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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: redrumloa on June 05, 2003, 02:57:47 AM
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Did I miss something?
Is this just some Fleecy Fluff or is it really something Hyperion is considering? That would be interesting. I'd be curious to see how OS4 would hold up against MOS1.4:-)
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Here we go again :roll:
Another _nearly_ 100 post thread? (Well actually more, untill some spoilsport steps in :-P)
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Is this just some Fleecy Fluff or is it really something Hyperion is considering? That would be interesting. I'd be curious to see how OS4 would hold up against MOS1.4
Most likely some Bill Buck Fluff actually.
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Where did you hear this?
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BBRV mentioned it on page 3 in the Amiga Trademark thread.
Now get back to work! We need a "real" Amiga OS for the Pegasos besides 3.X (which we have well over 1000 copies of already still in boxes)! We need that "OS4 Kit" for Pegasos II owners Fleecy has been talking about!!!
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Argo wrote:
Where did you hear this?
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1054739821&category=news&number=22#comment (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1054739821&category=news&number=22#comment):
Hi Ben, have not seen you here for a while. Hope you are doing well!
[...]
We heard the other day you were thing about moving OS4 to an OpenFirmware standard. Also, had an email that mentioned Fleecy was now talking about an "OS4 Kit" for Pegasos II owners. Sounds like it could be a market for you! Good luck!
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
:-)
-- gary_c
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I'm all for Genesi, Amiga, Hyperion, Eyetech, and pheonix, and anybody else who may be involved in any of this community having their products, sharing, or fighting over their products, and contributing in any way they feel.
However, I was wondering if one of the moderators or Wayne or someone would just let me go ahead and invoke the Hitler rule now, so we don't have another 8000 posts arguing about something that does not yet even exist regardless of whether it will or not.
BTW for those of you who have never seen it among other discussion sites, the Hitler rule runs as follows; Arguments may continue on a given topic within a thread until one person compares another to Hitler, at that point, the debate is considered over, and the person who made the comparison is declared WRONG.
I would be more than happy to compare someone or something (everyone and everything?) to Hitler if it would just save me from seeing another thread with 300 people promulgating their opinion like its gospel.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Of course, I'm perfectly willing to wait for it to happen, I realize I've posted more on this thread than anyone else so far, so maybe I just need to call myself Hitler and be done with it! :-P
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redrumloa wrote:
Did I miss something?
Is this just some Fleecy Fluff or is it really something Hyperion is considering? That would be interesting. I'd be curious to see how OS4 would hold up against MOS1.4:-)
Oh, knock it off. We've already got 2 flame wars going, we don't need more.
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Only two? .. :-P
Seriously... I see not much point on discuss product that has not been shown IRL and has no been evaluated by independent people. I know that some people (expecially their markettroid Ben Hermans) have a great belifs that it'll be something revolutionary, but quite frankly.. Not much of a realism there.
There are hundrets different OS (+ thousand homemade variations) there, and quite frankly I would be hardly supriced IF they had actually innovated something new and different during their first tumbling at the OS making.
Well.. recorded miracles have happened before. But I'd rather look this OS4 first before entering into too much discussion if it's worth havin or not.
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yup, no point in arguing about a piece of software that doesn't exist yet, much less for a board that doesn't exist ( well, at least in known beta testing or commercially available). But, When has that stopped anyone.
Besides, we seem to have much more juciy things to talk about. (rumors, trademarks, auctions, OS 4 Tour, ...)
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redrumloa wondered:
What's this about a OS4 Pegasos kit? Did I miss something?
Is this just some Fleecy Fluff or is it really something Hyperion is considering?
VERDICT:(http://www.cagw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/13031.gif) :hammer: :roll:
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There is no technical reason why AOS4 can't run on the Pegasos, I'm sure if Genesi get there way it will run on it (They like lots of OS's on their little board).
The only thing stoping AOS4 on the Pegasos is Hyperion, and thier politics.
Mark my words, a few weeks after AOS4 is released, some clever hacker (the Amiga community used to have lots of these) will get it running on his/her Pegasos... :-o
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I'm sure that if OS4 ran on Pegasos Eyetech would be in dire straits - after all, who'd then buy an A1 at that price?
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> The only thing stoping AOS4 on the Pegasos is Hyperion, and thier politics.
No. The only thing stoping it is Genesi and their politics. They are free to license it *FROM AMIGA*, not Hyperion. Hyperion doesn't have anything to do with Amiga's licensing politics. So please don't mix up who is doing what.
> Mark my words, a few weeks after AOS4 is released, some
> clever hacker (the Amiga community used to have lots of
> these) will get it running on his/her Pegasos...
Yeah, yeah, I've heard that line a few times before. It doesn't make it more legal, though, but who cares about such minor details.
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Mark my words, a few weeks after AOS4 is released, some clever hacker (the Amiga community used to have lots of these) will get it running on his/her Pegasos...
you don't say. they run on practicly the same hardware, even same pci interconnect. i belive the PS1/2 was comparably harder to crack than the A1 will be.
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> I'm sure that if OS4 ran on Pegasos Eyetech would be in dire straits - after all, who'd then buy an A1 at that price?
Especially since you can't buy a Pegasos now at any price, as they aren't produced until the II comes out.
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It can't be hard, load the kernel into memory... then jump to it... simple :-)
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> Well.. recorded miracles have happened before. But I'd
> rather look this OS4 first before entering into too much
> discussion if it's worth havin or not.
WOW! That's a completely new stance which I think is a really good idea: Commenting about something you actually *KNOW* about, not commenting without having a frigging clue.
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@Thomas Frieden
Thank you for posting. I take from your post I can assume that the word is an official NO.
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@ EntiZha
Especially since you can't buy a Pegasos now at any price, as they aren't produced until the II comes out.
didn't bbrv say yesterday that there were still dealers with Pegasos 1 boards? AFAIK they are still for sale here in Holland. Never mind tho. As long as you guys get something done, I can go look forward to be padding you on your back for hanging tough in hard times :-D
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Especially since you can't buy a Pegasos now at any price, as they aren't produced until the II comes out.
I just did.
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> Mark my words, a few weeks after AOS4 is released, some
> clever hacker (the Amiga community used to have lots of
> these) will get it running on his/her Pegasos...
Yeah, yeah, I've heard that line a few times before. It doesn't make it more legal, though, but who cares about such minor details.
But it wouldn't Hyperion losing out, would it? You'd gain because you'd sell more copies of OS4, even if it's only an extra few hundred. Nobody is talking about pirating OS4, merely bypassing the dongle check. You should be happy about this.
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The only thing Genesi has to do is sign some NDAs and contracts, respect them, fund the OS4 port to the PegasosII and pay the licenses. But instead of making so much noise they should be talking with Amiga Inc directly.
Come on Genesi! you have $$$, that's a good investment for your platform...
But only make noise when you have come to an agreement. No one should buy a Pegasos II expecting OS4, because given the current relationship between Genesi and Amiga Inc, there are many chances of Os4 not seeing the light in the Pegasos platform...
Come on BBRV! come here and state publicly that no one should buy a Pegasos II expecting OS4 to be released as nothing has been signed yet. It would be very kind of you and would help the community a lot.
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@Lando
So you think that those that would go as far as to crack the dongle check would not just duplicate the hell out of AOS4?
Within hours of AOS3.9 becoming available I was getting offered cracked versions ( which I turned down ).
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I just did.
Yeah.. I think he needs to take his own advice.
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The only thing Genesi has to do is sign some NDAs and contracts, respect them, fund the OS4 port to the PegasosII and pay the licenses. But instead of making so much noise they should be talking with Amiga Inc directly.
Since you're so informed, please tell all of us how much this license costs.
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But it wouldn't Hyperion losing out, would it? You'd gain because you'd sell more copies of OS4, even if it's only an extra few hundred. Nobody is talking about pirating OS4, merely bypassing the dongle check. You should be happy about this.
This is known as cracking. You can't legally sell it so Hyperion makes zilch.
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by Madgun68 on 2003/6/5 18:31:11
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The only thing Genesi has to do is sign some NDAs and contracts, respect them, fund the OS4 port to the PegasosII and pay the licenses. But instead of making so much noise they should be talking with Amiga Inc directly.
Since you're so informed, please tell all of us how much this license costs.
Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
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@ Thomas Frieden
Especially since you can't buy a Pegasos now at any price,
Send a mail to GGS Data (http://mailto:gunne@ggsdata.se). They have Pegasos 1 in stock. This also qualifies you for the €200 Pegasos2+G4 upgrade.
This mean that you can buy a Pegasos1 now and start using it (and not only in Linux ;-) ), and then when the Pegasos2 is available you can upgrade to a brand new system, with gigabit ethernet, DDR, and a G4 CPU card running at either (not decided yet) 1GHz, 1.2GHz or 1.3GHz. And the total cost is still BELOW what you have to pay today for an A1G3 motherboard with Linux. How about that? ;-)
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I'm probably more informed than you may think ;-)
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Send a mail to GGS Data. They have Pegasos 1 in stock. This also qualifies you for the €200 Pegasos2+G4 upgrade.
with only 600 users (many of them only want MorphOS and don't want OS4) I don't think it worths the effort and money. They are too busy supporting Cyberstorms and Ones to waste time in such a tiny platform. The Pegasos II is much more interesting because it will sell in large quantities.
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Genesi still have not written a firewire or disk drive driver... it shows you how much important is teh Peggy 2 compared to the Peggy 1
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Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
Look at the price of the AmigaOne :-o
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@Alkemyst
Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
It's not just the price that factors in to it. I don't really doubt that Genesi can afford to pay the license fee(s). The bigger question is: Would it be a wise business decision to pay the fee(s) considering the currently limited marketplace for AOS4? It's hard to answer this when the details are not publicly known.
Has anyone stopped to consider what consumers are paying in licensing fees for the AmigaOne? If Mai are fabless as claimed, then they're going to make their money off of the licensing charged (in this case) not only for the Teron but the Articia too. Then add the Amiga license on top of that. (Eyetech may front the cost, but IS passed on to the consumer.)
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Alkemyst wrote:
by Madgun68 on 2003/6/5 18:31:11
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Since you're so informed, please tell all of us how much this license costs.
Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
I... To be honest, checking the old announcements about AmigaONE and OS4, criterias, etc. and the recent Ask Fleecy answers...
I have no idea. I'll explain why. OS4 isn't out yet, but Eyetech can comply with the criterias and expectations. Eyetech didn't even had a working board, when it was AmigaONE. The story goes on, and on...
But the point is - I doubt that it'd be the same for anyone as for eyetech, as it seems to me the "standard" for the criterias are are always Eyetech itself.
As to what licensing fees they pay for OS4 we don't know: I even dare to presume that ATM nothing, as OS4 isn't out yet.
Another puzzling point how will OS4 sales handled. Will it be an additional cost for AmigaONE owners? If it's already "built in" in AmigaONE cost, then where is this money? (There are already AmigaONE boards sold) At Hyperion? If not, then when will they receive it? When OS4 is ready? But what about their rights to sell it, which can be purchased back?
Pretty a dozen open questions, so I don't want to jump into conclusions. I don't even hope that we will receive answers, as these are business secrets.
It'd be exciting to know the answers however :-)
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redrumloa wrote:
Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
Look at the price of the AmigaOne :-o
Yeah. You'd think with the competition of the Pegasos, Eyetech/Amiga Inc would try lowering the prices. Does anyone know why they cost more? (other than because Eyetech like ripping ppl off or similar crap. I'm not interested.)
I should imagine a lot of Peggy users will manage to get OS4 running legally or otherwise.
But if bbrv is so interested in buying a licence, how do the morphos developers feel about this? Is Morphos going to be abandoned? Surely all support and effort should be put into this as it is the true pegasos OS and could be grand.
Cheers,
-zudo
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by redrumloa on 2003/6/5 19:08:40
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Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
Look at the price of the AmigaOne
If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.
Equal being selling the exact same hardware from the same source witch they are not.
Then seeing the price of the one that comes with Aos4 & the one that came with MOS.
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If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.
No all things are probably no equal, but we may never know 100% for sure. Eyetech will of course say they arent making much money at this price, but they wont say how much it costs them per board to manufacture and how much the license is. As a consumer you rarely hear these things.
So that leaves speculation.
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Genesi still have not written a firewire or disk drive driver... it shows you how much important is teh Peggy 2 compared to the Peggy 1
Floppy drivers? Why do people even need those? My PC, Pegasos and Amiga machines all have USB. I use a 40Gb usb drive for transfers between the machines.
Heck, none of the PC hardware I've bought recently had drivers on floppy either.
As for firewire.. SHRUG. Don't own any of the devices myself.
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redrumloa wrote:
If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.
No all things are probably no equal, but we may never know 100% for sure. Eyetech will of course say they arent making much money at this price, but they wont say how much it costs them per board to manufacture and how much the license is. As a consumer you rarely hear these things.
So that leaves speculation.
Ever thought that maybe Genesi are subsidising the cost of boards to
a) Kickstart intrest to get over the whole chicken/egg pice/volume problem
b)Undercut and kill the "competition"
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
@ Thomas Frieden
Especially since you can't buy a Pegasos now at any price,
Send a mail to GGS Data (http://mailto:gunne@ggsdata.se). They have Pegasos 1 in stock. This also qualifies you for the €200 Pegasos2+G4 upgrade.
Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)
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Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)
Those were boards set aside for the developer program. And yes, as far as that program goes, there are no more.
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>b)Undercut and kill the "competition"
Too bad. It's called business.
Don't you know that the "good ones" only win in
Hollywood movies?
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I don't think he ever said it was bad or good. Just a possibility.
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@Uncharted
>Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)
Good point you have there.
Maybe it's because of the price when resellers are selling, a lot more than what I got it for example.
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zacman wrote:
>b)Undercut and kill the "competition"
Too bad. It's called business.
Don't you know that the "good ones" only win in
Hollywood movies?
Like Dave said, I never said that it was a bad thing. It's normal business practice (From MegaGlobalHyperCorps to market stalls).
Unlike many here I live in the real world.
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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
@Uncharted
>Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)
Good point you have there.
Maybe it's because of the price when resellers are selling, a lot more than what I got it for example.
Well it's a bit confusing because there was also that phoenix deal too.
One of 2 things have happened. Either dealers haven't been able to sell them as quickly as it has been claimed (i.e. a while back it was more than 'a few" that were left) or there has been a couple of boards left over for whatever reason that dealers just haven't been able to sell.
Whichever way you look at it, it hasn't sold out. Some may claim that's due to it not being very popular. Personally I think that it's probably because people are now waiting for the Peg2 and aren't sure about the (What was apperently impossible on the MAI chipset when it was just the A1 that was available with G4) Upgrade to G4.
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Great if this materializes, likewise a MorphOS port to AmigaONE. Can't wait for the comparisons.
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@Uncharted
No more like people probably didn't know t here were any left. Genesi' own webshops and Phoenix all sold out of their allotment. I had no idea any dealers had stock left! That's up to the dealer to promote their stock. :-o ,
Also I bet now that the cats out of the bag, the remaining stock will be gone real quick :-D
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Who cares????
AOS4 isn´t even finnished for AmigaOne yet!!
If the question is what amiga OS you should run ( other than WB3.1) then the answer will always be AROS. I mean all amigaprograms is 68k, WarpOS, PowerUP so then MorphOS or AOS4 doesn´t matter, right?
And for future program they still gonna have to run on 68k or classic PPC if its gonna be easy to port to both MOS/AOS.
AROS on the other hand will run on every kind of hardware so porting isn´t a problemon aros.
What i don´t understand is why there isn´t MorphOS for AmigaOne that shouldn´t be so hard, maybe after the Peg II is launched??
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There is no technical reason why AOS4 can't run on the Pegasos, I'm sure if Genesi get there way it will run on it (They like lots of OS's on their little board).
I hope they do get it running and does morphos still run on the a1 boards i mean the latest version of morphos.
edited by me post made out i was having a go at redrumloa and matt off aros fame
sorry to you both .
i want both systems to exist side by side. :-D
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@Amigamad
Anyone saying MOS will be better than OS4 must be out of his mind. How can anyone say so if there is nothing to compare with.
Quite the reverse, OS4 should be a lot more BETTER than MOS it being based on previous versions and has not got so much rewritten code from scratch, all though of course there is such in OS4 aswell.
My guess is that OS4 will be more complete system, if it's released soon. MorphOS is developing faster and faster each month, getting more and more polished each day. By the end of the year we will have two pretty much similar OS's, both working quite nicely.
Of course I can be wrong. NOTHING is certain in this world we are living in :)
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amigamad wrote:
There is no technical reason why AOS4 can't run on the Pegasos, I'm sure if Genesi get there way it will run on it (They like lots of OS's on their little board).
But why do you now want os4 when previosly morphos users were saying os4 will never be released and it wont be as good as morphos. I just dont understand all the rubbish in previous threads when your now all sayin you want os4 you could not have posted something this daft one minute morph os is the best os in the world and os4 will never get released and now your all saying you want it. wake me up when you schitzofrenics have taken your tablets or worked out if you want it or not :-? :-? :-? :-? :-o :-x
You imply that I'm some kind of MOS guy!!!! Not true, I'm an AROS guy.
But I would like to see both MOS and AOS4 do well.
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@amigamad
generalisations, insinuations and insults are not productive.
I have a bet for you. I'll pay you $100 if you find a post from the past that I said any of the things you mention.
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ANN has a complete archive. Go back to 2002 on ANN, I was very talkative back then and see what kind of MOS/OS4 stance I had.
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Hi! We will be here for a while doing a few things for tomorrow. It will not be PegPong, but we will take a few questions and make some observations about what we can read on this thread...
Hi Unchartered...:-) We did sell out. Perhaps, Gunne overestimated the opportunity in his market. OK, no problem. Now, we are going to help him out. What is the big deal? Do you understand?
You need to look at this from a larger perspective!
:-D
R&B :-)
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@redrumloa
dollars are no good to me in england £100 pound
would be ok. it was not meant as an insult to anybody.I never meant you had said any of those things but other people have made it clear in other threads that os4 is a joke .sorry not acusing you of anything . the way i see it i would like to run morphos on an a1 when it is out .i know it worked a while ago as i submited the link to the website which said it .in an ideal world we should be able to run both operating systems on both systems to get the best of both and of coarse aros would be great as well .i might still get a pegasos later on when morphos is a bit more advanced i know it is getting better and better with each release besides pegasos 2 will be ot later so for know ill wait til then .and at the moment ill wait till i get my amigaone and os4 by then ill have more money for a new system . :-)
please note my previous post has been edited by me . :-)
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bbrv wrote:
Hi! We will be here for a while doing a few things for tomorrow. It will not be PegPong, but we will take a few questions and make some observations about what we can read on this thread...
Hi Unchartered...:-) We did sell out. Perhaps, Gunne overestimated the opportunity in his market. OK, no problem. Now, we are going to help him out. What is the big deal? Do you understand?
You need to look at this from a larger perspective!
:-D
R&B :-)
Hey guys, when you coming over to England? I know you want to meet up and discuss an investment opertunity in a small startup production company :-D
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Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
Look at the price of the AmigaOne
If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.
Yes, they are not equal. Pegasos is a superior board, and Pegasos-2 will be even more superior. I repeat my question - with OS4 on Pegasos, who would buy an expensive, inferior A1?
I guess mostly the name-followers. But no-one wants them anyway, since their collective IQ is in single figures, none of them can code (far less spell), and they all use pirated software anyhow.
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KennyR wrote:
by redrumloa on 2003/6/5 19:08:40
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Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
Look at the price of the AmigaOne
If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.
Yes, they are not equal. Pegasos is a superior board, and Pegasos-2 will be even more superior. I repeat my question - with OS4 on Pegasos, who would buy an expensive, inferior A1?
I guess only the name-followers. But no-one wants them anyway, since their collective IQ is in single figures.
That's a bit harsh!!! I want an Amiga 500 again, I don't want it because it has any advantage over modern hardware, I just want one.
For the same reason some people will want an AmigaONE, and regardless of which is the better board, they should be allowed to choose the AmigaONE if they so want.
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For the same reason some people will want an AmigaONE, and regardless of which is the better board, they should be allowed to choose the AmigaONE if they so want.
Indeed so, but I get the feeling some people would buy painted turds if they had the name.
Edit: And the best of luck to people who are buying A1s for logical or personal reasons. But to buy them just because they have the name... it borders on madness. And notice how I changed "only" to "mostly" - it was a wee bit unfair. ;-)
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KennyR wrote:
For the same reason some people will want an AmigaONE, and regardless of which is the better board, they should be allowed to choose the AmigaONE if they so want.
Indeed so, but I get the feeling some people would buy painted turds if they had the name.
Yes, They would :-D
Heheheheheheheh
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Quite the reverse, OS4 should be a lot more
BETTER than MOS it being based on previous versions and has not got so much rewritten code from scratch, all though of course there is such in OS4 aswell.
Even more so, as OS4 will run on CyberstormPPCs first, which will provide superior compatibility to AmigaONE/Pegasos. The drawback is the speed factor though. A 604 is much slower than a G3/G4.
The situation will change with OS4 on AmigaONE - better speed/worse compatibility.
My bet that the two will have different shortcomings (compared to their 60-70% similar feature lists), as priorities/opportunities slightly differ in the two development group.
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hummmm...
...reading some more here. :-?
There are many misconceptions, but we understand how they came about. :-)
Let's start at square one. (!)
Picture a campfire with a bunch of cavemen sitting around....
1, We need wood.
2. We need fire.
3. We need something to eat.
Put into the vernacular...:-o
1. hardware
2. software
3. applications (marshmellows, yes/turds,no)
We are making *wood* at Genesi and so is Apple (BTW!). It is our main business. We hope to sell it to lots of cavepeople. Want to buy some?! :-)
Anyway, some folks come and then some more and they all want to do something different...GREAT! Everyone should be free to choose what they want to do! Seven or eight different groups take their wood and go off and build their own fires...
Now!
What's for dinner!?!? We are hungry!!!
(or if we take our favorite PegPong ping from yesterday: WATTS HAPPENING! :lol: This of course relates to a Don Cox comment about processing power verses processing speed and the difference between POWER (Power equals the ratio of work to time) and SPEED (which is just that ...pretty mindless, huh?!).
What's cooking!!!
That is the question! 8-)
You guys with us?!
END OF PART ONE :-D
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@bbrv
I must be thick or lacking some special humour-DNA, because to me your post makes very little sense.
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SlimJim
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ndeed so, but I get the feeling some people would buy painted turds if they had the name.
how well are they painted and who is making them . :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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@amigamad
Cheers, I didn't mean for that to sound strong. :-)
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bbrv...Well, problem is that your wood is nice and dry, but it is getting wetter while your people are struggling to make fire.
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(stretch a little SlimJim! :-) )
BEGINNING OF PART II
Ho Hum...
It is starting to grow dark. Lots of funny noises about, it is getting cold and where is dinner!
Oh yes, applications.
Wait!
Back to fire...we sell wood remember! :-) Build your fire -- however you want! You can build a Linux fire, a BeBeQ fire, or even a fire for just Amigas! Us, *wood* guys, do not care!!!
OK, have we got that fire going yet? (KennyR is really getting hungry now! And, many others too! )
You know, it is sort of hard in the beginning. You have to start with small sticks and stuff, have some patience and keep a close eye on things until the fire begins to work all by itself...;-) It sure can be hard if the wood is wet or the wind blows in the wrong direction, but well, those things happen. It is *life* ! :-)
GeeWhiz, still no food!
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redrumloa wrote:
@Uncharted
No more like people probably didn't know t here were any left. Genesi' own webshops and Phoenix all sold out of their allotment. I had no idea any dealers had stock left! That's up to the dealer to promote their stock. :-o ,
Also I bet now that the cats out of the bag, the remaining stock will be gone real quick :-D
But people have been mentioning that dealer X and dealer Y have had stock remaining for months now, that's the point.
Every time anyone has even romotely expressed an interest in the Pegasos, theres always at least one person who pops up with a "So-and-so have a few left". Anyone who has truely wanted an Peg1 board and who has expressed that interest publically would have been told this.
Hell I've been "informed" this on several occasions myself, and I'm really not that interested. (AOS 4 on there and I'd consider further)
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>But people have been mentioning that dealer X and
>dealer Y have had stock remaining for months now,
>that's the point.
For months now? Maybe you have missed that the
Pegasos wasn't available for some months... so how
could they have boards for months?!
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bbrv wrote:
Hi Unchartered...:-) We did sell out. Perhaps, Gunne overestimated the opportunity in his market. OK, no problem. Now, we are going to help him out. What is the big deal? Do you understand?
You need to look at this from a larger perspective!
I never said I had a problem, I just found it odd that for something that had sold out there were still units left over at several different dealers for a few months after "selling out"
Erm, it looks the same however you look at it. A "sold out" product didn't in fact sell out. (as in every produced unit was sold to an end user)
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HeyHey! Yeah Baby! Cowabunga! (sound cavemanish?)
...and you Unchartered -- get with the program here!!! This is a thread about fire and wood now!!!
Things are starting to heat up around here. Whew! :-)
Back to the story...
Lots of cavefolks are afraid of the dark. Good thing there is a little light now. Cool! (whoops!) Hot stuff! (that is! :-D)
Anyway, WATTS HAPPENING!!!! (power vs. JUST speed remember! We are civilized and cook our food, no raw stuff for us. There IS *work* involved...;-) )
Errr....what is for dinner?!
Well tonight we are cooking a mastodon! (it is a caveman thing)
That is right -- a big, enormous, furry thing! (you know, a hairy elephant with BIG teeth).
It is certainly more than all of us can eat in a year or two! How the heck are we going to do it on this puny fire?!?!?!
More FIRE!!! More Wood!! More Fire!!
We have a few mastodonbergers to cook and lots of aspirations!!! :-D
Editors note: The way to eat a mastodon is one bite at a time.
---POPCORN BREAK NOW---
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OK I'll bite - I'm wait for the AROS ISO to download so have nowt better to do.
zacman wrote:
For months now? Maybe you have missed that the
Pegasos wasn't available for some months... so how
could they have boards for months?!
A quick check reveals that on the 28th of Feb there was a news item with the title "Pegasos Sold Out" on this very site. Now if the state eductaion system hasn't failed here I make that a little over 3 MONTHS ago. See?
@BBRV
It's Uncharted (or Andy if you'd rather) by the way not Unchartered. That sounds like mine and Red's freakish love child, which I'd rather not think about :lol:
Um, yeah, wood, fire, ok, is this something to do with the Pegasos' underlying technology, because if it is I've got a new technology called "Levers" that you may want to buy off me for a nice sum of money. I've also got a new "Pulley" technology which improves multimedia thoughput. :-D
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...and now a commercial break from our sponsor!
PegPower! The Pegasos is for Me! The Pegasos is Cool Computing!!! PegPerfect! PegProvidential! PegPegPeg!
Could it be like the FIRST commercial?
Think about it...
Cavemen sitting around a fire at the end of a long day of mastodon hunting. They are tired. They are lonely (otherwise why are they sitting around the campfire talking to other sweaty, tired, smelly guys?!) and...
WHAMO!
Cavegirl! (or said another way...Hola Guapa! Boing! Boing! Boing! :-D )
"We have fresh fruit and vegetables at our fire over there..."
Sound like the first TV and something else right in the middle of everything -- a commercial?!
Very well, in the search for fruits and vegetables (and maybe something else), we just lost the attention of a few cavemen! Hey, come back here! :-)
BIBLICAL NOTE: It was a fruit that Eve had, wasn't it?!
Yes, an Apple no less! Now, think about that and get back here!
-----End of POPCORN BREAK!-----
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I don't need wood (esp not 'made' wood), I use dried dung to make a fire. :-P
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@bbrv:
One thing has always intrigued me. You mostly sign with bbrv. Does that mean that you and rv always share the same opinions and views?
(And this is not ment in a negative manner or anything).
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odin wrote:
I don't need wood (esp not 'made' wood), I use dried dung to make a fire. :-P
Then I think KennyR has the perfect product for you :-D
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Hey Andy, levers and pulleys?! You are farther along in the evolution! We are still in the stone age with this story and you are studying along with your Physics book (errhm...maybe not enough!)...
Make a choice, we go back to the campfire and finish the story or you go back to Newton's Laws!
Well?! :-)
...and odin, you just stay over there! We are about to cook something! Happy trails!
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@uncharted:
But burning paint is hazardous for your health, and not to mention bad for the environment ;-).
@bbrv:
As long as the meat is organic produced meat everything fine by me =).
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bbrv wrote:
Hey Andy, levers and pulleys?! You are farther along in the evolution! We are still in the stone age with this story
Too advanced eh? How about speeding things up with this new accellerator I've made? I call it the "Wheel". Best of all with my new "axel" technology allows clustering so you can use 4 or more "wheel"s for those more demanding applications. :-D
---Edit----
Second thoughts I'll stick to my Physics textbook, I can see this getting very loooong.
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Andy (same name as my younger brother, God bless him he lives in Florida! Just kidding Damien, Nate, Jim and Randy! :-) ),
Here are the key points:
1. Until something else comes along things keep going as they are.
2. When things do collide the subsequent direction is a summation of the mass and velocity of the objects in question.
3. What goes up must come down!
(Editor's note: gravity is a cool thing too!)
Or, better, for ever action there is a equal and opposite reaction!
(sound like a flame war? :-) )
You catching all this?
OK, that wraps it up for Newton's Laws...want to come back to the campfire?
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"Even wheels were at first frivolities; the most ancient known to us are parts of toys"
Cyril Stanley Smith
Emeritus Professor
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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bbrv wrote:
Andy (same name as my younger brother, God bless him he lives in Florida! Just kidding Damien, Nate, Jim and Randy! :-) ),
Here are the key points:
1. Until something else comes along things keep going as they are.
2. When things do collide the subsequent direction is a summation of the mass and velocity of the objects in question.
3. What goes up must come down!
(Editor's note: gravity is a cool thing too!)
Or, better, for ever action there is a equal and opposite reaction!
(sound like a flame war? :-) )
You catching all this?
OK, that wraps it up for Newton's Laws...want to come back to the campfire?
What do you have more of: Money or Amusing Analagies? :-D
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:-D
OK, cool, glad you are here Matt. We are just getting to the food part!!!
How is that AROS fire doing?! What are you cooking over there? How is that wood burning?! We hope very well?! :-)
-----Back to the Campfire!!!-----
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@bbrv
I'm still waiting for the food. All I can see on the tables (made of stone of course) of both groups of cavemen (Amicavemen and Peggycavemen) is mostly stale food. There is very little fresh food, nothing like the feast that those WintelCavemen enjoy.
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bbrv wrote:
:-D
OK, cool, glad you are here Matt. We are just getting to the food part!!!
How is that AROS fire doing?! What are you cooking over there? How is that wood burning?! We hope very well?! :-)
-----Back to the Campfire!!!-----
Good, I'm feeling quite peckish. I could do with a nice tasty AROS burger right now... where's the fire again?
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OK, GadgetMaster, do not get too far ahead of us!
Come on, gather round, time to finish the story, at least the end of the beginning!
Cavemen have wood.
Start fire.
Need to eat.
What to cook? Hungry.
Urgh! (sounds better than Cowabunga!)
OK, this is where the Ants show up! See that (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=317&forum=9)!! Ants! Sheesh!!! (He posted that!)
Happy now? No?
Then start your own fire! We will provide the wood!
Just remember, when you want to eat a mastodon take it one bite at a time...;-)
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That will be the next episode (see Subject above)...heard Apple started that already sort of....
Exhibit A: When the Apple issued a press release on May 5 announcing that 1 million songs had been downloaded in one week, the stock shot up 11 percent in a single day, on trading levels five times what they were the day before!
Now that is something to sing about!
:-)
Good night!
R&B
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@bbv
Well I am eating berries at the moment. If I can't see something interesting to eat on the horizon I won't need any wood or fire. Where are the killer apps?
Stew
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@bbrv
Hmm the ant is truly a miraculous creature, I hope this particular one doesn't fail to impress ;)
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"Yes, an Apple no less! Now, think about that and get back here!"
The owner of the apple tree is not going to play nice or is he?
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...get that OS4 fire going somewhere! There are alot of starving cavemen out there. They are tired, hungry, cold and need a warm amiga to snuggle up with...boing! boing!
Remember, AmiPegorNot is an easy question to answer! The OS4U2Peg! (title of next campfire story...;-) )
More tomorrow!
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P.S. Hi Stew, before Job, where did the Apple come from? Was it from the Tree of Knowledge or from the Tree of Life?
:-)
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"Remember, AmiPegorNot is an easy question to answer! The OS4U2Peg! (title of next campfire story... )"
Still fire and wood. Man I am getting hungry and the berries just don't cut it ;-) .
" Hi Stew, before Job, where did the Apple come from? Was it from the Tree of Knowledge or from the Tree of Life?"
Tree of Knowledge of course. Hope this means you know something you will reveal soon. Not in "two more weeks" soon.
Stew
PS that new wood thing you got there looks real tempting. Just waiting for something big to cook on it.
:-P :-P
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uncharted : Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)
I haven't read down into the thread yet so I don't know if someone has countered your misunderstanding. But any references to "sold out" have been that 1) all developer and Phoenix special boards gone 2) all the rest of the boards made shipped off to resellers.
No nonsense.
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Crumb : The only thing Genesi has to do is sign some NDAs and contracts, respect them, fund the OS4 port to the PegasosII and pay the licenses.
Hmmm. That's nothing. Especially that "fund the OS4 port to the Pegasos II part". Wow. What a bargain. I wouldn't think Genesi would even bother negotiating some great bargain like that. I mean, it is such a steal it's not even fair. Really.
Of course I haven't seen the licenses and I haven't seen the contracts, so I could be wrong. Really.
But instead of making so much noise they should be talking with Amiga Inc directly.
How do you think BBRV became acquainted with Garry Hare? ; p
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I'm not sure if I got this, but the analogy is roughly this:
One group of people sitting around a fire made from oak logs. The oakies like pork, or indeed any other meat. The preparation of their feast appears to be well underway
Another group are sitting around a fire made from pine logs. Due to some tradition or religion or something, they will only eat certain types of meat, sanctioned by some 'higher power'. However the hunting party who went to fetch their special meat keep sending messengers back telling them that the meat won't be there for another couple of hours. They have been waiting quite some time for their meat, but its special, and conforms to their tradition. A few of them are getting hungry starting to wonder if they should go and and join the oakies.
There's another group that's not quite as advanced as the others - they're still eating berries and vegetables like everyone was doing over ten years ago. They're living in the past, but they're happy. A few of them have wondered about joining with the advanced meat-eaters, but have seen all arguing that goes on between the rival factions.
Finally, there's a group who have central heated houses with devices called 'cookers'. They care little for traditions, in fact they don't even know anything about them, whilst the other groups are experts in their fields. Whether it be the oakies, the fussy meat-eaters or the berry-gatherers, they all know a little bit about the process involved in getting food from the field to the table. These people with the fancy 'cooker' however, eat genetically modified, mechanically separated, glutamate enchanced 'meat', and are happy. Most notably because of two reasons - they are in the majority and their way of life is well-supported, and they are ignorant
I know I've probably omitted loads of groups, but hey that was my attempt at off-the-wall babble...
Can you see which faction corresponds to which group in RL?
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ah ha- it appears I have been gone for approximately 5 hours, and all hell has broken loose.
Campfires and food, and what....I can't make any sense of it, but I'm sure its no good, and you wouldn't be getting away with this, if I was keeping a sharper eye.
oh well, enjoy it for now......
:-)
I gotta go...see ya's
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and then there's that very small group who nobody even knows how many people are still alive in it with a couple who claim they are leaders - or not - depending on circumstances. this "tribe" is no longer even banded around their old firepit because the god of that area took all the sitting stumps away for continually failing to understand how proper worship is conducted.
anyway, that tribe - if it still even exists - sends a guy back and forth once a week (or maybe he just thought it was the thing to do) who says what he has always said. though he uses the words very cunningly so the less-evolved don't seem to notice:
"if only you could see how marvelous our fire is and all the exciting food we are cooking on it! it's exciting..."
(he picked up some of his lingo from a long-haul mastodon handler.) then:
"...it is all-pervasive!"
like cavemen want to hear THAT word now. last time he used it he was talking about cooling their food with some frigmerater when what they wanted to do was cook it.
"...and the wood we use will burn anywhere - as long as you use this monkey-sloth firestarter that miracoulously will not burn us though every other caveman that has tried to use it got burned very badly."
at this point, some cavemen get up and leave as to not have to remember some things he said on behalf of his tribe a couple years before, about mixing monkey-sloth concoctions in polite company.
"...and any day now - any day now - you will be able to see our chairs - er, fire burning - no matter how far away or where you stand or sit!"
-- whereupon a very ominous type with a very aggressive stance moves out of the shadows for the first time in months, pushes him aside, and growls, "but we won't let you see it! and unless we let you see it you don't really know what it is, so don't talk about it because you don't know. and if you are talking about it you obviously come from a dull-witted slothenly tribe that didn't hear what i said because i really didn't SAY that - i really said something else which if you were not pig-breeders you would have the sense to know!"
whereupon the other tribes go back to their fires knowing they are already a LOT better off with whichever type of wood they've chosen to burn, beacuse even if it gets pissed on at least it is able to burn. and even if most of the food is stale, at least it has some sustenance to it.
besides, they've heard some disquieting things about that weird tribe eating at least one of their own and leaving his wife and child in very bad straits. some even heard the screams, though many tried to deny it.
also, that weird tribe had promised them furs at least 10 moons ago that never DID show up.
whatsupwiddat?
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"the loud thumping of trolls sitting around drums"
They are hungry.. they want food
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OK, this is where the Ants show up! See that!! Ants! Sheesh!!! (He posted that!)
Hee, hee- well as long as there's some vegetarian food there for dis Ant, so maybe some Tofu etc... ;-)
And @ bbrv- when Phoenix had it's darkest days with AI, I (semi-seriously) suggested we throw it all in, and do a comedy TV show instead, as we had the talent for it... ;-) I now see why you get along with us Phoenix pholk, as you seem to have the same sort of personality too LOL! :-P
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odin wrote:
Here we go again :roll:
Another _nearly_ 100 post thread? (Well actually more, untill some spoilsport steps in :-P)
Now it's 100 :-D
From Bodie's Brother... Bodie_CI5 ;-)
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KennyR wrote:
Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.
Look at the price of the AmigaOne
If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.
Yes, they are not equal. Pegasos is a superior board, and Pegasos-2 will be even more superior. I repeat my question - with OS4 on Pegasos, who would buy an expensive, inferior A1?
Kenny, it is not like you to go around posting unsubstantiated flamebait bollocks so please substantiate away or stop posting something so inane.
Why is "Pegasos a superior board"?
Merly stating it, Ill flame you. State reasons and we can have a discussion.
I think personally you were getting a bit carried away, especially seeing your next post ( although you edited ) was frankly downright rude.
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@bbrv
How amusing your view of the world now may be, you forgot
to mention the large hulking trolls sitting right in between the
campfires, growling at each other and being fed a scrap here
and there depending on which side they are shouting at for the
moment.
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SlimJim
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...
Oh, and I still haven't got an answer to the question of this
thread - from where did bbrv hear that a "AOS4 Pegasos Kit"
was considered? If from fleecy, when did fleecy say this?
The question was sort of drowned out in faery tales.
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SlimJim
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Mommy... Will it remain so? Threads with hundred posts each time I come to work?
Who has the time to read each? :-) Be gentle please, post slower :-):-):-)
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Hey Warface, Id like to have a proper conversation with you at some point. Are you on any instant messaging protocol?
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Hey SlimJim...that is an avatarasorous right?! We have not seen too many of them lately. Are you are just lurking around here looking for a few cavemen to munch up?! Or have you been on a extended steller exploration mission again? BTW, while you are gazing up into the stars would you keep an eye out for...
Pegsin Space!
errm...this was about cavemen wrong thread Bill...
Actually, it was about OS4 for the Pegasos Raquel!
Oh yes! About that...
Last week/weekend we received a few emails from people that said Fleecy had been mentioning and OS4 Kit for Peg II owners and that Ben had discussed bring OS4 to an OpenFirmware standard. We thought was a great idea, so we started a little discussion about *fire*. Anyway, the flames managed to work themselves in, but they were kept to a minimum, thank goodness. No one got burnt and we all had fun around the fire!
Anyway, DaveP, your little Japanese I -love-you-bunny avatar looks like the perfect meal for SlimJim! Let get that fire buring guys otherwise the OS4 campfire is going to be pretty loney with that old wood the guys chopped up a long time ago....;-) There just is not enough of it to get a decent meal cooked!!! :-P
Tonight!
Sing around the Campfire!!! Or, also titled:
Can things like Kanzaa become legitimate businesses? Apple's charging too much. Do they want to become an MP3 "label" for start up bands/groups?
We are going to get something going like this with our own POP-IDOL! Details SOON!!!
:-D
R&B :-)
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The bunny is a character called Miffy.
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@bbrv
Heh, not my avatar is not a Avatarasorous. The
Avatarasorous is much smaller. My avatar rather depicts
the three-meter head of a Dracocéphalum Elementalis
Rex*, commonly known as the Great Dragon.
These sentient carnivourous animals can be found in all
terrain. Fully grown (after a youth lasting almost 50 years),
they reach a length of about 25 meters while weighing in at
about 90 tonnes. The wing span of a fully grown dragon is
about 60 meters (some 600 square meter of total wing
area). Their brains are eight times larger than a human brain
and even though very alien in thought they often quickly
learn to replicate human languages by careful high-pitched
vibration of their head-pansar. The Dragon tongue itself is
three meters long and incapable of pronouncing human
languages - it is used in the Draconic language referred to
(quite logically) as Dragontongue**.
For the amateurs Dracologists, I'll give an excerpt from L.
Canberras excellent Field Dracology, today and
tomorrow(D&A publ.):
[...]The safest way to observe a [Great] Dragon is from a
safe distance. Find an observing point no less than three
kilometers from its lair. In some areas where a Dragon
hunts, locals have constructed special reinforced shelters -
ask for those! If you are lucky, you can spot it as it lifts
from its lair or from catching something on the ground.
(Check the local newspapers for sightings. Dracology
specialist publications such as "Teeth and Claw" or "Dracol"
publish montly lists of dragon sightings)
[...]
Caution: remember that the Dragon has much better eyesight than
you. Always assume that if you can see it, it can see you
too.
For further information on these fascinating animals, I refer
to the original published article in Dracol by Dracologie
professor S.Regandell (Dracol nr 3, 417, Chile 2002.)
But if you have any further easy questions, just ask and I
might be able to answer.
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SlimJim
*) Dracocéphalum is latin for "Dragon's head" (from Greek
"drakon" and "kefale" meaning "Dragon" and "head"
respectively) Elementalis is a historical reference to this
animal's domination in all the traditional elements, including
fire. "Rex", finally means king. It can be discussed whether
or not the Great Dragon deserve this title as it is certainly
not the biggest member of the Dracocéphalum animal
subgroup - the Great Sea Serpent is much bigger. History
and tradition are the culprits here; The Great Dragon was
simply discovered much earlier than the Sea Serpent. For
fairness, the latin name of the Great Sea Serpent,
Dracocéphalum Aquarius Rex, denotes it as the "king of
water". For further background on early encounters
between humans and dragons, we refer to "Ecyclopaedia
Draconis Imperatis" by E.Chao et al (D&A publishing)
**) Human understanding of the Dragontongue is
limited, and the syllabic alphabet created to put the known
words on paper is longer than the list of actual known
words. Today 164 words in Dragontongue is known. Of
these, 40 are Draconian names, 2 are verbs, 4 are
adjectives and 118 are different classes of threats and
insults.
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... and no, I have not been on any "extended stellar exploration
mission" - wish I was. I have been working on my Master
Thesis, and it is not in Dracologoly...
.
SlimJim
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@BBRV
Since i have no patience at all ...
HURRY UP !! :-D :-D ;-)
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Hi SlimJim, thanks for the interesting reading! But, just to keep things on topic does that particular order of dragons have any genes or more precisely species that are *fire* breathers?
And, what is the thesis about?
Sorry, Kees just been to busy doing other things to really think! :-)
R&B
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@bbrv
To answer your question, I once again quote the Draconic
litterature.
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"The insides of the Dragon ribcage is practically empty,
leaving two huge spaces, each inlined with a sack
membrane having a volume of 16.5 cubic meters. The
outer walls of the second chamber of each "gasmaker"
organ faces the inside of these sacks and the hydrogen
from the chemical breakdown is stored like in a balloon. In
fact it's exactly like a balloon, since these sacks, commonly
referred to as the flying sacks allows the dragon to lift
its immense weight off the gound without having the
anatomically impossible bodymass/ wingmusclemass
normally required for such an heavy animal to fly. [...]
The hydrogen production never stops as long as there are
water left in the lower part of the refeeding stomach. When
the flying sacks are full, the dragon must expell gas. It does
so by contracting the ring of muscels of the chest. The
pressure expells the gas at high speed through two canals
at the foremost end of the sacks [...] the gas joins in a
cartellage conduit leading all the way through the throat to
the "fire-breathing" apparatus in the skull bone.
[...]
The "fire breathing" of the Great Dragon is actually not a
natural treat of the species, but a mix of anatomical
perfection, intelligence and cultural influence. A dragon is
not born with this ability, rather it has to be taught. [...] The
dragon eats a stone of flint and use the tongue to place it
right on top of the hollow connecting the gas-expellation
chamber and the mouth. A second stone is nudged at the
tooth seeling the side of the hollow. With practice, the
dragon can now snap its teeth shut to produce a spark at
the same time expelling gas from its flying sacks. Since the
dragon is simultaneously exhaling breathing air through the
connection between the mouth and expellation chamber, an
over-pressure is built up in the expellation chamber and the
hot gas mix is pushed with great force through the three
holes in the front of the dragon cranium. If the mix is ignited
by the flint- spark, it ignites a few centimeters outside the
expell holes, causing a thin flaming cone of burning
hydrogen up to twelve meters long. The effective range of
this "fire weapon" is however reduced due to hydrogen
dissipates so quickly - reducing the useful range to eight
meters - actually comparable to the reach the Dragon has
with its front paws. For this reason the fire-weapon is
almost only used as a defensive or tactical weapon by the
dragon. [...]
[...] So in no way is the dragon actually "breathing" fire.
Instead the ignited hydrogen is expelled from the three exit
holes in the chin, below the mouth. Since the expellation
cavity links to the mouth, these holes are often used to
drink water from pools of water whicj are too shallow for
the dragon to dip its long head - their function is similar to a
straw.
Normally, the gas is not ignited, rather the hydrogen from
the over-full flying sacks are just dispersed in a harmless
gust. [...]"
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Hope this answers your question. Other notable animals
belonging to the Draconis animal group (not the
Dracocephalii) are the smaller Hydra Elementalis and
the Chineese Dragon.
(excerpts are from the Encyclopaedia Draconis Imperatis VII)
.
SlimJim
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@bbrv
... and my thesis is about a binary star. I'm the first to
analyse it so it's quite interesting: Two solar-like stars orbiting
each other at a distance of 1/10 of the distance between Earth
an our sun... :-)
.
SlimJim (...not getting all that much done this afternoon, it seems)
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> Edit: And the best of luck to people who are buying A1s for logical
or personal reasons. But to buy them just because they have the name...
it borders on madness.
@KennyR; you don't think that buying an A1 solely to run
AmigaOS4 on Twenty-First Century hardware is a more common (& VALID)
reason?
(i.e. compared with CyberstormPPC (maxing at 200MHz?); particulary when
not all classic Amiga owners own A3k/4k with-or without PPC Accelerators!)
To be sure, when the specs of BOTH Pegasos(1) and AmigaOneSEs were
available, on face value it did look like the Pegasos had the
superior specifications (particulary with the included Firewire) . . . . .
° But, what then happened? In spite of April1 and April2 -- how many Peg
Users are running G4s?
° I've already read on THIS thread that a Peg Owner(?) doesn't consider
that the absense of Firewire Driver/s is a concern!
° IF MOS is so wonderful, why the desire to have AmigaOS4 on the Peg?
THESE are IMO valid reasons to (if only buying ONE of the platforms) go for
the A1 instead of the Peg!!!
If a low price was the only real concern --
should not the cheapskates just stick with x86?
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bbrv said, at the end of a confusing ramble about
commercial Cavemen:
BIBLICAL NOTE: It was a fruit that Eve had, wasn't it?!
Yes, an Apple no less! Now, think about that and get back here!
No it wasn't --
Gen 2:9 ... the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst
of the garden, Elohim(Mighty Ones) hath said, Ye shall not eat of
it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and
that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one
wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto
her husband with her; and he did eat.
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So, no apple, just called the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, . . . . .
A moral story of law -- lying -- and disobedience!
There has been (on this forum) a lot of talk;
of law,
of lying,
( To Paraphrase) --- And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
. . . in the day . . . And when the woman saw that the Pegasos was
good for software, and small, and it was pleasant to the bank balance,
she took of the computer thereof, and gave unto her husband with her;
and he did operate it.
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were
naked; and they put T-Shirts togather, and pulled them on. :-)
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@Madgun68
[floppy and firewire drivers]
I only wanted to show you that total support of Pegasos1 isn't a priority even for Genesi.
If hypotetically OS4 was going to be released for the Genesi machines I would find more interesting to support the Pegasos2 because it's going to be produced in higher quantities and writing drivers fora new board needs quite a lot of time. Users of Pegasos I can upgrade to Pegasos2 if they want, so it makes more sense for me to support a machine that is going to be produced in thousands of units and has a future than a machine no longer produced with only 600 users that can upgrade to the new machine... of course this is blah blah because it's all hypotetic, but I only wanted to show you why I would support first Pegasos2 rather than Peggy1.
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vortexau wrote
To be sure, when the specs of BOTH Pegasos(1) and AmigaOneSEs were
available, on face value it did look like the Pegasos had the
superior specifications (particulary with the included Firewire) . . . . .
° But, what then happened? In spite of April1 and April2 -- how many Peg
Users are running G4s?
Wait for the Peg ][ before asking that.
° IF MOS is so wonderful, why the desire to have AmigaOS4 on the Peg?
Read what bbrv wrote. From what I get out of it they are more intrested in selling hardware and bringing OS4 would probably mean more sales also I would like to be able to try both without needing 2 mother boards.
THESE are IMO valid reasons to (if only buying ONE of the platforms) go for the A1 instead of the Peg!!!
If a low price was the only real concern --
should not the cheapskates just stick with x86?
Yes but I like my money and the money I save buying a Peggy could be used on software or hardware for the Peggy.
Thus why this will be a factor when I decide on if I'm going to lay down more money on a eyetech Amige One just for OS4 or go with the peggy at least for the short term. Price is a deciding factor not just for me but I bet others too.
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If you REALLY[/i] want something...
The price is irrelevent !!
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Can things like Kanzaa become legitimate businesses? Apple's charging too much. Do they want to become an MP3 "label" for start up bands/groups?
We are going to get something going like this with our own POP-IDOL! Details SOON!!!
I'm listening... :-o
I'm still listening... :-D
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Hello DaveP.
Kenny, it is not like you to go around posting unsubstantiated flamebait bollocks so please substantiate away or stop posting something so inane.
Why is "Pegasos a superior board"?
There are innumerable postings on Ann on this subject (none of them very convincing or readable, thanks in part to anonymous cowards), so I'll just state my own opinion.
The main advantage that the Pegasos is cheaper. Quite a lot cheaper. Then there's firewire, the fact its micro-ATX for portability, the general manufacturing quality...yeah, all done before and still arguable. And there's still the whole contraversial subject that the A1 might still have the DMA bug gratis of Articia - again, done to death, so I won't go there either. I'll just say that "But it works here." is a phrase I detest coming from any betatester, especially betatesters who don't do any detailed tests. And before you say it, Pegasos has loads of 'em too - far too many.
In essence, it was nothing to do with the Pegasos: it was a less-than-subtle swipe at the people who refuse even to look at the two boards and compare them, and rather would buy A1 just because it has the name. They are really pissing me off, not least because they are strangling the Amiga with dumb mid-90s style blind prejudice, but also because of many of their simple-minded comments. "Wow, if Doom3 was on the A1 people would really buy Amigas again!" and "A1 is a real Amiga because Fleecy says so and everything else sucks!" and the famous "When OS4 comes out the good old days will come back!"
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Well, let us just end our posts on this thread with this note...
There will be a new BeBox too.
Guess what will be inside?
The Pegasos II.
Get it now?! :-)
A few of you are still in the Stone Age (or 90's anyway). Cavemen unite!!! Get that OS4 fire going!
Hey Vortexau -- Humanity all suffer from the same frailties. Some people just deal with it better...;-) Vortexau, you are right. In the Bible it is only referred to as a fruit. Apples have worked their way into the artistic depictions of this Biblical story more frequently than any other from our perspective. We will try to be more precise in the future...;-) . Perhaps, your posts could be more fruitful if you thought a bit more...the ending was good! Very good. :-) The beginning was ill-concieved. The G4 has been running on the Pegasos since November 2001. Do you know about Altivec? It seems the Teron crowd is just figuring out this problem too. Best of luck!
If you are interested in this discussion further, please refer to this ANN thread (http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=rant&file=1054899146.msg). Takemenhomegrandma did a good job on this one...;-)
Have a great weekend!
R&B :-)
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(just could not get it out of my system...;-) )
Hi again vortexau, here is a puzzle for you...we assume you know what a vortex is. Yes?
For those that may not know, a vortex is the twisting turbulance created on the end of a wing as the pressure differential meets and the wing moves through the air flow -- higher vs. lower pressure, no more wing in the airflow, woooosh, a vortex spinning off the end of the wing...
Now, let us put a little *spin* on that and try to give you and a few others a little *lift* today :-D ....as you Mr. Vortex are in the southern hemisphere gravity works a little differently there. :-o Well, the same, but in the opposite direction sort off (don't worry, this is NOT about *Pegs can Fly!*, we all already know that! :-) ). Try this: go to the tub, put some water in and then let it out. Which way does the little *tornado* turn...to the right or left?
It is a pressure thing again, just a bit different this time...
Anyway, then, get on the IRC channel with some of your buddies in the Northern Hemisphere and have then try the same thing! Which way does it spin this time? Does it go in the same direction?!?! If you are tired of filling up the tub, flush the toilet! It is the same....;-)
Try it a few times....
As you gaze down into that *vortex* vortex(au) ask yourself this question: Am I are generating *lift* or am I just a *drag* around here?!! 8-) Just where is your life headed Mr. Votex? Can you see that now!? :-)
OK, just for a bit more fun for the rest of us maybe the "au" for Mr. Vortex is not for Australia -- even though this is where he appears to be. Maybe the "au" is for GOLD as this is the symbol of gold on the Periodic Table (Au). The symbol for gold, Au, comes from gold's Latin name aurum. The meaning of its name is unknown, although its origins are Anglo-Saxon. Gold is a soft, shiny, yellow metal, and has been used and highly valued by humans for 4,500 years. It is the most malleable and ductile of any element and it can be beaten into a metallic film a few microns thick. Gold is also a good conductor of heat and electricity. It must be hardened with another metal to make it useful; pure gold is too soft for most uses. It is used as money and is the standard for monetary systems in many countries. It is also used in jewelry, dental work, electrical contacts and wires, photography, and as a colored coating for special types of glass. Gold is good at reflecting heat, and it is often used as a plating on spacecraft to keep them cool (did somebody say Pegs in Space...?! :-) ). (Erhmm...continuing...) A radioactive isotope of gold is used to treat cancer. A compound of gold is used to treat rheumatoid arthritis....etc.
Anyway, the moral of the strory is:
At the end of this Community *vortex* we may all find a little (au) Gold here! :-)
We are going for the Gold!!! Who wants to join us!!! :-)
And, please somebody get vortex's head out of the toilet...it is enough now!!!
:-P :-P :-D :-D 8-) 8-) :-) :-) Adios Amig(o)s!!! Have a nice weekend!
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@bbrv,
Somebody did say it, but it's better to get it from you I suppose,
Are you really more intersted in hardware then software ? If so, how do the MorphOS developers feel about that and what does that mean for your long term plan about MorpOS ?
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@bbrv
What happens if you flush the toilet on the equator???
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>Are you really more intersted in hardware then
>software ? If so, how do the MorphOS developers
>feel about that and what does that mean for your
>long term plan about MorpOS ?
"There is no MorphOS without Pegasos". Hardware
is the key, you won't sell software (an OS) without
own hardware. Because Genesi sells the hardware
they can finance MorphOS development much better
than if they had to develop it for lets say x86.
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Hi Matt, we will try the Kazaa thing next week...they may be over 240 Million downloads by then!!!
Besides, the jury is still out on Apple. Apple says that "more than half" of the song total from the first week was sold in album format, rather than as singles. Assuming a conservative 12 songs per album, and one album per person, we can calculate that 500,000 songs would satisfy 42,000 customers. Assuming a conservative five downloads per person for the remaining 500,000 songs, we come up with 100,000 additional users. That's fewer than 150,000 people using the service. Good, but...
In the meanwhile, take a look at Roxio's retro-Napster effort and PressPlay. We think pay per dowload (PPD) will work one day...everything just needs to work as a complete package (heard that before?). Apple is still missing the micropayment part, but their "MP3 Label" concept (our name for it) is very clever. We hear they are hosting something this weekend in Cupertino for unknown start-up bands....who knows? Will the next big trend in the music industry be online distribution? :-)
R&B
P.S. It is already! :-D
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bbrv wrote:
A few of you are still in the Stone Age (or 90's anyway). Cavemen unite!!! Get that OS4 fire going!
WOW, something else to add to my sig :-o :-P .
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:lol: Hahahaha! Very funny T_Bone!!! :lol:
How did you do that?! :-D
:lol:
R&B
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Hi seer...read the ANN thread:
[Rant] Future of Pegasos, A1 and OS4
It is all there...
:-)
R&B :-)
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Hi Bodie, we never said either you or Vincent was a Moron! :-) Have a nice weekend!
R&B
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Only morons are morons! :-D
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@bbrv
:lol: :lol: :hammer:
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:-o
R&B :-)
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bbrv wrote:
Hi Bodie, we never said either you or Vincent was a Moron! :-) Have a nice weekend!
Does that mean you're confirming that Blomberg and alx are morons? :-P
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Or Ryu and Calen :-P .
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MP3 *SUX*, anyway... The quality at ANY bitrate is
from crap to just acceptable. Nothing more than that.
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bbrv wrote:
Hi Matt, we will try the Kazaa thing next week...they may be over 240 Million downloads by then!!!
Besides, the jury is still out on Apple. Apple says that "more than half" of the song total from the first week was sold in album format, rather than as singles. Assuming a conservative 12 songs per album, and one album per person, we can calculate that 500,000 songs would satisfy 42,000 customers. Assuming a conservative five downloads per person for the remaining 500,000 songs, we come up with 100,000 additional users. That's fewer than 150,000 people using the service. Good, but...
In the meanwhile, take a look at Roxio's retro-Napster effort and PressPlay. We think pay per dowload (PPD) will work one day...everything just needs to work as a complete package (heard that before?). Apple is still missing the micropayment part, but their "MP3 Label" concept (our name for it) is very clever. We hear they are hosting something this weekend in Cupertino for unknown start-up bands....who knows? Will the next big trend in the music industry be online distribution? :-)
R&B
P.S. It is already! :-D
Ok ok, already!!! I've taken the bait... come on pull me in!!! :-)