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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: smiley1635 on February 07, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
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Looking for a 27c400 EPROM chip to burn into a 3.1 kickstart for my A600.
If anyone has one or knows a source of them I would like to know.
Thanks
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Just buy a real 3.1 Kickstart. They're among the easiest Amiga components to find these days.
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I have a KS 3.1 ROM for sale, pm sent.
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Amigakit sells them for 18 pounds not inc P&P, so maybe 20 inc P&P?
If I can get a cheap eprom then I can burn it will cost 50% of what a new one costs or less.
Why would I want to spend more than I have to?
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Mine is cheaper, but if you want to pirate one just buy a 27C400 (if you can find one) and burn it yourself. But last time I checked 27C400's were not that cheap so you are probably better off buy a KS chip.
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I am not scolding you, nor trying to force political view on you, but please, please don't make illegal copies of KickStart ROMs. If not for the sake of copyright enforcement, for the sake of the Amiga community. Even if you don't like the current copyright holder and don't wish to support them, all money going towards any product in the "Classic" Amiga market directly or ultimately indirectly helps us all in the Amiga community.
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smiley1635 wrote:
Looking for a 27c400 EPROM chip to burn into a 3.1 kickstart for my A600.
If anyone has one or knows a source of them I would like to know.
Why give you such info (NOT ME, shame on you lamer) ? As TjLazer said, find your 27c400 yourself or buy original (often less expansive).
A ** NEW KS3.1 chip ** for A500/600/2000 is sold 17,90 EUR (without shipping) at Vesalia.de and you could find easily refurbished 3.1 chip for 10-15 EUR or less on ebay (you could also try amigacenter.com).
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smiley1635 wrote:
If I can get a cheap eprom then I can burn it will cost 50% of what a new one costs or less.
Why would I want to spend more than I have to?
Errr... how about the fact that buying one (new) will support the remaining Amiga dealers?
And that the Kickstart ROMs are still copyrighted...
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I have some 27C400 ROMs I'm not using. I could sell them to you so you can burn your own 3.1 ROMs. I'm not going to though :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
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moto
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27c400 (http://www.chip-service.de/product_info.php?info=p39_MX27C4100DC-10.html)
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An interesting point of view. If the Microsoft alongside IBM, some 20 years ago, were equally aware of copyright infrigement and performing adequate anti-piracy campaign, where would be WINTEL platform today ?
How about making Amiga platform more accessible to others which lacks "Classic Amiga" experience ? I don't see how 30 Kickstarts per month and respected revenue can help Amiga community, but I can see a curious Amiga rookie steaming away 'cause of still living Commodorre paradigm.
After all, I need 4 Kickstarts 3.1 to upgrade my 4xA500's. Why would I perform a double shellout when I can burn'em myself and in return learn something in process. No wondring why most of crowd can't or won't mod a bare PC floppy to work on Amiga. Oooh, yes, I forgot, thats also against Amiga community interest...
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Lockon_15 wrote:
An interesting point of view. If the Microsoft alongside IBM, some 20 years ago, were equally aware of copyright infrigement and performing adequate anti-piracy campaign, where would be WINTEL platform today ?
I expect they were fully aware of what was happening, just as they are now.
Lockon_15 wrote:
How about making Amiga platform more accessible to others which lacks "Classic Amiga" experience ?
How is allowing people to burn their own Kickstart ROMs more accessible than allowing them to buy pre-made ones, if they have no "Classic Amiga experience"? I think you will find that burning your own chips is more difficult and MUCH more expensive (once you have bought the chip programmer) than just buying the legal ROMs. Furthermore, if everybody made their own ROMs, where would that leave vendors who sell the chips? They would no longer be able to sell these items, which would mean people who do not have the time, skills or money to burn their own would not be able to get hold of KS chips at all. How "accessible" do you think that would be?
Lockon_15 wrote:
No wondring why most of crowd can't or won't mod a bare PC floppy to work on Amiga. Oooh, yes, I forgot, thats also against Amiga community interest...
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
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moto
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Glad to have a chat with ya...
However, we're not on same track for sure. I've pulled comparison with WINTEL just as an example of intelligent bussiness framework aggressively taking over market share over competition. They WERE and ARE aware, just as you said, but their actions THEN and NOW are different both in target market and also in period/timing. 20 years ago they had a problem how to secure market share and assure bussiness continuity, now they have sweet problem with CASH - with over $5BN cash in banks. I really don't want to make this post dealing with historic timeline, but that same history shows where lies Commodorre and Microsoft success, respectively.
On the Kickstart burning issue...Accessability is by definition something directly opposite of denial. I agree that burning ROMS and selling them without licence is piracy and should be denied if not prosecuted. However, for a subset of Amiga members that have either a money, time and will to make some personal Amiga experience, denial is not a preffered choice. The original poster asked for resource availablity without making any ads on burned ROMs. There are whole bunch of people maybe interested in platform, having experience in PC hardware and you would direct them to 2-3 existing stores ? Great way to attract new members or maybe they are not good enough. I struggle every day to expand my local Amiga community by sharing hardware and denying "local production" will make me think twice before planning new Amiga party.
At the end...
"No wondring why most of crowd can't or won't mod a bare PC floppy to work on Amiga. Oooh, yes, I forgot, thats also against Amiga community interest..."
If you don't practice or learn, you (please, don't take this personally) become more slower, more self-contained, more dependable on others, and ultimately dumber. It's a matter of life stand - can I make a change or just become an object of change.
Cheers
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Ok, so I want to 'pirate' a rom chip for an old computer system.
I bet the people complaining have pirated lots of stuff maybe films, games, MS products but arent as bothered as it has nothing to do with their beloved hobby.
I want ONE rom chip for my A600.
If I wanted a bag of 30 EPROMS to sell on ebay as copied 3.1 rom chips in direct competition with Amiga retailers then fair enough, thats bad.
@motorollin
That reply was pointless. I really don't care if I cant buy an EPROM chip from you.
Nobody here is wanting to mass burn and sell kickstart roms!
There is always going to be a demand for original kick chips as obviously burning your own requires the knowledge and hardware. Its simple demand and supply. Your economical outlook on this is ridiculous to say the least with a highly unlikely outcome in an inappropriate market for your argument.
@InTheSand
If you create a business thinking that consumers are ethical in the way they buy goods then thats wrong. Ive bought plenty of hardware from AmigaKit and now im getting hounded for burning a kickstart rom chip! Supporting amiga retailers...how ethical. I am a consumer who will buy (questionable) substitutes of price elastic products.
Seems to be a lot of martyrs read:Fanboys on this forum regarding copyright issues.
I mean back in the day when Amigas were all the rage im sure a lot of you were disk copying, buying copied disks, jiffy swapping and downloading from BBS. It came with the territory, floppy swapping and such. You were 'stealing' from good companies then, and burning a single kickstart rom for a little A600 project is somehow worse.
Someone please argue your case.
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Every piece of Amiga hardware and software in my posession has been paid for. Not that I can afford it, or that I mind copying software, but, I choose to show my support for the Amiga. That's all. In fact, I have on several occasions bought a program twice that I only use one copy of, just because I like it so much. I actually have 3 or more 3.1 ROMs that aren't in computers, by the way. I don't feel guilty running UAE with 3.1 images on two computers as a result, but, that's not why I bought the ROMs.
Honestly, if you gave me $1 for an Amiga program I have written, that is more incentive than you can imagine for me to produce more Amiga software! And, you can bet your life that that $1 goes towards my Amiga, which means, I have given that $1 to some Amiga hardware producer, or other Amiga software producer. It keeps going.
This idea that "I just want to burn one for me" doesn't add up. If everyone just pirated one ROM, (don't kid yourself, an idiot can have a ROM pirated. I know several people with ROM burners for hire!) then no one would need to buy any...
Right! Just let me just steal one of your cars. It's only one, it won't matter. I promise I won't steal anyone else's. Plus, it's a few jahrs old. So, it really doesn't matter. If it were new, it would matter.
Here's something I really plan to do one of these days: I want to burn a 3.9 ROM. I just want one so I don't have to double-boot or worry about my ROM image getting corrupted during debugging sessions. I have several legal copies of 3.9, so burning myself a 3.9 kickstart is not wrong.
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Here's something I really plan to do one of these days: I want to burn a 3.9 ROM. I just want one so I don't have to double-boot or worry about my ROM image getting corrupted during debugging sessions. I have several legal copies of 3.9, so burning myself a 3.9 kickstart is not wrong.
Actually if you want to get down to the nitty gritty (as you like to do from what I can see) it is in direct violation of Copyright to do that! As it is copying and reverse engineering copyrighted code!
But I don't really care as I have bought and supported Amiga products since 1987, so a burned or copied program (at this point in the game) is fine with me.
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Full agreement. I know it is technically copyright infringement, but, the spirit of the law is to prevent me taking away from the owner, or gaining at the owner's expense. If I, owning a legal copy of 3.9, reverse engineer it for my own purposes, and use it only for me, I don't gain at the owner's expense, nor do I take away from the owner.
With the right lawyer, I could maybe get away with it in court anyway seems how I am not distributing the work.
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In fact, I have on several occasions bought a program twice that I only use one copy of, just because I like it so much.
Well aren't you a sensible consumer
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It's called "voting with your pocketbook".