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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Seehund on February 22, 2007, 01:21:43 PM
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Since there's apparently still a small influx of newbies to Amiga fora (welcome!) who never heard of this despite my incessant nagging and whining all over the net, I just thought I'd post my usual triennial reminder. ;)
As predicted and as most should be able to see, AmigaOS is in a world of crap today. AmigaOS4 "and all future versions" can never be sold for meaningful and competitive hardware on a functioning market, and therefore will remain dead for all practical intents and purposes. This is unless Amiga, Inc's compulsory hardware licensing and bundling scheme (http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/041202-mcewen-cache.html) is cancelled.
If you agree with this, and do not wish to only be allowed to buy AmigaOS if it comes bundled with (nonexistent) "special" hardware sold through an AInc-licensed vendor, then please read and sign this petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/petition.html).
After this week-end, I will collate the petition data again and send it not only to AInc. like before, but also to AInc's VC investor. Those who have claimed to have been in contact with AInc management recently are encouraged to share any verified working AInc addresses; e-mail or snail-mail. Suggestions concerning additional recipients are also most welcome.
Why am I still going on about this and post this now?
Well, the Petitiononline.com people FINALLY decided to acknowledge my repeated requests to get access to my "new" administrative credentials there, after one year of me being unable to see the collected raw data. Pentti Kouri's name and contact means were divulged thanks to AInc ending up in court again. More than two hundred new petition signatures have been added since I sent the last batch to AInc. New ones seem to be added every time I post here with my sig.
I haven't been able to muster much energy and enthusiasm to spend on this for quite a while now, and I doubt that this will change. It's been 5 years, things look as bleak as ever, I can't be ar$ed. I do however think I have some sort of obligation to "newly" added signatories to also let their voices be heard as requested, and while I'm doing that I might as well post this reminder in case more would like to join.
Some apparently necessary notes:
The petition was written in 2002 and obviously contains some obsolete references. Yes, PPC went and died (for personal computers, at least), as did the Pegasos and POP. But please note that the petition's suggestions to drop the current licensing scheme are applicable to and essential to implement for all hardware, regardless of CPU architecture, and that Amiga Inc's current policy applies to "AmigaOS4 and all future versions".
Real names might carry more weight than online nicknames and handles do, it's up to you if you really wish to be an anonymous voice. I will not share your e-mail address with anyone, including AInc, without your explicit permission. The recipients only get your entered names and comments.
If you have already signed this, please don't sign it again! If you're unsure, and can't be bothered to search through 28 pages of signatures, please e-mail me at E AT MAIR DOT COM and I'll search the raw data for you. Also send an e-mail if you wish to delete or change your signature or your optional comment (enter a new signature and comment, then e-mail me and I'll remove the old ones).
To the remaining AInc fans, please note that it's a petition, not a chat room or a multiple choice poll. You only sign if you agree with the petition's message. You do not sign a petition if you disagree with it. Abuse will be deleted, but please spare me the hassle.
The URL again:
http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/
Introduction (old, but the things that matter are still true):
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/intro.html
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:horse:
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Signed... Doubt it will help though..
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Not sure how much longer this is going to go on for... but I will put this to perspective if people want the Amiga to be a major OS...
To appeal to the college average kid, it has to have a good web browser to do their homework/quizes online. They use Blackboard here for their grading system/online homework. The great thing about this is that you dont have to take some nasty pop quizes like they did back then. :)
A good word processor... Of course everyone needs to type up a paper, but im sure there can be a sufficient one for AmigaOS thats already available. No problem here.
Powerpoint..... Yes, Microsoft makes it, but its the only one that college kids get to really experience or the only media presentation maker they get to use, but this can be overcome by using something like Scala. :)
Games..... I cant stress this enough... If Amiga had World of warcraft, Unreal Tournament 2004 or Counter Strike, then Amiga would be widely used by many gamers....
I usually think to myself how the average person likes a PC, and for the most part, a majority only want it to keep family pictures... My friends as a whole dont give a rats @$$ what OS they got, as long as they can play World of Warcraft, Counter Strike, or Unreal Tournament 2004...
This would take too long.... But it would be nice to see AmigaOS in something, but as far as a home computer... probably not... It would be cool to see it ran on top of cell phones like a Razr. I think i read somewhere that you can replace the entire thing on a Razr and make it have your own GUI. Either way, Amiga has to play in something different.
I probably beat the horse till it shattered lol! :P
But hey, I am only helping from a college view is all. :D :-)
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(http://paradox.channelwood.org/deadhorse.jpg)
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No offense to Seehund - but sorry, none of those horses look dead enough:
Converted to link for the visually sensitive (http://www.kaukasus-kaleidoscope.com/images/deadhorse.jpg)
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Thats one SICK photo.
I bet you could not wait to put it on.
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@swift240,
Thats one SICK photo.
I bet you could not wait to put it on.
Better now?
Let it never be said that I can't compromise. :-)
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Thats better. :-)
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swift240 wrote:
Thats one SICK photo.
I bet you could not wait to put it on.
At the very least, that horse was burned to prevent it from rotting and spreading disease. I don't own any horses or livestock but I guess if one dies on your land and you have no way to get rid of it, burning it would be the most hygenic and responsible way of taking care of the problem.
Oh, and I did sign the petition a while back. I agree with it even though I think the petition is totally worthless and pointless and will have no effect on anything whatsoever.
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Ha ! I wondered what had happened to Seehund :-D
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@Seehund
Personally, I do not wish to see AmigaOS on anything but an Amiga. and By that I mean its ok if a new X86 Amiga OS was released, but it would have to b a custom chipset x86 box that it and only it alone can run AmigaOS.
I also would like to see a custom chipset original AmigaPDA both classic and X86 version of New Amiga chips if tht was invented.
Its the only way an Amiga will succeed. You cant compete with PC's and Windows with an AmigaOS alone....you need a Machine and the OS.
Many former Amiga companies are SLEEPING and allowing everything Microsoft to squash them..............one such company is SCALA Inc. They have the ultimate Presentation program.....and havent advertised correctly.........they are marketing as "Digital Signiage". I think they also need to market as a PowerPoint Beater. They need to overtake that market. but they have fallen asleep and dont realize what they got.............soon and very soon it will be too late and they will never beat PowerPoint, or up and coming Keynote from Apple which si being improved massively.
I think the only Company that can buy Amiga and make it good again is NEWTEK. hopefully they wont focus too much on their own agenda of Video Toasterizing it and marketing it that way.....cuz it will fail like that..........it has to be a Real Full blown Amiga NEXT GENERATION that can also accept the New NG Toaster made for it thats better than any Toaster out there for the PC.
anyways......lets see what happens.
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Tim and the gang have no interest in buying Amiga, they are doing great selling VT, Lightwave, Speededit and Tricaster, and likely will have some new cool things to show us at NAB and Siggraph this year.
-Tig
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@leirbag
Personally, I do not wish to see AmigaOS on anything but an Amiga. and By that I mean its ok if a new X86 Amiga OS was released, but it would have to b a custom chipset x86 box that it and only it alone can run AmigaOS.
So I take it you don't favour flawed VIA KT133 style hardware (AmigaOne) because it doesn't have a custom chipset? OR does the inclusion of a PPC already make it "custom" and "odd" enough for you? :-P
Its the only way an Amiga will succeed.
"Custom hardware"="the only way Amiga will succeed"? I don't even think the guys behind the OS4-effort still believe in this BS. Just look how "well" "Amiga" has proceeded since the choice for "custom hardware" was made. Billions of users!
Many former Amiga companies are SLEEPING and allowing everything Microsoft to squash them.
Oh, another case of Amiga Persecution Complex. (http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/A/Amiga-Persecution-Complex.html) Make sure to regularly take your medication.
anyways......lets see what happens.
Yeah, as always, something exciting is just around the corner, I know.
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One thing I have noticed with the Amiga scene: We can not agree on anything. Some never want to leave the old school platforms. Others are open to trying something anything.
I love my old Amigas. In their time they were great machines. They are still great machines, as so many things can still be done with them. And so many new things are still made for them.
Amiga, in order to be saved in any form, needs to have a workable OS that will run on standard x86 machines and equipment. Yes I know that would put it up against Gates and Linux. Yes I know this is not an original idea. But at least if it runs on standard, easily acquirable hardware, AmigaOS would stand a fighting chance to make a small dent in things.
This is an opinion of mine that I have formed over time. I know it is based on stuff I have heard. But it seems to make sense and the like.
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Starrunner wrote:
One thing I have noticed with the Amiga scene: We can not agree on anything. Some never want to leave the old school platforms.
I'm one of them. I love fixed architectures, such as old computers like the Apple ][, C64, Amiga and most gaming consoles.
As a programmer, there's nothing more predictable than these puppies. You know exactly how it will act if you do this and that, you know exactly how many cycles you have each frame, and there's no drivers to take account for. If it works on yours, it works on every single one.
I already have many PC's running Linux, Windows, BSD and whatnot. I have no interest in programming any other stuff on these than utilities. Games or demos are out of the question.
But, hey, that's me. I admit being an oldskool coder with a fetish for what I described above.
As I mentioned in another thread, I think the Amiga could make a retro-breakthrough with AmigaOS4 on Efika, bundled with WHDLoad and a digital joystick. Wrap it up in a cute case and sell it for $200, $300 tops. I'd buy two or three.
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HEY! WAKE UP!
Aros is already AmigaOS open sourced. Even if the desktop isn't 100% finished and the emulation layer isn't created:
* the Amiga philosophy
* the Amiga apis
* the Amiga structures
* the Amiga spirit
* the Amiga technology
is already maintained, expanded and cherished in AROS! Now if you really care, then join the AROS project, come to #aros on irc.freenode.net or forever hold your breath. All that you are writing I wrote with AmigaGlobe.com in 1998/9. Ten years later I've realized that Amiga Inc. is a joke (for years). And AROS will do you much better to follow and add your energy to.
m0ns00n
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m0ns00n wrote:
HEY! WAKE UP!
Aros is already AmigaOS open sourced. Even if the desktop isn't 100% finished and the emulation layer isn't created:
* the Amiga philosophy
* the Amiga apis
* the Amiga structures
* the Amiga spirit
* the Amiga technology
is already maintained, expanded and cherished in AROS! Now if you really care, then join the AROS project, come to #aros on irc.freenode.net or forever hold your breath. All that you are writing I wrote with AmigaGlobe.com in 1998/9. Ten years later I've realized that Amiga Inc. is a joke (for years). And AROS will do you much better to follow and add your energy to.
m0ns00n
Amen!
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@ All Who Worship AROS:
No offence, Ok its good and all, but eventually Amiga will die if everyone were to follow something that is totally free and only supported by particular type of people, and then in even a longer time period, there will be only mac and windows! Linux may stay around due to its older versions of linux always being obtainable to download for free!
SO
How the Edited by Argo: Profanity is Amiga ever going to make a come back if everypone remaining in the Amiga community follows AROS!!
THINK
About it, its no good, we may as well all sign the partition, get our friends to sign it, because they are our friends, get our whole families to sign it, just because they can, and see what happens.
AS
In the future, Amiga will rise with a serious attitude from followers, rather than day dreaming and ponding on something that is totally free, which will eventually die out any way when the AROS people are too old too continue, and there wont be anyone to take their place, as in future, no one will wont to do something for free
SO
I SUGGEST ALL OF YOU WAKE UP INSTEAD
While the rest of us signing this petition, are actually also getting our whole families involved to sign, and all of our friends and mates, who dont care if they sign it, but then, their signature will still help infleunce CHANGE!
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PLEASE
Save your pathetic freeware for the non business people who dont give a Edited by Argo : Profanity[\b] about Amiga's future, and Im talking about the platform only, ITS NOT THE PLATFORMS FAULT IF THEY HAVE BAD PEOPLE RUNNING IT!
But we all must bear with it, and grin with it, and try and pull the platform through!
Cheers!!
And have a fuken nice day! 8-) 8-)
Flame me, or do what ever, im only going to respond with BUGGER.
I havent forgotten about what I had said on these forums, and I meant it, all of it, except for the unknowledgable parts, but Ive gained much knowledge now!
HEY THATS AN IDEA:
Whay dont we give AROS to Amiga Inc, atleast funding will go towards the Amiga platform then. Or if not Amiga Inc, then who, Hyperion?? ACube??? Talk people!
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I honestly dont understand what you mean starke.. Why would aros have a bigger chance of failing when it is open source? i would believe it was the opposite? Having more people support aros could actually make it into a real alternative. The main problem with aros now is lack of software and drivers, which is due to the fact that it lacks users.
Aros is atleast not controlled by a single entity and thus it will be no problem porting it to a device as long as it has enough support and developers. Why OS4 has not been released yet, is actually due to it being controlled by Amiga INC and their refusal to do anything with it.
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OK
But my point still remains, if we all started supporting AROS, their are no funds going towards the Amiga platform in general, forget Amiga Inc for now, How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in, when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??
Also, what companies would bother making hardware for AROS??
The fact that AROS can run on normal PC hardware aside, where would this alternatively Leave the Amiga platform in future??
I'll tell you, for free, without a fee, NOWHERE!
SO
We must support Amiga Platform, regardless whos running it at the moment, So the more voices are heard, the better!
Cheers! 8-) 8-)
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@ All:
By the way, got four signatures already,
Probably have another ten by the end of tonight!
Cheers!!
Lets all get our families and friends involved.
8-) 8-)
Their voice could affect the future at large!
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Starke,
How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in,
Probably pretty much in the same way it has continued over the past several years.
when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??
You can't, but so what? That's natural selection. If nobody wants to support it, then why would that be a problem?
Also, what companies would bother making hardware for AROS??
No company needs to make hardware for AROS. That's the beauty of it, AROS isn't anchored to hardware. When you finally catch up on research of OS4 you'll find that is one of the primary reasons OS4 failed: it relied on someone providing the hardware.
The fact that AROS can run on normal PC hardware aside, where would this alternatively Leave the Amiga platform in future??
I'll tell you, for free, without a fee, NOWHERE!
How is paying a fee supposed to make a platform more attractive to your typical user?
We must support Amiga Platform, regardless whos running it at the moment,
Really? Why? What is the problem you're trying to solve, that AInc. isn't making any money? Who cares, AInc. doesn't have anything to do with the Amiga, they don't sell Amiga hardware, an Amiga OS, or even Amiga software. If you really want to support the Amiga, just go down to your local thrift store or flea market and pick up an Amiga, and use it. Or save a few bucks and use AROS.
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But my point still remains, if we all started supporting AROS, their are no funds going towards the Amiga platform in general, forget Amiga Inc for now, How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in, when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??
Because anyone can download the source code and go from there. Unlike what we see now as a badly flawed business model/plan from Amiga Inc, AROS doesn't need unrealistic numbers of paying end users to survive. If anything, your going to find some very level headed and realistic developers in AROS Developer's Community. AROS is not going to over take M$ nor Linux. It's building a community of folks who enjoy a simple OS that doesn't have a ton of headaches.
If AROS can become friendly with a OEM, that's great. If not, it's not going to be a loss either. There is no hoping, no wishing, no begging of a "highier authority" of a commercial entity to push AROS forward, it's community create and community driven. I realize that may a bit frightening some folks not to have a corp to play the role of your parent, but it's time to cut the umbilical cord.
Dammy
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Also, what companies would bother making hardware for AROS??
None.. But that is not just a negative thing. Aros team can actually pick any hardware that they want, be it x86, ppc or even port it to the classic amigas using old m68k or your pda.
AmigaOS on the other hand is locked to only one piece of hardware that is no longer in production.
How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in,
That is the wonders of open source.. The aros team does not expect to get paid. Though a donation here and there does not hurt.
when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??
If it has users and enough support, then there will always be someone who will code just like with linux. But it needs the support from the amiga community for that to continue.
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@Thomas:
Interesting,
you have your views here,
but yet at the same time your willing to support OS4 by signing the petition.
Either way thank you for supporting Amiga platform!!
Thumbs up to you, now get all you relatives involved, just to sign the petition, and we will be moving towards the light faster!
Cheers!
8-) 8-)
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@Dammy:
I respect the likes of Thomas and Jorkany, but here you are, Ok you may have some old school amigas, and maybe even emulator, or AROS itself, maybe MorphOS, But your real liking is the new MAC OX,
SO Please, keep off this merchandise!
Cheers!
If what i say is untrue, than by all means tell me what is the truth with you and your situation, without getting mad, nor abusing, nor flaming me, as I will not tolerate it any more from no one on here!
Cheers!!
P.S.That doesnt mean that I dont like some of your other viewpoints in the past!
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@ Jorkany:
No wonders Amiga platform is @@#$!@$!
No one on here gives a hoot.
I give hoot, dont polute and corrupt the minds of newbies on here, making them think, theres no point in supporting a platform, but rather freelancers like AROS, that one day will no longer exist, and in turn nor will Amiga because of it!
The fact that AROS can run on normal PC hardware aside, where would this alternatively Leave the Amiga platform in future??
(I was tring to indicate, nothing to do with paying, but that my words here are for free, duh!)
Jorkany
No company needs to make hardware for AROS. That's the beauty of it, AROS isn't anchored to hardware. When you finally catch up on research of OS4 you'll find that is one of the primary reasons OS4 failed: it relied on someone providing the hardware.
ME:
Thats just my point isnt it, what happens when AROS is no longer, by that time Amiga will not be around anymore either, because all of you decided to get something for free, instead of paying for it.
I geuss thats why the Amiga didnt make it to begin with, everyone was pirating, what a bunch!
WORLD:
Amiga's still in with a chance in recent times things are looking more positive than ever, so, will you be there for support, have you signed petition, or are you just like many of the others on here, a bunch of intelligent SNOBS, who keep to their old stuff, and dont want change, coz if you are, no wonders Amiga isnt getting anywhere, on their user base alone, not even looking into the Amiga itself, but just the users seem to be corrupted!
Anyway, Ive got two more signed up, making my tally, including me 6 more to the petition, in just 2 hours.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR OUR BELOVED PLATFORM??
8-) 8-)
Edited by Argo: Profanity, Please watch you language and take a good look at the posting guidelines.
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@ ALL:
WE NEED YOU,
SIGN THE PETITION AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE,
EVEN IF IN DOUBT, JUST SIGN IT, THE MORE THE BETTER,
THE FUTURE OF THE AMIGA PLATFORM DEPENDS ON IT!!
KIND REGARDS
AMIGA PEOPLE AND FOLLOWERS OF THE CRUSADE!
THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, AMIGA OS5 and OS6!
CHEERS!! 8-) 8-)
If you dont want Amiga platform to progress and come up with new things for the future, that you may want to retreive and use then:
You dont care about it, and thats wrong, hopefully you can still sleep at night!
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Where is that petition to close AI down? lol
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@TheMagicM:
TheMagicMother, how are ya?
Nice to know that you made it to being a moderator, especially with that negative comment, I geuss you havent signed the petition, so what makes us users know that your actually for Amiga, and not for Microsoft??
Wondering, you dont happen to work for Bill Gates also??
Cheers!!
Your Amigain!
Amiga stands for female friend, which is funny, as many Amigians arent female when they call themselves and Amigian! 8-) 8-)
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10 peole signed now from our part!
Mathew W
Matthew H
Phillip D(me)
Mary M
Shaun R
Brett V
Andrew V
Andrew L
Hans D(Uncle)
Michael M
For preferred reasons I cant give their last name here!
Cheers!! 8-) 8-)
AND
DONT FORGET TO DO YOUR PART!
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I signed it, but I doubt anything will come of it. AI doesn't seem to want to listen to the community. Frankly I have more faith in AROS than I do "Amiga."
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@ All:
Well, maybe if we managed to have 10,000 or 50,000 to sign the petition, they would see a need to listen!
Cheers!!
AND DO YOUR PART! Sign The petition, Amiga Platforms future depends on it.
Get everyone to know to sign it, even if they dont know what Amiga is, they may sign it for you, if they care for you, then they'll sign it, and numbers count!
Cheers again!! 8-) 8-)
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by Starke on 2007/2/22 20:24:25
@Dammy:
I respect the likes of Thomas and Jorkany, but here you are, Ok you may have some old school amigas, and maybe even emulator, or AROS itself, maybe MorphOS, But your real liking is the new MAC OX,
What are you doing? Smoking meth before posting or just pulling this crap out of your arse? Even if your just pulling this crap out of your arse, you doing a mightly poor job of it. MAC OX? What is that? You can't possible mean Mac OS-X? Why on Earth are you going on about other OSs that I have no interest in?
SO Please, keep off this merchandise!
Your delusional if you think any of the AROS, or UAE, or clasic AOS or MOS folks are going to pull up anchor and go sail away. We are here, learn to love us.
Cheers!
If what i say is untrue, than by all means tell me what is the truth with you and your situation, without getting mad, nor abusing, nor flaming me, as I will not tolerate it any more from no one on here!
After your last post to me, your getting what you deserve. I can't help it if you do not like the dish of reality I'm serving you. It's the truth and no matter how much it crushes your little world, it's still the truth. Guess what really scares you, it is a Community driven OS and that means it has popular support which you think should be going to the Great Amiga Inc instead? That's it, isn't it?
Dammy
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@Dammy:
Not true, its just when you made your negative comment, it sounded like you werent in support of the Amiga platform, but rather knocking it.
Now that youve told me your world, I see we arent that far apart from one another, the only
MAJOR
Difference being, you know how to word your sentences well, whereas try as I may, I probably do not word them correctly.
Either way, Soon I'll have about 20 people signed, and many more coming.
If you really love Amiga as much as you say, you'd be doing what I and many others are doing also, getting their friends and family to sign the petition, I mean, it aint going to change their lives, but it may change ours!
Cheers!!
8-) 8-)
And dont you ever talk about me, you dont know nothing about me man, get to know me first. I just think those who dont support the petition, are now as smart as they'd like to be!
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First of all, i'm sure the SAM440 will support OS4, and i'm very positive about that particular board. Just give it time, people! (and i don't mean in a "2 more weeks™" kind of way!).
Second, AROS is a great platform, with great goals. If it would contain a decent 68k emulation layer, like MOS and OS4 does, i would even concider using it. But for now, it's not usable full-time in a desktop/laptop system. Merely a "fun" OS.
And remember, there's always the EFIKA. It will be MOS-powered soon.
For the rest, stop :horse: and enjoy what you already have!
Regards,
Steve
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First of all, i'm sure the SAM440 will support OS4, and i'm very positive about that particular board.
The question is not if SAM440 will support OS4, but if OS4 will (legally) support SAM440.
So far all attempts to get a license from Amiga Inc. have failed and the (now dead) Eyetech is the only "company" legally able to sell hardware with OS4. What are the reasons for ACK gone silent? I doubt that it's only technical problems, they might also have just given getting a license.
But I agree, the SAM is the most promising of all "new hardware efforts". Troika's Amy'05 is just laughable compared to it.
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Somebody get rid of this guy.
Please.
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This is such an nice effort! Very good to see people wanting things to happend! I love it!.. and everyone on this site should sign up!
The wave of wanting Amiga to become alive again should consern everybody.. Help out the community! :) Let`s fight until the end!
Regards,
Michal
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@starke:
Can you please stop double/triple/quadruple posting and go on a holiday or something? Seriously man, after a month of boring us and 300+ posts WE GET YOUR POINT. No need to explain over and over again that we must dedicate our lives to save the Amiga.
On topic again: I also signed the petition, although I doubt that it will do any good. I only did it because I like the Amiga, both in classic form as well as more modern derivates (both software and hardware: AROS, MorhpOS, AmigaOne, Pegasos) and I would like to see AOS4 come alive to some extent (on whichever platform, as long as the hardware is in production, and not only available on Ebay, or otherwise used/NOS).
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I've signed as well, you never know...
:-D
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Seriously man, after a month of boring us and 300+ posts WE GET YOUR POINT.
The point that he's a troll? 8-)
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jorkany wrote:
No offense to Seehund - but sorry, none of those horses look dead enough:
Converted to link for the visually sensitive (http://www.kaukasus-kaleidoscope.com/images/deadhorse.jpg)
LOL! B... bu... but that one's obviously still warm! Hurry! Beat it! Beat it harder!
(No offence taken, keep the new dead horsies coming! The usual old GIF anims are starting to smell.)
@Starke:
For f-ck's sake, man! Have you READ and UNDERSTOOD what you're signing? It's not even about "bringing back the Amiga", it's about how AmigaOS is supposed to be made available for 3rd party hardware. And I hope you're not signing on behalf of others without their express consent.
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TheMagicM wrote:
Where is that petition to close AI down? lol
I believe that would be a couple of class actions from AInc's defrauded victims. :) Though they generally seem to be asking for more.
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(http://koft.net/pix/dh.gif)
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starke:
http://koft.net/pix/starke.jpg
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(http://koft.net/pix/dh.gif)
LOL! That picture is just too funny. :-)
But yea.... I never really was in a hurry to get OS4 anywhere, but the last time I tried AROS, i was really impressed. :-)
I hope for that to be developed even more in the future! :)
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I believe that would be a couple of class actions from AInc's defrauded victims. :) Though they generally seem to be asking for more.
Forget it, there isn't anywhere near enough money for lawyers to be interested in a class action lawsuit on behalf of defrauded Amiga Inc customers. Had Amiga Inc customers complained to the US Government's agencies in a reasonable time period, then they could get some type of relief.
I'm still a bit fuzzy on all this fuss about OS4 when Amiga Inc has announced it's moving along to OS5 which will support x86.
Dammy
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Yes OS5 so the story goes. But why believe one story to be true when most of the shyte that comes from AINC is just that.
I wish it were true. I really do.. And I wish people would stop flogging that poor horse..
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but yet at the same time your willing to support OS4 by signing the petition.
Of course.. I wish to see OS4 succeed, but my expectations of that happening is sadly low at the moment due to the lack of hardware.
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the problem is the same . . . .
without a good retail company distributor (mediaworld o other)
without a standard new amiga , there is no market.
we need a standard official Amiga with lot of features, at low cost , so developers can invest if sell almost 1 million of pieces.
PETRO come Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
( the only man capable for amiga business)
Tigger wrote:
Tim and the gang have no interest in buying Amiga, they are doing great selling VT, Lightwave, Speededit and Tricaster, and likely will have some new cool things to show us at NAB and Siggraph this year.
-Tig
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the only support OS4 by signing the petition can be, a mutual fund ( 1 billions of dollars) that will buy all amiga trademarks and build a standard new amiga.
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Yes OS5 so the story goes. But why believe one story to be true when most of the shyte that comes from AINC is just that.
Oh, I agree with you, but my message is not to those unbelievers like us, it's to the AI believers. They think AI is their only savior in this void, yet they continue to yap about OS4 when they should be pushing for OS5, if they are going to be consistant. The only reason for AI to publically talk about OS5 is because they know the grave condition of OS4 and want to put it behind them. Why am I not seeing this on the web boards? :devildance:
Dammy
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@dammy
Just looking at their website will be enough proof that they do not care a {bleep} about AmigaOS4 or the classic. They have not even bothered to update the information about OS4!
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@Seehund
Aint 1500 signatures quite pathetic?
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ematech wrote:
PETRO come Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
( the only man capable for amiga business)
Hear, hear. At least he was able to give us lots of different Amiga branded hardware! Antenna balls, watches, mugs, buttons, pens etc etc. Those were the days. :-(
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guys whats to talk about? sign it or don't and NO 1500 is not pathertic, considering how tiny and pathetic the amiga comunity is.
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itix wrote:
@Seehund
Aint 1500 signatures quite pathetic?
200+ or so just in one day pathetic considering that it was only posted on a couple of amiga forums? I dont think so..
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itix wrote:
@Seehund
Aint 1500 signatures quite pathetic?
that's about the number of people globally interested in amiga inc's current products :-)
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I have to do it:
Can't we all just get along? You Burt Bacharach has that song, 'What the World Needs Now'
Sigh...If we could only put all this energy into doing something with Amiga in some form. Then we would possibly have something. But in the end we could all say we tried and did our best.
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Problem is, many don't see that AROS _is_ this effort. The Amiga users owning their platform. What some don't see is that helping the scoundrals who currently own Amiga is counter productive, while a "take the matter in your own hands" initiative like AROS was started a decade ago. Perhaps those who hate or deny the success of AROS just are too proud, and can't leave their pride behind cuz they invested too much of their private time in it.
The main point with AROS is that it's for people who are tired of gambling with their future investments in money and time. AROS won't go belly-up anytime soon, as it is controlled by idealism not money. And those who think that money will free the world - well, they need to take another look at the world, or join scientology. =)
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Problem is, many don't see that AROS _is_ this effort.
I see it as a HUGE effort, honestly. Only thing what might keep some from honouring the effort appropriately is that AROS still can't keep them (non-Coder's) busy for a longer period of time. AROS is _nice_ but it still doesn't feel "cozy". Yes, Lunapaint _is_ a great app and there would be many others to mention, but my point is that I only think that many will switch to AROS once it has a proper browser.
Another possibility is that the horse is not only rotting and smelling, but completely turned to dust. Otherwise the majority of Amigans will keep on clinging to some odd hope. After all, that's what they did the last 13 years. :lol:
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Can't we all just get along? You Burt Bacharach has that song, 'What the World Needs Now'
But even Burt split up with Hal David.
Nothing wrong with robust debate, as long as everybody chips in when someone has a techie question. Which they do.
Viva la difference.
;-)
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I still think eventually if everyone did support AROS that there will no longer be Amiga OS's or anything Amiga period, so Im against the idea!
There's nothing stopping one company from picking AROS up...
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@sir_inferno:
Not true, firstly, this is only posted on two forums.
Secondly, there are many that are interested, but they may not agree to the petition!
Thirdly, did you sign it???
Fourthly, assuming you singed it, get all your friends and family to sign it also, just because they care about you!
Cheers!!
And lets get the numbers up! 8-) 8-)
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@Pixie:
Now thats the best suggestion Ive heard/over about AROS!
Good on you!!
Portugal man huh, well, no wonders your mind has so much clarity!
Cheers!! 8-) :roll: :-P :-) :-D :-o
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@Starke
Did you already buy an A2000 from RetroGeek? He's selling only top-quality milspec hardware. :-D
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@itix
Aint 1500 signatures quite pathetic?
isn't that the current number of A1 users?
or the number of MorphOS users?
The number of signatures is proportional to the size of the community interested in AmigaOS (and similar systems).
@AROS haters
AROS is OK, the only thing it lacks is 680x0 compatibility. The problem is that some loonies think that double clicking an adf and launching UAE is the same than launching IBrowse and using your native x86 datatypes, your native x86 tcp/ip stack, your native Zune, etc...
A big-endian AROS for x86 running on top of Linux (like amithlon did) would be the best solution since AROS (or any AmigaOS or AmigaOS clone) won't be able to compete with mainstream OSes like Linux/Windows/OSX and the performance hit wouldn't be too big. If AROS ran my PPC and 68k binaries I wouldn't care that it run at 50% the speed of a little endian AROS. Since AROS has no apps compared to AmigaOS3 and AmigaOS4/MorphOS/OS3/OS4 are just hobby systems, the most important thing for me is compatibility.
The ones that are seeking a revolutionary OS in AROS have choose a difficult starting point... why choose an OS3.x API and restrict yourself to a mono-user single memory space non-posix API? Linux or BSD kernels are far more powerful.
Classic Amiga is just a hobby now. OS4 is just a hobby. MOS is just a hobby. AROS is just a hobby. Enjoy your hobby and don't care about what other people do.
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The problem with AROS is that it's trying to clone what OS3.1 did and improve it. That's OK if you want to port old Amiga software to new hardware, but there's not an overwhelming amount of open-source Amiga software to go around, and few people know (or like) to work with and around the Amiga's old limitations.
The only realistic solution is to start with a brand new OS and make it work like an Amiga.
Unfortunately, everything I've seen so far is either too dependent on Linux (bash and X-Windows are the first things running), or they are too focused on technology and not function, so the whole graphics system may be rewritten, but all the shell commands and GUI menus work like a Linux system. Linux people know nothing about proper interface design.
Isn't anyone really interested in experimenting, anymore? Don't people want to fix major limitations with existing OSes, like the lack of standard text encoding and filesystem-based networking, so we no longer need FTP? The Amiga desktop philosophy is largely distant from all these technical quibbles.
Syllable looks promising as far as an Amiga clone is concerned, but the GUI is pretty awful, and their design goals are unabashedly indescript. They're trying too hard to make it simple and they're not focused on solving real problems -- much like AROS and OS4.
Edit: Oh yeah, I just tried the latest LiveCD of Syllable. I still won't boot even in SAFE MODE. All I get is a Blue Screen of Perpetual Loading, constantly barfing out heap expansion errors. I guess it's a good thing it's hard-coded in x86 assembler, huh?
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@TheMagicM:
TheMagicMother, how are ya?
Nice to know that you made it to being a moderator, especially with that negative comment, I geuss you havent signed the petition, so what makes us users know that your actually for Amiga, and not for Microsoft??
@Stork:
Its not negative, its reality. It hasnt hit you yet. Just a FYI, the x86 based PC has broken the 100mhz barrier many years ago. Just because I'm a moderator doesnt mean I have to be a backer of Amiga Inc.
..anyway..back to drag racing..
-Alex
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by Waccoon on 2007/2/25 21:45:28
The problem with AROS is that it's trying to clone what OS3.1 did and improve it. That's OK if you want to port old Amiga software to new hardware, but there's not an overwhelming amount of open-source Amiga software to go around, and few people know (or like) to work with and around the Amiga's old limitations.
Give it till end of this summer and then compare it again. Dr. Schulz's current projects should have some very interesting impact on AROS' future capabilities.
Dammy
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The day will come when Starke goes to log into his a org account, and find's that he is unable to post.
I can't wait for that to happen.
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I cant beleive how much bickering there is on these forums ! I swear its like a script for grumpiest old men !!!!
:crazy:
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itix wrote:
@Seehund
Aint 1500 signatures quite pathetic?
Yes, I think it is, because I think it speaks of the small size of the current community. I don't think that any significant portion of "outsiders" that also might be interested in buying AmigaOS will bother familiarising themselves with issues like these and sign petitions.
OTOH, disregarding absolute numbers, imagine if more people than the entire existing Mac userbase signed a petition with IMO quite reasonable and easy to meet demands to Apple. Would Jobs ignore it?
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Seehund: I keep watching that bananna..one day he's going to get stepped on..lol