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Title: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 21, 2007, 03:33:01 AM
I guess I should have known better than to try to purchase something from her on Ebay. I sent 260.00 for a 4000D motherboard with daughterboard, screws, and plastic shield. I sent the money and waited almost 4 weeks and still no motherboard, I did email a couple of times and did get a response that she was too busy and couldn't keep up with the orders. Hey this isn't my fault I always pay within hours of a completed auction and only expect fair service in return after I pay for it.

I did file a claim with Paypal and got a response right away from Boogiegail with a refund. I then left neutral feedback stating that item never shipped but did get a full refund.

I am just a little miffed since I was looking forward to getting my Mirage Pro up and running with this board since my little deal with the Belkin 'Y' adapter that burned up my original motherboard. I am certainly looking at either buying another 4000D complete or 4000D for parts. If I can't find one I will probably start selling off what I do have that is good yet since I am getting frustrated with trying to find replacement parts. I currently have 3 4000T's all standard and a Mirage Pro with 4000D motherboard shot. I also have a CSMKIII 060 50mhz with 128mb of ram, and Prometheus PCI board.

I also purchased from Elbox an eFlash 2mb, Cocolino PS/2 adapter, a fast ethernet 10/100, and a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter to put a floppy drive in a 4000T.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Jule on March 21, 2007, 04:35:54 AM
I have dealt with Boogiegail over the years.  In the past I had no problems.  Recently I won a board from her that never got here.  She was hard to reach but did end up responding.  The item was lost in the mail and Boogiegail ended up refunding my money in full.  So I have had a similar experience but would do business with her again because I have had many good transactions in the past and she did end up making this last one right in the end.  She just needs to do better on responding to complaints sooner.  Jule
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 21, 2007, 04:56:47 AM
I know people have had both good and bad experience with Boggiegail, this was my first dealing with her and it wasn't very good she claimed that her shipping had gotten behind because she was busy with work, etc...

The point I am making is that if she doesn't have the time to ship something that is bid on she has no business putting it up for auction. I noticed several items go up for bid after my email from her which tells me she did have time to ship my item had she waited to post new items so I don't see that as a valid excuse. This has been my first negative experience with Ebay or anyone I have purchased from on the net.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: krize on March 21, 2007, 06:43:11 AM
Yeah, I would never buy something from a "too busy" seller!

Thanks for the warning.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 21, 2007, 07:25:10 AM
@amesie2:

if it was a negative experience, you should have given negative feedback. The money back is your right, not hers.

Anyways, good luck with your Amiga, but before that, I wanted to ask you: could you explain the problem with the Belkin "Y" adapter or whatever item that burned the motherboard?

Don't want to have me such a problem either :-)

Thanks
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 21, 2007, 11:35:18 AM
@da9000

Here is the link Belkin 'Y' adapter (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27693)
this should explain things about the frying of my 2 4000's plus an Apollo 3040.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 21, 2007, 11:41:25 AM
@amesie2:

oh Jesus, man!!! You need a beating! 2x4000's and an accelerator card??!? You just had to try another... Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Thanks for the link. I certainly ain't going to try it on mine :-)
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: justthatgood on March 21, 2007, 12:00:34 PM
Bleh, that must of been the motherboard that she bought from us for a mere $136 then. Hell, we even waited for our money. She got damn lucky..
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: drewz21 on March 21, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
Well, I'm not going to post my whole story yet but I told Boogiegail in a message last night that if I did not get resolution immediately that I was going to file a complaint, leave negative feedback, and let the Amiga community know about it.  I've had good luck with that person in the past but currently $435 of my money is tied up with that person.    :madashell:
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 21, 2007, 01:57:03 PM
@drewz21

I had gone through paypal for the resolution claim which was taken care of the same day by boogiegail.
I wouldn't wait any longer file the claim with paypal if that is what you used and hopefully you will get resolution quickly.

Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: James on March 21, 2007, 02:14:03 PM
Guys, NEVER hesitate to leave negative feedback on Ebay. It is what other people go by to check if they're dealing with a jerk or not. Obviously this gal here is not a good seller. Even though she "makes it right in the end" because you keep on pushing, think of all the people with less balls that you that didn't complain loud enough and got screwed over by her.

Way back before ebay was even popular, I remember exchanging a old Moog synthesizer for a modern one to a guy from NY. We discussed over the internet quite a number of times, and it seemed legit enough. We agreed to ship out synths on the same date. Obviously he didn't. I asked for the tracking number for the package a number of times and he never replied. Since I had his address and NY is only an 8 hours drive from here, I decided to present my cute little adorable self at his place. Turns out the guy was like 14, and his dad didn't want to ship the synth until they received mine. I did get my synth in the end and I still own the thing and use it all the time.

I learned something that day... I learned that I trust people too easily. I'm as honest as they come and as a result, I tend to believe every one is the same. But they're not. For all the jerks like me out there who still believe there is good in the world, we need to have those negative comments.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: drewz21 on March 21, 2007, 02:19:58 PM
Well, I just opened a claim on PayPal so I hope I get my money back soon.  It's really a shame as I wanted another A4000D and this one seemed in great shape and had a CD-Writer which I did not have for my Amigas yet.  It was this auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320081987462&rd=1&rd=1

And yes, I guess I'll have to leave negative feedback although I really hate to do so.  I like to try and give a person every chance I can.

 :-(
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 21, 2007, 05:46:57 PM
I did some checking on Boogiegail just for my own purposes and found that her name is Thyra G. Runion. I also have a phone number and address for her but upon calling the phone number between 3-16-07 and today 3-21-07 it has been changed which I'm guessing she probably has moved.

I hope those of you that do have disputes against her get them resolved without too much hassle. I don't think she really has a place in the Amiga community regardless of what she has to offer since half the time it doesn't show up or it is very late.

I see she has a few electronic items offered at BIN for around 4,000.00 wow I would hate to fork out that kind of money and not get the merch.!

I maybe should have left negative feedback which I would have done but she did respond to my claim rather quickly of course I did have to file a claim against her first before action was taken.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Fester on March 21, 2007, 06:40:19 PM
I dealt with this eBayer myself in 2006. Got all my Amiga stuff but it did take a while to arrive. I didn't mind since classic Amigas aren't going anywhere very fast anyway.

As long as the eBayer communicates and eventually ships the material, I'm usually ok.

I even had a guy claim he was in the hospital with a hole in the head. His hole must of repaired itself at some point because I got the item eventually.

What can you do?

Fester
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 22, 2007, 12:40:37 AM
@drewz21:

she's already aware that the community knows (she's posted on here before about, guess what? similar issues). But it's still good to "remind" her of this fact, so that her sources of suckers dwindles...

Good luck with your filing, let us know if you get your money back
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 22, 2007, 12:42:44 AM
@James:

wow, what a story! I hope you got'em to pay you for the gas :-)

Basically these "chicken and egg" situation has been bugging me a lot lately, and I have the same problem with people and positive feedback. I intend to leave positive, but I can't trust that the other will 1) leave positive as well or 2) never leave feedback, which is still not cool because why should I give one, and not receive one, right? I'm the loser in either case.

So what I've decided is this: since I at least know myself and I'm not a crook and I do _intend_ to leave positive feedback, I wait for them. If they leave, then I'll leave too. If they don't I'll never leave for them either. Fsck'em. But I'll never leave first, unless I'm a buyer, in which case I'll leave whatever feedback based on what I bought.

I think on eBay one has a couple responses, but I'm not sure how many..
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 22, 2007, 12:50:20 AM
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amesie2 wrote:
of course I did have to file a claim against her first before action was taken.


That's a negative RIGHT there, because you _know_ that she would have never returned the money had you not filed.

BTW, add this to her "file":
http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=Boogiegail+&Dirn=Received+by
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 22, 2007, 12:51:50 AM
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Fester wrote:

What can you do?


Show up at their home, like James did, and show them what it means to be a professional merchant! (with a baseball bat if possible!)  :-D
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 22, 2007, 02:47:58 AM
@da9000

How come Boogiegail is still alowed to operate on Ebay and Paypal with the score she has?

I guess it will only be a matter of time before people will just decide she is a crook and no sales will happen until she opens a new account.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Jeff on March 22, 2007, 03:04:36 AM
I am SO tired of this person:pissed: There isn't anything they have that I need bad enough to bid on.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: James on March 22, 2007, 05:29:23 AM
@da9000
I did not make them pay for the gas for two reasons. The first one is that I exchanged a used item I had paid 5$CDN for a brand spankin' new 2500$USD synth. And the second one is that I put the fear of god in them. I looked like some sort of psychotic killer at the time..shaved head..leather and spikes everywhere...boots up to your armpits (hence my 'cute adorable self' comment). And I looked *very* pissed at that particular moment. The guy's father was afraid, and it showed. That alone was worth the 25$ of gas (at the time.... today it would cost less to buy Yamaha and have them build me a custom synth).



@thread
Just an idea.. how about we all create bogus Ebay accounts and super-bid all her stuff? Stick it to her!
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 22, 2007, 07:24:10 PM
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amesie2 wrote:

How come Boogiegail is still alowed to operate on Ebay and Paypal with the score she has?

I guess it will only be a matter of time before people will just decide she is a crook and no sales will happen until she opens a new account


I think the reason is because the scoring system on eBay is broken. When you look at someone with 99.9% score and then one with 98.6% score, you naturally think they're both good. Afterall, you've been brainwashed for years at school to think anything above 90% is good. BUT in reality the two scores are WILDLY different. I would _never_ buy from a 98%, unless I'm desparate. I have 100%, and I intend to bend over backwards to please my customers and thus keep that, because it's really difficult to keep such a score.

So, for your second paragraph, she's not going to go away and "newbies" won't realize that she's so terrible, and they'll keep on buying from her. She'll be refunding money just to save her ass, and people will be giving neutral because of the "prompt" response and the story will continue...

What could be useful is something like that I link I pasted, because most people won't sit down and go through 50 pages to see the negatives (I do). Now with this new tool/site, it's really easy to focus on the negatives and avoid stupid actions, like buying from Boogiegail...


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James wrote:
@da9000
I did not make them pay for the gas for two reasons. The first one is that I exchanged a used item I had paid 5$CDN for a brand spankin' new 2500$USD synth. And the second one is that I put the fear of god in them. I looked like some sort of psychotic killer at the time..shaved head..leather and spikes everywhere...boots up to your armpits (hence my 'cute adorable self' comment). And I looked *very* pissed at that particular moment. The guy's father was afraid, and it showed. That alone was worth the 25$ of gas (at the time.... today it would cost less to buy Yamaha and have them build me a custom synth).


Hahahaha, that's awesome! Yes, you're right, gas prices weren't the same, and boy did you get a deal! 5CDN -> 2500U$, wow! And the "fear factor" :-D

Quote

@thread
Just an idea.. how about we all create bogus Ebay accounts and super-bid all her stuff? Stick it to her!


She does deserve it, but frankly it won't do much as far as making the other buyers aware of her crookedness...
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Fester on March 22, 2007, 07:59:15 PM
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da9000 wrote:

I think the reason is because the scoring system on eBay is broken. When you look at someone with 99.9% score and then one with 98.6% score, you naturally think they're both good.


Yes I certainly agree with you. That scoring system isn't very useful because a lot of eBayers just reciprocate negative feedback whenever customers complain. I suspect that more eBay buyers would be much more frank about the service they receive if they weren't afraid to have their own feedback messed up for being honest.

Fester
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 22, 2007, 09:14:41 PM
Quote

Fester wrote:
negative feedback whenever customers complain. I suspect that more eBay buyers would be much more frank about the service they receive if they weren't afraid to have their own feedback messed up for being honest.
Fester


I agree fully, because, unfortunately, I'm in that situation now, with 2 sellers.

The one dork never checked his email, and I never got the book I needed on time and I asked him to leave positive feedback, and I would not give him negative. He didn't. Now I want to leave negative, because he wasted 2+ weeks of my time and that book was needed by a certain date, but I'm afraid he'll retaliate and I don't deserve a negative: I paid right away. I was the perfect customer (you can't not be on half.com, since your money is taken right away). There's one option for me, but I'm debating using it: leave negative on the last day of the 90-day period. If he's quick, he can come back, but if not... Not sure I'll do it though.

As for the other dork... 2 of the 5 items are the wrong models. Argggg...

I also hate how eBay only gives 50 or so characters to explain oneself... Can barely describe the situation.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: drewz21 on March 22, 2007, 11:02:47 PM
Well, I've escalated my issue to a claim with PayPal since I've still yet to hear from her.  I'm hoping to get my money back soon.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 23, 2007, 04:17:10 AM
@drewz21

Wow, hope you get your $'s back man that really stinks that she continues to rip people off like that. I can't believe her, it's like shooting yourself in the foot I mean her reputation is going to continue to decline where nobody will deal with her at all.

I really think she did move like I posted earlier her phone number has changed in the last couple of days.

Anyhow I'm pullin' for ya.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Rabbi on March 23, 2007, 08:10:28 AM
I'm known on ebay as chicagojay.  I got negative comments from a problem seller that claimed he had to wait for my payment when in reality, I paid promptly.  He was so disorganized with keeping track of who paid what when that he posted the negative comment about me.  What's to stop another problem seller from blaming the buyer & leaving negative feedback to deflect problems with themselves when they themselves lack integrity?
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: jbuonacc on March 23, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
i'm currently waiting for WB 1.3 disks and manual from BoogieGail myself.  :-D i've even received the "i'm too busy..." email - about two weeks ago. if this was any more than $15 i'd be furious, i think i'll (try to) contact her.

here's something though - i recently sold a spare A500. i've just heard from the buyer that he's not able to use the RGB/Video port with his monitor. now, i'm sure that i used that A500 along with an A520 adapter when i got it, i know the port worked fine. for whatever reason, the buyer thinks that i've sold him this unit as defective and wants a refund. of course, the auction was 'as-is due to age' so i'm not sure what to do. also, it looks like he bought one in December that may have been pretty whipped. not sure what happened with that, he didn't end up leaving feedback for the seller. any thoughts on this? is it common/possible for the RGB/V port to go bad? all my other ones work fine, i'm having a hard time believing this...
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: motorollin on March 23, 2007, 12:18:16 PM
The commonality (or not) of the fault is irrelevant if you sold it as-is.

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moto
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: dannyp1 on March 23, 2007, 12:58:32 PM
There are obviously issues going on with Boogiegail that we aren't aware of and don't understand.  She has been selling too long to be just a rip-off artist.  She has sold far too many things to be doing this just to steal peoples money.  I have dealt with her probably a half dozen times with mixed results but in the end everything has worked itself out.  The most recent was buying a MKII from her that included a manual (the manual was in the picture in the listing) and when the package arrived it wasn't in it.  Somehow it came up missing.  Eventually she sent me $20 for not getting it but how do you lose a manual that's part of a listing?  It makes no sense.  I would deal with her again simply because she often offers things that are desirable and rare and that you might only see once or twice a year on Ebay.  I would not take the chance of dealing with her on common items such as the 1.3 disks mentioned above because these are available every day of the week on Ebay.  You are taking the chance of a hassle when you deal with her but it does seem that eventually things work themselves out.  Either you get your item or a refund.  I am not writing this to defend her because causing people these problems is no way to do business.  We have to remember that everybody in this world is not created equal.  There are people of all different IQ ranges and economic situations.  What seems obvious and straight-forward to us might not seem that way to the next person.  To end this I will just say that I don't think we are dealing with a bad person here, just someone with some problems of some sort.  It's easy to say that she should stop selling, but probably not so easy for her to give up the money she makes from doing it.

Dan
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: jbuonacc on March 23, 2007, 01:47:37 PM
right, i'm not assuming the worst (with other sellers either), but this is a bit ridiculous. and no, there weren't a dozen 1.3 disks available at the time, at least not in the US (i don't even really need them now though). things are different in UK/Europe it seems. i'm not going to wait by the mailbox, or raise hell (should i anyway?), but i would like to see these show up.

as for the A500 - right, it was sold 'as-is', but due to people who "won't buy from anyone with even a 98% feedback rating" i'm at the mercy of anyone i do business with. there's no way i would've sold this thing knowing anything was wrong, but now i've got to worry about him possibly leaving a negative if i don't refund his money. how does it look to you? here's a link to the auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140097078675&rd=1&rd=1

i take my current 100% pretty seriously and try to maintain a good relationship with buyers/sellers, but stuff like this makes me not want to deal with it. i've gotten quite shafted on a handful of C64's recently, did i go off crying to the seller for each of them? not at all, they were listed 'as-is' and i knew that when i bid on them. i've also never waited until i received positive feedback from a buyer to do the same for them. if they do their part, i immediately give them a positive for their payment. feedback ransom is lame.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Ral-Clan on March 23, 2007, 02:00:29 PM
Quote

as for the A500 - right, it was sold 'as-is', how does it look to you? here's a link to the auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140097078675&rd=1&rd=1


I hope you wrote the serial number of that A500 down just in case the buyer tries to do a "switch" on you and return the defective A500 he previously bought.

Also, make he knows what he is doing in hooking up the monitor.  It's unfortunate that sometimes people have to pay for return shipping costs because the buyer doesn't have a clue / didn't know what he or she was getting onto.

I think since you said it was "AS-IS" you should have to refund his or her money, but you're right that there is a serious Ebay flaw with retaliatory feedback.

I think there should be a double blind feedback posting system on Ebay.  Feedback should be stored by Ebay's computers and NOT posted publically until BOTH the buyer and seller have submitted their feedback to Ebay --- then both "feedbacks" are posted simultaneously.  Only then could the buyer and seller read the other person's feedback.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Doraemon on March 23, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
I had problems too with that person.
I bought a A4000D mobo that i never get.
The seller said that he sell the last to another person and do not have more for me.
After a lot of time, paypal and ebay fights I get all my money back.
It is't a serious ebayer.
I don't know how ebay don't make something with people like this.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: jbuonacc on March 25, 2007, 02:13:53 AM
oddly enough, my WB 1.3 disks and manual came yesterday afternoon just after writing about this. hopefully things will work out with the guy on the A500, he seems reasonable so far.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: drewz21 on March 25, 2007, 03:21:01 AM
Well, I've still not heard on my claim but I've noticed she has listed several new Amiga items on Ebay.  I've asked for responses from her now through PayPal and Ebay.  Really tired of this.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 25, 2007, 04:31:45 AM
@drewz21

Wow, hope you get something 435.00 is alot to lose when it isn't your fault at all.

I would think that Paypal could freeze her account until things are resolved with you kinda too bad that one would have to go that far.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Boot_WB on March 25, 2007, 04:33:31 AM
As for the a500 buyer, the other auction listing describes the one he bought in December as "The system has tape residue, is yellowed and the trapdoor underneath is taped on!  It’s also missing it’s side expansion cover."

It should be pretty easy to tell if he's trying to rip you off by returning the other A500 claiming it's the one he bought from you.

Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: aardvark on March 25, 2007, 07:25:17 AM
I think there are some fundamental problems with ebay feedback. One being that you can't retract anything once you have posted it.  The other day I accidentally left positive feedback for a guy whose item I never recieved. I meant to give the feedback to a guy from whom I'd purchased a similar item. They should at least have a limited time in which to cancel accidental feedback.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: motorollin on March 25, 2007, 10:47:56 AM
@jbuonacc
Well the sub-headng of your auction does say "fully working", and the body of the auction also states that it is "in good working condition, fully tested and running smoothly". If I read this on an "as-is" auction I would assume one of the following:

a. The "as-is" clause is a formality, and the system will be fine
b. The seller hasn't really tested it and doesn't actually know if it is working
c. The seller is lying and the system does not work at all

I might take a chance and bid on the item, but would be very disappointed if it arrived non-working after the auction stated that it was "fully working" and "fully tested". I would probably complain to the seller in this case.

Sorry of this is not what you wanted to hear. I'm not trying to offend you but I think that if you are selling an item "as-is" you shouldn't state also that it is fully working in another part of the auction as this is slightly contradictory.

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moto
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: jbuonacc on March 25, 2007, 11:18:13 AM
thanks for the input on the A500. it's tricky listing something 'as-is', or even selling something when so many things can go wrong with it. obviously it was working fine for me, but who knows what could happen in the meantime. i also wouldn't want to be responsible if he happened to plug something in with the machine powered up. fortunately i've got a handful of A500's here at the moment and was willing to repair/replace it if needed.

update - the guy emailed me last night saying he was a 'big idiot' and that he was sorry for giving me a hard time. :-D i wouldn't go that far, but... looks like he just didn't have the monitor switched over for RGB input (maybe it was set to composite?). turns out that the other one he bought had a  bad PSU and RAM expansion. if he hadn't agreed to test it out a bit more it'd be on its way back here, all due to user error. still pretty frustrating. now if i can just get these C64's working...
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 26, 2007, 04:42:23 AM
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motorollin wrote:
@jbuonacc
Well the sub-headng of your auction does say "fully working", and the body of the auction also states that it is "in good working condition, fully tested and running smoothly". If I read this on an "as-is" auction I would assume one of the following:

a. The "as-is" clause is a formality, and the system will be fine
b. The seller hasn't really tested it and doesn't actually know if it is working
c. The seller is lying and the system does not work at all

I might take a chance and bid on the item, but would be very disappointed if it arrived non-working after the auction stated that it was "fully working" and "fully tested". I would probably complain to the seller in this case.

Sorry of this is not what you wanted to hear. I'm not trying to offend you but I think that if you are selling an item "as-is" you shouldn't state also that it is fully working in another part of the auction as this is slightly contradictory.

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moto


I don't see it that way. The "as is" only means one thing: the machine is working fully (like stated) _BUT_ it's possible that something might stop working because it's old.

Simple.

Although I would word the "as is" like: "as is due to age".
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 26, 2007, 04:44:40 AM
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ral-clan wrote:
I think there should be a double blind feedback posting system on Ebay.  Feedback should be stored by Ebay's computers and NOT posted publically until BOTH the buyer and seller have submitted their feedback to Ebay --- then both "feedbacks" are posted simultaneously.  Only then could the buyer and seller read the other person's feedback.


That would be interesting to see in action. It sounds like a good idea. Almost like Solomon's rule: if you have to split something equally between two people, you have one do the splitting and the other the choosing :)
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 26, 2007, 04:45:20 AM
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aardvark wrote:
I think there are some fundamental problems with ebay feedback. One being that you can't retract anything once you have posted it.  The other day I accidentally left positive feedback for a guy whose item I never recieved. I meant to give the feedback to a guy from whom I'd purchased a similar item. They should at least have a limited time in which to cancel accidental feedback.


Agreed, that's very annoying ( as well as the length or number of comments... )
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: motorollin on March 26, 2007, 06:04:53 AM
Agree with all the comments about feedback. With regards to the "as-is" clause, I maintain that saying it is as-is in one part of the auction and that it is fully working in another does not make sense. I would put a single paragraph stating something like the following:

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This item was tested recently and found to be working, however the functionality cannot be guaranteed due to its age. Also please bear in mind that due to its age it might not be straightforward to set up. If you do have any problems getting it working please contact me prior to leaving feedback and I will do my best to help you, but as stated this is an as-is auction as I will not guarantee the functional condition of the item.


IMHO that is clearer than just stating that it's "fully working" but also "as-is".

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moto
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 26, 2007, 06:11:13 AM
Granted, it's better to have a paragraph like that, which most of us take for granted, yet some don't ...
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: drewz21 on March 26, 2007, 02:41:02 PM
Another update on my auction dealings with Boogiegail.  This morning I've had to file a report with Ebay as I've still not heard anything from her via e-mail, ebay messaging, or PayPal (which I have an open claim on now).  

In my opinion this person is a leech on the Amiga community and should be avoided at all costs!

If you choose to deal with you it is at your own risk.  Just read some of the comments in her feedback and that should tell you.

Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 26, 2007, 06:34:45 PM
Drez21, did you file both an eBay report AND a Paypal or just one of the two?

I'm dealing with a similar situation, but not with her (I did my research for I was to buy from her and realized she's a leech early on)
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: drewz21 on March 27, 2007, 12:53:45 AM
Final update on this for me.  She refunded my complete auction price today.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amesie2 on March 27, 2007, 01:35:18 AM
@drewz21

Glad to hear you were refunded your money :)
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: terminator4 on March 29, 2007, 02:26:53 AM
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=boogiegail
looks like *she* got suspended. :-o  :-D
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 29, 2007, 03:18:59 AM
That would be awesome! :-)

But then again, it might be her trying to do an "Amiga Inc." on us :-D
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: drewz21 on March 29, 2007, 03:28:01 AM
Wow, that's amazing!  I'm so glad I got my money back!  I am really shocked at this!
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amigadave on March 29, 2007, 04:57:06 AM
I just received my 26" Maxent monitor/TV from her, a bit later than I would have liked, but not enough to go yelling and screaming down the corridors.  I have never had any trouble with this seller, but it seems that more than a few have.  She is probably abandoning her account to start a new one that will not have all those negative feedback remarks.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 29, 2007, 05:03:54 AM
Some people do consider "a bit later than I would have liked" something to scream and yell about, because it's a binding contract that they enter when they decide to buy something and give a merchant their money.

Then again other people don't ...

Oh well, let's see how quickly she gets spotted again in her new identity...
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: amigadave on March 29, 2007, 06:05:01 AM
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da9000 wrote:
Some people do consider "a bit later than I would have liked" something to scream and yell about, because it's a binding contract that they enter when they decide to buy something and give a merchant their money.

Then again other people don't ...

Oh well, let's see how quickly she gets spotted again in her new identity...


I would absolutely agree with you IF you had an agreement from the seller to immediately ship the item on the same day or the day after the payment was made or received.  I never asked for such an agreement and did not see it offered.  I don't feel it necessary to defend BoogieGail's lack of response and slow shipping practices, they are very unprofessional and troublesome and would not be tolerated from any retail outlet (but hey, this is eBay afterall, so buyer beware).  If I had not had previous positive dealings with her, I may have been just as anxious about my purchases that were late in arriving.  Then of course there is the "Old Fart Factor" which automatically grants a person double patience points to deal with lifes little tragedies.  :lol:
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: da9000 on March 29, 2007, 06:23:09 AM
Heh, I understand you're not covering for her. It's just that people like that piss me off, like the rest of us here. If they only were at least communicative while being late, that would have pretty much alleviated most problems.

Anyways, enough about her "retardation" problems. All I want to know is this: WHERE did she get all the cool hardware!!!! Sometimes she had some awesome stuff. Where, where, where?
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Ancalimon on March 29, 2007, 10:17:27 AM
I bought a Video Toaster 4000 Flyer combo from her. Paid in March7 and still has not heard a word from her apart from the reply telling me she had no time but will ship this week.

Now she deleted her account how will I contact her. If she doesnt send me the cards will I be able to receive my money back?
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: motorollin on March 29, 2007, 10:23:56 AM
How did you pay?

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moto
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Ancalimon on March 29, 2007, 11:41:50 AM
using a creditcard from paypal account.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: motorollin on March 29, 2007, 11:52:10 AM
Then file a complaint with PayPal and you should be able to get your money refunded.

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moto
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Ancalimon on March 29, 2007, 11:21:20 PM
is there any chance that she will send the cards?
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Vlabguy1 on March 29, 2007, 11:26:01 PM
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FaLLeNOnE wrote:
is there any chance that she will send the cards?


I would guess NOT..based on what I'm reading here..The sooner
you file a complaint with PayPal the better..So file the complaint
and worry about the cards later..you can always find another
set..

Just my 2cents..good luck
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Damion on March 29, 2007, 11:36:11 PM
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FaLLeNOnE wrote:
is there any chance that she will send the cards?


Looks about 50/50, maybe worse. I'd file a complaint, get my money back and buy another card. (PITA, but you can't let j*ckoff sellers hold you hostage like that.)
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Vlabguy1 on March 29, 2007, 11:40:56 PM
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drewz21 wrote:
Final update on this for me.  She refunded my complete auction price today.


WOW..I have this auction saved in my ebay watch list..glad I did not bid/win...

Happy to read you got your money back.  Looks like she stiffed a guy for
$995 on a Nikon D80 camera..now that sucks.,.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: giZmo350 on March 30, 2007, 12:13:54 AM
Look at the big picture here...  she has a lot of money coming in and a lot of high value items going out. She uses your money to purchase (an assumption) these extremely hard to find items (in abundance any way) then probably has no money to get the items out (another assumption). Now, if you take in account, what would appear to be a complicated lifestyle, (family, age, single?, drug user?, illegal alien?, terrorist funder?, a dingbat?, blonde?, gambler?, and who knows what) it would explain why she can't get the items out in a timely manner. She also seems to sell stuff she doesn't really have. She uses your money for a period of time then gives it back. That allows her to use your money (for what ever reason) but also makes it appear that she has more Amiga items than she really has. That gets her more business (in the beginning anyway). This all seems to have caught up to her in the end.  :crazy:

Be sure to file with Paypal. Account closings are the exact reason that you CAN file with Paypal. When these types get shut down, the first thing a person might wonder is "Now What?"! But keep in mind, her "business" has now been shut down (for however short of a period) and will simply create another complication in her life and yours.

Let's hope she's really an honest person and makes good on what she owes you all. Seriously, good luck to you all.  :-)

BTW, Where does she get all that Amiga GOLD anyway?  :getmad:
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: dnelsonfl on March 30, 2007, 05:58:01 AM
If you paid by credit card, you also have the right to file a dispute with your credit card company and force a chargeback. On the back of your statement should be the address to write to. I've had to go this route a couple times in the past when PayPal was dragging its feet. Once the credit card company started to look into it, PayPal refunded real quick.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: fiat1100d on March 31, 2007, 12:06:56 PM
My experience:

I bought (and paid) a couple of sets of drive rails for my Amiga 4000T on the 3rd of March. I have been waiting for some time and they didn't arrive (shipping to Italy). About on the 20th I wrote to Boogiegail asking if there was some tracking code available, because I still didn't receive the items, and she replied there was no code available but I should have received the items soon.

Today I found an envelope from the USA, the drive rails! But the date of shipment was the 21st and it was the date when she replied!!

I was going to leave a neutral feedback for the delay (probably she would have never shipped if I didn't complain) when I learnt she is not an eBay member anymore... LOTS of negative feedbacks lately!

Overall, I have been quite lucky.
Title: Re: Boogiegail strikes again!!!
Post by: Ancalimon on April 07, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
How do I contact her? any emails she actually uses or an msn?