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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Amiduffer on January 10, 2007, 02:56:47 AM
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Since there have been a lot of threads along the lines of "what games do you play?", "what kind of utilities do you use", etc. I was curious, does your Amiga actually generate some profit or significant income for you? Did you earn more than what you invested in the equipment? Leaving aside obvious people like Jens :-) are you someone who programs software, or produces videos or artwork, and have been successful at it? Has there been anything that you have done on the equipment, gotten you some recognition beyond our little community?
I remember, quite a few years back, some guy had a scheme for putting Amigas running Scala (or some such program) in mall kiosks and generating income from the advertising.
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I did quite a few renders, animations and presentations on the Amiga.
I got paid small amounts of money in some cases, but nowhere near what I spent on the hardware. In fact I would say the money I got didn't cover my raytracing software and graphics programs entirely.
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Sadly my Ami's have not generated income in many many years. I used to do audio work in my Ami based microstudio. Today that is all done on a dual core AMD system. It's a crashy little speed demon that is no where near as stable as my Ami's were. But the newer tools and utilities make it worth the pain of XP. Just make sure to hit the save button any time you make changes.
It's actually amusing in a way. The main recording package I use now comes with automatic change and version control for rollbacks and crash recovery. Even they admit how bumpy windows is, and tried to compensate for it. (Did an ok job of it too) I miss Studio 16/Bars n pipes.
Plaz
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does your Amiga actually generate some profit or significant income for you?
Yes. My Amiga generated profit (I currently do not own one), my current Pegasos 2 generates profit too, I hope my newest computer - an Efika, will generate some profit as well.
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No. But I'd like to think it's +/-0 if I where to sell of all my hardware one day.
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Krashan wrote:
does your Amiga actually generate some profit or significant income for you?
Yes. My Amiga generated profit (I currently do not own one), my current Pegasos 2 generates profit too, I hope my newest computer - an Efika, will generate some profit as well.
How does it do that? art? run a web business? desktop?
Hey Plaz, do you have any pictures of your AmiStudio? Can you upload them? You have little resemblance to John Denver. ;-)
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How does it do that?
For Amiga it was mainly design of peripherials (Prometheus namely). For Pegasos it was programming (MorphOS Team) and now scientific research.
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Krashan wrote:
For Amiga it was mainly design of peripherials (Prometheus namely). For Pegasos it was programming (MorphOS Team) and now scientific research.
Wow. Hard core. :-)
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My C64 and later my first A500 taught me enough to start as a computer professional in '90 - which is still feeding me today (of course I never stopped learning).
Sadly, the Amiga only briefly played an active role in my job, but it was where I discovered many basics I still use every day: programming/scripting, networking, client/server stuff, digital audio & video.
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Zac67 wrote:
My C64 and later my first A500 taught me enough to start as a computer professional in '90 - which is still feeding me today (of course I never stopped learning).
Sadly, the Amiga only briefly played an active role in my job, but it was where I discovered many basics I still use every day: programming/scripting, networking, client/server stuff, digital audio & video.
Very good point - it introduced a LOT of people to computer programming, many of whom went on to be computer professionals. So indirectly it made a lot of people money...
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I put an A500 in an arcade cabinet and made a few bucks when I sold it.
Parts < $300
Sold = $425, I think?
It was really good for Amiga arcade conversions that used the joystick with one button like Rodland and Bubble Bobble.
Amiga -> JAMMA is a really simple job btw.
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I discovered IT with Amiga, back in late 80's, when 12-14 y/o.
Now I'm DB architect and works as free lance consultant.
I didn't made any money with my Amiga, but what I am today is, for the most, due to my Amiga(s).
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I used to do a lot of Flyers and posters for Bands/Gigs,and get paid. Later on my Amiga imagine/lightwave work got me a job in the games industry, so that kind of counts.
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@Brian... Where do you live ?! I Would KILL for your collection of Amigas 8) Just kidding....! :D
Well... Actually... NO... You better run...!
Profit ? No... Just spend a lot of Cash$$$
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I made a lot of money on other peoples amigas over the years, doing repairs. :-D
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I have a home recording studio based around my Amiga 2500. I use Bars & Pipes, Samplitude & Normalize in the recording/mastering process and MakeCD to burn the master disc. CD master artwork is produced on this Amiga using PageStream, ImageFX, PersonalPaint, etc. and then sent to a printing shop for duplication.
With this setup I have produced several independently released music CDs which have earned me a few thousand dollars over the years. So perhaps I have broken even with what the hardware has cost me! :-)
There's actually a photo of it here:
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1690=8
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I wrote my resume which got me a good job, on my Amiga. Does that count as profit? My wife also publishes on it which is part of her job. Combined, our jobs "profit" six figures and change.
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Use my Amiga to edit videos: Wedding, music videos, promotional, and advertising videos.
It has payed for its self 50 times over.
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We used Amigas for our army TV studio/channel when I
was in Germany.
After that I used an Amiga for ambulance administration
and medical transportation scheduling in Florida, and
produced promos and such for booking band gigs.
Thats about it.
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I learned computer graphics and animation (DPaint) starting with my amiga. In fact, I learned how to use a computer from my Amiga!
From there I eventually was part of that pioneering group of people who went to Hollywood and changed the way things are done there (in terms of special effects).
the upshot is I have Emmy's because of Amiga.
not a bad deal.
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I get free 'puters from Genesi and sold my A1200, so yes, I have made profit with my Amiga :-P
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Profit ?
When I was contracting, I used to use the Miggy to fax my timesheets to HQ when I returned home, so I suppose it has made sure I didn't lose any money :lol:
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Great. Some nice stories there. Making a living off of such old equipment would seem pretty difficult, but its great if you're doing it!
Anyone else?
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I am a VJ (Video Jockey) and was working at a night club every week using my CD32/SX32 Pro and Supergen SX genlock and other equipment to add animation and music in realtime to what the DJ was playing at the club (electronica/Techno/Drum N Bass music).
I was getting payed for it very night that I worked wich was usually on Saturdays. It was my dream job sort of since I got into the CD32 specifically for VJ-ing........it was when I first saw Video Creator, that I said I must have a CD32!
From there on I collected all kinds of VJ-ing software like Elan Performer, Elan Invision, MindEYE/MindLIGHT 7, SCALA MM300, DCTV (for animating in 16 million colors.)
that was about a year ago that I was doing it for pay...........I might get back into it, if I could find someone who wants to trade my A4000 for an A1200.........I know the A4000 is wayyyy better, but I need an A1200 for the job mostly because its easier to carry. Plus I want to paint the A1200 but not the 4000 because its so clean.
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Webstore is maintained with an Amiga.
Invoice/Packing slip printing by rack mounted Amiga. Ghostscript/Turbo print used.
Order processing by another rack mounted Amiga.
Adverts/marketing materials are designed/editted using Pagestream on a heavily expanded Amiga. Then saved in PDF format ready for printing
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@amigakit
That is fantastic! If Efika does get OS4 I know where I'll be buying mine!
@everyone else
Great stories, this makes great reading.
I guess my Amigas introduced me to WIMP systems and I use them everyday now. The tricks I learned in CLI/Shell have alos helped along the way.
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Wrote lots of Toaster and flyer code, (RenderFX, Promix Tools, Flyer Utilites, etc) parts of ImageFX, copilot Audio and Video and several other programs I am forgetting about now.
Designed all those Amiga based poker machines that MGM used for their opening and that were shipped to La and the Indian reservations (about 5K of them at final count). Wrote probably half the code and all the game logic and math.
Edited lots of video, and did lots of lightwave work for money. Installed toasters in several TV stations, and used to teach lightwave to people.
Last thing I did was open source the source code for Newtek's toaster and then includes all the source for my tools with it.
I was going to port ImageFX to Amithlon but AI killing that program put the kabash on that.
-Tig
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amigakit wrote:
Webstore is maintained with an Amiga.
Invoice/Packing slip printing by rack mounted Amiga. Ghostscript/Turbo print used.
Order processing by another rack mounted Amiga.
:lol: Nice rack!
Ok, you win the prize for being really hardcore. Got any pictures of this setup? What models do you use?
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I have not made any money from my Amigas (yet), but a good friend of mine still makes the bulk of his income with his A2000 Toaster/Flyer system. That amazes me with such old equipment. He will have to change someday, but only because the Toaster/Flyer does not do High Def.
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Racks are 19inch - A1200 based- one with BlizzardPPC 060/SCSI - all have Subway USB and CDRWs (using EasyBurn (http://shop.amigakit.com/images/easyburn.jpg)). Memory 64MB and 256MB respectively.
Other Amigas are A4000T and A1200T/Mediator1200SX/BlizzPPC 060/256Mb etc
Everything is networked together (all running EasyNet (http://easynet.amigakit.com)) with access to broadband internet.
Thanks to the new IBrowse 2.4/Ghostscript/Turboprint, we can now print shipping barcode labels directly from the Amiga- so very little need for other platforms now.
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@amigakit
I like your style! :-D
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@AmigaKit: fantastic to know that you're running everything with Amigas!
I'd also like to see some photos!
- Ali
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Tigger wrote:
I was going to port ImageFX to Amithlon but AI killing that program put the kabash on that.
-Tig
*cough* aros *cough* :-P
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First of all ImageFX would have to be completely redone for Aros and remember thats Kermit and the rest of Nova Designs product not mine. Amithlon would have allowed me to port the original PPC modules which I turned into the x86 Aura plugins to x86 Amithlon modules and we would have had really fast plugins which constantly could have been added to as you convert the code from 68K to x86, since the 68K stuff would have ran under emulation and the x86 would have ran native, more and more could have been moved to x86 modules as part of a transition to x86, all while constantly being available. The problem with an AROS port is that until its done, you cant sell it, because it doesnt work, with Amithlon, the x86 modules could have been sold as an addon to ImageFX, and then do 2.0 version of the modules etc as more and more of the code moved to the x86 base.
-Tig
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$$$ure.... Got to eat!
I managed to almost break even after landing a few grants to produce keynote presentations for University/DOE/NASA/DOD crowds in the early-mid 1990's, (right before Amiga, Inc's sh*t hit the fan....)
It was loads of fun to finally put all this stuff into practice!
My largest presentation was for a group of about 250 grad/post grad research interns during the award dinner put on by Sandia National Labs... It was projected on a 11 foot x 11 foot screen and piped into the PA system of the Marriott in ABQ. I remember people were amazed (and those guys were serious tech heads) that I could do what they saw on the Amiga....That show was entirely rendered on a 030 A1200, dumped onto S-VHS just in case it crashed....
Ahhhh....those were fun days!
:-P
The funniest this about it....(being that I was a bit turned off by working for "the man"...young...rebelious I was...) was that I managed to misspell the Sandia's VP's name! :lol:
It was "proof-viewed" by his third in command, but wasn't cought until after the big show....
:lol: I was relieved the VP didn't make that night
:roll:
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amigakit wrote:
Webstore is maintained with an Amiga.
Invoice/Packing slip printing by rack mounted Amiga. Ghostscript/Turbo print used.
Order processing by another rack mounted Amiga.
Adverts/marketing materials are designed/editted using Pagestream on a heavily expanded Amiga. Then saved in PDF format ready for printing
What case did you use for rackmounting?
Most cases seem to take max 12" x 13" mobos...
An A1200 mobo, for example, is about 17" long, isn't it?
I don't suppose you have any pics?
Thanks :-)
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@Cyberus
Picture as requested of one of our spare A1200 rack mounts:
http://shop.amigakit.com/catalog/images/A1200-rack-mount.jpg
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@ Amigakit
Thanks for that!
I've been thinking of rackmounting an Amiga 1200 for ages niow, but the 2u cases I've seen don't look like they'll accomodate an A1200 mobo because of the internals. What case did you use, or did you just get it made?
I've got a mate who works at a design place that cuts metals, plastics etc, but I was hoping I could use an 'off the shelf' case with a few minor modifications...
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These were just bits'n'bobs that we inherited from the recent Eyetech acquisition.
There is a bit of cutting needed (notice the PCMCIA slot) - also you need to extend all the ports to the rear of the case.
Then theres the power issue- we are currently developing an ATX to A1200 solution (similar to our A4000-to-ATX adapter (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=615))
Dimensions of case are 44x38x8.5 cm
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I could use an Amiga for work I guess, depends how things have got on since I last used an Amiga (and forgive me if these are silly things that other people know already). Basically I sell laptops on ebay, so all I need is a machine that runs Googlemail, machine that allows the full features of ebay selling forms to be active, something that does what Netscape Composer 4 does and well prior to that AOL too but don't need that anymore so it probably is quite possible to use an Amiga to run my business selling PC Laptops :lol: how cool would that be?
"What laptop do you use then?"
"Err....I don't use a laptop or any Mac or PC equipment"
When would you ever get an Amiga virused surfing the web too, sounds like a good opportunity here :-)
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My Amiga also generated a profit for me at some point. I developed a dictionary program called MultiSlownik (aimed at polish users only). Our ATO section (Amiga Translators Organisation, responsible for example for polish OS4 locales) used my program at some point, maybe they still do ;). Since I don't own an Amiga currently, the program has been moved to freeware/open source.
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Over the years I have probably earned about a thousand quid with my Amigas, unfortunately that comes nowhere close to what I've spent on them :cry:
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mick_aka wrote:
Over the years I have probably earned about a thousand quid with my Amigas, unfortunately that comes nowhere close to what I've spent on them :cry:
That's pretty good actually. That's a 1000 quid more then I've made with my Amiga's. :-)
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I hope you don't work for the IRS!
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@Stopthegop
Where in NY are you? I am in Queens! and work in Manhattan.
@Wizardo
WHat did you use for the Presentation? SCALA?
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Amiduffer wrote:
... does your Amiga actually generate some profit or significant income for you? Did you earn more than what you invested in the equipment?
Hmmmm - let me think - I would say yes.
Back in January 1998 I wrote the application for my current job on my trusty, old A500 - my A4000PPC wasn't finished yet.
From the money I earned since then I could buy I_don't_know_how_many_complete_Amiga_systems ...
Amiduffer wrote:
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Has there been anything that you have done on the equipment, gotten you some recognition beyond our little community?
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Annother "yes".
Not on the equipment I mentioned above, but read yourself:
I had just started on my current job in the Homologation office of Ford of Europe, when my Senior Engineer told me that we need an CAD drawing in A4-format as an attachment to our approval documents, and that I could go to the CAD office and get an printout there.
So I went to CAD office and asked for our drawing.
They gave me a plot in A0-format and told me to go to the printing office, where I could get the drawing scaled down to A4 format.
Amazed by this procedure I went to the printing office and get my A0-plot scaled down to A4 and printed out.
Subsequently I went back to my office and gave the A4 printout to our "scanman", who put it on the scanner to make it electronically available again.
I asked the people from our Help Desk for a conversion tool for my x86-PC, but they told me that "such an tool does not exist - at least not within the Ford world"...
I couldn't believe it - nearly the year 2000 and still such stone-age methods!
I remembered that at home I had a tool called "Metaview" (from Henk Jonas) for my Amiga that was able to convert the .cgm-format from our CAD workstations into e.g. .jpeg-format. This was what I needed here - provided, I had an Amiga here at work.
So I went to my manager with the proposal to buy AmigaForever, to install it on my PC and install AmigaOS plus the graphical tools I need to do my job in a more modern and more economical way.
He agreed and so it came that Ford of Europe used its first Amiga(emulation) to introduce a modern and economical way to get A4-printouts from A0-plots from a CAD workstation.
After I bought the software, I demoed how easy life can be (with an Amiga, of course) - and only Amiga could make it happen!
:-o
I had to contact Henk Jonas to enhance his .cgm-module, as his didn't support the latest .cgm-format we were using at Ford.
He acted promptly, used the example .cgm-files from our CAD-station I sent him for analysis and a few days later I had an updated version of "Metaview" that could flawlessly convert our .cgm-files into better supported graphic formats like .jpeg.
We used this method here for three or four years, until our PC-Helpdesk offered us "Vis Mockup", which does the job now...
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Not a profit as such, but we do use our Amigas to produce Total Amiga (http://www.totalamiga.org) magazine :-)
The Amiga is used in every step from writing articles (via Final Writer, Amiga Writer etc.), processing images in the magazine (via ImageFX, Photogenics Art Effect etc.) and laying it out with Pagestream. We also produce the PDF CD for our professional printers using the Amiga :-)
The profit for us is getting good feedback from our subscribers... it's a labour of love!
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An older thread. Use the search function people!
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An older thread. Use the search function people!
Huh ???
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Dear Amigans:
I have had my amiga for over 10 years.
I loved her every year.
My amiga never payed any money ( 0 cash ) but it amazingly
rewarded me with many years of pleasure, namely to make 3d
rendering with aladdin 4d, and also years of coding in amospro.
My life has been the richer because of all my amiga was to me.
I have used my amiga for a zillion other things too.
Even though my amiga payed 0, it got me started as 3d animator
which I now use lightwave / pc and look forward to become
computer animator. Because of my amiga...now I can become
animator and use lightwave 3d.
Love !!!
Rednova
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Huh ???
Isn't it redundant to start a thread when the topic has already been brought up?
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Isn't it redundant to start a thread when the topic has already been brought up?
Maybe, but do you really think any lazy sod around here is going to hunt down a four year old thread before they start their own one... :)
Most of them can't even be bothered to scroll down the screen a wee bit just to see the coffee house posts or blogs, bunch of lazy good for nothing buggers if you ask me (which you didn't but I thought I'd just say so anyway)... :)
Now stop yer greetin an just post in the new thread like everyone else, or it'll just be you and me in here talking nonsense to each other... ;)
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They're not _exactly_ the same topic. This one asks if anyone has made profit, and the other is suggesting ways to actually do it.
And even if it's suggested that they're similar enough, by bringing this one back into view, all that's been accomplished is splitting the subject up.
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They're not _exactly_ the same topic. This one asks if anyone has made profit, and the other is suggesting ways to actually do it.
And even if it's suggested that they're similar enough, by bringing this one back into view, all that's been accomplished is splitting the subject up.
@ Amiduffer
BOO... SPLITTER.... :lol:
[youtube]gb_qHP7VaZE[/youtube]
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Oh, thread archeology.
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Who are the Search Function People?
An older thread. Use the search function people!
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The Search Function People, aren't they an offshoot of the Judean People's Front ?
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They're the Raid Ninja's arch-enemy.
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The Search Function People, aren't they an offshoot of the Judean People's Front ?
WHAT... MORE SPLITTERS... :eek:
They deserve this...
[youtube]MIaORknS1Dk[/youtube]
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I made some money on a non-working A3000T I got for $40 once, but it involved repairing and selling it!
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So....what is better, Amiga or Atari computers? (heheh, I'm sure there's *never* been a thread on that topic).
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So....what is better, Amiga or Atari computers? (heheh, I'm sure there's *never* been a thread on that topic).
The first time that question was raised, hostilities didn't end until 11/11/1918
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All I said was that this cauliflower was good enough for Jehovah!
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Webstore is maintained with an Amiga.
Invoice/Packing slip printing by rack mounted Amiga. Ghostscript/Turbo print used.
Order processing by another rack mounted Amiga.
Adverts/marketing materials are designed/editted using Pagestream on a heavily expanded Amiga. Then saved in PDF format ready for printing
great thanks for that postive message good too see company with great spirt still.
be buying something very soon
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:lol: Nice rack!
Ok, you win the prize for being really hardcore. Got any pictures of this setup? What models do you use?
ohh just when was being serious and muture and you mentioned rack mmmm
time to open new tab me thinks ......
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Racks are 19inch - A1200 based- one with BlizzardPPC 060/SCSI - all have Subway USB and CDRWs (using EasyBurn (http://shop.amigakit.com/images/easyburn.jpg)). Memory 64MB and 256MB respectively.
Other Amigas are A4000T and A1200T/Mediator1200SX/BlizzPPC 060/256Mb etc
Everything is networked together (all running EasyNet (http://easynet.amigakit.com)) with access to broadband internet.
Thanks to the new IBrowse 2.4/Ghostscript/Turboprint, we can now print shipping barcode labels directly from the Amiga- so very little need for other platforms now.
l dont think old duffer meant those specs actually dont think talking about glasses at all
a though he and me might need demist to stop the fogging
stop it you old .. well duffer hehe have to admit still got thing for lindsy lohan
after watching herbie reloaded cute..fiesty oh yeah ever if see naughty too
mr dickison can we have Lindsay Lohan or even natelie portman for amiga x1000 promo
then force will be truely with us.. hehe
am soo sorry for bringing the tone down ohh l am can l hear whips cracking
on serious note my second home city Christchurch (New Zealand) has had natural disaster
so please good thoughts to are people there l know of few amiga folks living there
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Directly with Amiga I earned nothing. But besides all the other things I learned a lot of english (i know it´s still bad).
Until 2003 I didn´t own a PC but changed indirectly because of my Amiga experiance to a job in the year 2000 as administrator for WinNT (later W2000 and "2003") and later on started also to "bother" with CRMs and DB2s and various user requirements.
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Since there have been a lot of threads along the lines of "what games do you play?", "what kind of utilities do you use", etc. I was curious, does your Amiga actually generate some profit or significant income for you? Did you earn more than what you invested in the equipment?
I'd say yes.
Although not in the direct sense you mean - but back in 1988/89, when I got my first A500, this machine taught me the "modern" way of computing (from 1986 on I had an CBM 610/620 and learned coding in CBM Basic 4.0 like hell on that "beast" and created a sort of GUI for it - somehow similar to DOpus).
It helped me a great lot during my CAD analyst postgraduate studies and I was "computing" on it day and night. My wife back then asked me at one point:
"You are sitting at your computer day and night - but I can't see anything coming out from that. What is it good for?"
Well, when I got my current job as an system admin back in 1998 and a quite good payment, I reminded her of her question from years ago, showed her my latest salary printout and asked her:
"Can you see the outcome of it now?"
Leaving aside obvious people like Jens :-) are you someone who programs software, or produces videos or artwork, and have been successful at it?
No.
Has there been anything that you have done on the equipment, gotten you some recognition beyond our little community?
Done a lot of CAD/CAM/CNC on my little A500 and learned other things like DBase, MS-DOS and even Wiondows as well on it. Got a good degree from that and based on I have a good and well payed job today, if that counts.
I remember, quite a few years back, some guy had a scheme for putting Amigas running Scala (or some such program) in mall kiosks and generating income from the advertising.
As I said - for me the benefit was more indirect...
EDIT:
Oh yes, and I certainly earned a lot of more money with my job than I ever will be able to spend for all my Miggies...
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on serious note my second home city Christchurch (New Zealand) has had natural disaster
so please good thoughts to are people there l know of few amiga folks living there
Yeah - we had it on the news here. All my best wishes to all the people there.
I hope all the Amiga folks (and their Amigas) are doing well.
Didn't Trevor Dickinson at some point tell that he lives there part time?
If so, I really hope he's well - O.K. - that's not really unselfish, as I'm eagerly awaiting the A1 X1k...