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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: sdyates on February 15, 2007, 04:02:10 PM
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Seriously folks, there was nothign trolling about the first topic for those who choose to read the message and the article. If some choose to get upset, then deal witht hem.
I foudn the story humourous and thought that perhaps someone had pissed on the guys cornflakes sometime back in collgeg.
I own a Mac, Amiga 3000, 2000 and 500, Wintel 03 server and Xp box. They all get along ;)
Closing the other thread is a little bit drastic. Of course, I find humour in a lot of things and try not to take life too seriously.
I also agree that OS ten is very much what I would expect the Amiga to be today if it was still in production. And with Apple TV, the ipod and such, it does nto seem to much different than what metabox and Amiga had said they wanted to do.
At least someone was willing to listen to the Amiga's many features and carry on the tourch -- at least that is how I feel. I still sadens me when I read old articles or watch old commercials and shows... it was so far ahead of its time!
PS -- pardon my spelling
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I hate Mac II's also. Good riddance! :-P
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LOL -- be careful, you'll invite the sensors back ;)
So much for trying to prove my point ;)
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But the key to anything is timing!
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I have absolutely no problem with the closure. I applause it.
Granted my opinion might not have much to do with my feelings about Mac...
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The article was written by someone who obviously felt a bit threatened by the Mac for reasons that escape me. It was poorly researched and just there to get a rise out of people, which it did to some extent.
Mac has a 5% share of the market so I doubt it's ever going to be any threat to the PC anytime soon. In some ways I'm glad it's a niche product. Keeps the hackers elsewhere. Plus you get that pride and loyalty that reminds me of the loyalty I had to Commodore before they went bust and left me with a brand new CD32 with no future.
The fate of Commodore and the Amiga are so closely entwined with Apple. Commodore had a chance to buy Apple at one point and then Apple had a chance to buy Commodore and the Amiga at a later date. Where would we be today if either had happened?
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dito! but you must admit the new macs on the latest osX are far superior than anything previously www.apple.com/startpage checkout the world wide keynote address :-?
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@Chubbyrain
I hate to admit it, but if Commodore had bought Apple, it would have been the end of all of them. But, I strongly believe that Apple having bought Commodore would have served us all well. Steve is a savvy business guy with some great ideas.
There is nothing wrong with a niche market, which is much where we are today. I wonder how much we can grow if we get OS4 to run on new hardware. I am still very much interested.
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Your right. it's been a decade! the industry isn't the same since then. already there are talks of A0s5-6...it's good so long as they bring the platform with them! too much legalities and finance issue.
Are there enough amiga users world wide anyway. I know not in the US! :pissed:
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I think it will take a brave soul to donate Amiga to GNU for free development.
Amiga Inc does not have any deliverables in ten years. It's hard to imagine they will do much more in ten more. However,t his year there appears to be several motherboards wanting an OS and of course the great work being done by the guy responsible for X-surf -- the name eludes me for now.
Amiga users are falling off because old hardware is dying out and there is no new hardware. I would not worry about the lack of users, it is the lack of results from Amiga Inc that is our biggest concern. Look at what Amiga Forever has done ont he emulation front! Imagine if the OS development was not tied up!
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zyphoid wrote:
dito! but you must admit the new macs on the latest osX are far superior than anything previously www.apple.com/startpage checkout the world wide keynote address :-?
Macworld San Francisco 2007 Keynote?
Gallery here: http://pix.blakespot.com/view/events/mwsf_2007/
blakespot
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Couldnt my original post have been this simple, without having the wrong type of people in it at all.
That aside, back to my comment:
Yes, the new Mac OSx is good, but, I still believe we(Amiga) would have had it better if they hadnt gone bankrupt!
That also aside, just in case many of you havent seen a part of OS4, heres a nice link displaying screens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWmMSPJZprQ
This clip inspires me even more, and fuels me also.
But hey, that doesnt mean that I am Biased, Ive done work on Macs before, played on them, and Ive even used my friends laptop, and there is one thing that is good about them,
They make me relaxed when I use them, as if I suddenly have all the time in the world, but the Amiga still does it better for me in this department!
Anyway, for those who havent seen that you tube clip, enjoy!
And if youd like you can comment on it.
Cheers!!
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Starke,
Yes, the new Mac OSx is good, but, I still believe would have had it better if they hadnt gone bankrupt!
I'm sorry to have to let you in on this, but turns out Apple hasn't quite gone bankrupt yet. In fact it doesn't even look like they're headed in that general direction.
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@Jorkany:
My apologies, I meant Amiga wouldve had it better if they hadnt gone bankrupt. Althoug, Amiga may still do very well in future, as many future plans are making the production phase!
cheers 8-)
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I don't think that restarting this thread was such a good idea. It's bound to escalate into a flame war once again. Everyone has a biased opinion, one way or the other, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, 'cause Apple has nothing to do with the Amiga and never will.
The fact that there is no new hardware or new software on the Amiga has forced everyone to look for another home. Some people found it on the Mac, others on Windows, others on Linux, others on ... and others are still looking around.
Although I feel the need to reply to some of the posts in this thread, I'm not going to because frankly it is utterly pointless. This is an Amiga website not an Apple website, regardless of what each of us feels about Apple.
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Starke wrote:
Couldnt my original post have been this simple, without having the wrong type of people in it at all.
That aside, back to my comment:
Yes, the new Mac OSx is good, but, I still believe we(Amiga) would have had it better if they hadnt gone bankrupt!
That also aside, just in case many of you havent seen a part of OS4, heres a nice link displaying screens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWmMSPJZprQ
now i get what you meant about having the wrong type of people on this thread! alenppc quote
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_dd2DOZkGQ
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mlgqknkQYw&mode=related&search=
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Anybody who remembers my posts from over a year ago when I had to work with OSX running on macs will know I had nothing but loathing for them.
That view, however, was from the perspective of a developer forced by an unrelenting mac fanatic boss to use a basic G4 eMac when the specific application was clearly best suited to an x86 running linux. Problems were encountered that were all but intractable under OSX 10.3 Server that just about any linux distribution you can think of would handle without problems.
For basic home users that don't have certain developer expectations "out of the box", OSX 10.4 on a Core Duo class mac is going to blow themn away. It's fast, has lots of snazzy eyecandy effects (for those that rate such things as important), robust and pretty much does everything you could want a home system to do without any remotely complicated setup required.
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Karlos wrote:
Anybody who remembers my posts from over a year ago when I had to work with OSX running on macs will know I had nothing but loathing for them.
That view, however, was from the perspective of a developer forced by an unrelenting mac fanatic boss to use a basic G4 eMac when the specific application was clearly best suited to an x86 running linux. Problems were encountered that were all but intractable under OSX 10.3 Server that just about any linux distribution you can think of would handle without problems.
Yeah, but OSX 10.3 was absolutely awful... It wasn't until I tried OSX 10.4 that I actually realised I could live with a Mac... And then actually love one :-)
Also OS X on a G4 is not a pleasurable experience by any margin... you need at least two CPU's (OSX is VERY heavily threaded) and a G5 or intel Core cpu to really see what it capable of.
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I had to use OSX10.2 on a G3 mac for a while. That was agonizing.
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Matt, I'm not telling you again mate. Take that mac notebook, record your voice and send it to voicesofaorg ;-)
Do it, or you will incurr my extreme displeasure :lol:
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Karlos wrote:
I had to use OSX10.2 on a G3 mac for a while. That was agonizing.
Now that was a truely terrible operating system!!! Serving no otherfuntion than hogging resources and reducing your machine to a pretty brick...
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Matt, I'm not telling you again mate. Take that mac notebook, record your voice and send it to voicesofaorg ;-)
Do it, or you will incurr my extreme displeasure :lol:
Oh? what's voicesofaorg? hmmm... I'll do it for you ;-)
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@Matt
see here (http://voicesofaorg.extropia.co.uk/)
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Karlos wrote:
@Matt
see here (http://voicesofaorg.extropia.co.uk/)
Jup, found it :-)
Isn't this a bit retro? My MBP has a built in webcam you know... I could record a video :idea:
Hahahahah... You sound northern :-D
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Hahahahah... You sound northern
You don't say ;-)
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Reload the page.
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@alenppc
Well, that's the beauty, many of us see the correlation. Many Amiga owners went to Mac because it offered us much of what the Amiga had and was going and that the wintel did nto have and may never have. This site iis Amga centric, but far from baning non-amiga topics. I think it provides us depth and shows we have other interests, even at our local Amiga club, we still talk about other topics. Look at the amount of conversations we have on PS3, Xbox, PC and the like. Some could argue that we cut down those topics, but why. When we have more news, we will want to talk about that news.
@Starke
Commodore going bankrupt was inevitable considering management was getting worse and not better. However, if only they had filed for chapter 11 -- then someone could have bought them like apple -- which would have made more sense than letting a company like gateway get in there.
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sdyates wrote:
@alenppc
Well, that's the beauty, many of us see the correlation. Many Amiga owners went to Mac because it offered us much of what the Amiga had and was going and that the wintel did nto have and may never have. This site iis Amga centric, but far from baning non-amiga topics. I think it provides us depth and shows we have other interests, even at our local Amiga club, we still talk about other topics. Look at the amount of conversations we have on PS3, Xbox, PC and the like. Some could argue that we cut down those topics, but why. When we have more news, we will want to talk about that news.
Additional; Most of us here are involved with the Next Gen AmigaOS projects... AROS, MOS and AOS4... for these projects to grow and be useful, we need to see the Amiga's faults and places where other systems have improved ideas.
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When I got into Amiga computers in the early 90s whilst in high school, I had an extreme dislike of the Mac. What it was based on I can not remember at this point.
Over the years, I grew a brain stem and realised that each platform has it's uses and what it is good for.
I wish that Commodore had never went away. I have a small video business with a friend. I would've loved seeing that business running Amigas, just like the ones I worked with in high school at the local cable station.
Instead I wound up, as I had in my personal Life after the death of my A3000, working on PCs.
At the beginning I said I hated Macs from the beginning of my computing adventures. Even though I 'matured' ( I doubt that actually;-) I am still not fond of a Mac.
With the advent of Vista, my next 2 computers for that business will be Macs, since it is the only other choice I have.
Sorry for rambling...I am not technically alive at the moment. :crazy:
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Starrunner wrote:
When I got into Amiga computers in the early 90s whilst in high school, I had an extreme dislike of the Mac. What it was based on I can not remember at this point.
Almost certainly because Macs were expensive, lacked even basic features of the Amiga and all versions of MacOS before OSX 10.4 were pathetic, pointless and altogether a waste of valuble CPU time.
Over the years, I grew a brain stem and realised that each platform has it's uses and what it is good for.
Yeah, I grew one of those a few years back...
I wish that Commodore had never went away. I have a small video business with a friend. I would've loved seeing that business running Amigas, just like the ones I worked with in high school at the local cable station.
Instead I wound up, as I had in my personal Life after the death of my A3000, working on PCs.
I think that happened to most of us.
At the beginning I said I hated Macs from the beginning of my computing adventures. Even though I 'matured' ( I doubt that actually;-) I am still not fond of a Mac.
If you buy a Mac now, you will actually be buying a NeXT box... and they were cool! The Mac died in 2001, with the release of OSX.
The Modern Mac is a joy to behold.
With the advent of Vista, my next 2 computers for that business will be Macs, since it is the only other choice I have.
You won't regret it.
Sorry for rambling...I am not technically alive at the moment. :crazy:
ok...
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In general, I believe that Amiga will still be around for a long time yet.
As for the user base, and the supporters, many may return in future when Amiga starts building on their future, and yes, I think they've already started.
Also to note, It wont be too bad to get nice new Amiga systems, and running OS4. HOWEVER, I do believe Bill McWen is not all that of a bad man, instead, he is starting to see the light again for Amiga. PROBLEM, will he act on this light, or be like the other Amiga runners of the past?
Not finished yet, so here we go:
OS5: Apparently Bill McWen wants OS5 to run on any modern PC, and then to have it be capable to run on any other platform, or for those who so choose, only have OS5 running as a standalone OS.
What I am trying to say, OS5, If this is true what Ive heardm, then, the future for Amiga can only get better.
HENCE, As Ive always stated since coming onto the forums, and outta my shell, AMIGA is not at all dead, but I think they've come full circle, so the Future should be looking bright indeed if thats true!
Also, one last thing, maybe in future future, like OS^, may well start running on new Amiga systems again, as well as PC and macs!
Who knows, but if OS4 Is the last OS to only run on Amiga made Systems, then it is a must for me, along with many other supporters to get the last made Amiga system in history.(and im not talking about emulation, but standalone)
But I do Hope that, even with OS5 supposedly being able to run on any PC, that Amiga(other companies) still make new Hardware and Amiga systems, and allow the ideas of other hardware companies, who do not wish to follow the current trend, of, well, if my computers too slow, Ill update my ****** or whatever, but rather, damn, I got a 3 year old computer, or 5 year old Amiga computer, and once I installed the new OS, I was able to run the new Software for Amiga's out there!
Cheers! 8-) 8-)
And may the Amiga start prospering soon once again, and flourish!
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Karlos wrote:
Hahahahah... You sound northern
You don't say ;-)
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Reload the page.
Hey didn't you do Thomas the Tank engine? :lol:
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WTF? Ringo Starr was a fecking scouser!
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All northerners sounds the same to me ;-)
-Edit- You do sound scouse in the first clip... not the second :-)
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So where is your contribution, Mr Parsons?
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Honestly, it's like trying to get blood(line) out of a rock(-hard sock)...
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Karlos wrote:
So where is your contribution, Mr Parsons?
I've sent it to the gmail account.. I await its approval...
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Karlos wrote:
So where is your contribution, Mr Parsons?
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Honestly, it's like trying to get blood(line) out of a rock(-hard sock)...
:roflmao:
And now I know how to pronounce eyso's nick :-)
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@bloodline
It's there now :-D
I might sound like Ringo Starr, but you sound like... a serial killer :lol:
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Karlos wrote:
@bloodline
It's there now :-D
I might sound like Ringo Starr, but you sound like... a serial killer :lol:
and?
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bloodline wrote:
and?
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/810/1_1976.jpg)
...what else do you get up to with the hammer when not trying to straighten out the more stubborn bits of your laundry?
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bloodline wrote:
Yeah, but OSX 10.3 was absolutely awful... It wasn't until I tried OSX 10.4 that I actually realised I could live with a Mac... And then actually love one :-)
Also OS X on a G4 is not a pleasurable experience by any margin... you need at least two CPU's (OSX is VERY heavily threaded) and a G5 or intel Core cpu to really see what it capable of.
Running 10.4.8 on a PowerBook G4 867MHz and all seems fine to me. Admittedly, it is a whole heap nicer on my Core Duo MacBook, but it is still very usable.
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adz wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Yeah, but OSX 10.3 was absolutely awful... It wasn't until I tried OSX 10.4 that I actually realised I could live with a Mac... And then actually love one :-)
Also OS X on a G4 is not a pleasurable experience by any margin... you need at least two CPU's (OSX is VERY heavily threaded) and a G5 or intel Core cpu to really see what it capable of.
Running 10.4.8 on a PowerBook G4 867MHz and all seems fine to me. Admittedly, it is a whole heap nicer on my Core Duo MacBook, but it is still very usable.
After a recent thead diversion... yes 10.4.8 does run very well on my 1.5Ghz G4 Powerbook... but you should see it fly on this Mackbook Pro... :-)
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@Bloodline:
Are you a mac man through and through??
I only ask due to your avatar!
Cheers!! 8-) 8-)