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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: AmigaNow on February 15, 2007, 11:26:17 PM
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Here is my wish list of programs to be ported to the Amiga.
The important ones come to mind:
FireFox browser http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/
Open Office http://www.openoffice.org/
Daz Studio http://www.daz3d.com/
wxWidgets http://www.wxwidgets.org/
Dev-C++ http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html/
With FireFox, we can surf the net easier. :-D
With Open Office, we would have pc compat. spreadsheet, database, etc
With Daz Studio, we would have an excellant 3D rendering package like Poser.
With wxWidgets, we would have a cross platform compiler set that would allow easier porting of numerous programs to the Amiga!
With Dev-C++, we would have an excellant easy to use Compiler.
Anyone think of anything else? I know there is currently a bounty of around $10,000 US on Firefox ported to Amiga!
Thanks,
JS
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Don't read this post wrong, I'm not saying you're stupid or anything of the sort, I'm just giving my point of view.
Believe me, I can understand why you want FireFox. But, I'd much prefer a more functional IBrowse!
We already have PC compatible spreadsheet, database, etc, with some really nice programs, much nicer than a slow ported program.
Ports are a good way to bridge the gap when genuine Amiga programs are not available, but genuine Amiga programs always end up being better than the ports. I have a Sparcstation next to my Amiga, if I really need to run Unix software that bad, which I don't, I'll do that.
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No offense taken. I would be extremely happy if the IBrowse team would include some of the things from FireFox and would purchase it in a minute. Same as for an Amiga original Open Office type program. But since the sourcecode is available, and could be ported, I don't see a reason it wouldn't benefit our community to have more programs on the Amiga.
By means of porting, I do mean to take the code and make it Amiga, not just simply porting "bloated code". wxWidgets for example has actual code targeted for the specific platform you are using so it is quite fast. The resulting GUI would be exactly Amiga, but have the standard wxWidgets way of programming it. Thus a single program could be compiled as IBM, Linux, Mac, or even Amiga. Then any wxWidget developer could easily offer an Amiga port when they compile the other ones...
BTW, wasn't AmigaAmp a port of WinAmp?
Thanks,
JS
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I was pondering that question when I read your first post. I don't remember if it was an actual port, or just meant to look the same. I do know that a lot of corrupt MP3s that don't play at all in WinAmp play just fine in AmigaAmp, until the latest version of AmigaAmp.
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I know there is currently a bounty of around $10,000 US on Firefox ported to Amiga!
It's a joke!
Do you realise how difficult it would be to port that software to the Amiga?
I don't realise why people want this kind of software on the Amiga. I don't mean there's anything wrong with the software, but I'm running much of it on my Linux machine? Why not do the same?
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Here is my wishlist:
-InternetExplorer 7
-Microsoft Office 2007
-Adobe Photoshop CS2/Imageready
-Dreamweaver
-ACDsee classic
-Outlook Express
-Nero
-Winamp
-MSN Live
... the list could go on but that would be a great start!
:-D
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cv643d wrote:
Here is my wishlist:
-InternetExplorer 7
-Microsoft Office 2007
-Adobe Photoshop CS2/Imageready
-Dreamweaver
-ACDsee classic
-Outlook Express
-Nero
-Winamp
-MSN Live
... the list could go on but that would be a great start!
:-D
All I can say to that list is WTF? Things like Photoshop might be nice, but MSN and IE?
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Re Dev C++
There is the AmiDevCPP cross compiler ;-)
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I don't want to burst anybody's bubble here, but great as firefox is from the end user experience, it's horribly resource hungry and crawls on machines with far more horsepower than any genuine 68K amiga has available.
The same is true of open office and a lot of other things on the list. When the Open Source guys start projects like this, they are typically aiming at mainstream systems, not decades old machines that have a tiny fraction of the horsepower available.
There's nothing directly stopping anybody from porting these apps - they might have to design and implement entire layers of library code first to provide some of the foundations required, but it could be done. However, when the end result is an application that runs slower than running windows 95 in PCx, who is going to bother?
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To see what I mean, find an old pentium 60, with an ISA graphics card (if possible, you don't want to have your results all skewed by having genuine CPU -> PCI performance that no existing 68K amiga PCI solution offers), build a linux or OpenBSD distribution for it (the lighter weight the better) and then see about building Firefox or openoffice (any version) on that.
You'll then get an idea of what a top-end 68060 with RTG would be like...
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There's nothing wrong, of course, in porting said open source packages to OS4 / MorphOS. Classic PPC users might well find them sluggish though.
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@v643d
Here is my wishlist:
-InternetExplorer 7
What.... why? No thank you!
-Microsoft Office 2007
No thanks, Open Office, AbiWord or anything other than that thanks!
-Outlook Express
You really are a glutton for punishment aren't you? Why on earth would you want the worse e-mail client on ANY platform ported to the Amiga?
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@Karlos
it's horribly resource hungry and crawls on machines with far more horsepower than any genuine 68K amiga has available
Who said anything about 68k machines, I assumed he was wanting to run these apps on PPC OS4 or maybe MorphOS?
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If we're speaking of running these applications on Amigas, I agree, 68k versions would be pointless, only PPC native ones would have sense. It might be interesting for those using Amithlon/WinUAE, though.
Varthall
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sicky wrote:
@Karlos
it's horribly resource hungry and crawls on machines with far more horsepower than any genuine 68K amiga has available
Who said anything about 68k machines, I assumed he was wanting to run these apps on PPC OS4 or maybe MorphOS?
Where did he say that? Have a look at each of the wishlist poster's signatures. Any OS4 or MOS machines there?
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@Varthall
If we're speaking of running these applications on Amigas, I agree, 68k versions would be pointless, only PPC native ones would have sense.
That was what I was pointing out, a 68k original Amiga wouldn't have the power to run such applications.
It might be interesting for those using Amithlon/WinUAE, though.
Yes agreed, here I have a PC running Amithlon sitting next to my G5 iMac and I must say that the Amithlon machine is very fast indeed. Makes me wonder what OS4 would be like if it were similar to Amithlon running on PC hardware? When Amithlon first came out I thought it was the right direction to go.....
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New Shell process 4
4.Work:> Port Internet: to Amiga: all FORCE noixemul
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You can want whatever you like, but the fact is the apps don't just go port themselves. The $10k Mozilla bounty (it's Mozilla, not Firefox) has been there for ages now, and nothing has happened. This goes to show that such small amount of money is not going to be enough to take on such a giant project. Make that 10x and then it might happen, assuming skilled enough coders are still around and interested. Even at $100k it'd be a bargain, considering the work hours required.
AmiZilla Update 31/8/06 (http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/press_release_31.8.06.html)
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My intention is to purchase an AmigaNG, such as Sam or Moana. Or if I could get an A1200 w/ PPC accelerator cheap enough. :-D
I agree, these programs should be targeted for the newer machines. But also I would think that some of the code could be re-written to optimize, making it faster.
As for using these programs on Linux, I would prefer not to have to dual boot. Prefer AmigaOS...
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AmiDev-C++ runs on the PC. Nice, but I'd rather have an Amiga hosted port.
My goal in this thread is to eliminate the PC or Linux from daily use and only use Amiga.
BTW, if an Amiga program is similar and better, I'd prefer that. Commercial, shareware or freeware.
Example: Dev-C++ or ? I seem to recall something about CubeIDE or something.
Is there an office type suite made already for Amiga that not everyone is aware of?
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I bet everyone who complained runs Windows MSN and Office2007. But it is so cool to have this internet-personality ala 1997 "I hate M$ I am so cool OMFG WTF LOL". Wake up it is not 1997, it is 2007.
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I don't use MSN, but I use Office every day. OpenOffice and Abiword are decent for free offerings, but they don't match up at all when it comes to professional use.
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I do not hate M$, it presently allows me to have an Amiga. (WinUAE + AmiKit). All props to the creators! :bow:
As I am able to play games fom the classic Amiga, I will also keep a pc for games that will never be available for Amiga.
Since it is overclocked, my cooling fans make enough noise that it sounds like a jet taking off. That's why I would prefer to use a newer Amiga as it will be fast enough AND quiet! :-D
BTW, there is a M$ replacement in development called ReactOS. Looks promising... http://www.reactos.org/
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how about for 68k machines...
Something like
MS Office 95 Pro/Lotus Ami Pro etc
IE v5/Netscape 5.
those two programs run ok on low end hardware (I should know I put them on P1 laptops I sell for peanuts)
Funny thing is OpenOffice is a helluva lot slower than MS Office 2002/XP Pro I find aswell but anyway whatever is written would be best targeted @ OS4 IMO too.
As for what I would like, would be nice if something like Colin Mcrea 3 or the WRC games from the PS2 were ported, with a decent graphics card and an 800mhz processor surely this is possible with some tight coding (the PC version of CMR 3 was horribly inefficient and unoptimised bah!)