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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: AMC258 on February 24, 2007, 03:21:19 PM
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Brewers tickets became available at 9:00 this morning. Naturally, I logged onto the website to start buying.
The layout appears better in Opera than IBrowse, so I dusted off and fired up the peecee. I had to dig to find the keyboard. Anyway, there is a feature on the website that makes you wait for access, and reloads the page, basically a queue for users. Well, in Opera, the javascript hangs and you get nowhere. So, I assumed the problem is that the site is IE compliant. I ran IE, and the same thing happened. So, what the heck, I'll try IBrowse again. The javascript works perfectly in IBrowse!
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Ibrowse is still crap compared to PC browsers.
Firefox is still the best browser imo.
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Best browser is Explorer if you are competent and update your system with security patches often.
With Explorer you almost always get the best version of the homepage since it is the defacto standard for viewing homepages.
Explorer starts faster than Firefox.
I am not enjoying the situation, just telling you how it is.
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*chuckles*
Sure. Like IE renders anything officially standards compliant correctly :-P
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IBrowse is by far the fastest browser I've used, and I've used quite a few. Opera is my 2nd favorite.
The ONLY advantage IE has is that most sites are improperly written, and thus IE compliant!
Note that I use my Amiga for things I consider useful, which does not include a lot of frilly sites that make extensive use of Java, Flash and Windoze Executables. I don't access such sites on any other platform either. There is only one site I cannot access with my Amiga that I need to use which is taxslayer.com. All the other sites work acceptably in IBrowse although the layout isn't always perfect. Many pages I use do layout better in IBrowse than on the Peecee browsers though!
I could only complain about previous versions of IBrowse. The current version fixes all the gripes I had.
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If I take firefox, and use the web developer plugin to disable all CSS support, thus making it a better comparative match for IBrowse, it whizzes all over it in performance terms.
This is, of course, simply down to the fact that my "Pee Cee" has massively more horsepower to do *anything* than my Amiga does. If this is going to become another one of those "why my 060 amiga is so much faster than a modern PC" thread, I am just going to have to reiterate the fact that this view is delusional.
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Personally I like Safari... I'll get me coat :-D
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Maybe I need to coin a new phrase, "Horsepower sells Windoze, Productivity keeps me from selling my Amiga".
My 060 does not process CPU instructions as fast as my whateverGHz peecee. But, the peecee does require me to bend over backwards to get work done at the same pace I can on my Amiga.
Yeah, if I uninstalled Windoze and all the software on my peecee, it'd run that "Non system disk or disk error" prompt pretty darned fast.
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AMC258 wrote:
Maybe I need to coin a new phrase, "Horsepower sells Windoze, Productivity keeps me from selling my Amiga".
Hmmm, we productivity is what forced me from the Amiga platform... I simpled needed software that requires massive CPU power..
My 060 does not process CPU instructions as fast as my whateverGHz peecee. But, the peecee does require me to bend over backwards to get work done at the same pace I can on my Amiga.
I doubt the whateverGHz peecee requires you to bend over backwards... I suspect you are refering to Windows...
Yeah, if I uninstalled Windoze and all the software on my peecee, it'd run that "Non system disk or disk error" prompt pretty darned fast.
Then install Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS X ;-) or AmigaForever... OR even get a Mac...
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@cv643d:
I so not agree with you. Next to the iMac G3 I use at the moment (the big-box Apple's monitor died) my wife runs an, rather old, AMD Duron 750 MHz with XP. I installed IE7 on it and boy... it takes like forever to load! Browsing is sooo slow.... Still makes plenty of errors on the PNG side of business and... drops into a 'error report' all to often.
On the same machine the latest version of Firefox 2 is installed. It starts faster, renders faster, responds better and... does all the PNG tricks you'd ever want (and more ;-)).
Add to that that Firefox comes with a handy debug tool for problems in HTML, CSS and JavaScript. That's far more useful than the Yellow Triangle with the 'Error in line...' comment from IE.
But then... it's a matter of taste... probably.
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I'll use every browser available on my system before i'd use IE...in this order Firefox, Opera,RealBrowser,then and only then if forced to..IE
for mac's, Camino, then Safari, couple others i can remember
On the amiga, ibrowse, aweb then voyager... somebody give us another please, though i much enjoy the speed of ibrowse on my 060 even on dial up over ie on pc with highspeed connection! gee wonder who I'm implying this to? huuummm!
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I have to agree - save for one item.
My employer uses Exchange Server 5.5 and OWA - on my windozen't pc, I couldn't connect with ANY brower, IE, FireFox, Opera. Fired up IBrowse - it W O R K E D! But...and I hate to say it, but I have to be honest - since I upgraded to IBrowse 2.4, it will *NOT* connect no matter how I set the prefs...
Other than that--->
IBrowse otherwise lets me pay my bills and do my banking. I feel more secure (all those arguments about IE being secure if you do this, and this, and this, then make this setting, and this setting...I shouldn't HAVE to do that!!!)
I am on (yuck) dial-up service, but good god! Tell me why I can't use a *modern* browser on a *new* machine to do something as simple as visit a website?
I also connected (via dial-up and my ol' Amiga [yes, I tried the windozen't machine first]) with my brother's machine in NYC from Mid Michigan to assist him with some 'puter problems he was having - worked out great! Got paid with some rather luscious chocolates.... :)
UPDATE: I CAN access the corporate website via OWA using IBrowse, but only if I remove the url specific settings and make the required settings global...
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Best browser is Explorer if you are competent and update your system with security patches often.
With Explorer you almost always get the best version of the homepage since it is the defacto standard for viewing homepages.
Had you done any web development recently you'd know that this is in fact untrue. Nowadays, most modern pages are XHTML with CSS for the actual layout. Internet Explorer does not follow the standards and all developers and tools have to work to work around the bugs and layout mistakes. IE6, the most used browser in the world, has quite an impressive list of long standing bugs that will never be fixed, since IE7 is out, and even IE7 does not render the Acid2 test correctly (at least it understands min-height and the PNG alpha channel). No, any decent web page nowadays is not designed for IE, it's correct CSS with IE workarounds. I build primary school websites (based on Microsoft technologies, mind you) and the building process we use is the following:
o Build for all browsers (KHTML, Gecko, Opera and any other decent browser).
o Add workarounds for Internet Explorer. The usual target is IE6 but with proper min-heights for IE7, since it understands that. Targeting IE7 directly is not currently an option, since IE6 does not display all pages correctly while IE7 renders all IE6 pages fine.
Explorer starts faster than Firefox.
I personally don't like Firefox and the startup time is quite an insignificant and silly thing to mention. Firefox and all Mozilla variants are just not snappy enough for my liking, I prefer KHTML browsers.
I am not enjoying the situation, just telling you how it is.
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I am on (yuck) dial-up service, but good god! Tell me why I can't use a *modern* browser on a *new* machine to do something as simple as visit a website?
Possibly because of default concurrent connection settings on the other browsers or a bad internet connection configuration on the other OSes.
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In this order on any OS, I'd use: Any KHTML browser (I currently use Safari), Camino (the fastest Gecko browser in my experience), IE7, Firefox, Opera, IE6, Mozilla.
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Chances are this is caused by bad Javascript. Given that few if any browsers warn developers about syntax erors, and simply plow ahead "fixing" things as they go, almost all the code on the Internet is broken. Chances are the developer only tested with one version of IE and nothing else.
IE is far from perfect, but it's not horrible. I have very few problems making CSS for it. Also, IE uses different rendering depending on what DOCTYPE you use. IE will use a much more standards-compliant rendering if you format the header correctly. It's assumed that if a web developer uses a proper DOCTYPE, they're serious about standards-compliance.
Funny how nobody complains about Firefox's horrible GUI problems. Copy/paste work intermittently, and my media buttons do not work at all, which makes browsing with Firefox a REAL pain. I prefer media keys to all that other gimmicky crap, like mouse gestures. It figures that Firefox would completely fail in this department, and has been faulty for YEARS. There's no need for a Linux-based browser to work properly on Windows.
AmiGR: even IE7 does not render the Acid2 test correctly (at least it understands min-height and the PNG alpha channel).
Nothing renders it properly except the unreleased Firefox alpha. Current versions of Firefox display a real mess. Don't yell at IE if nothing else works, either, including the endlessly-praised darling of the open source browser movement.
Do you really think the acid tests are designed to work with any closed-source browsers? It's hardly fair to test browsers with acid tests that do not support graceful degredation, either. Nothing shows at all? No kidding! That's because the code violates the whole reason for using HTML in the first place.
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AmiGR wrote:
In this order on any OS, I'd use: Any KHTML browser (I currently use Safari), Camino (the fastest Gecko browser in my experience), IE7, Firefox, Opera, IE6, Mozilla.
I'm assuming that we should all be in favor of the new potential KHTML browser sputnik for amiga OS then light,fast, modern browser!! Any updates on progress....demos, which systems and OS? :roll:
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IE is far from perfect, but it's not horrible.
It is not, it's just not "the best browser" the other guy wanted to claim it is,
I have very few problems making CSS for it. Also, IE uses different rendering depending on what DOCTYPE you use. IE will use a much more standards-compliant rendering if you format the header correctly. It's assumed that if a web developer uses a proper DOCTYPE, they're serious about standards-compliance.
We do use the DOCTYPE forcing it to strict mode. It just renders things differently regardless.
Funny how nobody complains about Firefox's horrible GUI problems. Copy/paste work intermittently, and my media buttons do not work at all, which makes browsing with Firefox a REAL pain. I prefer media keys to all that other gimmicky crap, like mouse gestures. It figures that Firefox would completely fail in this department, and has been faulty for YEARS. There's no need for a Linux-based browser to work properly on Windows.
I do, I never liked the Firefox GUI and behaviour and as I said earlier, it's just not snappy enough for me. People tend to use arguments like "it starts up slowly", which is quite laughable a problem in comparison.
Nothing renders it properly except the unreleased Firefox alpha. Current versions of Firefox display a real mess. Don't yell at IE if nothing else works, either, including the endlessly-praised darling of the open source browser movement.
Do you really think the acid tests are designed to work with any closed-source browsers?
Huh? It displays correctly on KHTML/Webcore after some Apple patches, Opera and iCab. That was looooong before Firefox betas got anywhere near rendering it correctly. Opera and iCab are not open source and Webcore is really a commercial effort on an open base (KHTML).
It's hardly fair to test browsers with acid tests that do not support graceful degredation, either. Nothing shows at all? No kidding! That's because the code violates the whole reason for using HTML in the first place.
Something always gets displayed, what that something is is the problem. Also, Acid2 *does* check how correctly the browser falls back. Read this (http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/guide/) for more info. It is pretty heavy in data URLs but it does include a version without them for browsers that do not support them (like IE6/7).