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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: LawlessPPC on March 01, 2007, 01:47:45 PM
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Ok I'm not what you call a proactive Amiga user other than telling other people it strengths. So heres my attempt at trying to get something of the ground.
We have had poll after poll on things that we want. Which give a good indication of the thoughts of the buying public. But this is all they seem to do.
Heres my suggestion.
Is it possible we can set up petitions for the things we want in a hope to lobby for these things.
These could be in the form of a web page or 2.
OS4 Classic petition
you sign leave your email address and a possible reason (hopefully this would stop rogue entries)
Os4 License Bounty
maybe I dont know public opinion on this but to get hyperion past Ainc legal Sh*t
Hardware License Petition
i think you get the idea
I dont have the knowledge to setup the site or sites but I would be willing to help.
I just feel the only reason we dont have anything is because of AIncs bad legal dwindlings and if we lobby we may achieve.
Plus as it stands Hyperion aint getting paid for their work.
PS hope this hasnt been done already or if it has can we have the links or put them on A.Orgs homepage
L8rs
LawlessPPC
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OS4 Classic petition
Hardware License Petition
Petitions dont work, anyway I thought hyperion said on aw.net that they are getting the OS4 classic PPC version ready now.
As for hardware, who the heck are you going to send that petition to? hyperion? they know about the lack of hardware. Amiga inc? They dont care about OS4, just Amiga Anywhere.
As for the bounty idea I do think setting up an international site for people to put up a bounty for hardware or software would be a great idea.
Get as many different projects working on the same bounty as they want (dont assign it to one group) and such like.
The down side is if someone doesnt want to do the work you are stuck, Amizilla being the obvious example, its got a massive pot of money waiting, its been going for a long time with adverts in Total Amiga, Slashdot and more, we need a new browser yet still nothing has been shown, not even a line of code. Its sad.
I just feel the only reason we dont have anything is because of AIncs bad legal dwindlings and if we lobby we may achieve.
How can someone who does nothing make a situation worse, except by slow erosion of the userbase.
From day one they said they were interested in the AA, a portable OS, not the classic/PPC Amiga.
Ok, if A.Inc were to be taken over by a group of Amiga fan boys with lots of money or skill I bet we would see some new spark of life in the community but.. Mehh, it aint gonna happen.
Plus as it stands Hyperion aint getting paid for their work.Plus as it stands Hyperion aint getting paid for their work.
They have had more than enough time to put the project on ice until hardware was available, they are good guys but it was always a big risk. At least now they can go and write some games for a while (For linux or Mac, etc) and get an income for a while until hardware comes out.
PS hope this hasnt been done already or if it has can we have the links or put them on A.Orgs homepage
The idea of everyone contacting Amiga or signing a petition has been done to death, it wont change anything because a.inc are not hardware designers.
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the petition over hardware was for companies that have hardware that Ainc wont give a licence too fro maybe daft reasons
Oli I thought you may have seen this more than anyone
As a side note if Ainc grant you a license and you have firmware issues and then if Hyperion can help with this process.
Forgive if I have got this all wrong my knowledge of this matter is small but if this gave you the abilty to produce a finished product that had native OS support on launch in a reduced time this surely is a good thing for everyone. Including Aincs very bad profile
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:horse:
Dammy
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/me yawns...
Anything good on the telly tonight? :roll:
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if its all too boring to you why read and even worse why wast your energy posting. Has this turned into amigaworld.net. I would have rather had dont think you'll have any luck or maybe reasons why but the last 2 comments achieve nothing. Always thought A.org was a bit warmer than this.
Now if I had posted I had just returned to the platform or was thinking of jackin it all in I'm sure your comments would have been far rosier.
I take on board what oli had to say because he had something to say!
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LawlessPPC wrote:
Has this turned into amigaworld.net
Well, usually aw.net is the place where all kinds of discussions regarding OMG what can we do to make Ainc/Hyperion/whoever make new hardware/OS versions/whatever??!!1!one are going on. That's why we pretty much get bored if there is *another* thread coming up.
Plus, we've had our annual share of that already recently, with Starke :-)
Always thought A.org was a bit warmer than this.
We're *very* warm actually, wanna sit close to me? :lol: :crazy:
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lame comments apart... theese arguments are on dayly basis on aw.net!
There are other silly (sorry for the silly but is how i feel it) petitions since years with the only result to have driven disappointed/upset and tired even whom have proposed it.
looking for links....
AmigaOS petitiononline (http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos)
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@LawlessPPC, post over at http://amigaworld.net/ you will get more support for your quest there...
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LovelyWendie (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)
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OS4? Isn't that the os that does not have the "classic" feel but also lacks the apps and features to compeat with linux, osx or windows.... a real winner. (the fact that there is no hardware is just adding insult to injury)
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kd7ota
is that a picture of you beatin an amiga user while he's down?
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i was always a great believer of if you dont know then ask. Well I wont be making that mistake again!!!!
Looks like my 20 years (or there abouts) of Amiga may be coming to an end.
Reason being I dont want to surround myself with this type of attitude
L8rs
LawlessPPC
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Sometimes when an animal is close to death it better to just kill it rather than sit around and watch it struggle and slowly die. It's called dignity.
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the petition over hardware was for companies that have hardware that Ainc wont give a licence too fro maybe daft reasons
I have not seen anyone with a PPC motherboard who has been turned down by Amiga inc... have you?
if the Sam gets launched but for some reason Amiga inc try and stop hyperion or whoever from getting OS4 on to it then that is the time to do another 20 questions thing with Amiga asking why etc but that is second guessing something that hasnt even happened yet.
If your thinking of those PPC developers boards then dont, they are not suitable for use as a computer, they just are not.
Oli I thought you may have seen this more than anyone
Nope, never needed to speak to them, most people wont, its not like all software programmers have to get the software checked by a.org before they can launch it or hardware guys before they launch a zorro card.
I did e-mail Amiga a few owners back about getting a Zorro ID (Was a CAT's number) but never got an e-mail back, I posted on the a.com forum and then just left it, I will just allocate one myself when the time comes. :-D
As a side note if Ainc grant you a license and you have firmware issues and then if Hyperion can help with this process.
If you had firmware problems you could hire Hyperion without A.inc, the firmware is Uboot, which isnt owned by Amiga in any way shape or form. Hyperion are not bound to Amiga for anything but OS4 so taking on a firmware job would be fine.
Altering OS4 to run on it would be ok, selling that may not, I dont know what the contract is.. only Amiga and Hyperion do.
the abilty to produce a finished product that had native OS support on launch in a reduced time this surely is a good thing for everyone.
The problem is your handing amiga inc a petition saying licence this hardware when there is no hardware to licence.
We dont even know if the Sam board makers will apply to Amiga inc for a licence, they may not even try and just expect a.inc to come to them or just to launch a compatiable program to run on the Sam.
Anyway Im sat at work when I should be sat at home, I intend to correct this now. :-)
Cya laterz
PS: they are saying your beating a dead horse, not a dead amiga user... horses taste better :lol:
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GOD!!
This is getting pathetic!
Here's a guy with all good intentions for what he believes is a way to get Amiga back in the game, and what happens??
He gets attacked by the very people he is trying to help...
I for one CAN see the Amiga regain it's consciousness.
But then....
guru-666 wrote:
Sometimes when an animal is close to death it better to just kill it rather than sit around and watch it struggle and slowly die. It's called dignity.
... I have it in me to keep fighting!
I just don't back down! I don't!
And I live by one simple rule.
If you don't want to contribute in a positive or creative way to any discussion - then don't contribute at all!!!
It's that simple!!
Pardon my French, but I thought we were better than this over here.... ;-)
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is that a picture of you beatin an amiga user while he's down?
Obviously your not fimiliar with AO. Vast majority of us posters have become rapidly bored beyond tears everytime someone thinks they have a grand solution to save OS4. Unfortunetly, their hearts maybe in the right place, but their knowledge of actual situations is minimal.
The only real choice you have is to sit back and hope for Amiga Inc to come out with OS5. OS4 is so hobbled with legal issues, it's going no where fast. The rest of us are doing what we can to get our favorite OS (be it AOS classic, AROS or MOS) moving forward.
Dammy
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I just like the beating of the horse. :)
But as far as this topic goes....
I remember many years back when my brother in law bought his 1ghz AMD new in 2000-2001, and sorry to say, alot has not happened since...
I posted on some other thread about what Amiga would have to do to win many users from the College side..
1.Powerpoint (Which I said Scala may be able to replace)
2.Word Processor (This can be achieved)
3.Web browser w/flash,java support (Many bored college kids sit back and watch videos, play games online.)
Finally, 4.World of Warcraft (Since many people play that)
But when you put amiga into all of this, then it basically puts itself in competition with others.
Closest I experienced to an Amiga was Ubuntu Linux, which took away the windows feel, but still felt bloated with the times it took to boot. Fair enough.
Im tired. Anyone here want to play some good classic quake sometime? :-D
Im game.
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@Lawless PPC
If you are interested in petitions (whether they work or not its good to have a desire for change at least I think).
Here are two already established ones you can consider signing:
http://www.petitiononline.com/os4dist/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/
Yes the second one is 5 years old. Hence part of the reason why people say they won't work.
As for voicing an opinion. If you feel the desire to I'd encourage you to email Amiga's chairman at penttikouri AT earthlink DOT NET and the President at bill AT AMIGA DOT COM.
Also sign up for a forum login at Amiga.com and post in their own forums. And as people mention amigaworld.net is probably a better place to get into these kinds of threads. Also google for Moo Bunny, some interesting info is sometimes posted there, but it also gets very nasty at times too.
I think for this site most people prefer not to get into such stuff here. Hope this helps you in some way.