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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: baz136 on March 11, 2007, 10:16:36 AM
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Hi, Is it possible to use a varient of UAE or what ever to run OS 4 on any PPC architecture? I have various PPC boards but obviously none will work with OS 4, Any idea?
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It's not possible (at the moment). If it was, I guess prices of used Mac G3/G4 would have gone sky-high already. ;-)
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Hi, Is it possible to use a varient of UAE or what ever to run OS 4 on any PPC architecture?
UAE is 68k emulation, so there is no way it could run the PPC-based OS4.
There are many platforms that theoretically _could_ run OS4 (mainly PPC Macs), but you would need a legal copy of OS4 for that, which is only available bundled with the no-longer-available AmigaOnes. :crazy:
Emulation _is_ possible. Adam Kowalzcyk (ACK Software Controls) managed to boot OS4 on x86 using QEMU PPC.
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Yeah, Wonder what the reasons behind Eyetech shutting shop apart from money heh. It's a shame really, I really want OS4 badly. Can't you buy OS 4 to run on a1200's etc with ppc boards?
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At the moment is not possible to buy OS4 version for BPPPC/CSPPC..but Hyperion work on this!!
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The problem is that OS4 is hard coded to only run on AmigaOne boards (which you can't buy) and Classic Amigas with PPC boards (which you can buy, but the OS hasn't been released). The only way to get it to work on different hardware, like a Mac, would be to either hack the OS to remove the restriction (which would be illegal) or to emulate the missing hardware so OS4 would think it was running on an AmigaOne (which can't be done ATM).
Also, even if you could get the OS to boot on a readily-available piece of hardware, you wouldn't be able to distribute it legally. So basically, we're stuffed until AInc get their act together and release something.
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moto
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Yeah it sucks, When did eyetech actually shut shop? Last time I checked eyetech was a few months ago and they were open. Now re-directs me to amigakit. Are amigakit/eyetech related in any way?
As far as I could tell eyetech did not have a fab so cant amigakit contact some fabs and then get some more ones released? :madashell:
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Not sure when Eyetech finally died. They're not affiliated with AmigaKit at all, though Matthew who runs AmigaKit is friendly with the guy who used to run Eyetech. AmigaKit acquired most (all?) of Eyetech's surplus stock when the folded. If you want to enquire about any of Eyetech's surplus then you need to contact AmigaKit.
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moto
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Yeah, Wonder what the reasons behind Eyetech shutting shop apart from money heh.
Amiga Inc.
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humppa wrote:
Yeah, Wonder what the reasons behind Eyetech shutting shop apart from money heh.
Amiga Inc.
Nah, MAI's incompetence bundled with Alan's incompetence.
Amino's incompetence was just the icing on the cake :roll:
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Nah, MAI's incompetence bundled with Alan's incompetence.
Add to that Amiga Incs addiction to lawsuits and court action.
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motorollin wrote:
The problem is that OS4 is hard coded to only run on AmigaOne boards (which you can't buy) and Classic Amigas with PPC boards (which you can buy, but the OS hasn't been released). The only way to get it to work on different hardware, like a Mac, would be to either hack the OS to remove the restriction (which would be illegal) or to emulate the missing hardware so OS4 would think it was running on an AmigaOne (which can't be done ATM).
Also, even if you could get the OS to boot on a readily-available piece of hardware, you wouldn't be able to distribute it legally. So basically, we're stuffed until AInc get their act together and release something.
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moto
Actually, in the US, current DMCA exemptions include:
* Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. (A renewed exemption, first approved in 2003.)
* Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete. A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. (Revised from a similar exemption approved in 2003.)
Above courtesy Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA)
This means circumvention of copy protections on works so defined is legal; redistribution itself, beyond personal archival purposes, is still controlled by good old copyright itself.
[In the case of *normal*/*real* abandonware, the publishing company is defunct and there is no one left to raise a copyright complaint. The DMCA defines circumvention as a criminal offense, and as such is prosecuted by the FBI or whoever does that sort of thing.]
The AmigaOnes used some form of onboard dongle/key, and the machine itself is out of production, so... this actually puts Hyperion in a pretty bad place on this side of the pond -- since OS4 software exists, one can raise an argument that OS4-for-AmigaOne protections *can* legally be circumvented to allow 'reproduction' (execution) of these works.
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Since OS4 is still protected by regular copyright which has not expired, this in no way makes it legal to copy OS4 to your friends or the world. It *does* make it legal to practice what used to be fair use on a personal copy acquired by legal means, to perform any cracks necessary to get the d*mn thing to run on available equipment.
In turn, said 'crack' could be distributed as a patchset to use on or with the official CDs, but since OS4 is essentially unavailable, this only (legally) helps people with toasted AmigaOnes and the time and expertise to hack on the problem.
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This analysis would suggest that something should be made available on some form of hardware (even at NeXT-level prices) to protect against claims of obsolescence. I have no idea what case law looks like if any yet exists for this type of thing; if it did come to court, a decision of DMCA obsolescence for the one version wouldn't be a big deal, but any corrolary stupidity (a failure to distinguish between the specific AmigaOne distribution and the project going forward under an active company's ownership) could set bad precedent and be a pain to appeal.
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I guess these DCMA exemptions would equally apply to something like MacOS 9 and as well? Since hardware required to run it can't be purchased anymore... and hasn't been available for nearly a year!
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Aos4? pbtthhhhhhhh. Why bother? Amiga Dev India will be rolling out AOS5 any day now!
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bloodline wrote:
I guess these DCMA exemptions would equally apply to something like MacOS 9 and as well? Since hardware required to run it can't be purchased anymore... and hasn't been available for nearly a year!
I assume. OS 9 didn't have any meaningful copy protections that I know of, however. (Jobs' Apple stopped licensing the OS to the clone makers, but AFAIK it still runs on most clones.)
Since Apple still exists, it is the same issue as may exist with OS4 -- you're now freed from the DMCA (no longer a criminal for circumventing protections) but still have to honor their copyright.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with WGA-infected PCs when XP is finally End-of-Lifed -- at which point the public will probably become more aware of their rights (which can change every 3 years, thanks to the wording of the law).
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What Hyperion could do, is start on OS 4.1 and arrange a new license agreement, so OS 4.0 is tied to Amiga One, but future release could loose that restriction and allow it to be used on other platforms also based in the PPC or which ever processor they want it for...
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What Hyperion could do, is start on OS 4.1 and arrange a new license agreement (...)
No, they can't do that _if_ the buy-back clause has been activated (see McEwen interview). All rights in AmigaOS would be transferred back to Amiga Inc.
Wether that clause has been activated or not and the question "Who owns OS4?" is probably one of the topics Amiga Inc. and Hyperion are fighting about.
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What would be, if OS4 just booting up on my A1200/Bppc, and everyone else is forget the lawyers,licences, flame wars and other not important things. :-D
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Agreed, I can't see any reason why they cannot change the license agreement for new OS as there is no hardware to run OS4 or any future OS to run it on. It would be commercial suicide or stupidity to lock it to one platform which the company and the hardware no longer exist.
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Agreed, I can't see any reason why they cannot change the license agreement for new OS as there is no hardware to run OS4 or any future OS to run it on.
Simply because a change to the original licensing agreement is only possible with a consent of both Amiga Inc. and (the now defunct) Eyetech. Hyperion was contracted for OS4. They are not entitled to further updates when the buyback has been activated.
It would be commercial suicide or stupidity to lock it to one platform which the company and the hardware no longer exist.
Indeed and I don't think Hyperion are entirely happy with that situation. However, their hands are tied.
Let's wait another few years and see what the outcome of the ongoing legal wranglings are. Exciting, isn't it? :lol:
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koaftder wrote:
Aos4? pbtthhhhhhhh. Why bother? Amiga Dev India will be rolling out AOS5 any day now!
LMAO!!!!! But besides laughing my ass off this thread (once again) made me realize what an absurd and sad state Amiga and OS4 is in.
Meh, I'm happy with my classic Amigas though, so I'm pretty ambivalent about the whole thing, although this is certainly not what I would have wished for today's "Amiga". I'm actually more interested in alternatives like AROS and MorphOS than I am in the group of dimwits that happen to actually own the name "Amiga".
But who knows, maybe Amiga Dev India will rock our world, come OS5 in 2038!
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