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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: redrumloa on April 05, 2007, 04:23:47 PM
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Moob (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/141138)
The waters just got muddier? Break out the popcorn! :popcorn:
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Thanks, good read.. Sad for those involved heh :)
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Ugh, I'm tried of trying to follow it all any more. The list of players is sounding more like inbreed cousins to me. I think who ever holds Amiga IP is treating it like an investment in classic car. Buy it, polish it, tuck in under a cover in a darken garage, then hold it till you can sell it at auction for more that you paid for it. There's no interest in restoring or driving it.
Long live AROS and Hyperion. And each day I look more forward to the long shot "Oil Change Buyout". :-)
Plaz
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I really can't be arsed to read the bunny. Anyone care to summarise?
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odin wrote:
I really can't be arsed to read the bunny. Anyone care to summarise?
I read it but couldn't make much sense of it. Basically I would sum it up as amidrama related to Amiga DE.
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Summary:
Amino is claiming to own Aminet.
:boohoo: :cry: :bigcry:
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odin wrote:
I really can't be arsed to read the bunny. Anyone care to summarise?
How about this?
Wait a minute... you mentioned Amino and Tao, and your IP address is from Espial's corporate network, and on your web site it mentions Amino, but it is a different Amino than the one we thought we all knew:
http://www.espial.com/index.php?action=customers,partners
Not only do you mention Tao and Amino (and all of a sudden there is one Amino more than we thought we had ourselves, leaving more questions than answers), but Espial also triggers something, doesn't it?
http://www.google.com/search?q=espial+kouri
http://www.google.com/search?q=kouri+amiga
Amiga and Espial had and probably still have some common investors and board members... and you ask these questions on Moo Bunny about your own "sister company"?
Are you researching on behalf of some investor or board member?
Could the above be the missing (public) link explaining why in 1999 Amino was named Amino in the first place, before being renamed Amiga? Oh dear, two Amino companies, two Amiga companies... what next?
On http://www.aminocom.com/about/overview.html it says that Amino brands include... "Aminet" (very familiar to Amigans) and "Intact" (sounds like Tao's "Intent", only one wovel replaced with another vowel, and one consonant with another consonant!). All coincidences? Hmmmm...
If you are who I think you are, here is some homework for you. If you are interested in Amiga I'd propose to read them all, and watch them all, because sometimes the gems are hidden in the middle or at the end. Then go to your friends, and tell them something they don't already know about the new friends you all made with Amiga...
and:
"Amino Communications Limited, Registered in England & Wales No. 3490180
Registered office: Buckingway Business Park, Anderson Road, Cambridge CB24 4UQ, UK"
Aren't Tao Group based in Cambridge too?
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Wouldn't some university in Washington be more likely to own the name "Aminet"? I remember doing something like aminet.wustl.edu to get to it way back.
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Hm, okay. 'Meh' is the only utterance which comes to mind.
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ChaosLord wrote:
Summary:
Amino is claiming to own Aminet.
:boohoo: :cry: :bigcry:
AmiNET(TM)???? You can't trademark something that others have already been using for a while.
Hans
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Moobunny is fun, reminds me of the old ann.lu, the same flamers/trolls/amiga inc fans arguing every day :)
This is a good resume of what happend the last 10years;
"Amino (the Washington company) is dead (just look up the secretary of state records in Washington state). It was renamed "Amiga, Inc.", but later it sold all assets to ITEC, who then sold to KMOS, which then was renamed to "Amiga, Inc." again, but this is a Delaware company that is not the same as the Amino company in Washington state. I understand from others who have asked that the Delaware company does not have a license for Tao.
> Is there a summary somewhere of why Amiga was interested in working with
> them?
You mean with Tao? That was in... 1999? Back then, AmigaOS was 10+ years old, and it was clear that it could not compete with Linux and other operating systems. So something new had to come in. Amiga tried with Be (but failed before the agreement was signed), with QNX (but failed after agreement was signed) and others, so at the end they entered into an agreement with Tao. Maybe they were Fleecy's friends? (Just guessing, as they were both in the UK.) I also believe Tao became an investor in Amino itself as part of the deal?
The goal probably was to have an alternative to the aging AmigaOS foundation that could be branded "Amiga" and hopefully work in some way. But it didn't work out. Tao was selling in the same markets as Amiga, and nobody wanted the Amiga branded product.
Furthermore this created a lot of confusion: "AmigaDE" has nothing to do with Amiga or AmigaOS. It is Tao's product, just rebranded, and with some minor extras which may have been of interest 10 years ago, but not now, where they just constitute unnecessary and obsolete legacy code that is not supported by Tao itself.
At the core, I think Amiga was run by technically incompetent (reading computer magazines and trying to glue together AmigaOS+Tao+Java is not the same as being a software architect :-) people who tried to exploit investors for their own personal profits (ranch, Maserati, etc.) and fiefdoms (Bill, Vince, the Ruksun gang and their other friends from the previous company they all worked at, ConnectSoft), and AmigaDE was something that could be used for this purpose. Sorry if I seem harsh, but I have no respect for people who give interviews listing all the nice toys they bought with the millions paid by investors, yet who don't pay their employees and contract workers. These employees and external programmers who worked full time for Amiga and to support Amiga's failed scheme to sell vapor, are still waiting for moneys due, and probably gave up hope, while the same employers/partners (Bill, Vince, Fleecy, etc.) conveniently jumped ship to the Delaware company and received more millions by Tapul (one million in relation to AmigaOS 4, not owned by Amiga but by Hyperion!), Prokom (two millions in relation to AmigaDE, not owned by Amiga but by Tao!), Pentti Kouri, etc.
So maybe the ultimate answer is... they were interested in the money? Facts would not seem to speak otherwise.
If you work for Espial as your IP seems to suggest, I would avoid them at all costs. IMHO there is nothing of any value for you left in Amiga, just problems."
And that someone still defends these scumbags, I dont understand.
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So that makes Bill M. a salesman to lure money from Venture Capitalists. He dangles us a carrot once in a while to show investors that there is market potential out there...
I say AROS or death.
Hyperion can package and sell "upgrade" services to AROS to the point where it is OS4, just called AROS.
WIN - WIN