their claims that you were harming their intellectual property.
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Tomas wrote:
a-pex wrote:
I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...
I dont think i know about that story.
Can you share it with us?
There's a thread about it on Amigaworld (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19112&forum=27#297234).
And then there's McEwens answer to question #8 in his 20 questions (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46682) last year.. ooh, what a suprise that his answer is somewhat different from the truth !
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Of course they didn't have any legal basis for their claims that you were harming their intellectual property.
That was the point, they just want to blame me offering kickstart files, but that WAS NEVER THE CASE!
They thought they can gain some money (for the Kent Center?), but this was not the case. The evidence a video file? And now? Are videos from amigas not allowed anymore?
By the way, its still working fine... :-D
PS: In the post from Bolton Peck you can read what people like BillMcEwen are thinking about the amiga community. They want to be a company like ATARI (good old name for a new product), but there is still an annoying community with thousands of freaks... In every edge of the internet you can find bad storys, interviews, empty promises, pictures from the headquarter (a mailbox), videos and more about ainc. Do you really think a professional company with access to the internet will ever make big business with them? ;) Thats why they still have only some really bad and expensive games.
Do you really think this company can compare with companys like symbian (www.symbian.com - This is a professionell looking homepage!).
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@Tron2k2
Thanks for filling in some of the history behind AI for that time period. You wished them well, but at this point I think I'd wish your lawyer much more luck than them.
Your story sadly confirms feelings I've only supected about Amiga Inc until now.
[rant]
And to think of that pack of bone heads calling us crackpots. Do we have any crackpots here that have blown millions of dollars, wasted a portfolio full of copyrights and patents, upset thousands of users, dozens of developers and failed to pay any monies that they owed to Bolton???
I think we know where and who the crackpots are. And they need to hand over the OS to Hyperion or to open source and slowly back away.
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Plaz
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You know it really is sad how A Inc has been. I for one am sorry to say that i will never give them another penny of my money. It sad that they used the community for personal gain and have hurt a lot of people. I'm disgusted with Amiga Inc and hope that i never have to deal with them again. Heck i'd rather give my money to Microsoft and thats a sad day that i can say that and mean it. I still love my Amiga's and still buy stuff for it, but never from A-Inc again.
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Doobrey wrote:
Tomas wrote:
a-pex wrote:
I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...
I dont think i know about that story.
Can you share it with us?
There's a thread about it on Amigaworld (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19112&forum=27#297234).
And then there's McEwens answer to question #8 in his 20 questions (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46682) last year.. ooh, what a suprise that his answer is somewhat different from the truth !
...I would suggest that you get in contact with us, before our legal team gets in contact with you.
"Violating IP" because someone supposedly patched roms in an A1000... now that's choice use of a legal team, LOL...
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"Violating IP" because someone supposedly patched roms in an A1000... now that's choice use of a legal team, LOL...
:roflmao:
But this is the true face of AInc. (Apes Inc.) ;)
- pissing on customers
- ripping of investors
- moving never earnd money in strange ways
- blocking native amiga business
- making empty promises
- blaming users that still have fun with 20 years old hardware (in this case A1000)
If JAY MINER or another Ex Amiga Founder could see what this bad company is making with their inventions...
I really like the Amiga, I am Amiga User since 1987 and I have many of them and still use AmigaOS!!! But this company named AInc. is only one of these licence grabbing companys doing nothing as above mentioned!!!
The community has to do their own business, informing customers and investors from amiga inc., so that they will never get in business again... and may hyperion has the chance to take the name...
...and I see the chance that we can win, because we need no money to survive. ;)
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How exactly does patching a ROM violate Intellectual Property rights? I did the same thing with my A1200. I patched a 3.1 ROM image with the 3.9 ROM Updates then burned the ROM image to an EPROM. I own both the original 3.1 ROM chips and a full licensed copy of OS3.9. So I'm waiting for a phone call or a letter from their lawyers to tell me exactly which law I have broken. Come AInc I'm waiting!
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motorollin wrote:
How exactly does patching a ROM violate Intellectual Property rights? I did the same thing with my A1200. I patched a 3.1 ROM image with the 3.9 ROM Updates then burned the ROM image to an EPROM. I own both the original 3.1 ROM chips and a full licensed copy of OS3.9. So I'm waiting for a phone call or a letter from their lawyers to tell me exactly which law I have broken. Come AInc I'm waiting!
This will understand nobody! Make a picture or a video and you will get mail from the laywers or the police station next to you...
My fault was to delete the whole thread and never talk about it in the public. I am now waiting since over 9 month for a decision from the german public prosecutor, but this case seems not to be so intresting for them... ;)
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I have photos from after I booted my A1200 with its 3.9 ROM chip. The photo shows a genuine 3.9 Kickstart screen (there was no HDD connected or floppy in the drive). I will post the photos and see what happens.
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I think AInc. underestimates the community!!! If we really want, really, we would be able to show AInc. how strong the community still is...
We are thousands of users worldwide, if only 30% will write an email to the customers and investors from ainc (if there are really some) and if we start talking about the true face of this company, they will never be possible to make a deal in this world...
What you think about a small 1 page homepage, with links to all this nice interview, reports, videos, pictures, promises and so on from ainc?
Such a page would be really intersting for future investors and customers. All the informations we need can be found in the internet on amiga pages... :-D
I do not want to sit an my ass doing nothing anymore, we are the users, WE ARE AMIGA!
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a-pex wrote:
We are thousands of users worldwide, if only 30% will write an email to the customers and investors from ainc (if there are really some) and if we start talking about the true face of this company, they will never be possible to make a deal in this world...
This is just lame. If you want to do something for the amiga, start a petition to buy back the name & rights from AInc. I don't know their price, but judging from the look of their website and their desperate actions, it can't be that much. Buy back the name and give it someone who will make something useful with. Like Jens Schonfeld, or Dennis van Weeren, or Hyperion or Genesi even ... Maybe all.
for something similar, see amizilla (http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html)
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One more point... Do you know who was the winner of the motorbike from AInc.? Is it right that this was a CEO from an AInc. friendly company near washington? :-)
Again only faking...
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countzero wrote:
If you want to do something for the amiga
I think I have done quite enought for the classic amiga. ;-)
a petition to buy back the name & rights from AInc. I don't know their price
A petition will make no sense after all this years of promises and stagnation. And they will never sell the licences and rights... Please inform you, read all the crazy stuff you can found about AInc. bevor making such good suggestions. :-)
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Why ? The way I see it, the amiga name & community is just PITA for them they have to bother with, and waste the webspace & bandwidth from their 20$/month introductory website account. I think they can be persuaded to disassociate with the amiga community for the right amount of money.
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countzero wrote:
for something similar, see amizilla (http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html)
"Buy AmiZilla Merchandise and your proceeds go to increasing the Booty!"
"$10,373.02 Booty"
Increase the booty? Hell, that amount of money is usually payed to make the booty smaller :lol:
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If you want to do something for the amiga, start a petition to buy back the name & rights from AInc.
You are close with the DiscreetFX link.
Look here ... for the DiscreeFX buy out effort. (http://www.discreetfx.com/News.html)
I'm thinking AmiInc is making moves to pump up the apraisal value of their assets to attract investors or to improve a buy out price. Any one who does there home work on the history won't be fooled.
Plaz
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countzero wrote:
If you want to do something for the amiga, start a petition to buy back the name & rights from AInc.
Wouldn't that need a larger user base or big corporate sponsors?
If every current Amiga user paid $300 (which is about the figure I'm willing to pay), it still wouldn't amount to much.
Considering what AI is spending on that Kent Center, they probably won't sell the name for pocket change.
What would AI be without the Amiga name? :roll:
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I don't think that Kent center is a big deal. Isn't Bill McEven a local of the area ? Probably he got some contacts and maybe some 'cracknut' amiga fans helped him get the deal. I don't think he spent big bucks for it, it feels like they're trying to put a 'we're a big company' image.
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madsjm wrote:
What would AI be without the Amiga name? :roll:
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Seems like they are too busy getting themselves into the OUTSOURCING business.. People don't really know the name "Ruksun" in the Amiga community so they aren't aware that they are an outsourcing firm out of India providing rates and services that United States workers cannot compete with due to dollars paid per hour.. This is hardly an "aquisition".. They form an alliance with a US company or multiples (Like Lucent who's quoted in their literature) and offer IT services.
There has been a backlash from these operations with a lot of US IT managers due to quality of work provided and after work was completed updates could not be had because the workforce "disappeared". Also, working with someone on another continent has problems with communication of getting the work you want done, finished right.
Also even with a republican controlled congress in '04 a bill was introduced (unsuccessfully) to regulate outsourcing and trying to balance the playfield a bit.
This is a Quote from AmigaDevIndia Site:
"Working Together
Companies today need to be flexible enough to adapt to the flux in the markets. Successful business houses are adopting innovative and pliable strategies to improve operational efficiency, and achieving cost reductions through outsourcing.
Outsourcing offers you multiple benefits: quicker time to market, greater returns on investment; and consistent quality. However, the selection of a partner with whom to move forward is a critical and sometimes daunting task. Key considerations involve the selection of a partner that provides both technological prowess, as well as extensive experience of successfully completing small and large projects.
ADI has a proven track record in the outsourced application development sector. Our success lies in the ability to leverage long term client relationships through hands-on experience in quality and cost-effective project delivery."
While there is nothing wrong with this business practice legally. In my opinion it's very disheartening to see a U.S. company like Amiga have claims against it by their US based workers not seeing pay for things. While they tool up a staff in India who is centered around Windows and Windows Mobile development and not even doing any custom programming or operation for OS4 or AmigaOne or even classic machines. It could be at least mentioned even if they are having a problem getting the hardware that they plan on supporting OS4/AmigaOne solutions. Gee I wonder why they are not?
Hmm, brings to mind, solve problems with Eyetech/AmigaOne or.. put money into Kent Center and AmigaDevIndia..
Ideas of priorities are starting to form in my mind. What about yours?
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Doobrey wrote:
And then there's McEwens answer to question #8 in his 20 questions (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46682) last year.. ooh, what a suprise that his answer is somewhat different from the truth !
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4308/1_3212.jpg)
:lol:
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What is THIS for a picture on the screen? :lol: :-P
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@motorollin:
post away.. I want to see the pics.
a-pex:
you took down the thread and pics just because they told you to? I would have left it all up until I was told to LEGALLY by a JUDGE. Give me the stuff and I'll host it on my personal webserver. I guarantee you it will stay up. :)
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About Amiga Inc.
If I remember well they acquired IP of Amiga from Gateway...
But Gateway didn't sell it if I remember well!
Gateway just licensed the Amiga intellectual properties it to Amiga Inc.
(they even keep some patents of Commodore for their own purposes.)
So Amiga Inc, got the IP of Amiga within certain terms of use, including THEY HAVE ALL EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS ON IT.
Now I wonder if the contract between Gateway and Amiga Inc. has some expiration date...
And what about if there is a time limit? 20 years? 25 years?
Then any manufacturer could ask Gateway to acquire Amiga IP and technologies and bypass Amiga Inc...
If this scenario could beacame real, then anybody (even a community) could acquire Amiga technologies.
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countzero wrote:
I don't think that Kent center is a big deal. Isn't Bill McEven a local of the area ? Probably he got some contacts and maybe some 'cracknut' amiga fans helped him get the deal. I don't think he spent big bucks for it, it feels like they're trying to put a 'we're a big company' image.
If you read the news article, then you would know what they paid.. Basically Amiga INC offered to pay $300000 a year for the naming rights. So basically a million for 3 years then..
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I have just dug out a video of my A1200 booting from my custom 3.9 ROMs. You can download the video here (http://www.mashley.net/ks39.mp4). (4.5MB, MP4). If AInc want to contact me and tell me which law(s) I have broken, my email address is in my a.org profile.
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Tomas wrote:
If you read the news article, then you would know what they paid..
I read the news article, but at this point I take every information coming from AInc with a grain of salt.
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motorollin wrote:
I have just dug out a video of my A1200 booting from my custom 3.9 ROMs. You can download the video here (http://www.pinkdoggy.net/ks39.mp4). (4.5MB, MP4). If AInc want to contact me and tell me which law(s) I have broken, my email address is in my a.org profile.
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moto
Send them a mail.. :)
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@countzero
I read the news article, but at this point I take every information coming from AInc with a grain of salt.
Understood and agreed. But there shouldn't be too much doubt about the terms as revealed by Kent's city officials. (http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2007/04/16/daily35.html)
"Three days after announcing that software maker Amiga Inc. bought the naming rights to Kent's proposed multipurpose arena, city officials revealed the terms of the deal -- $10 million over 20 years.
The city will receive $2.5 million from Amiga upfront upon the start of construction, said Ben Wolters, Kent's economic development director."
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@Tomas
I hope they are reading anyway :-)
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a-pex:
you took down the thread and pics just because they told you to? I would have left it all up until I was told to LEGALLY by a JUDGE. Give me the stuff and I'll host it on my personal webserver. I guarantee you it will stay up. :)
Yes, and I never said something to the community. :(
I am sorry, but after receiving the letter from redsmith.com I was really in fear... They even send the criminal police to me, after they have seen that they have no chance on the legal court way, telling them I have disabled the copy protection from OS3.9 and spreading it!!!!!!!!! :madashell:
We have done only legal thing using fully bought and licenced things like kickstart 3.1 & os3.9!
Bill asked me to setup a professional business plan for selling kickstart 3.9. If it would be possible to sell 500 units, this would be fantastic! But I have to sold them for 10.000 dollar each unit to to fulfill the claims as AInc them want (500.000 dollar business). This was impossible and still is... :crazy:
I asked Bill this, after that I never received an email from him...
Think what you want, if someone want to host the video, please contact me...