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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: downsj on March 03, 2007, 02:27:19 AM
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Hi all,
After doing some searching on the forums, I'm sure it comes as no surprise to any of you, but I'm here to tell you that RetroGeek/DoomMaster/etc, aka George Campbell of Beaverton, Oregon, is selling stolen items on eBay.
Specifically, items that he stole from me.
Yes, I did a stupid thing and let him convince me to leave the items with him on a promisary note for $200. My bad. He's actually quite personable in person, and portrays himself as an active and respectable member of the Amiga community and successful eBay merchant... and without doing any research, someone like me who just wanted to get his Amiga stuff out of his garage would know no better.
At any rate, he got a large amount of Amiga items from me over three months ago and never paid me for them. Two boards have been sold on eBay already (here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150068303645) and here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150093616483)), and another item is in his current auctions (here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-520-RGB-to-Color-Composite-Video-Adapter_W0QQitemZ150095618333QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)).
Let this be a warning to all, and for those who already dislike the guy... You're right. He's a liar and a thief. Based on my communications with him, I'm not the only one he's ripped off recently, either.
If anyone would like more information, feel free to PM or email me.
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So was he to pay you for the items after he sold them or something? Well since he has sold them why not ask him, or visit him (assuming you live close to him)? I have dealt with him on a couple of occasions and he has comed through for me. I have heard others have had the opposite experience. I will email him and get his take on this and let you know.
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Sorry to hear that, Mate. You're not the first and you probably won't be the last. =(
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Actually, he was supposed to have paid me for them within a couple of weeks. He's since sold at least some of the items on eBay, and has yet to pay me.
Believe me, I have been in communication with him, and it's my belief that he has no intention of ever paying me.
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I'm new to the community and this sort of thing scares me... The sad part is that I was referred to one of his auctions last week by someone local to me (and I'm sure that if you're reading this you'll probably figure out I'm talking about you...I mean no offense in my omission), but was warned by someone else about him (RetroGeek) and decided not to bid in the auction... Boy am I glad.
Has anyone filed a formal complain again this guy? Either legal or even contact eBay to see what venues there might be?
I know he does not represent the entire Amiga community, but in all honesty this sort of thing makes the experience for new comers like myself be more "en guarde" and less enjoyable (like it should be).
I hope you can find some sort of resolution, and this type of behavior needs to be punishable or they will continue.
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hotchalupa wrote:
Has anyone filed a formal complain again this guy? Either legal or even contact eBay to see what venues there might be?
I'm planning on contacting the Beaverton police on Monday.
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His reputation is very, very well documented
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downsj wrote:
I'm planning on contacting the Beaverton police on Monday.
*laughs*
Maybe you will be the last, then. :lol:
I hope that's true. He's a stain on the community. :madashell:
NOTE - I'm laughing at him, not you. I really hope you get the guy. He's ripped off a lot of people.
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stopthegop wrote:
His reputation is very, very well documented
If anyone else has been ripped off by him recently and is willing to speak with the police about it, please email or PM me.
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Yup, he's ripe for post-natal abortion. He's scammed a lot of people and generally is an idiot.
Good luck with the Beaverton police!
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He told me he gets "donations" of old computers from people and he then resells the stuff he does not want. Sounds like he thought you "donated" that stuff to him. Or he is in denial about it and thinks of it as a donation! Don't know what your dialog has been with him but if this is true, this is not cool. He needs to pay you the $200 if that is what you guys agreed on. I have met George and he seems like a descent guy. Like I said I have conducted business with him atleast 4 times and it was all positive! I am just going off my experience.
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Perhaps this is everyone's cue to come forward and formally complain. Simply posting on a message forum to warn others is nobel but it does not resolve the issue. The problem is that people with bad ethics go both ways (buyers and sellers alike), so half the people probably don't even care those items are stolen.. He will continue ripping the honest people off, and serving the ones that are just like him.
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@hotchalupa
I bet you are the proud new owner of a Commodore 2002 RGB monitor, aren't you? :banana:
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TjLaZer wrote:
He told me he gets "donations" of old computers from people and he then resells the stuff he does not want. Sounds like he thought you "donated" that stuff to him. Or he is in denial about it and thinks of it as a donation! Don't know what your dialog has been with him but if this is true, this is not cool. He needs to pay you the $200 if that is what you guys agreed on. I have met George and he seems like descent guy. Like I said I have conducted business with him atleast 4 times and it was all positive! I am just going off my experience.
Kind of difficult to interpret signing a note for $200 and making a verbal promise to pay as being a donation.
You certainly got a response from him quickly... He's been ignoring my emails today.
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Some of these are corkers. Enjoy, or not...
http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=retrogeek001&sourceid=Mozilla-search&Dirn=Received%20by&Many=ON
Nuff said, the guy's a complete {bleep} who needs locking up. Sorry to hear you've become one of his victims. :cry:
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@TjLaZer
And aren't you glad I didn't just hand you a promisary note! :lol:
Okay, that was my 5 seconds of humor on this thread. Back to the serious matter at hand. :madashell:
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@downsj
No he has not replied to my email yet. He told me that before, that he gets stuff from people/goodwill and sells the stuff he doesn't want.
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So he scores all this extremely rare and exotic (and expen$ive!!) hardware -- stuff like high spec A4000 Towers, G-Rexx PCI expansions, Phase5 Cyberstorm boards, GVP 060 turbo boards, original Amiga Multisync monitors, ultra-rare 15KHZ-capable VGA monitors, DKB memory boards, Toasters, Flyers, Picasso IVs, Zorro SCSI II cards, and who knows what else...
Thats quite a feat, to have arranged a steady supply of the very same hardware pieces that NO ONE else in the world can find. Anywhere. For any price! So he just hooked up with the local Salvation Army and, just like that, hit paydirt! Even better, "the charities give the stuff away"?? Ya, right!
Either he's just that much smarter than the rest of us or he's a total freak'n moron for thinking anyone would believe such sh1t. Me thinks the latter.
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He told me he gets "donations" of old computers from people and he then resells the stuff he does not want.
One time he tried to get me to send him the floppy drives I had. He PMailed saying that I should send them to him and he would determine if they worked. The idea being that he'd pay me for the working ones, I guess. I declined the offer. Maybe that's the kind of donations he gets.
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d0pefish wrote:
Some of these are corkers. Enjoy, or not...
http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=retrogeek001&sourceid=Mozilla-search&Dirn=Received%20by&Many=ON
Nuff said, the guy's a complete {bleep} who needs locking up. Sorry to hear you've become one of his victims. :cry:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
"Didn't work with my Amiga 4000, which he calls a sh-ty computer"
"Seller lies,cheats and steals w/ VULGER mouth."
"Seller lies w/ VULGER mouth"
"SELLER NEEDS LYING MOUTH CLEANED WITH SOAP!"
"SellerCursed at me&called me an"a,,h.le"
"VULGAR_CROOK"
"Seller was rude + abusive"
"EXTORTION-LIES-THREATS-PROFANITY-BEWARE!!"
I guess we know he can swear a lot.
I love how defends himself too with stuff like"
"Reply by retrogeek001: 30 days is not slow!!!"
No, I guess in "Amiga" land 30 days is not slow.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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couple of months ago I posted A1200 for sale, and he emailed me that my description is not accurate, - because I said that Amiga 1200 is one of the best Amigas ever with Aga chipsets, great compatibility, etc..., he was acting extremely rude, saying that Amiga 2000 & 3000 are the best, and that I should probably change it, he cursed in email a lot, lol.
seriously he sounded almost mad me thinks :lol:
to contradicts what he was saying, he just sold his A1200 before that, and was stating totally opposite(awesome system and so on, about A1200 of course).
what a twisted sh%#head...
I would suggest never to deal with this guy.
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The following idea was inspired by the people who sabotaged the Wii/PS3 Ebay Price Scalpers.
Just make a brand new ebay account. Then bid $999999 dollars on every auction that he puts up and never pay him.
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Don't take an IOU from anyone, ever.
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Fantastic ! The legend of Doomy live on :lol:
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@Chubbyrain
The problem with that is that you need a credit card to get an account, or at least I remember having to need one when I joined.
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http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&myWorld=true&userid=geekygeorge
Is that the same guy with a different account?
Too much coinsidence that he goes by a similar moniker,and also seems to sell a lot of Amiga stuff... Notice his location isn't specific either.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110090553922
Just like some of RetroGeek's auctions, he uses cheesy background music that is eerily similar (if not the same)... Also notice the phrase that says: "NOTE: Buyer agrees to prepay by Money Order or PayPal"
Same phrase RetroGeek uses, except he does not accept PayPal as RetroGeek... Since his PayPal account under GeekyGeorge might be verified, he may not want to be identified by people who've purchased from him "alternate" identity.
If this is the case, he is in violation of eBay terms of use. More ammunition for those of you who are seeking justice of some sort.
BTW, I found that while searching for more Amiga stuff on eBay. The eBay alias just seemed too close to just be coinsidence, and the wording in his auction plus that cheesy music sort of sealed the case.
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So was he to pay you for the items after he sold them or something? Well since he has sold them why not ask him, or visit him (assuming you live close to him)? I have dealt with him on a couple of occasions and he has comed through for me. I have heard others have had the opposite experience. I will email him and get his take on this and let you know.
but... you are a moderator of his site! or not? (http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=49)
You should know him much better than us!
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I was gonna say its hard not to doubt your sincerity TJ when you are a moderator on his forum and obviously a buddy of his. Since you promote his gospel then of course he isn't going to try to rip you off.
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that happened to me once... I didnt know they didnt like knuckle sandwhiches. true story.
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Maybe this TJ character is DM him(her)self or meerly a stooge for the DM machine.
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weirdami wrote:
Maybe this TJ character is DM him(her)self or meerly a stooge for the DM machine.
i always wondered that too. this issues has been bought up before. i get the impression that TJ is a close contact of DM.
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Thanks for the warnings.
I saw a couple of auctions from this guy a couple of years back. One in particular was for an A530, though you'd never know it past the third line of his description. He raged for most of three paragraphs about the types of bidders that he hates, how everyone's trying to rip him off, etc. Definitely off his meds that day and sounds generally unstable to say the least. He retracted that auction and a few days later reposted the same item with a more of a description and less of a tirade. But the damage was done and needless to say and I've avoided his auctions (and their cheesy music) ever since.
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Maybe TJLazer is Doomy's mate. I would still buy from him though (TJLazer, not Doomy).
Until he proves otherwise, TJLazer can be trusted.
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and honestly is the second time that i've asked him a reply/clarification i never got.
I can live even without but the important (at least for me) is to avoid to be "fooled"(sp)
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Alright, People. Enough about "Is TJ really DoomMaster?".
Rest.
I've been on here a *LONG* time. Since *BEFORE* the reset
and move to the new server.
And so has TJ.
I'm sorry you got ripped off. Some people have good luck with him, some don't. You were an unlucky one. You need to talk to the authorities and see what you can do. Resolve the matter, using the system and you'll be fine.
As for the rest of you: :madashell:
Most of you have been on here for a couple of years. TJ and I have been here, nearly a decade, if not a decade. In all that time, I have never seen one person complain about purchasing *ANYTHING* from TJ and I find it rude that you're all lynching him, simply 'cos he knows a guy, through which he has purchased several things, without a problem.
I was around, during the "DoomMaster Days" and there are two things that I can tell you, for all certainty:
TJ is *NOT* "The DoomMaster".
And I think you owe him an apology. :evil:
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never said he was DM!!!! i said only that he is too much "close" to him (beeing a mod of his site) to make vague statements like: "I have dealt with him on a couple of occasions and he has comed through for me" with the attempt to defend who actually is not defensible at all.
Ergo i don't owe apologies to nobody.
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weirdami wrote:
@Chubbyrain
The problem with that is that you need a credit card to get an account, or at least I remember having to need one when I joined.
When I joined a few years ago I didn't need one. Which was handy because I didn't have one.