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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: Starke on January 25, 2007, 04:03:49 AM
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Dear Amiga community,
I got a few ideas here, that may help boost up sales, hopefully in a positive state then negative.
As the Amiga OS4, when it finally comes out on the New Amiga Computer, is meant to be AWESOME, Website here:
http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php%3Foption=content&task=blogsection&id=6&Itemid=30.html
Why dont we all spend 50 bucks, use our design programs, to create some cards, that display some important web pages, like the one above, allowing people who may then take some interest to atleast read about the new Amiga OS4, and then print em out peoples.
Place them in letter boxes around your area, and before you know it, New Amiga people may emerge, as everyone is sick of Windows Crap, and Bill gates's Aholeness.
Cheers
AND DO IT, For the AMIGA,
If you really dont want Amiga to die completely, then lets all give it one last shot for this awesome company thats been through so much.
I Say, We need to do this, atleast so people are informed. Do you even realise the amount of people out there that decide to choose a Mac, coz they dont know about Amiga, or what an AMiga is.
Its time to renegade, Let the resistance shine, I say, we do this, and the world will become a better technological place.
Cheers.
http://www.amigainnovations.com/
Even if we get them to buy emulators, everything will help for Amiga. Maybe Amiga will realise then, and then finally start getting more serious again.
8-)
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... deleted... it's just not worth it.
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Hey Buzz,
Explain, what isnt worth it will you, to the rest of the Amiga community?
After doing so, maybe go get urself a pc with Windows on it, as you are putting down the very thing you have tattoed on your arm.
If you dont wanna be a drag, then face reality, Life goes in mysterious ways, and I more than anyone know, theres always a chance for a turnaround.
SO
DO NOT assume its not worth it due to your technical mind, but review the situation that not everyone is like you, and that there are a lot of mutual people out there, who arent sure what to get, and yet alone what is a good OS, or Computer. 8-)
Also, There is always a chance, in todays world, you just dont know.
Amiga isnt dead, Amiga is still alive, coz if it were fully dead, you or me wouldnt even be here either.
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Err... so you're proposing an ad campaign for an OS that you can't buy, which was only released for a limited amount of overpriced underspecced hardware that you also can't buy?
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@buzz: I should have deleted too, but couldn't help it! :-D
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While I admire your enthusiasm (actually I used to be just like that in the mid to late '90s), today I do not think there is a lot of force left into either the company behind Amiga or a lot of users' trust/belief that Amiga will ever regain its rightful place at the top. Too many wasted opportunities, the lack of funding and the ever increasing strength of the Microsoft empire will ensure that Amiga stays nothing but a geek machine existing in the suburbs of IT world.
There was a time when Amiga could have been saved, perhaps 9-10 years ago, when there were still lots of companies actively producing new hardware (think of Phase5), but nowdays AmigaOS is just an OS for the nostalgic type of user, for people who grew up with the Amiga, and who know how to appreciate its unique features and functionality over the eye-candy, kitsch user interface of Windows where functionality and efficiency have always been precluded in favour of what Microsoft wants the average user to be (and which is, sadly, what the majority of Windows users are).
In order for Amiga to became a viable mainstream platform once again a lot of development would need to be put in, a modern browser would have to be ported, but unfortunately those tasks cannot be accomplished by hobbyists and no one has the capital that would be necessary to invest in order to make up for the time wasted so far...
The bottom line is, if you like the Amiga, learn to appreciate it, maybe get a classic machine, and see how much can it do for a computer built some 15-20 years ago. But do not get your hopes too high, cause it ain't gonna happen, and I really wish I was wrong.
Just my 2 cents. ;-)
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Dear peoples,
I am not proposing an advertising campaign as you are thinking, more so just pointing out to people, that If they buy an Amiga emulator OS 3.9, the advantages of even doing such a thing.
Also, with OS4, I am more so aiming to make more people aware that Amiga is an excellent choice over any PC, especiallay IBM or Microsoft orientated pieces of Equipement(SH*T).
I geuss overall, I am trying to say, we should all grow some balls outside our computer rooms, and actually give it a chance, a shot, if we all do this, I am sure people will start choosing Amiga emulators over windows sh*t, as well as Amiga then noticing more of a change, and then in turn, perhaps more of a need to hurry it up and Build there new Amiga computer with OS4 and in future, to have more products for the new and upcomming Market of new users to the Amiga world.
SIMPLE HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-)
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I can't see how it would work. Sure, it would be nice if Amiga was popular again, but most people like to be able to walk into a store and buy a computer, and know that they'll be able to get parts anywhere. I hardly think that's the case with Amiga. Sure, it may be a user friendly/nice alternative to Windows (no virus/spyware threats, etc), but realistically, people want their computers to be -
1) Compatible with everyone else's computer (ie, Mac Office)
2) Cheap and easily available
That means that for the most part, regardless of whether we hire skywriters to do a huge "Amiga OS4" sign, or whether we put papers in everyone's letterboxes, it's just not effective and they won't buy into it.
If hardware and software were readily available, sure, it would be different. But why would people who don't already know about Amiga want to emulate an outdated OS on their much more powerful Windows/Mac machines? For games, perhaps, but without hardware being available, it's just going to remain a geek platform for us miggy users of old. :-(
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The Avatar says it all - clear evidence of a substantial head injury.
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Lets assume alenppc,
That in the end, Amiga does come out with its new Amiga computer and OS4 in Early April as said, what if their strategy was to take the market by surprise, for eg. suddenly not only new Amiga computers come out, but also other Electronical devices? Etc. etc.
Also, Who's to say that, if all of the Amiga community groups, started to distribute these cards with good and valid internet websites written on them, that people wouldnt start thinking, well, its only $85 bucks, for three dvd's worth of stuff, and various emulated Amiga OS, lets just get it and see four ourselves.
All in all, I believe thers still a chance left, even today, for Amiga to start growing again, not number one perhaps no, but number two is still plausible.
After all It aint over until the FAT lady sings,
AND I HAVENT HEARD HER SING YET!
8-)
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Darklight:
Its not a popularity contest at the moment, more so, an informative contest.
SOoooooooooooooooooooooooo many people out there just dont know what and how well an AMIGA OS works, even the EMULATED ones already help windows along.
That alone would be helpful to many.
Cheers
And we arent all old. 8-)
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Number two plausible? *cough* Which planet do you hail from? Nr. 2 would mean a bigger market than Linux, than MacOS. Oh and a big dump too.
The fat lady sang a long time ago, I just can't grasp that there are still people out there who can't seem to accept that any Amiga-derived platform is commercially as dead a Jurrassic age dodo.
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Shillard:
Atleast my avatar also indicates power.
Although yours is meant to be a jet, one can just make it out by looking at it vigorously, otherwise I coulda swarn your Avatar was a penis whereby the balls had come off.
No Insult intended, but anything is possible, we all know this, but if people like you dont want to admit that there is always a chance to change the past, ie, look at germany now compared to after ww2, then, they must be ignorant.
Cheers mate, I like my Avatar, it indicates more than what you made it out to be.
8-)
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It's a Colonial Viper Mk II, not a "jet".
Not only as mad as a cut snake, but ignorant of the military equipment of the 12 Colonies as well.
Hopeless!
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OK ODIN:
If thats the case, then why the fuk is Amiga innovations telling me the new Amiga computer is due to come out in early april of this year with the new OS4 on it??
Maybe you better talk to this guy for us, and ask him personally, if Amiga is totally dead, or still has a slight heartbeat.
Heres the link Mate:
http://www.amigainnovations.com/
and heres the email address to retrieve Dwayne Osborne:
Amiga Innovations [sales@amigainnovations.com]
Cheers 8-)
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Starke wrote:
No Insult intended, but anything is possible, we all know this, but if people like you dont want to admit that there is always a chance to change the past, ie, look at germany now compared to after ww2, then, they must be ignorant.
Ah, so your plan is for the offices of Amiga Inc to be split in two, occupied by the armed forces of the USA, UK, France and USSR (well, Russian Federation now, I suppose) for 50 years, receive a massive injection of World Bank funds, be the primary potential battleground for the land component of WWIII, become the manufacturing pinnacle for automobile technology, be reunited into one corporate entity, and produce food & wine of questionable value?
If only I'd realised that at first. Sounds like a piece of piss - you're right, I'll get onto your suggestion straight away.
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I've seen a gazillion 'New Amiga Computers!!!!111!' over the last 13 years been announced. From the Walker to the A/Box to the BoXer. And what has the net result been? A bunch of buggy rebadged PPC boards running OS4 and a bunch of other PPC boards running MorphOS. Woop-dee-doo.
And after 13 years somebody announces another 'New Amiga Computer!!!111!' which will take over the world, solve worldhunger and give me a fluffy bunny?
Time for a realitycheck.
-edit- As for why that webshop is telling you the fuk that? I don't know. Sure, there might be finally someone able to deliver another PPC board which can run OS4, but I'll believe it when I see it. And then what? How will you sell the world (that is, the world outside Amigaland) this PPC board+OS4?
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What I'm trying to say, enjoy the various Amiga-platforms for what they are: cool hobby platforms. Don't expect the second coming of Jay Miner anytime soon from any company, especially if that company wears the name 'Amiga'. Like I said, commercially as dead as a dodo.
That webshop you linked is a nice example: it lists exactly 24 Amiga products, of which one is a T-Shirt ;-).
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shillard wrote:
It's a Colonial Viper Mk II, not a "jet".
Not only as mad as a cut snake, but ignorant of the military equipment of the 12 Colonies as well.
Hopeless!
Actually, isn't that ship in your avatar from Project X? =)
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My Main Man, ODIN:
Not dead like a dodo.
Amiga is not completely dead, do you understand now, If you are all so dedicated to you Hobby, and Amiga and Hyperion are doing OS4, then surely you can see the light?
If we all started to do our bit, and started creating some excellent stuff to run on the Amiga platforms, then perhaps in time, Amiga will be more so again.
But like this, all of you sittin on your asses, expecting some giant Corporation to buy Amiga Inc and perhaps Hyperion too I suppose is what your thinking, then thats wrong.
Would you help your Family if they were in need yes. However you probably wouldnt do it for a friend. I WOULD.
So Amiga is my friend, so I am going to help it, with or without this Amiga community, but it'd be a shame, as if we all were like a flock of fish, we would manage to grow into bigger fish, instead of dying and waiting for the new born to take over.
Cheers,
And I will commence when I get home from work again, to talk to all you guys, and tell you more of my propositions as well as all the things we could be doing to help Amiga to be recognised as a threat again.
8-)
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True friends know when their friends are suffering and in dire need of euthanasia...
That said, my A4000 is far from dead :-D.
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By the way ODIN, that webshop is Australian based, which means, ofcourse you wont see many products, as Amiga is not a KULT here.
Whereas Amiga is still flourishing in UK, Germany, and still going in America and Spain. Ofcourse various other parts of Europe also.
But In Australia, forget it, If I manage to get all my freinds and mates to support Amiga, that would make up most of the other Amiga users.
If I am wrong, which I must be, Id expect more than just 30 people Using amigas in Australia, then where the hell are they?
Why arent we all giving it our all for this Company. We know what it can do, and with backing from people all over the world helping, it will be better than various other current companies in assets.
8-)
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The Amiga isn't flourishing anywhere. If it was there would be hundreds, nay thousands of visitors at usergroup meetings and Worlds of Amigas.
The last show I was at here in The Netherlands was a farce, a couple of years ago in Rotterdam. Only a few hundred folks turned up. Still, I can say that I saw OS4 before I died ;-).
However there might be one bright future ahead for Amiga-minded devices: retro-gaming. And the Messiah in that department is His Holiness Dennis :-D.
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ODIN,
I follow THOR, and my heritage also.
On that note, check out German websites of Amigas, some of them will show you Amiga nuts going to functions. At these functions there are thousands of Amiga enthusiasts.
DO NOT tell me it is not flourishing, assuming is no good, I may have used the wrong word though.
REPHRASE:
I meant, Heaps of people are still using amigas and creating things for it, what if we all done this, but also decidd to donate towards Amiga instead of just a website.
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Right.
I'm just gonna paraphrase InTheSand now and say "I should have deleted too, but couldn't help it!" Alenppc basically said everything that I meant to say in his first post in this thread, only much better than I have so far ;-).
-Dammit, I really can't help it-
So point me to these functions with thousands of Amiga-fans.
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Starke, while your enthusiasm is all good 'n that, you should really brush up on your recent Amiga history (5-10years) to get a clearer understanding of where things are really at, (as opposed to where you -think- they are).
It's like you've turned up to the OS4/A1 party, stone cold sober at 5am. The few remaing people are tired and irritable and just want to go home to their -classic- Amigas.
I think Dwayne may have been having a friendly joke at your expense, when he told you "early April" ie, April 1st.
If so, good for him! ;-)
ps: "I should have deleted too, but couldn't help it!"
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The Avatar says it all - clear evidence of a substantial head injury
No one is suggesting that Amiga is going to to vie for for world domination with the likes of microshaft or crapple, but starke has a point. Defeatism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't think its an outrageous suggestion to ask a.org memebers to (gasp) promote the Amiga brand. Whats outrageous is the banal, predictable, rude and downright negative response such a request elicits from supposed fellow Amiga "supporters". Do us all a favor and take your negativity over to wintel.org..
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ODIN:
I will gladly post the links to you, but I am going to Training now. It is 6:20pm here.
I just quickly logged on at home to let you know that I havent forgotten about your request, but traffic was a Bitsch to get home today.
Cheers 8-)
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YEAH! Finally, someone who understood what Ive been trying to say from the word GO!
Thank you kindly SIR StopTheGop!
You are now Officially an Amiga man through and through, if no one knew that already.
And yeah, you make a point too, why are they all so negative, I am 25, A bit of younger blood amongsth the midst here, and all Im getting is negativity, when yet I can see there still is a potential, no matter how small the glimmer may be, its still glimmering, this is evident.
Unfortunately, as much as Id like to stay here and give people sample links who are in doubt and so forth, I must be off to badminton in 5 minutes, and I still gotta get ready.
So I will LEAVE ALL THE REAL FELLOW SUPPORTERS OF AMIGA WITH THIS:
GO HARD!! And never say die until something is no longer being used at all, of which 0s3.9 isnt too old either, Emulation Yes, But still, Imagine AMIGA on all pc type Platforms as a standalone OS.
Now that we surely regain some type of power for the AMiga Company.
Either way, I am full of Ideas and Im going to try and carry them all out for Amiga, since Amiga seem to have the need of some type of Support, Im going to give it to them.
If you all do the same, who knows what the future would bring, Maybe Amiga will be a much bigger platform, instead of just enthusiasts.
To think, Ive done all this in 1 week and 3 days, 2 days with this Amiga.Org. I am glad to be a man who expresses his thoughts openly. 8-)
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In all fairness, if amiga had been headed up by the likes of bill gates, this sight wouldnt be hear, and in its place would be pc.org.
If some one walks into pcworld, they ask for that, a pc. Not a Mac, or Amiga. Beause it`s the 2 letters thats ingrained on every punters mind. People are sheep!!!!
They don`t care if it`s an ibm or a sony. All they can say is pc, intel, how cheep. They are not intrested in the amount of times it crashes in a session, or the operating system.
And It`s that problem we have to get around.
Kids are the future, target them!!! Get Amiga DE out on xbox, ps3 or that nintendo weeee thingy. The ranks will start to swell again.
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good god, what is the deal with these threads? Amiga INC is just another company. If they put out a product worth buying I'll spend my money, if they don't, screw 'em. I'm as much of an Amiga fan as the next guy but i'm not all religious about it.
Props to AROS
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If some one walks into pcworld, they ask for that, a pc. Not a Mac, or Amiga
There's no second hardware source for running MacOS X, hence they have issues in the business world.
The current Mactel is basically UEFI(Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) enabled Intel X86 PC with a specific Apple TPM. Apple's PCs(both PPC and X86) are manufactured by ODMs like Foxconn(WinFast, Leadtek) and ASUS.
They are not intrested in the amount of times it crashes in a session
Any applications in AmigaOS can bring the whole system down.
Rouge userland application doesn’t bring down Windows NT/2K/XP system. (BSOD) “Blue Screen of Death” in NT/2K/XP are mostly caused by kernel land code(e.g. driver) going rouge.
And It`s that problem we have to get around.
Haven't you leant anything from VHS vs Betamax wars?
One of the problems with Amiga Inc and Apple is their business models.
Using StarWars analogy i.e. the clone army (unified X86 PC hardware vendors) defeated the Jedi Knights.
Dito, for prop AROS and WinUAE/Amikit...
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koaftder wrote:
good god, what is the deal with these threads? Amiga INC is just another company. If they put out a product worth buying I'll spend my money, if they don't, screw 'em. I'm as much of an Amiga fan as the next guy but i'm not all religious about it.
Props to AROS
a sensible post
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Starke wrote:
I am glad to be a man who expresses his thoughts openly
pity you arnt a man who gives a dam about the suffering he is causing to others. ive had enough of your idiotic bull. shutup and go and shout at yourself in front of a mirror to express yourself
:destroy:
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Whats interesting is you always see the same people appearing in threads like this, putting down anyone enthusiastic about future Amiga's. Who's more stupid?
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MUCKER:
Amiga do need to bring out some good stuff, and they are capable of it, In a way, It would be good to see Hyperion take over AMiga Inc, and carry on Amiga's name, But in a bigger picture, we need more than this, lets get HP, or others to start funding for Amiga, and helping it become an excellent choice once again, rather than living in a wolrd of, WAL MAN, The Amiga OS is still amazing.
The younger market want games, so Amiga Inc should to both, Amiga os4 running newly made games,
This is where we need to get Game companies heloping Amiga again.
ANother point to be made here, I believe it is possible for all this to happen, But it cant be done with just three people, So i am trying to find people from Amiga communities, such as this one, and sourcing them out, especially the intelligent ones in a business minded sense, and wishing to go all out for one last chance to revive Amiga toatlly over the Mac and other platforms.
My Aim, to make Amiga 2nd, even start of with 3rd yes, but 2nd is the overall aim here.
Once this happens, only time will tell If amiga will be Number one in 50 years or less to come.
HELP EACHOTHER, like a pack, or a flock do!
Cheers
8-)
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NEON32:
Excellent point with what you said here.
Trust me, there are so many enthusiasts here, but none of this matters if none of them are willing to come up with solutions to a problem here.
Theres a bigger picture, and most of the people on here are missing the overall point, instead they want to keep their old Amigas, until they die, and hope that the Amiga dies with them. Explain this to me??? Why is this so??
If they love Amiga so much, even enough to create these wonderful forums for Amiga users, and these sites are also made from Amiga people, then why arent we all finding ways to make it Happen, instead of arguing with someone who comes along, that may have been similar to me, and trying to put them down??
Whats with that? I thought they would all jump to the opportunity to give good suggestions and say, well look, this is what we have done already:
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you know, give the people wanting to help Amiga a clue of what has been done to help Amiga.
But instead Im getting the majority f them being like a pack of wild animals??? Thats not AMIGA, thats something else.
Back in the day when I was young, Amiga people helped Amiga people totally, they always tried to give advice on what can be done to improve this, or improve that.
So now all what im doing, is asking people to help me and my colleagues on what can be done to Improve this situation, of Amiga having a faint heartbeat, and trying to save AMIGA, so Amiga lives on in the future, rather than being stuck in a museum as a piece of ornamentary.
Kind Regards
your amiga bud 8-)
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I Wish....
In my sad demented opinion I think investors and business would be to scared to invest in a technology that has no major starting base or existing market.
But,, I mostly use my PC for Video(DVDs), Music(MP3s etc) and the Web(email/browsing). Like everybody else in the PC world. If OS4 and the elusive hardware package does that and I don't have to spend $3K Au to get it ($2.1K US)
Then I'm in.
Everybody else wants to run Microsoft stuff at home cos they do at work. They want to play BF2142 and Warcraft etc. How does little 'ole OS4 and minimal hardware support get over that hill. I hate being negative but I've seen the long road all the way from '85
OS.4 & hardware needs to have "boing" factor to get anywhere, Its no good offering an alternative to the crowd. It needs to stand out. :-o
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GERTSY:
I concur.
You are right, Amiga needs more boing factor. Problem is, it can happen, but not enough Amiga users alone wish to support that.
So Amiga Inc aside, even Hyperion is starting to wonder if they should or shouldnt continue, and the Amiga niche market is growing smaller every coupla months, or even sooner, but anyway,
Your point is a valid one, and I will take it into account when dealing with Hyperion
Thank you
Kind Regards
Amiga booster 8-)
P.S.Why that pic for your avatar?
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I remember when the A1000 came out there was nothing like it as a complet package. If only OS4.0 and the hardware could be that "revolutionary".
Imagine (I wish we could do more than that) It there were a new Amiga that could burn Blue Ray DVDs, Do Cinema Quality rendering and production. High quality sound production etc + all the standard PC things. Mmmm. Time to wake up...!
I'd buy it in a flash even if it cost $3K US
PS: My Avatar is an old FrankenGates pic from the Windows98 take over the world days. I found ages ago. A bit out of place now that he's no such a Philanthropist. I actually have great admiration for what he's doing. got up off his **** and is doing somthing physically, financially and long term for the 3rd world. It might help to say his mountain is much bigger than yours. But he also has more clout,, Unless,, You're not really Bill Gates are you?
BTW : Happy Australia Day.
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GERTSY:
I am happy to inform you my friend, no I am not Bill gates.
At the same time you make yet another valid point, here all of us are looking at his Aholeness when it comes to computers, but many of us dont look past that, and actually look at what hes trying to do for the third worlds copuntries.
Either way, I do need help in my crusade, but I know its going to take time to get people to speak up.
When I say this, I dont mean the come flying down here and the works, just helping eachother here to try and work out ways we can help Amiga grow again into something bigger.
Surely that is worth everyones time?
Why would you sit around waiting for the company to tell you what to do, when we the users, know what we want.
Im not much of a technical man in various aspects, but I do have speech, as im sure people may have noticed by now!
I also have action, that in itself is also a good thing for this to maybe work out for everyone AMIGA, and for even new users to AMIGA in the future, when we succeed here.
Then theres the will, and the faith, you gotta have faith in what you are doing, is the right thing to do. I believe it is.
I am going to make another post, not today, as I wont be able to be here and talk back on the wonderful or not so wonderful suggestions.
IN THE LONG RUN:
My plans are simple, get Amiga to be 2nd. I know it seems a little bit far fetched at the moment, but so did windows and bill gates at the time. But I geuss many have forgotton his humble beginnings.
I honestly believe if the Whole Amiga community, especially since the majority are younger folk, like myself, got together, and backed eachother up, that there is a big chance for a successful future for Amiga as a whole.
Having said that, no one should be expecting this overnight.
But I am really so sure about it, that it must happen, as many people out there are turning to Macs, Imagine the Macs were replaced by Amigas, We would have a bigger market already.
DAMN, I better stop and save it for my Important post that I will post, probly tomorow or tonight.
And it is important to me, as I still love Amiga, and my heart is in this, even if my knowledge isnt the best, but then, Ive started, Im in good hands here, although most people were negative towards me, I did notice some good ones come along and support me and backed me up, and they didnt even know me.
AND people, this is what we should do, back up the company. And if we dont like it currently, lets find ways to make it better. Its not that hard to do, what is hard to do, is to actually make them make it happen. But this is where numbers count.
And I think this is my longest ever post. So I geuss people can also tell by now, that I am serious and I am wanting to give this a shot, It would make it easier if it wasnt just me and a coupla mates.
Cheers 8-)
And lets try it together, how do we know the answer if we dont try?
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I feel to get into your post, I have to read it really loudly and quickly and be all :crazy:
really, the last chance to do all this stuff was over 10 years ago.
I'm another one of those evil persons who is content with his old hardware.
It's sad, but that's the way of things.
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Count me in Starke.
I think that we could at least give something a try even though it may appear bleak, but another few million/thousand Amiga users isn't bad is it?
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I think that we could at least give something a try even though it may appear bleak, but another few million/thousand Amiga users isn't bad is it?
I don't even think it's bleak after we remember how few A1/Pegs were sold when people had the chance to buy an "Amiga" again. The only real solution for a PPC OS4 is porting it to EFIKA. It's here and it's cheap. The expensive A1 and the cheaper (but still too expensive) Pegs could not match the cheapest modern x86 performance, sales show us all too well that fact. EFIKA doesn't even try to compete on the desktop market, and that's a smart move.
I'll stick with the open source "Amiga", AROS. I can not see how, especially with the nightmare IP issues OS4 has, it can be economically viable to survive. Once AROS native is ported to EFIKA, that should satisfy the PPC snobs. :-D
Dammy
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Starke, I think what you're forgetting is that many of the members here have been Amiga users since the early days (if not day 1) and have seen the downfall of Commodore, the promises from Escom, Gateway, and Amiga Inc, mistake after mistake (ie, QNX/Linux fiasco), and delay after delay and have been burnt by the platform they loved more times than they would care to count.
I'm only 22 myself (and another Australian) but had an A500 since not long after they came out here. I was too young to understand much of what happened in the 90's with Amiga (truth be told, I didn't even know about it), and only investigated Amiga again a few years back after I found a cheap A600 and decided to put an HD in it (I still have my 500 :) ). I read up on Amiga's history, and a lot of it shocked me - I hadn't known that Amiga's were still around in any form, the fact that there was still some life (albeit on a respirator) surprised me.
Since then I've built my collection and there've been many times when I've had similar thoughts - "You know, if I won the lottery, I reckon I'd buy Amiga Inc and get some stuff going again", much like most of us probably have. However, I can appreciate why some of the members here may appear cynical in the face of yet another Amiga revival idea. If it's not another "I want to build a new Amiga motherboard/expansion" thread, or a "I've made a new Amiga motherboard/expansion" thread, it's a "Why are we content to let Amiga die?" thread like this one.
I can appreciate why you've made this thread, and trust me, I've thought the same things numerous times, (had similar thought about other failed platforms too, such as the Dreamcast), but it certainly wasn't through lack of community spirit that the Amiga got to this stage in the first place.
Trying to get the Amiga to compete again in a world almost controlled by Microsoft/Apple seems to be a daunting if not completely impossible task for a platform so long in the tooth and relatively unsupported. To many (including myself), it's a wonderful pipe dream, but may seem as likely as the Spectrum becoming the exclusive platform for Halo 3.
I'd be happy to help 'revitalise' Amiga, but I think it may take infinitely more than you might imagine for it to even become as popular as a Linux distro. Still, it is good to see that there are still idealistic minds willing to help the cause :)
Sorry about the rant, once I started, I couldn't stop :lol:
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Starke wrote:
GO HARD!! And never say die until something is no longer being used at all
Do you say that to your girlfriend too? :lol:
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SteveSMS:
Yeah I did, that would explain her raving afterwoods.
But now shes more like an EX, with benefits.
I enjoy the peace I get now, With her, it was always, can u, can u, can u, and I was like, I gotta do stuff for me too.
I got a lot of ideas in my head, som already have been carried out. But, this posting is not about my life, its about ours.
Cheers. 8-)
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@Starke ... U joined January the 23. and already 77 posts.. :-O ... You got
to much sparetime *LOL*
But what fuc.... new computer are U talking about... There wont come a
new computer from Amiga. - And OS4 .?. Well... If and wenn released to ALL,
and not only the old A1 users we only got a motherboard... No computer...
And without a COMPLETE computer, there will only be a few 1000 or 100's
that will buy it... and thats the same thing as being dead... No familiy man
with money on the bank will buy something uncomplete. People with money
want to buy the real thing... not some "build your new computer" thing...
My version of iMac has cost me 1500 € (1950 $). I would pay that for an
complete uptodate amiga as well... But there wont be any... Eventhough I
wish it would come.... :) But then as the iMac... With Monitor and a clever
design with all build in, automatic and secure online update and and and...
I dont see it coming... long live my A1200 *LOL*
BTW -> Who on earth would nowadays want an OS4 that doesnt update
itself withou any effort... For NORMAL users... :D ... Even Windows Update
automaticly with Vista (puke) <-- Dont like windows :D
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Starke,
To condense things I'm going to reply to several of your posts in this one.
As the Amiga OS4, when it finally comes out on the New Amiga Computer, is meant to be AWESOME, Website here:
http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php%3Foption=content&task=blogsection&id=6&Itemid=30.html
I've looked before, I noted nothing AWESOME about OS4. Mind explaining exactly what it is you think is so AWESOME about it?
Why dont we all spend 50 bucks, use our design programs, to create some cards, that display some important web pages, like the one above, allowing people who may then take some interest to atleast read about the new Amiga OS4, and then print em out peoples.
How is this more effective than having the information available globally on several websites? Point being, OS4 isn't exactly news - it's been kicking around for about six years now. Any interest it's likely to generate has already been generated.
I Say, We need to do this, atleast so people are informed. Do you even realise the amount of people out there that decide to choose a Mac, coz they dont know about Amiga, or what an AMiga is.
Suppose for a moment they did find out about OS4 - why would they buy into a system that does *less*? That is, if they even could buy into OS4 - don't know if you've noticed but you can't buy it, even if you wanted to.
Also, with OS4, I am more so aiming to make more people aware that Amiga is an excellent choice over any PC, especiallay IBM or Microsoft orientated pieces of Equipement(SH*T).
Excellent choice in what way? Can you give specific examples, or is it just a "feeling"? By the way, not sure if you knew this but not only were IBM processors used in the AmigaOne, IBM got out of the PC business quite some time ago.
Are you Atheist?
if we all do this, I am sure people will start choosing Amiga emulators over windows sh*t,
Can you cite some reasons why someone would choose Amiga over Windows? I mean, you're going to be trying to convince people, so you had better have some reasons.
as well as Amiga then noticing more of a change, and then in turn, perhaps more of a need to hurry it up and Build there new Amiga computer with OS4
Amiga Inc. does not build computers, and they are not responsible for distributing OS4.
That in the end, Amiga does come out with its new Amiga computer and OS4 in Early April as said, what if their strategy was to take the market by surprise, for eg. suddenly not only new Amiga computers come out, but also other Electronical devices? Etc. etc.
You mean what if they were to compete against Apple as well as the PC industry?
Also, Who's to say that, if all of the Amiga community groups, started to distribute these cards with good and valid internet websites written on them, that people wouldnt start thinking, well, its only $85 bucks, for three dvd's worth of stuff, and various emulated Amiga OS, lets just get it and see four ourselves.
What is stopping them from doing that as things are today? The Amiga emulators didn't just show up last week, Cloanto has been selling their package for years now. NONE of what you're talking about is news. If masses of people were going to have an interest in Amiga, it would have happened by now.
Aside from that, you still have yet to explain specifically what advantages the unwashed masses would enjoy by switching to Amiga or OS4. Don't forget, you're going to have to explain how they can maintain the same level of computing that they have gotten used to; failing that you must explain why giving up things simply for the sake of using Amiga or OS4 is an advantage.
I have a better idea, why don't you go out and find a few people who use Windows, Linux or OS X and show them your Amiga emulator and see how they react. Don't forget to show them how they can do everything they currently do in their OS of choice today, or explain to them why they can just as easily do without it. Let us know how many of them switch.
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Jorkany:
My, my, thats a lot of blabber, Ive converted two people already.
NOW:
How many have you converted in the past week????
Let me geuss, Zilch.
So do not Judge the Judge.
Cheers
P.S. I cant be bothered debating this {bleep} no more, So Im posting a post either today or tommorow on what may be able to be done to help AMIGA.
If you dont like the fact that someone in the AMIGA community is so determined, despite the fact that the AMiga OS emulator isnt as good as OS4 is meant to be, but yet OS4 can not be used as an emulator, then I think:
Im gonna write it in my final posting, where everyone In the Amiga.org can view it, write to it, whatever.
BUT:
Any negativity, leave it to urselves, and sell you Amiga immedaitely, as your being negative, you may as well not have one. Coz ddep down inside, if you wanted AMIGA to succeed again in any way shape or form, then you would think of positives.
OVER AND OUT.
8-)
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Jorkany:
By the way, not everyone out there is aware about AMIGA.
THIS is a fact.
As the two a converted, didnt even know Amiga had made new OS's and that Amiga even had such a website, like Hyperion working for them, or whatever.
POINT:
Most people in todays worl, have not heard of Amiga, and those that have, are either nerds, or long time users, or used to own one when they were young, or back in the day
HENCE:
We nee to make amiga more aware to the wider community, we also need to have Amiga Inc and Hyperion join up with bigger companies, so that when Amiga does become more aware in the wider community, it will be more worth it for people to buy a complete system. 8-)
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My, my, thats a lot of blabber, Ive converted two people already.
NOW:
How many have you converted in the past week????
Converted? What type of cult scam are you running? Oh wait, you wanted $50 from the marks. Gotcha.
Dammy
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GO TO AMIGA NEEDS YOUR HELP.
Thats it from me with any other posts Ive made, not interested, Im more interested in help, for the Amiga platform and maybe computers.
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And so ends another A to Z, fruit-loop cycle.
A. Noob comes in with poorly researched and even more poorly articulated revival "ideas".
B. Gets shot down in various ways by resident sane people.
C. Noob ignores all rational arguments, rants a bit more repeating previously poorly articulated "ideas" providing no additional clarity.
D. Get shot down some more by sane folk.
E-X. C and D repeat if necessary until...
Y. Noob finally storms out leaving righteous final message in ALL CAPs.
Z. Forum residents, LOL!
The End!
...till the next one. (sigh)
ps: "I should have deleted too, but couldn't help it!"
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COLDFISH:
No Insult Intended, only reality towards you,
YOU are a ********************************wit.
IF you wouldve read what I wrote, there is no chance Im giving up and leading people on here. I wanna get this Happening. But if you wanna make yourself feel good by trying to make my name go down, THEN your no good for the AMIGA Community, so Piss off from the Amiga community site, and sell everything AMiga in your house.
(EDIT)
Sorry Coldfish,I didnt mean above totally, But dont assume anything. I dont like your vague insults, And Im a blunt type of person, usually, but Ive tried keeping it clean in this site. I wish to find bigger and better ways to help Amiga, instead of just buying some more products here and there. SO DO not say someone given up, only coz they didnt post in a particular post anymore, AS I SAID. AMIGA NEED YOUR HELP, is the only posting of concern now. I will delete these posts after Ive gotten the time to read through them again, as some people here have already written comments that may help the cause. OK)
(END EDIT)
Go To AMIGA NEEDs YOUR HELP.(My newest post)(intended for everyone to help to try and get Amiga Flowing again.)
I just cant be bothered with all the negative slother, and I seem to be attracting the wrong people, ones like you who couldnt give a shet about AMIGA's future.
(EDIT)
(If this isnt true, then please do not try and put me down, I will not burn, Not until Ive given it my best shot to help Amiga, so accept it)
By the way, You got an Amiga 4000t???
Let me know, as you wont be needing it anymore, after all, your not helping here are you?? OK, so sell it all.
(EDIT)
(Now this line is what happens when I get irrational, due to people assuming they know me, when yet clearly, I am not going to go away until I recieve help from the community, on what we all can do to help AMiga)
Kind Regards
To the moderators and the Main man Wayne, as well as the Amiga community, who keeps this forum alive for all genuine Amiga users.
Very Kind of you guys to have an open forum. I am trying to find ways to help Amiga. hence my last posting. AMIGA NEEDS YOUR HELP, go to it, its in the suggestions area.
8-) 8-) 8-)
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@Starke
Could you please try to keep this forum clean and don't open multiple threads where the topic is the same?
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Lets all calm down lads, this will only work if we all pull together.
Amiga is in a {bleep} state, without .org members turning on each other
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let's think happy thoughts , about kittens!
=^.^=
This is a result of not being able to take this thread seriously.
I think we really all have seen it all before, hence the large part of the reaction.
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I agree, people all mean well, but it`s all bin done to death old boy, untill a major player gets involved and puts machines on shelves in the public eye, the audiance aint gona sit up, listen and grow.
:shrug:
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Im with Starke , sitting and waiting aint gonna achieve anything . Yeah a big player needs to get involved . One day they may , a crowd only starts when there is something interesting to look at !
Starke , dude , your enthuisiam is pretty much how I feel . The Amiga did it for me years ago and will always remain a computer system that digged deep into my mind and made me happy . It may be out dated with lack of hardware and software but its still here and still alive . I think everyone realises the bleak situation but it can be reversed , slowly with a few people like Starke and once people start taking notice it will grow . Thats usually when a big player will take notice !
I suggest in the short term we post videos of old games and anything that relates to the Amiga on You tube and places of high traffic . You need to re-kindle old sparks . I have probably half a dozen mates with old Amiga 500's still in cupboards and attics and stuff . We need these out and in use !!!
You have my support ! Keep the enthuisiasm growing !
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BUGRACER:
No Problem,
While Im typing I may as well let everyone know here with the data Ive collected, I have recently found out that Amiga Inc Is not supporting Bill Gates. So whomever made that comment, it is wrong.
SO
This now changes things completely in where we should be helping. I believe we need to Help Amiga Inc yes, but we also should consider talking some sense into Hyperion, and not to go to court with Amiga inc over something that just isnt worth it for either company, nor the Amiga community.
Also, Mr.Hardware
http://www.mrhardwarecomputers.com/index.htm?85,95
I think it is still possible to retrieve systems here. I'll keep you posted on the informations and feed back I retrieve from him, and various other dealers.
I do know for a fact, although not as new hardware as one can recieve from MrHardware, yet alone hardly a variety, but AmigaInnovations.com, for those that would like the Amiga emulator OS on their PC systems, go here, 85 bucks for premium edition, as forementioned, well worth the buy, 1cd, 2*dvd's worth of Amiga video footage. Mr.Hayne also on it.
Cheers 8-) 8-)
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I am enthusiastic about kittens!
Hey, we all need to chill... go snow snorkelling or something.
(http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/snow_swimming.jpg)
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Must...resist....uuuuurge....to post!!!
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HEY! iv got a great idea!!!
Lets all buy playstation 3's and scratch the stickers off.
rebadge them as the AMIGA 3D. and sell them on ebay for 1000 dollars each!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO.
The rebirth of tha AMIGA!!!
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by mikrucio:
Lets all buy playstation 3's and scratch the stickers off.
rebadge them as the AMIGA 3D. and sell them on ebay for 1000 dollars each!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO.
With the power of the new generation of consoles and their prowess for emulation and storage capacity you could well do that.
Already people are booting up their X-Box/GameCubes on Linux - why not AROS or UAE?
I've thought for a while that it would be great to click Workbench icons by flailing your arms about with the Wii Nunchuk controller.
:-D
(http://cubemedia.gamespy.com/cube/image/article/706/706569/photo_nunchuk_1147222853.jpg)