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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Lokki on February 01, 2007, 08:54:24 AM
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Once again I'm grappling with something annoying...
Does anyone happen to have the AdIDE manual?
I'm having trouble setting up a 120 meg hard drive in my A500, got the driver disk but don't have the manual. Can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Maybe the original makers of the interface can help, if they are still around - website says it was last updated back in 2004 but it's worth a shot.
support@icd.com
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Doesn't look like they're talking to anyone anymore... my email gets bounced from those addresses.
Anyone out there who'd be interested in scanning their manual? You'd have my eternal gratitude... after days spent trying to make the interface boot properly I'm almost bald from the tearing of the hair and the stress. :-(
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I have the manual I will scan it to PDF for you!
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Mate, thank you very very much.
I think you've just saved my sanity!
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Still searching for a copy of the manual, anyone... :-(
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read my reply on this thread
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15910
hope it explains enough for you to get the drive formatted and file system installed
Az
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Ah, thanks for pointing that out, I'd lost the link.
I had managed to find that post and some others but am still unable to get the system to boot from DH0. It should be possible with the 2.04 ROM I'm running... ? Most of my problem is the inability to write a 'proper' startup sequence for DH0: and no idea how to use the ICD install disk to make anything apart from verify, partition and install to happen... I've managed to muddle my way through it so far, but RTFM isn't possible. :(
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If you have KS2.04 Rom installed get the Workbench2.1 OS installation disks... much nicer install system, better OS functions etc
If you have the harddrive prepared is fastfilesystem actually placed into the master boot record on the physical harddrive?
You do need this, if I remember it is part of the ICD partitioning tool. If its not on the disk, it will be on an old workbench 1.3 disk under the L: directory >hope my memory is correct here<
With the partition correct, fastfilesystem in the bootsector and everything formatted, install workbench2.1 should be no problem.
Hope that helps
Az
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Oh ok, thanks for that. I'll double-check it tonight, I was under the impression the fast filesystem stuff was done automatically through the ICD partitioning program.
I've got the KS2.1 set of install disks but haven't been able to use HDinstall properly, it doesn't recognise DH0:
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If the install disk for AmigaOS2.1 does not recognise the DH0: device then something has not been setup correctly within the ICD partitioning program.
There is a small BootRom built onto the ICD AdIDE board to allow auto device booting even under Kickstart 1.3
Kickstart 2.04 Rom works with the AdIde, I have setup an A500 with a small 2.5inch harddrive and WorkBench2.1
Recheck the steps for the ICD mickey mouse partitioning software. Make sure you have edited the txt file with the correct harddrive parameters. The partition software should auto detect once these paramters match the harddrive physically connected to the board.
Check that the device name = DH0:
that the L:fastfilesystem is there on the ICD disk or on another Workbench1.3 disk >easy enough to copy across if missing<
Give the partition a name when formatting the device with the fastfilesystem >do not use international fastfilesystem flags or any other than the original KS1.3<
Lets hope you get further this time :)
Az
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I got further away this time I think.
The drive is added to the icdfmt.dat file, in correct form, drive zeroed, power off, jumper changed to 1.3, boot up the icd install disk.
Run ICD's format tool, detects drive properly, all set up right. Name: HardDrive, Partition: DH0, flagged FFS and BOOT.
Select Partition, program does it's job and installs workbench 1.3.
Exit program. HardDrive appears on workbench.
remove floppy, replace with install 2.1.
Reboot, hold mousebuttons.
Drive is in boot menu.
Booting to drive causes terminal guru errors if it's using workbench 1.3.
Booting to DF0: with Install 2.1 works well, HardDrive is visible on workbench. Try to us Install 2.1 tool and it gurus.
Whereas booting to workbench 2.1 and then doing a straight copy of everything seems to work. But I can't make it boot properly then, it'll have a fit at the Startup-Sequence and hang in AmigaDOS.
After that I can manually loadwb endcli and it's fine.
If I add icdmount to User-Startup on workbench 2.1 and boot from DF0:, the drive mounts perfectly and is usable.
I'm ready to kill the designer of this thing.
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Hi,
I found this on http://www.l8r.net/install/hdc.html
"ICD-AdIDE.dms ICD ad ide controller"
and also on the Big Book of Amiga Hardware
http://amigahardware.mariomisic.de/index_e.html
Quote " however there have been reports that this board does not like many Western Digital and IBM Hard Disks."
I hope this helps.
Kind Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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You got an extra one of those AddIDE? I've been looking for one, for a while now. :-(
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Thanks for all the help everyone.
I'm running the latest version of the install disk, it also has a handy configuration program which reads the drive and updates icdfmt.dat with the drive details (although it wipes the drive when it does it).
It's the 3.5inch drive version, running a Seagate 130 Mb drive.
And with how user-friendly it's being at the moment I don't think I'd wish it on an enemy just now.
Unfortunately I've only got the one other wise I'd switch them to make sure it's not a bad unit. It shouldn't be, as the drive can get a certain distance into things before it gets upset, has to be a configuration problem.
I'll keep in mind that you're looking for one though, for when I'm ready to give up. :-)
I'll have another crack at it in daylight, it's 3am and I've honestly had enough for the moment.
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If there is a WorkBench 1.3 installed onto the drive, delete the s:startup_sequence
also in C: delete the setpatch program
hopefully this will stop the guru problem
>altho this should have all been overwritten when you copied the 2.1 disks<
Az
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Hardware Manual almost done..
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Thanks, TJLazer! Hugely appreciated!
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Here is the Hardware (http://www.vintagecomputercafe.com/amiga/manuals/AdIDE2_Hardware_Manual.zip) manual!
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One tip to you:
Untill ROM 3.1, all Amigas have some problems booting from 3.5" hd units: sometimes the Amiga don't wait for time enough to the harddrive spins up!:-o
In those cases, you must do a hot-reboot (CTRL + L_Amiga + R_Amiga) 30s after the first boot to "fix" the issue.:-D
Only with 3.1 ROM those annoying "features" don't occurs.... :pissed:
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Ah, interesting that.
It wasn't fixed in 2.05?
I'm unable to do warm reboot either, it still gurus... I'm going to have to start again I think.
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I do have 3.1 in my 500 and it seems to work ok. I do have one issue though, after a Guru, it will not reboot. I have to do a CTRL A + A to force it. Other than that it works fine! Prepped the HD in 1.3 to begin though, not sure if that was the key... Try KS 1.3 to prep it, then swap ROMs.
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You know, that might do the trick. Thanks for the suggestion, mate.
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The plot thickens... I couldn't get 1.3 ROMs to function in my revision 6 A500, and couldn't be bothered modifying things, so I dragged out one of the Rev5 boards and installed the AdIDE in that. It boots to DH0. Consistently and well. Copied my Amiga Forever boot disk onto the drive (copy df0: dh0: ALL) and rebooted, works perfectly.
Now I'm going to fit the 2.04 ROM to this board and see what happens...
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Bah. As soon as I use my 2.04 ROM I start hitting problems.
It will boot to DH0: and do everything properly until I start a CLI... then we guru.
If I try to use my workbench 2.1 disk to boot.... then we guru.
At least I know it isn't the modified revision 6 board that's doing it.
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Try installing 2.x from scratch. Move all files from SYS: to a folder called backup and copy the WB disk to it. Though it should boot to WB 2. Is the disk modified at all? Use a fresh disk and see what it does. Maybe just get a 3.1 ROM? I have one FS.
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It's my untouched WB2.1 that I'm trying to boot to now and still no go. I'm starting to remember how much I hate the Guru screen.
I'm going to see if I can re-prep DH0 while the 2.04 ROM is installed and see what happens then, otherwise I'll reinstall KS1.3 and start from scratch with it, see if I can convince it to play nice.
Thanks for the offer, I bought a bunch of chips from a bloke in Germany and am just waiting for them to turn up so I can fit them. KS3.1, ECS Denise and Paula and a few others. Also a couple of spare KS2.04 ROMs, I'll try them also just to make sure it's not my ROM causing this.
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It has to be some sort of configuration problem, I've tried it in 7 different A500s (purely because I'm frustrated) and it works with 1.3 ROMs in each of these, but gurus with 2.04 ROM.
At least as an auto-booting drive.
If it's set to not boot (1.2 jumper) then it will load up fine and works quite well when I mount it in workbench 2.1
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Your problem with 2.05 ROM may caused by the ROM revision!
Do you use what kind of ROMs? Version 37350 have no use in A500/+. Neither 37300. Prefer versions under it (i.e. 37299 or less). Versions ~300 and ~350 have the internal IDE controller of the A600 inside, who could cause problems with another controllers...
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Not sure why you keep trying with KS 2.04, just use 1.3 or 3.1 and be done with it. 2.x sucks anyhow
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rkauer, I don't have 2.05 ROM. I have the A500/2000 version 2.04 ROM. No IDE controller in that one.
TJLazer, I'm persisting with it because it's what I've got at the moment and I'd prefer to use workbench 2.1 than 1.3
Never mind though, I'll give it a rest until I get these other chips and can give them a try.
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Methuselas wrote:
You got an extra one of those AddIDE? I've been looking for one, for a while now. :-(
Sure do! It's going on Ebay this week with a 200meg hard drive with ICD's mounting bracket. The whole thing - manuals, disks, nifty-cool LED, the works. Keep an eye out for it. :-o
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Well it may be that 1.3 is the best ROM for this, I replaced 1.3 in mine and it now works 100%. (had 3.1 iin it) The problem I had was after a GURU it would hang on black screen. I would have to reset to recover...
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That's really annoying then! I'd have far preferred to use it with a better version of workbench. I should probably just ditch that idea and save up for an A1200...
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Methuselas wrote:
You got an extra one of those AddIDE? I've been looking for one, for a while now. :-(
As promised, here it is AdIDE2 on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160090634926&rd=1&rd=1)
Good luck! :-)
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OldSchool wrote:
As promised, here it is AdIDE2 on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160090634926&rd=1&rd=1)
Good luck! :-)
You tha MAN! :-D
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@OldSchool
Not trying to hijack this thread or anything, but how well does the AdIDE2 work with an A1000?
I actually saw your auction earlier today before seeing this thread, and thought about bidding on it. :)
Wish there was a Buy It Now option. 8-)