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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: eniac on January 28, 2007, 08:58:45 AM
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amiga have made a very very poor decision going with PPC instead of x86 for OS5.
market forces dictated that we need a standard so things are compatible. if Amiga had gone with x86, EVERYBODY would be able to run it. not just people who manage to find the hardware to run it.
THAT DESICION IS A SAD DAY FOR AMIGA. THERE IS A FOLLOWING BUT EVENTUALLY THEY WILL DISAPEER.
I CALL ON ALL AMIGA USERS TO FLOOD AMIGA WITH EMAILS ASKING FOR THEM TO SWITCH TO X86. IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO SURVIVE.
PLEASE GIVE US AN ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS.
who the hell is going to buy a ppc computer?
Edited by Argo: Profanity
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now a thread I can bite into; I completely agree with this. Modern x86 chips are (as we know better than any other platform user base), very capable of emulating the older stuff. Mac went that was, (I know), so should we.
It would give the development community reason to accept Amiga once again. -there is still room for custom chips if the OS can handle it at that level. porting would be easier and we'd see the dream kept alive.
I think that OS4 is the vital chain in this; what I mean is people need to see OS4 and regard it as a serious contender (albeit on a small user base), and that may spur interest in developing apps for an OS5.
I'd be a supporter of this (mm how many times did I say that in the CBM years)....
:lotsacoffee:
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You lost me at the ALL CAPs.
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please forgive my passion
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When was it decided that OS5 would be PPC only?
Unless I missed something vital, the last info regarding OS5 was in Bill's 20Q where he said that OS5 would be a multi-platform OS.
If I am wrong, please correct me!
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The problem is that we, Amigans, have already lost the power to bring HW innovations. The times of revolutionary custom chips are over and forgotten. So we had to rely on innovations of others... like we relied on PPC. However we lag so much that meanwhile we adjust to new HW platform, the platform itself is no more new, innovative nor generally supported.
Either we stick to mainstream HW with the hope it remains mainstream in the future so we have enough time to adjust or we bet on some innovation with the risky hope it will become more popular in the future.
What a pity that one of the possible mainstream solution (Amithlon) was killed.
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Yup, as I see it, we need to use the best hardware available. No one is going to produce multi Ghz boards for us in the hope that OS5 sells millions of copies. The best we can hope for is cheap and readily available hardware for the OS we want to use.
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eniac wrote:
who the hell is going to buy a ppc computer?
I would, I love PPC. I bought two other PPC-based boards just this week.
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When was it decided that OS5 would be PPC only?
You're right, it never has been mentioned that OS5 would be PPC-only.
So this thread is completely bogus. (Apart from the fact that OS5 is only a pipe-dream of McEwen).
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Oh wow I've been wanting to use this icon thingey for ages... now where is it... ah yes, here ---> :horse:
:-D
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Erm, we all know that OS5 is pure vapour, right ? So what does it matter on what hardware it will run if it were real ?
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I would, provided that i could afford it.
PPC is cool ;)
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I thought that AmigaOS 5 would be platform independant, so that the 'Amiga Anywhere' idea could take off and not like AOS4 and stuck to one restricted platform. Then we can run AmigaOS 5 on any machine whether its an AmigaOne, a PC, a Mac, a PDA, a console, a STB or a smartphone. Wouldn't that be a better goal to aim for than just x86?
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@ AJCopland
I like the period version:
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/Odd_Job/BeatDeadHorse.gif)
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@X-ray
Appropriate too considering how long this x86 vs. PPC argument has been going on for! :-D
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(http://koft.net/pix/dh.gif)
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ahhh sorry koaftder but the one from X-ray is much more elegant :-) (joking)
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man i'm calling the animal rights people...
if os 5 was on pc who would pay out for dragon or shark? seems silly to me looking at the price difference...
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Platform doesn't really matter too much...
Multi Platform OS would be nice though, PPC AND x86 would be nice.. with a multi format executable like apple have..
Personally I like the PPC approach, if we could get decent hardware out there anyway... Probably if sticking with PPC style the next processor in line should probably be the cell processor....
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amiga have made a very very poor decision going with PPC instead of x86 for OS5.
Amiga INC has said that OS5 is planned to be multiplatform and x86 is one of the platforms they had in mind..
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:roflmao: (at the above pics)
eniac wrote:
"who the hell is going to buy a ppc computer?"
Plenty decent embeded devices have one. Let's see, PS3, XBox360, Wii (or whatever that's called ..), many settop boxes also have one (The Dreambox was an excelent example)..
If Amiga wants to get a niche market it has to bet on it's differences that might give it some strenght not try to be like everybody else :lol: PPC is one advantage and with AmigaOS it flies (well, will fly more when some other parts of the OS get updated but it's already good right now).
I've promised myself I wouldn't post more about this.... :horse: :sleep:
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Oh wow I've been wanting to use this icon thingey for ages... now where is it... ah yes, here --->:horse:
Damn! You beat me to it!
Besides, we already have a Amiga-like x86 (and shortly x86_64 and maybe PPC native) called AROS (http://www.aros.org). I've had quiet enough of having my perferred OS being held captive by either a dead or zomby corp. I ain't going to take it no mo!
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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since it is all vapor anyway...
why not an "INTUITION tm" cpu
it will be a dual core 128bit cpu with 4 no 6 math units
the video chip will be called anna-marie-lorengo-fanchisi that will be a 1024 bit chip capable of 64 bit planes and 33 million colors on an ntsc or pal tv
the bus chip will be called bustard it will handle pci isa pcix zorro
well keep paula though no need to ugrade that
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Couldn't agree more with this....why must whoever currently owns Amiga ( pick a year ) always drive it further into the ground. The stuff Amiga Inc currently trys to sell, like software, games, apparel, etc...would have sucked back when Amiga 500 first came out, and I wouldn't have bought any of it then, let alone now. All I want it that you just let us build a nice X86 system, on our own, and develop the OS for us period!!!! Give us a web browser, the ability to watch on web video, etc. like any other OS can do...that's it!........Does anyone really think it is of any value to keep building stuff like new accelerator boards, add-ons, etc... to only get you up to a couple hundred megahertz nowdays, or have heavily patched drivers etc.... I have had several Amigas lately to play around on, and have sold them off when I grew bored with them. The classic machines are stuck in a time warp, you can only do so much. I mean it is insane to pay $1000 for an out of date accelerator when you can buy a brand new X86 kick-ass system for $1000
I am absolutely dying to get back to using the AMIGA OS...but truthfully could care less about the actual computers or hardware anymore, it's stuff that most people threw in the garbage 10 years ago.
Amiga Inc Hyperion or whoever owns OS4 now, I am the person you are trying to sell stuff to....LISTEN TO ME...I want your OS in place of windows or mac or linux....I want your OS to boot my new machine, and run my new machine!!! I want it to not suck like it is 15 years out of date....build it for X86 with the OS5 release, and I WILL BUY IT!!! :-)
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KThunder wrote:
well keep paula though no need to ugrade that
Hehe! Nice to see you're fully into the C= way of thinking! :-)
- Ali
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In a nut shell, Amiga are only supporting those, who put there money where there mouth is, and actually went out and bought a ppc amiga, or ppc expansion for there a1200/a4000`s.
Although classic os is not dead, they have to move forward at some point.
Changing from 68000 to ppc was a big jump and risk to take. Then through all that advancment, why would they throw all that away in one passing swop of os 4.0 to os5.0 to take on xxx86.
it would piss off a lot of users and investiors,
aaah to live once more with the sane.
:headwall:
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eniac wrote:
SOCK-PUPPET.
Did you misplace your death-metal wannabe avatar with the glowing eyes?
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I think it's a good thing that they will support more than one processor family when (if) AOS 5.x comes out. What concerns me is if it will be able to compete with the new OpenKODE 1.0 (http://www.khronos.org/openkode/) specification. If not they may just adopt it outright.
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SamuraiCrow wrote:
I think it's a good thing that they will support more than one processor family when (if) AOS 5.x comes out. What concerns me is if it will be able to compete with the new OpenKODE 1.0 (http://www.khronos.org/openkode/) specification. If not they may just adopt it outright.
Yay, another API to learn, just wonderful. Even better, Native C API, so you can expect most developers to be writing their own C++ layers ontop of it, and perhaps open C++ apis on top of OpenKode, of which people will write their own layers of deficiency ontop of the c++ layer on top of openkode. And with time comes rot, so it will probably be a rotten mangled API in 4 years like every other API out there.
W00t, can;t wait to start.
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What is the Amiga inc. value?
10 Millions $?
20 Millions $?
30 Millions $?
50 Millions $?
What is the Hyperion Entertainment value?
10 Millions $?
20 Millions $?
30 Millions $?
50 Millions $?
So we I Think if not impossible someone make an offer, buy Amiga inc. and Hyperion , start to produce an OS for X86.
The only problem is that Bill won't sell . . . .. . .
PPC is out of production in 2012
Legal trouble Amiga inc - Hyperion , is a very damn thing.
I have a friend that can make a good offer. :rtfm:
Developers are waiting a STANDARD new Amiga,
whitout this , we have no future.
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ematech wrote:
PPC is out of prodution in 2012
Where on earth did you get that from?
If you want AmigaOS on x86, take a look at Aros. They already have a head start, and it's looking good.
Not as it's a selling argument, but if you're into assembler programming, give PPC asm a try. Compared to x86, it will knock you off the chair.
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So why does Genesi will make avaible soon their Pegasos III with double PPC, both dual core ? :rtfm:
You want to "relive" Amiga ? make it new games that kick ass like in 80's
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http://www.power.org
probable the new ppc architecture in 2012 is not very compatible with predecessor and high cost , so amiga Os for ppc will be a very small market and trouble compatibility.
I intend the classic chrp PPC architecture, is out of prodution in 2012
we cannot be IBM hostages.
rewrite amiga os every new ibm products?
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This is just getting too ridicilous, these are just your assumptions and speculations.
Where on power.org? Please link directly to the article.
I can hardly imagine that they have to rewrite the entire OS just for a new-gen CPU. They most likely will modify and recompile the existing code, which takes a fraction of the time required to rewrite the entire OS.
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x86 is an arse to program for compared to PPC.
The more important issue though is whether it is an open or closed system.
Even if they did change to x86, I have no doubt that Amino would "do an Apple" and only let AmigaOS run on THEIR x86 box. Which they will make a few thousand of and then stop. Just as they have done with PPC.
I can't wait for Amino to go broke so tha Amiga can be free to run on generic hardware. This, or an AmigaOne emulator for x86 systems, are the only viable ways forward I can see.