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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Boot_WB on April 02, 2007, 12:24:03 AM
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I'm looking for someone with a non-functional Amigaone to transfer their OS4 license to me, as I have recently bought an amigaone SE without a license.
If you have a spare license lying unused, or you know someone with a broken Amigaone please get in touch.
Contact: By Pmail
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Have you mailed Hyperion yet? There was a similar thread on amigaworld and it was said that one should just mail hyperion with info about serial number, name of seller/previous owned if known and so on. I am sure they can work something out?
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Hi Tomas, that was me in the AW.net thread.
As it transpire I am not able to identify the previous owner - I bought it from JJB at Amiga repair Centre in france, and he said it is aform a batch of boards, and he is not able to identify the owner.
Hyperion suggested that, as it may be from before the days of OS4-bundled-with-Amigaone I need to either find someone with a spare license, or buy the CD standalone.
The only people I can find claiming to stock the standalone CD is Vesalia - at 139 Euro for the developer pre-release.
With the Acube situation developing I'm tempted to "wait and see" with them. If I have to pay that much - more than I've ever paid before for an OS - I want to know:
1) That if my Amigaone breaks I would be able to transfer the license to my CSPPC/BPPC amiga.
2) That what I'm buying is the finished product, not the developer's pre-release CD with the right to login to the download area and download the "final update" version.
For the sake of completeness, the info Hyperion require to transfer an OS4 license is:
1) The serial number of the OS4 CD
2) The Hyperion-entertainment website user name of the previous registered owner.
3) An e-mail from the previous owner authorising the transfer.
Regards
Rich
[EDIT - corrected mistake - requirement 2 is for the Hyperion website username, not the AW.net username as originally stated.]
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Duplicate post
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so basically you are pretty much screwed.... :-( :-( :-(
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So much for customer support
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For the sake of completeness, the info Hyperion require to transfer an OS4 license is:
1) The serial number of the OS4 CD
2) The Amigaworld.net user name of the previous registered owner.
3) An e-mail from the previous owner authorising the transfer.
WTF? How can they possibly assume that all A1-owners were registered on Amigaworld.net?
Btw, they didn't by any chance also ask you to sacrify a leg for getting a copy of OS4?
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I didnt know the Amiga One was ever sold without an OS4 licence, the first ones came with just Linux but I thought as soon as the OS4 pre-release 1 came out all A1 owners got it?
Anyhow sucks to be you :-) :-(
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Im surprised nobody have helped you, if I had the files I would helped
out a fellow amiga user.
And are Hyperion so afraid of somebody sharing it ? If they dont help
out legal users, people will surely get it somewhere else.
How much did you pay for a (for now) useless board ?
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humppa wrote:
WTF? How can they possibly assume that all A1-owners were registered on Amigaworld.net?
WTF is correct, but remember AWN was the "Official AmigaOne support site". My feelings on that subject is well know, I won't get into it again;-)
My WTF feeling has to do with the fact it was claimed the A1 firmware was different than a standard Teron board and had dongle code. OS4 supposedly on runs on genuine A1 boards and not Terons. I wonder if there is a fair use law governing this, I'd look into it if I were him. I wonder if he'd be legally entitled to use a copy of OS4 if it is a genuine A1.
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And the sad thing is it'll probably be nigh impossible to find it via 'traditional internet search methods'.
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odin wrote:
And the sad thing is it'll probably be nigh impossible to find it via 'traditional internet search methods'.
Correct, I could not find anything Amiga related on PriceWatch.
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Hmm... I thought all AmigaONEs automatically included a license even back when pre release was not bundled?
I recall those who did not get OS4 with their AmigaONE got it shipped/or downloaded it when it was released
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I very much hope a nice CDR turns up in the post for you. It's this type of attitude which makes people say "you know what, i'll spend a month porting it to .... and release the ISO as a torrent file". Doesn't really make me what to give them my cash (when eventually I can).
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dandelion wrote:
It's this type of attitude which makes people say "you know what, i'll spend a month porting it to .... and release the ISO as a torrent file".
Here's hoping.....
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moto
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@Stevo
So much for customer support
Might I ask what this is supposed to mean? The person is a customer to an Amiga dealer that bought the board from somewhere else, possibly from Eyetech, but certainly NOT from Hyperion.
@humppa
WTF? How can they possibly assume that all A1-owners were registered on Amigaworld.net?
*sighs* We don't. 'Username' refers to the registered username on www.hyperion-entertainment.biz, not AW.net. That doesn't make sense. It seems that the posting I did wasn't clear on that, but I thought it would be more or less clear.
@krize
And are Hyperion so afraid of somebody sharing it ? If they dont help
out legal users, people will surely get it somewhere else.
Sorry to burst bubbles, but "sharing" in this case means pirating, because whatever you might think, Hyperion hasn't seen any money for this one. "legal" user is someone that bought a license from Hyperion. If you buy a second-hand Mac without an OS, I am quite sure Apple will ask you to pay it again if you want it, instead of "sharing" it.
@redrumloa
WTF is correct, but remember AWN was the "Official AmigaOne support site". My feelings on that subject is well know, I won't get into it again
Your feelings in this matter are irrelevant, as is AmigaWorld.net. You (and a few others) are just jumping to conclusions, and as usual, take every opportunity to get the "other side" a bit dirty. I could tell you what I think about "strategies" like that, but my feelings on that subject is well known, I won't get into it again.
I can only say I am more than happy to not visit any amiga-related site anymore. This thread popped up on our beta list, so I felt compelled to read it and already wish I hadn't.
My WTF feeling has to do with the fact it was claimed the A1 firmware was different than a standard Teron board and had dongle code. OS4 supposedly on runs on genuine A1 boards and not Terons. I wonder if there is a fair use law governing this,
I am starting to get the WTF feeling myself. AmigaOne's with an OS 4 license come with a firmware that enables you to boot OS 4. I don't understand where you see any contradiction to a fair use clause, because plainly, the person in question isn't even a customer of Hyperion, he bought the board second hand, without, as he says himself, a valid license. So what exactly is wrong here? If the board does not come with an OS, that's tough luck, but I do not see where Hyperion even ENTERS this picture - it's a second hand owner (or rather third hand) of a repaired board.
@dandelion
I very much hope a nice CDR turns up in the post for you. It's this type of attitude which makes people say "you know what, i'll spend a month porting it to .... and release the ISO as a torrent file". Doesn't really make me what to give them my cash (when eventually I can).
I am shocked and amazed at the myriads of ways people come up with excuses for piracy. Hyperion has replaced more than one serial number in the past, but plainly, like I already pointed out, this is not the case here, the board came WITHOUT a license. What is so difficult to understand about it?
The fun part is that the whole affair is already about to be cleared up, but of course, that doesn't stop people from making a big fuss about it.
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Here's hoping.....
Hoping for what? A pirated ISO?
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Edited by Argo: Personal Attack
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@ Stevo
Cheap shot. If you find anything illogical (!) please point it out. Hyperion bashing is too easy; yep I read aw.net too...
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Simple: A1 comes with OS4. That's the only thing you'd want to use an A1 for. Second hand A1 comes without OS4. What's the prob of supplying OS4? Piracy? Hahahaha, etc.
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I wasn't quite expecting this "wanted" ad to turn into a discussion, but such is life I suppose.
I must say, both HJF and TimDG at Hyperion have been extrememly helpful in supplying information regarding the licensing issue, and I have no axe to grind with them. In fact, everyone I've spoken to about it (here, AW.net, ARC, Hyperion) has been helpful, informative and supportive.
If I have to I'll pay full price, at the moment I'm just exploring the logical alternative: looking for someone with a spare license.
If I end up paying full whack for it, I would want to know that I was buying a full retail version, not an OEM version, and thus if my A1 broke I could then use the license on my CSPPC, but should it come to it this is something I'll discuss with Acube/vesalia/hyperion/whoever. I'm not there yet, and was just musing.
It was my misreading of previous communication which suggested that the AW.net username was required - in retrospect it makes sense that it is the Hyperion username.
Constructive comments are always welcome, but if anyone has an issue with Hyperion and/or AW.net please take it up with them. This is - was - just a simple "wanted" ad.
Regards
Rich
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Your feelings in this matter are irrelevant, as is AmigaWorld.net. You (and a few others) are just jumping to conclusions, and as usual, take every opportunity to get the "other side" a bit dirty. I could tell you what I think about "strategies" like that, but my feelings on that subject is well known, I won't get into it again.
Yaaa!! I am being accused of having a blue motive again!! That's always good for a few chuckles :laugh: What's so funny is if you check your registration log you will see I have been a customer, several times over, over the years. I bought a couple CSPPC board because "OS4 will be released for the classic first" but gave up in late 04.
You are looking for conspiracy when there is none, as always. If you put out a product, on a reasonably priced board with a warranty, I may be a customer. MAY. So far you have failed to deliver.
I am starting to get the WTF feeling myself. AmigaOne's with an OS 4 license come with a firmware that enables you to boot OS 4. I don't understand where you see any contradiction to a fair use clause, because plainly, the person in question isn't even a customer of Hyperion, he bought the board second hand, without, as he says himself, a valid license. So what exactly is wrong here? If the board does not come with an OS, that's tough luck, but I do not see where Hyperion even ENTERS this picture - it's a second hand owner (or rather third hand) of a repaired board.
One board, one license right? Although honestly I am completely confused by the fact someone pointed out OS4 stand alone is for sale at Veselia :-? The board only came with OS4 (in theory) and only OS4 comes close to running properly on it. Every board sold had a license. I just don't see the issue, but heck, not my company. It's just something for me to keep in mind when and if you do have a product available for sale. That along with mandatory registration for product updates is a big turn off.
Meh, I'm ranting. You may very well be legally right, it just tastes funny.
The fun part is that the whole affair is already about to be cleared up, but of course, that doesn't stop people from making a big fuss about it.
I hope your right, but I'll believe it when I see it. The Sam board looks to have promise, if the price isn't other worldly and has most bugs are ironed out.
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Boot_WB,
If I end up paying full whack for it, I would want to know that I was buying a full retail version, not an OEM version, and thus if my A1 broke I could then use the license on my CSPPC, but should it come to it this is something I'll discuss with Acube/vesalia/hyperion/whoever. I'm not there yet, and was just musing.
OS4 was only ever sold as an OEM version.
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redrumola,
One board, one license right? Although honestly I am completely confused by the fact someone pointed out OS4 stand alone is for sale at Veselia?
Contact Vesalia and ask them about it. I actually brought this up some time ago, on AWN I believe, and Vesalia responded that it is due to a limitation of their stocking system that it must appear on the website. But, they don't sell it separately.
I hope your right, but I'll believe it when I see it. The Sam board looks to have promise, if the price isn't other worldly and has most bugs are ironed out.
LOL! yeah, Load_WB can just buy *another* board that comes with OS4! Replacing a busted CD is so easy in the OS4 world...just buy a whole new system to go with it so you always have plenty of backup!
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jorkany wrote:
Boot_WB,
If I end up paying full whack for it, I would want to know that I was buying a full retail version, not an OEM version, and thus if my A1 broke I could then use the license on my CSPPC, but should it come to it this is something I'll discuss with Acube/vesalia/hyperion/whoever. I'm not there yet, and was just musing.
OS4 was only ever sold as an OEM version.
That's what I thought, until someone posted this link (http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f1455524317705f58565208514e01101f0954414752050140090a1e31115579633a223c6373744e03263f2a2a7661053962616123687c2e347d40190a63754c5a1e6c4c0f674414654b544f4b58574e784d45134655082d71494a47131e54355373652e6e647e6f626a7d376d3a052) :-o
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jorkany wrote:
Contact Vesalia and ask them about it. I actually brought this up some time ago, on AWN I believe, and Vesalia responded that it is due to a limitation of their stocking system that it must appear on the website. But, they don't sell it separately.
Uummm.. Ok :-?
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jorkany wrote:
LOL! yeah, Load_WB can just buy *another* board that comes with OS4! Replacing a busted CD is so easy in the OS4 world...just buy a whole new system to go with it so you always have plenty of backup!
:lol:
Come now that's not what I meant. I meant the hardware looks intriguing, should the thing actually work at a reasonable price.
Integrated Flash memory devices controller
Up to 4 serial ports (Yes, I like serial ports)
64 pin for I/O General Purpose
FPGA
Of course I would have no interest unless a Amiga-like OS was on it and so far I see nothing to imply it will become available. Amiga Inc seem content to allow OS4 to die on the vine. I also have no interest if the Sam/OS4 bundle is $1,000.
But we are getting OT here. Let's start a new thread if we want to continue.
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jorkany wrote:
Contact Vesalia and ask them about it. I actually brought this up some time ago, on AWN I believe, and Vesalia responded that it is due to a limitation of their stocking system that it must appear on the website. But, they don't sell it separately.
That is very interesting if it is the case. I might e-mail Vesalia just to find out.