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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: c64_d0c on April 17, 2007, 01:43:54 PM
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Kent, WA ? April 17, 2007 ? At a press conference held today at Kent Station, the City of Kent announced that Amiga, the world?s premier provider of multi-media enabling technologies, purchased the naming rights for the proposed Kent Events Center through a multi-million dollar sponsorship agreement. The center will be known as the "Amiga Center at Kent." Under this agreement, Amiga?s technology will be integrated to make this the most technologically-advanced events center of its size in the United States.
and....
Amiga produces and distributes technologies and applications for wired and wireless devices ? regardless of operating system or carrier ? including cell phones, digital TV, gaming devices, PDAs, smart phones, personal computers, home servers, etc. Amiga was at the forefront of the tech boom in America and today is the third most recognized brand in Europe. Amiga is developing groundbreaking new technologies that will raise its profile in the U.S. over the next few years.
read more here (http://www.amiga.com/news/?art=24).
lets see how this goes, we here at this forums who have followed this new amiga run by bill mceven. know how things have gone, what have been promised in the past and not fulfilled... lets hope city of kent will not have to deal with the same troubles we amigaen have had. if bill mceven is up to his usually trickery, hopefully the people of kent city have the tar and feather ready...
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c64_d0c wrote:
... people of kent city have the tar and feather ready...
:lol:
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... and today (Amiga) is the third most recognized brand in Europe...
I really want to know which part of Europe they surveyed to draw this conclusion. Most of the people I know have no clue about what Amiga is, they hardly even remember Commodore :-(
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The “Amiga Center at Kent” will bring tens of thousands of people to the city for events such as Amiga’s international developer conferences and for Amiga’s new product launches.
:roflmao:
Fleecy woke up and started writing short stories again?
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I bumbed into this today when I was checking out userclubs at amiga.com. Boy oh boy :-D
and they still use that the world’s premier provider of multi-media enabling technologies, which cracks me up every time :lol:
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funny how its not even listed as a news article on the "City of Kent" website. No mention of Amiga either. They're probably busy with website changes.
whats funny is that at one time Amiga fired Bill McEwen
http://www.cucug.org/amiga/aminews/1999/990901-cucug.html
but now he 0\/\/Nz them. lol
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Pretty impressive considering they don't even have a product for sale.
But of course, this is naming rights for the yet-to-be-built convention center. Now that Amiga Inc is involved, it will, of course, never be be built ;-)
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It'll be built Real Soon Now(TM).
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Amiga was at the forefront of the tech boom in America and today is the third most recognized brand in Europe.
:roflmao:
If someone would make an independent survey on that, I am quiet sure they won't even be among the top 250. :lol:
Amiga is a New York based company and its president, Bill McEwen is a local whose family has lived in Kent for more than 30 years.
So he must be good friends with the city major then to make such a deal without having any references or "technology" I suppose?
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Can someone please contact someo ne in kent and get an offical answer for this ?
Amiga Inc does it again :(
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I think there's a typo on that press release.. it says "17th April" when surely it should say "1st April"...?
Amiga was at the forefront of the tech boom in America and today is the third most recognized brand in Europe
That statement is an outright lie as far as I can see.... Amiga Inc didn't even exist in the technology boom of the 80's - the Amiga was a computer made by Commodore, not Amiga Inc. - and as a semi-European I can tell you it'd be lucky to be in the top 200 brands. I don't hold anything against Amiga Inc. as I can understand their situation, but this sort of nonsense isn't doing them any favours...
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I emailed a few folks.
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Poor Kent ;-)
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TheMagicM wrote:
funny how its not even listed as a news article on the "City of Kent" website. No mention of Amiga either. They're probably busy with website changes.
whats funny is that at one time Amiga fired Bill McEwen
http://www.cucug.org/amiga/aminews/1999/990901-cucug.html
but now he 0\/\/Nz them. lol
This (http://www.cucug.org/amiga/aminews/1998/981118-cucug.html) is hillarious!
Hello amiga people, my name is Elspeth Moss the wife of fleecy........... I just want you all to know the kind of man he is - honest, principled, always figthing for the underdog, obsessive - a pain in the backside. "
:lol:
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I just dont know what to say, how stupid are Amiga to spend that much on a PR stunt.
They could have bought a boat load of MP4 players OEM and sold them just like Commodore did... at least that would have been a product, but nooo lets sponsor Kent.
On the up side it does show they did have some money left.
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On the up side it does show they did have some money left.
I just don't want to know where that money comes from when OTOH they have been "unable" to pay there employees...
So I wonder what new investor is behind all this. Pentti Kouri? Who knows.
I am sure Kent's newspapers would be interested in some links and hints to know who the company with the naming rights to their new business center _really_ is. ;-)
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Bill was one of the few members of the recent Amiga staff who took a personal interest in the "classic" Amiga community. He regularly communicated with Amiga-oriented groups and individuals keeping the current fan base for Amiga computers up-to-date and helped them to understand the goings on at Gateway's Amiga division.
I find this more odd, as now he seems to care nothing about the community or even the new version of the classic AmigaOS.
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they should have used that money to get some hardware developed instead ... :madashell:
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The news item is now suddenly gone... :-o
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yup
all seems a bit naughty doesn't it
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I am sure Kent's newspapers would be interested in some links and hints to know who the company with the naming rights to their new business center _really_ is.
I already did..I'll see if they reply.
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did anyone do a screen capture?...
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not to worry. I have just droped off a proposition to rename "California" "Amiga Nation". I have also renamed my living room to "Amiga Stadium" and my "rest room" is now know as the "Advanced Amiga Research Lab" ( I just produced some new proto types this morning ) I expect all this will be official in about two weeks.
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c64_d0c wrote:
did anyone do a screen capture?...
LINK (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/463053378_4a27cf2879_b.jpg)
And here (text). (http://www.amigafuture.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14685)
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@guru-666
:roflmao: :laughing: :roflmao:
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This is downright hillarious. I have been to Kent Washington and have family that lives there. It's a small suburb in the Seattle area. It's so small that I'd hardly call it a "City"..
I will be sure to advise them to go to city council meetings more often and what they can expect.. So basically Amiga moved from Snoqalmi Falls to Kent? Amazing. When I went by the Snowqalmi offices they didn't even have a secretary and it was during regular business hours (that was a few years ago) and they were closed.
The best thing in Kent was their Denny's restaurant and that's not saying a lot. My apologies to folks who live there but it's really "small town USA".
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Is this some kind of joke or hoax??? :insane:
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So basically Amiga moved from Snoqalmi Falls to Kent? Amazing.
They gave up their office in Snoqualmie somehwere in 2004/2005.
I think it's only McEwen who resides there still.
When I went by the Snowqalmi offices they didn't even have a secretary and it was during regular business hours (that was a few years ago) and they were closed.
Their staff figures were always outright hilarious:
March 2000 (http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=4007656&date=20000302&query=Amiga):
"The company and its 70 employees will occupy 10,100 square feet in a building owned by The Inception Group. The building is in the Snoqualmie Ridge Business Park, being developed by Quadrant."
Two years later...
April 2002 (http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=btinterface29&date=20020429&query=Amiga):
"Employees: About 30."
"Goal for 2002? To deliver on our promise" :lol:
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No really, is this a joke or hoax? Was it ever really on Amiga Inc's website? I'm having a hard time with it, as it would be just about the most stupid, full of crap press release EVER in the history of press releases.
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yes it was really on their site..look at a previous post to a pic of the actual news item.
again, LOL @ AI.
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@humppa
thanks for bringing the screen grab and a text version of the article...
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@TheMagicM
whats funny is that at one time Amiga fired Bill McEwen
Gateway did all that when they decided not to Amiga anymore. Everyone got fired. Then, Bill did the Amino thing. It's old news with no relevance.
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weirdami wrote:
@TheMagicM
whats funny is that at one time Amiga fired Bill McEwen
Gateway did all that when they decided not to Amiga anymore. Everyone got fired. Then, Bill did the Amino thing. It's old news with no relevance.
True. The question why McEwen didn't already get fired during the last few years would be way more interesting to think about:
Amiga Inc does have investors. Investors (usually) invest for making profits. From the outside it appears that McEwen has done an incredibly bad job at that. None of the original goals were achieved and the few mobile games they are selling can hardly generate enough profits to run a business from, let alone make investors happy.
So why didn't they already fire either him or any other management staff?
Is the idea of Amiga Inc. functioning as a shell company for their investors really that abstruse?
edit: website finally got an overhaul (http://www.amiga.com/)
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redrumloa wrote:
No really, is this a joke or hoax? Was it ever really on Amiga Inc's website? I'm having a hard time with it, as it would be just about the most stupid, full of crap press release EVER in the history of press releases.
More than any other press release Ainc have made?
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Now they updated Amiga.com with a new cheesy webdesign to give the impression they are a multimillion worldwide company.. :lol:
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This is funny. I live very close to Kent, It is indeed a small town just 16 miles south of Seattle. It is technically a City but not a major one, since there is one just 16 miles north. LOL
I will have to go check out this Amiga Center! I will take pics and share them. :)
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How do you get the idea you want to create an "Amiga town"? :lol:
Thats a real genius who comes up with those ideas :lol: :-P :lol:
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redrumloa wrote:
No really, is this a joke or hoax? Was it ever really on Amiga Inc's website? I'm having a hard time with it, as it would be just about the most stupid, full of crap press release EVER in the history of press releases.
No its real, Amiga Inc, is going to give millions of dollars to name a conference center after themselves. The cool thing is half the people at Amigans.net are already planning to go visit the conference center for the opening ceremonies, and may eventually face that direction whenever they kneel on there boing ball rugs to pray to "The McEwen"
-Tig
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Makes sense to me... they're not going to rely on us to recoup their huge financial outlays. If they can pull this off, they will have a foot-hold in an emerging market. Just look at what EA and Endemol announced recently: "Virtual Me". Sure, it's a hackneyed rip-off of a million ideas that are already implemented in some way, but their partnership has the potential to make millions for them both.
I say, good luck. MAKE IT WORK. And after the 22nd of April, sign the bloody license for Sam440. Damnit.
jaminJay
"I thought the Amiga Dev India site was ugly. Now I KNOW it's ugly!"
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When is the unveiling of the center? I will have to go for sure!! I will bring a A600HD with me for the photo opp. :P
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HAHA i live on the other side of Washington State (4hrs away). I think i may need to stop by and see it on my way to Seattle in a few months. You know it would have been better if they were able to buy naming rights to the Space Needle and put a huge boing ball on the top of it :). So the only thing we get from AInc is a stadium named after them. Kinda funny. Well who knows maybe in another 10 yrs we may getsome hardware (yeah right). Well good luck to them anyhow
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Fictional short stories, of course! :python:
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Quote: Fleecy woke up and started writing short stories again?
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Fictional short stories, of course! :python:
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redrumloa wrote:
No really, is this a joke or hoax? Was it ever really on Amiga Inc's website?
Yeah, it's still up there as far as I can tell, maybe they took it down and put it back up?
The link to it is http://amiga.com/news/index.php?art=25 (http://amiga.com/news/index.php?art=25)
Or you can go to the News section on Amiga.com and it's the first link there.
This great!! Just like the good old days! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh, I hear Doomy is doing all the building contract work. Military Grade construction and all so this this thing should be able to withstand a nuclear attack! :-D
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If this is for real, it could be really good exposure.
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I dont understand why people dont see this as a positive news item.. (I dont want to offend anyone in saying so though).
Having a stadium named after your product/company is a pretty standard form of advertising. Dont you guys watch any sport?? even when my brother was playing under 16 inline hockey, their rink was named after a sponsor.
They exagerate in the "about Amiga" section of their press releases, but thats what you do in a PR.
Are you guys upset at Amiga advertising their name when they dont yet have any major products? I think I can see where you're coming from if thats the case. The stadium is a year away from completion if I read correctly, so that gives them time to get a product to market..
If we just ignore that this has anything to do with Amiga Inc, dont you think the following is quite cool??
The facility will have the capacity to bring technologic advancements that will alter the fan experience by dramatically enhancing the interaction between a visitor and the sport or event. For example the "Amiga Center at Kent" will have the technology in place allowing event-goers to watch instant replays on a handheld device and to order, pay for and have food delivered using only a cell phone. If this technology is implemented, Thunderbirds' fans will be able to enjoy a closer connection with the game and its players by accessing real-time statistical updates and engaging in digital interactions with players. In addition, Amiga technology could streamline ticket sales for all "Amiga Center at Kent" events.
Btw, the site looks fine to me too. I dont understand people that are overly critical of web sites.
P.S. I'm not trying to attack anyone, just trying to see where you're coming from.
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jahc wrote:
Are you guys upset at Amiga advertising their name when they dont yet have any major products? I think I can see where you're coming from if thats the case. The stadium is a year away from completion if I read correctly, so that gives them time to get a product to market..
"City of Kent Sells Multi-Million Dollar Naming Rights for Proposed
Events Center to Global Tech Company Amiga"
Can you SELL naming rights to something that is ONLY PROPOSED?
Jahc, I myself think and maybe may others that have posted, that this is just another misinformation campaign by Amiga Inc.
This is possibly one of a few things:
1. Either this is just totaly false...
2. Amiga conned these people and said "Hey, if you "Do" build this "Proposed" building we will pay "Millions" for the name which of course they won't as they don't even have money to pay a decent web designer a few hundred dollars.
3. They lied just about the "Multi-Million Dollar" part and "The Stadium" is actually the size of a 2 bedroom house.
@jahc
They lied about EVERYTHING else in the press release why would you believe any of this?
Do you believe Amiga Inc is the "world’s premier provider of multi-media enabling technologies"?
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@Jahc
Still all this seems very strange. With several million dollars they could have bought some advertisementspace at some Formula-1 car, which IMO, would have been a way better way to market your company.
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Well the press release has gone live on the Seattle Thunderbirds site (http://www.seattle-thunderbirds.com/news/news.php?id=396) now, so it's looking less like a late April fool's. Quite how A inc have the money (or think they'll have the money) to burn on this sort of thing is quite something else though, and I can think of several better uses for it.
Bizzare... utterly bizarre :crazy:
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alx wrote:
Well the press release has gone live on the Seattle Thunderbirds site (http://www.seattle-thunderbirds.com/news/news.php?id=396) now, so it's looking less like a late April fool's. Quite how A inc have the money (or think they'll have the money) to burn on this sort of thing is quite something else though, and I can think of several better uses for it.
Bizzare... utterly bizarre :crazy:
It´s quite obvious to me.The investors have Amiga inc only for Money laundering
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The problem with the new site (and the old site) is that they are not professional looking.
There are parts of the site that tells the story it is an amateur who constructed it.
Compare Genesi sites with Amigas site and you will see the difference between a professional company site and a homemade site.
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jahc wrote:
P.S. I'm not trying to attack anyone, just trying to see where you're coming from.
You don't sound like you are attacking anyone and you make some good points. I just happen to agree with Tigger, this deal may have cost millions. Why not use that money to develop a product? Pay off old debt to restore credibility in their tiny market? People have reasons to be cynical IMHO.
Amiga Inc have not had a real product for sale ever in their existence. Not the current group and not under Gateway2000 before them. You have to go back to pre Commodore bankruptcy to see a real product, well over a decade ago. Do they have a real product under development now? Not that anyone can see. The closest thing to a real product is OS4, and ownership of that appears to be stuck in legal quicksand with the appearance of Amiga inc being content to bury it.
The website? Meh, looks cheesy to my untrained eye but i probably wouldn't have said anything if you had not brought it up.
So are some overly critical? That depends on an individual point of view. Speaking for myself, I don't think so. I haven't seen a single move by AI that have made sense in many years. I was a long time blind blond cheerleader and now looking back I wonder my sanity in believing the tripe being fed to us. I think the time is probably now long past for the Amiga to make a comeback. Why am I here? Partially morbid curiosity, partially a small fading interest in retro Amiga computing and the fact I have made friends over the years here.
Maybe that makes me a grumpy old fart, but I really don't care
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I just happen to agree with Tigger, this deal may have cost millions.
Not according to these news (Seattle Times, April 17, 2007): (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003670187_webeventcenter17m.html)
"Kent city officials announced today that Amiga, a New York-based global technology company, would sponsor Kent's proposed $67 million events center, all but ensuring the project would move forward.
If the City Council approves it, the 6,025-seat Amiga Center at Kent would become the new home for the Seattle Thunderbirds junior hockey team and other "family friendly" entertainment, from holiday bazaars to monster truck shows.
City officials said Amiga would pay more than $300,000 a year for the naming rights, but the deal has not yet been finalized. Amiga said it would use the events center as a kind of testing ground for its technology, offering everything from cellphone-based orders of hot dogs to kiosks with its newest games.
In these last days of the legislative session, Kent is also hoping to get about $25 million in state funding for the project. The city would cover the rest of the cost.
The 150,000-square-foot events center would stand in the heart of downtown, within walking distance of Kent Station, one of the city's big attractions. A city-commissioned study said it would generate an estimated $50 million in state sales tax over the next 30 years.
The city has already spent about $3 million in exploratory studies and preliminary design for the events center, which could open as early as fall 2008. If the state funding comes through, council members are expected to approve the project in a May vote."
So it seems the deal hasn't even been finalized yet. The whole project still needs approval. But "more than $300,000 a year" isn't peanuts either. Especially for a company that doesn't seems to have any money for paying their employees.
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humppa wrote:
But "more than $300,000 a year" isn't peanuts either.
Actually it is.
Especially for a company that doesn't seems to have any money for paying their employees.
This I agree to.
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So Amiga Inc are going to pay $300,000 a year for:
1. Naming rights for the Stadium.
2. Testing their technology in the field for a particular market.
Technology that will allow people to buy hotdogs, look at stats and talk to players in the game(on the bench I suppose).
I imagine that they would hope to sell this technology to other stadiums and that this will give them a foothold in that market.
The money they make from each hotdog sale and other services, may go a long way to offsetting the $300 grand. We are not privvy to other side deals that would be going on.
300 Grand only allows you to pay maybe 6 or so high tech employees a year in the US, so they wouldn't gain much if they spent it on development at home. I imagine they'll be keeping Amiga India busy with the content.
Maybe it's not such a ludicrous idea afterall. It opens up possibilities for sales to other stadiums and they'll be charging for a service that could make them a profit some time soon.
Ok. Going back to my happy place now. (http://http:\\64.33.47.100\images\a1000anim.gif)
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hooligan wrote:
humppa wrote:
But "more than $300,000 a year" isn't peanuts either.
Actually it is.
For the "world’s premier provider of multi-media enabling technologies" and the "third most recognized brand in Europe" it _IS_ peanuts indeed. :-P
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humppa wrote:
I just happen to agree with Tigger, this deal may have cost millions.
So it seems the deal hasn't even been finalized yet. The whole project still needs approval. But "more than $300,000 a year" isn't peanuts either. Especially for a company that doesn't seems to have any money for paying their employees.
One of the original posts had it pegged at $6M investment, I dont know if that was a 20 year contract (at 300K) or some original investment plus the 300K a year. The stadium hasnt been approved yet, in fact the reason the press release yo-yoed yesterday is that it was found before the 1:30 PST press conference where it was announced. Almost immediately after that the new site came up with the press release. However in the next week or so the state legislature should decide about the money and if they fund there portion, Amiga Center in Kent is probably going to be a reality. And Kent will make lots of money when the pilgrims flock in on the Amiga Holy days, (McEwens birthday, Mitchie's birthday, Jay's Birthday, Amigas birthday, Sheep Day, etc).
-Tig
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300 Grand only allows you to pay maybe 6 or so high tech employees a year in the US, so they wouldn't gain much if they spent it on development at home. I imagine they'll be keeping Amiga India busy with the content.
The original Amiga prototype Lorraine was only developed by five or six people.
OS3.5 & 3.9 was probably not developed by more than this many full-time programmers (I'm not including volunteer beta-testers).
Commodore always had small R&D teams in the 1980s and they got a lot done.
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redfox wrote:
If this is for real, it could be really good exposure.
Exposure for WHAT? So what if the visiting ublic sees the AMIGA name in ten foot high letters on the Stadium? There are NO products an actual stadium-going consumer can buy. What's the point of getting exposure if you have NOTHING to sell?
And for the record, I too think the new web-site is "passable" but a bit amateurish looking. It seems to me this site was just quickly popped up because the (one) folk at Amiga Inc. knew these press released would mean that someone is going to actually be checking out the company's homepage.
And isn't it a little bizarre that Amiga Anywhere (TM) products are now supposedly available for sale on a minor league hockey team's website? (http://www.amiga.com/sales/).
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I dont believe it until I read that its a done deal, "we're breaking the ground now" and there are pics of it w/AI's name on it. Then I still wouldnt care.. I just hope the end of AI is near.
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TheMagicM wrote:
I just hope the end of AI is near.
Full ack. Hopefully they'll finally choke on this "multi-million dollar" thing.
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I dont think they have the money for this. If they do they're definitely not going to use it for the Amiga community. They're just milking the name like the people who own the Commodore brand.
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AmigaHeretic wrote:
Can you SELL naming rights to something that is ONLY PROPOSED?
Yes.
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TheMagicM wrote:
I dont think they have the money for this. If they do they're definitely not going to use it for the Amiga community. They're just milking the name like the people who own the Commodore brand.
How are they milking the name? This is a venture that is COSTING Amiga, Inc. and probably not going to make them any money.
It just makes no sense at all for a company with almost no products, no staff and no money to pay $300,000 a year for what essentially is a huge billboard advertising campaign in a smallish city in Washington State.
At least the Commodore trademark owners have actual products that people can buy.
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duh-h.... it's a proposed building.... even if it get's built this will never happen. Nothing A-inc tells anybody ever happens. LOL.
It is however fact the my rest room is now the "Advanced Amiga Reaserach Facility" and today again I produced some more proto types.... I would say I om schedule and rocking!
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redfox wrote:
If this is for real, it could be really good exposure.
I call this a "forward looking statement". If Amiga Inc. does this right, this could be good exposure for a recognized brand name and for their company and products. If they succeed, maybe the OS4 users and classic users will benefit as well. I would like to see what comes after OS4. Maybe it will be better than most of us can imagine right now.
I am trying to take the high road here. I'm well aware of the opinions about Amiga Inc., because I also share some of those opinions as well. After all, I bought into the coupon scheme. Amiga Inc's image has been tainted by the coupon scheme, the t-shirt fiasco, the Gary Hare business card scandal, the presto-chango name change shell game, the Bolton Peck story, etc, etc.
But ... I did receive my t-shirt, I bought a MicroA1 and I use OS4 every day.
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Actually, I'll be happy if ACube gets a license, so they can sell SAM440 + OS4 bundle.
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hey redfox.
wanna buy a bridge. It's in brooklyn, NYC, it's a historic monument. All I ask is $500. I will have the paper work ready once you send me the money LOL!
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@guru-666
:lol: Good one!
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It just makes no sense at all for a company with almost no products, no staff and no money to pay $300,000 a year for what essentially is a huge billboard advertising campaign in a smallish city in Washington State.
I would hardly call the Seattle Metropolitan area a smallish city!!!
I think this is a great idea!-- Assuming they get off their butts and develop something! ;)
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Amiga produces and distributes technologies and applications for wired and wireless devices – regardless of operating system or carrier – including cell phones, digital TV, gaming devices, PDAs, smart phones, personal computers, home servers, etc.
The Amiga does all that ?! Fantastic! That's new to me. I glad it's really true (LOL-mode on)
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Obviously, Amiga Inc.'s biggest issue is the community of Amiga hobbyist and devouts (and former employees, obviously). Just look at all the flames going on here, and Amiga.org is VERY high on Google's response for searches on the name Amiga. Any potential customer worth their salt IS going to google the name, find this site, see a large bunch of disgruntled customers who act like and often are employees related directly to the name.
This is what's keeping Amiga Inc. down.
This is the issue Amiga Inc. must solve forthwith.
And, it's not like it's that hard:
* Pay the old staff, even if you're not 'legally' obliged;
* Sign the rights for SOMEONE to have AOS4 on their hardware platform; and
* GIVE development tools as prizes to people in the Amiga community (all are easy to identify).
Back on track, Sam440 would be perfect for running display boards and ticketing kiosks and what-not, and with AOS4 and Hollywood might actually achieve some real exposure. Remember, they are supposed to be providing new tech. and they are a software company, so they need a hardware partner. I hope one of these partners is ACube.
Finally, 'Ruksun' make software which may be very useful in providing the discussed mobile connectivity, so maybe this planning has actually been done properly? Y'know, thought about AND put to paper and threshed out.
jaminJay
"Here's hoping..."
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benJamin wrote:
Obviously, Amiga Inc.'s biggest issue is the community of Amiga hobbyist and devouts (and former employees, obviously). Just look at all the flames going on here, and Amiga.org is VERY high on Google's response for searches on the name Amiga. Any potential customer worth their salt IS going to google the name, find this site, see a large bunch of disgruntled customers who act like and often are employees related directly to the name.
This is what's keeping Amiga Inc. down.
Google search: +amiga +inc +fraud (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2Bamiga+%2Binc+%2Bfraud&btnG=Search)
Results 1 - 10 of about 51,100 for +amiga +inc +fraud. (0.09 seconds)
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I'm just amazed by all this. First of all, Amiga Inc is a known quantity so who ever deals with them, gets what they deserve. Second, why? AI planning on a massive sheep shagging contest or something? Oh well, it is a load of laughs though, guess that is something positive AI has done for us, for a change.
Dammy
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I emailed a few folks whom I wont name w/the City of Kent and some folks w/corporate @ the Seattle Thunderbirds, that were surprised to hear the bad side of AI. "They seemed like nice people in our meetings". So I sent 'em some reading material and wished them the best of luck.
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THIS IS THE FUNNIEST THREAD EVA!!!!
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TheMagicM wrote:
I emailed a few folks whom I wont name w/the City of Kent and some folks w/corporate @ the Seattle Thunderbirds, that were surprised to hear the bad side of AI. "They seemed like nice people in our meetings". So I sent 'em some reading material and wished them the best of luck.
I really don't see how going out of our way to tell people how horrible Amiga Inc is helps us get OS4 on new, licensed hardware. I'm not saying I approve of anything Amiga Inc. has done but it seams that if there is ANY hope of things changing for the better, this "community" will be sure to squash it. :whack: :roll:
What hope is there left?
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mpiva wrote:
What hope is there left?
To buy out Amiga Inc :rtfm: :crazy:
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@Redrumloa
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benJamin wrote:
Obviously, Amiga Inc.'s biggest issue is the community of Amiga hobbyist and devouts (and former employees, obviously). Just look at all the flames going on here, and Amiga.org is VERY high on Google's response for searches on the name Amiga. Any potential customer worth their salt IS going to google the name, find this site, see a large bunch of disgruntled customers who act like and often are employees related directly to the name.
This is what's keeping Amiga Inc. down.
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Google search: +amiga +inc +fraud
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Results 1 - 10 of about 51,100 for +amiga +inc +fraud. (0.09 seconds)
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Results 1 - 50 of about 1,250,000 for +ibm +inc +fraud. (0.20 seconds)
Results 1 - 50 of about 1,140,000 for +gateway +inc +fraud. (0.09 seconds)
Offhand by comparison I don't think we look too bad.
:-D
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I really don't see how going out of our way to tell people how horrible Amiga Inc is helps us get OS4 on new, licensed hardware. I'm not saying I approve of anything Amiga Inc. has done but it seams that if there is ANY hope of things changing for the better, this "community" will be sure to squash it.
AI will squash their own "dreams" and the last thing you'll see is licensed hardware.
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TJLAZER wrote:
I would hardly call the Seattle Metropolitan area a smallish city!!!
I'm just going by the descriptions of the several Amiga.org posters who've actually been to Kent, Washington. They stated it was a smallish city.
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The plan is awaiting final approval before the session ends this weekend.
LINK (http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=kentevents18m0&date=20070418&query=amiga)
I hope that the city council, or at least the local newspapers will have a clearer picture about Amiga Inc. by then.
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TheMagicM wrote:
AI will squash their own "dreams" and the last thing you'll see is licensed hardware.
If you believe that is true, why do you feel such a strong need to "help" them do that?
Bug_racer wrote:
To buy out Amiga Inc
Ha! Like that's going to happen. Okay, who's going to start a bounty for buying out Amiga Inc?
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If you believe that is true, why do you feel such a strong need to "help" them do that?
Oh, I'm just helping the poor folks @ Kent out..showing them how to use google, reading threads on AO.. Just being your regular netizen. A little bit of information never hurt anyone. Besides, money talks right? So AI should be a-ok with the millions..and MILLIONS they have stockpiled. :lol:
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mpiva wrote:
I really don't see how going out of our way to tell people how horrible Amiga Inc is helps us get OS4 on new, licensed hardware. I'm not saying I approve of anything Amiga Inc. has done but it seams that if there is ANY hope of things changing for the better, this "community" will be sure to squash it. :whack: :roll:
What hope is there left?
If there is any hope for the Amiga platform (the thing we actually care about) the chances that it's with Amiga Inc (a company that happens to own the name) are pretty slim, let's be fair.
The press release is disgusting. As though it's not sickening enough that they claim Commodore's success with the Amiga as their own, third party solutions (such as the Video Toaster one assumes they're alluding to when they talk of the Amiga as a studio mainstay) are plucked for their portfolio too. They had f**k-all to do with any of these products.
And then the "premier provider of multimedia enabling technologies." Really? Not Apple, Microsoft, Adobe/Macromedia?
Amiga Inc is a joke. A bad, bad joke.
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Heh...
It seems the Amiga scene is the only place you can go away for several years and then look in on it with absolute confidence that nothing will have changed in any way.
Still no products, more "deals" and "announcements" of no relevance whatsoever to the community, complete confusion over who owns what, and people still worrying that "bad publicity" might "hurt the chances of OS4". :) :)
As for McEwen, I don't know much about his activities while at Gateway - though he wasn't part of the decision making process there and they didn't exactly consider him vital to their operations - but his record since getting control of things Amiga via Amino (later Amiga Inc) is one of 100% utter failure. "third most recognized brand in Europe" is one heck of a misleading statement. Sure, people recognise the brand - they recognise it as a dead brand, just like Commodore 64, Sinclair Spectrum or Compaq. None of these are associated with contemporary products or technologies, wven if they are nominally still alive.
Is anyone aware of coming into contact with of this supposed wireless multimedia technology in their day-to-day life?
After so many years, just what is it people still expect might happen?
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After so many years, just what is it people still expect might happen?
Why, Digital [d]Convergence![/d], er.. sorry Digital Living! Ofcourse!
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As for McEwen, I don't know much about his activities while at Gateway - though he wasn't part of the decision making process there and they didn't exactly consider him vital to their operations - but his record since getting control of things Amiga via Amino (later Amiga Inc) is one of 100% utter failure.
The question is why didn't Amiga Inc's investors (Prokom, Pentti Kouri/Invisible Hand, etc.) already replace him with someone who might at least create a tiny chance of making profits? If the investors would really invest in Amiga Inc. for making profits, they would have already fired him a long time ago and installed somebody else. But they didn't.
There must be reasons why they still keep him as a marionette.
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humppa wrote:
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True. The question why McEwen didn't already get fired during the last few years would be way more interesting to think about:
Amiga Inc does have investors. Investors (usually) invest for making profits. From the outside it appears that McEwen has done an incredibly bad job at that. None of the original goals were achieved and the few mobile games they are selling can hardly generate enough profits to run a business from, let alone make investors happy.
So why didn't they already fire either him or any other management staff?
Is the idea of Amiga Inc. functioning as a shell company for their investors really that abstruse?
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Well, a friend of mine and ex-amigan already in 2001 suspected that the new owners see the Amiga just as a kind of tax amortisation model and would never ever produce anything or make any profit.
Perhaps it is even secretly used by Mafia-related individuals to launder money from illigal businesses - who knows...
I'm afraid I have to admit it looks like he was right up to now...
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Perhaps it is even secretly used by Mafia-related individuals to launder money from illigal businesses - who knows...
Don't know, at least Pentti Kouri is chairman of the board which might explain some things...
Wikipedia Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentti_Kouri)
Today, he is remembered for his participation to controversial "Kouri-deals" in late 1980s. In "Kouri-deals", a group of investors including Dr. Kouri collaborated to buy a majority of two largest banks of Finland, mostly with borrowed money, causing a political outcry.
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jahc wrote:
I dont understand why people dont see this as a positive news item..
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If we just ignore that this has anything to do with Amiga Inc, dont you think the following is quite cool??
The facility will have the capacity to bring technologic advancements that will alter the fan experience by dramatically enhancing the interaction between a visitor and the sport or event. For example the "Amiga Center at Kent" will have the technology in place allowing event-goers to watch instant replays on a handheld device and to order, pay for and have food delivered using only a cell phone. If this technology is implemented, Thunderbirds' fans will be able to enjoy a closer connection with the game and its players by accessing real-time statistical updates and engaging in digital interactions with players. In addition, Amiga technology could streamline ticket sales for all "Amiga Center at Kent" events.
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No.
I'm not an Thunderbirds fan - and before this news item I thought Kent was a county in England.
So why should this be cool for me?
Cool would have been if they had payed Bolton Peck instead and finally had sent out the vouchers after five (or were it already six?) years of waiting...
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bhoggett,
Is anyone aware of coming into contact with of this supposed wireless multimedia technology in their day-to-day life?
After so many years, just what is it people still expect might happen?
Well, those few who still believe in Ainc. expect that they will produce some sort of products that enable people to do stuff that everyone has been doing for the past several years with products from other companies. The main difference being, the Ainc. versions will be at least a generation behind.
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I really don't see how going out of our way to tell people how horrible Amiga Inc is helps us get OS4 on new, licensed hardware.
If bashing the biggest reason why OS4 didn't and won't become what it could have become doesn't actually help, at least it's a lot of fun and well deserved ;-)
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If bashing the biggest reason why OS4 didn't and won't become what it could have become doesn't actually help, at least it's a lot of fun and well deserved
amen brother! :lol:
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Amiga's Technology Incubator (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003677013_btdownload23.html)
Sharing profits with the little guy after giving away development tools?
Now, why has that idea taken so long to get off the ground?
jaminJay
"Is it April Fool's Month, now?!"
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Funding Finalised (http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3460126) (posted 2 hours ago).
Well, looks like the PFD and the AC are go. Who'd've thunk it?
jaminJay
" :-D "
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humppa wrote:
The question is why didn't Amiga Inc's investors (Prokom, Pentti Kouri/Invisible Hand, etc.) already replace him with someone who might at least create a tiny chance of making profits? If the investors would really invest in Amiga Inc. for making profits, they would have already fired him a long time ago and installed somebody else. But they didn't.
There must be reasons why they still keep him as a marionette.
Maybe they don't want to make profits with this vehicle, as it is not the only financial vehicle Mr. Kouri is involved in. But now you have Kent city officials involved in a deal, by extension Washington State reps and state senators. There are certainly questions I would ask if I were them before finalizing the complex. I think the bigger question is not why they want to keep their current "marionette" as you say but why this company warranted the investment from Prokom and how it intends to have the money for the city of Kent, yet still have very little in the way of tangible products. But again, maybe not making money is the design in the bigger picture with this one asset (Amiga Inc.)
My hope is if they are on the up and up and have wealthy benefactors who are just Amiga-heads themselves that they can power through this lawsuit quick and get product out. Or if things are not on the up and up with them that this Kent thing exposes that and then maybe that helps to release the chokehold that seems to exist on there being a consumer Amiga product for us.
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Believe it or not, while I think this is a GROSS mismangement of developer funds, it may be a blessing, in disguise.
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duuuh. they want to show the judge that the are not just a shell that has been dormant for 8 years! LOL Come on McEwen is not that hard to figure out..... Beside amiga inc may have only put in a tinly amout of cash.. the big money is from the state..... and that is where this scam MIGHT become criminal.
@m
what you think it will help you prove that bill M is incompitent...I don't think that will be hard.