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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: ilgulamc on January 09, 2007, 06:40:26 PM
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs on Tuesday unveiled a new mobile phone... bla bla bla... Jobs said Apple's iPhone would "reinvent" the telecommunications sector and "leapfrog" past the current generation of hard-to-use smart phones... bla bla bla bla.....
"Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything," he said during his keynote address at the annual Macworld Conference and Expo. "It's very fortunate if you can work on just one of these in your career. ... Apple's been very fortunate in that it's introduced a few of these." ... bla bla bla bla....
Apple shares jumped 5 percent on the announcements. ...bla bla bla bla....
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070109/apple_macworld.html?.v=17
if you go over to
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3168733759916419298
or for a .mov file to
http://www.devilducky.com/media/46492/
you can even see a mockup of the phone and a spec commercial.
The interesting thing is that the music that is playing on the background says "do you believe, what you see?" and this remainded me of something oddly related to amiga..
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=12434
this is really funny, what do you people think?
P.S. Even though i'm no apple fan, i really like the idea of an apple smartphone similar to an ipod. Let's see if it will be my next phone!
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For me it needs to have an intuitive interface.
But this looks awesome. Can't wait to see the specs for it...
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http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
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Now i definetly want one!
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I'm watching the virtual iPhone demo on apple.com, and my jaw is hanging open. I want one now now now now now!!!!!
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moto
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What a stressfull toy.
just looking at it makes me feel stress. Less is more.
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@all
If only it would run AmigaOS4 :bigcry:
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@fransexy
:roll:
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moto
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Looks nice, but $599 with a 2 year prison sentence? :crazy:
(Not to mention Apple's quality issues...)
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Hmm.... The demo model on Apple's page is Cingular branded. I might have to check it out as a possible replacement to my simply terrible Motorola device I've got from them, now. (The prison sentence on that thing is up in a few months...)
Until this, I had been thinking about HTC TyTN. Which, of course, is cool on its own.... How many phones can run UAE? ;-)
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Anyone figured out what kind of cpu is in that thing?. They say it runs OSX?.
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Looks nice!
But I wonder how DRM-crippled it's going to be? I guess there's no hope of it appearing as a "mass storage device" for simple drag-n-drop of audio and video content?
And I bet Google Maps chews through data allowances like nobody's business!
- Ali
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Hey it's not like we all didn't see this coming. I am glad the majority posts are a wait and see attitude here so far. Too often on Amiga forums do Apple's products get a free "PASS"..
Personally I have had a windows smartphone and a PocketPC phone for the past couple years. The PocketPC does run UAE quite nicely.. It's fun to doodle on DPAINT III with it..
I would just say there isn't anything that is very revolutionary here with the Apple iPhone that we don't have already in other devices, they just aren't "branded" Apple or Apple iTunes.
I have been watching TV shows on my Microsoft SmartPhone for sometime downloaded from my media center pc, and I do mean content from every major network. Windows Media Player is built-in so I can play MP3s, and other formats and I am really not locked into Apple's proprietary formats.. I also have Skype for pocketpc so voip and wifi phone functionality is already there. I also have a more than adequate web browser (IE) and I can install just about any program from the pocket pc library that I want. I think it's cool Apple is merging the phone and the ipod, but honestly they'll have lots of competition..
As far as AppleTV goes, can we say XBOX 360, plus add games. They do the same things nothing new here. Xbox has it's own video service already with content from all major TV networks available for stream or download. I just watched "Supernatural" the other day and downloaded an episode to my 360's hard drive. I could also stream content from my media center pc over the wireless network too..
I think these are cool products but what it signals is not just Apple engaging other markets (the cel phone), and TV. they will be competing with other companies like Comcast, ATT, Microsoft and others to deliver programming over a set top box.
I doubt that the cable industry and telecom markets are gonna look at this thing lightly.. If Apple could do what it's done with taking over the music download industry, with video and programming, then they just might have an edge in the markket..
However all this home integration means someone's gonna need a server OS to keep track of media, etc. Microsoft is announcing "HOME SERVER" at CES.. We are in for a battle in new places..
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Well.... I love Apple, and everything that goes with it. Amiga is over... But the love for Amiga is still there. But the only really good computer now a days, is the ones from Apple.
Would love Amiga rise again, and become something like Apple with such a nice store :)
Cheers
René
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3168733759916419298
Heck, I want one. How can one not want an anti-gravity phone! :-o
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I WANT ONE!
I see Apple coming out with these types of things, iPod, iPhone, etc... and wish Commodore management had been better as I could have seen Amiga technology doing all these same things.
Ah well...
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Let's port AOS to the iTalk!!!!
:crazy:
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I have never owned anything other than either a work Nextel or a cheapo cell phone. I have never even thought about buying a super fancy phone.
I WANT AN iPHONE! :-D
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@DonnyEMU
I watched the keynote iphone intro dealy video thing. Did you see it? Can you tell me if what you have is as fast as how the iphone looks like it might be? That was the cool thing, really, that it seemed to zip right along.
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@redrumloa
What I want to know is how much Apple paid Cisco for the iphone name (http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/12/18/iphone_announce.html).
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I watched the keynote iphone intro dealy video thing. Did you see it? Can you tell me if what you have is as fast as how the iphone looks like it might be? That was the cool thing, really, that it seemed to zip right along.
I watched the keynote, and several things struck me about it.. One if it's a full OSX implementation doesn't that really LIKE to have and USE a lot of memory (like a gig or more just for the OS). And doesn't that kinda limite storage of media if it's combined?
I can put a 2 hour movie on a 128MB miniSD card on my phone and it plays back nicely (24/30fps) with full sound.. I don't see the interface as that revolutionary, call me old fashioned but I like phones with a button that I don't have to look at while dialing to know where they are..
-Don
PS I'd also note that right now, most everything I can do with 2 keypresses and it does support voice recognition if I choose to use it.
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weirdami wrote:
@redrumloa
What I want to know is how much Apple paid Cisco for the iphone name (http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/12/18/iphone_announce.html).
Yes, that is the question :-o
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call me old fashioned but I like phones with a button that I don't have to look at while dialing to know where they are..
You, and that guy in The Departed.
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iOverpriced iboutique icrap.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
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@iB00tDisk
I thought we were having a wait and see attitude on this one. :smack:
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I need a phone with 3 features:
voice,
text,
off-button
:-D
anything else is overkill
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AJCopland wrote:
I need a phone with 3 features:
voice,
text,
off-button
:-D
anything else is overkill
No on-button? then when you shutdown it is off forever :-P
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Specs look good.
I'm even prepared to join Starfleet Academy to get my hands on one of these!
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@DonnyEMU:
I don't think that's old fashioned. I think Apple may have underestimated the importance of tactile feedback in normal phone use. I regularly operate my phone in my pocket when I've got my headphones plugged in.
Mind you, this device is aimed at a specific segment and it blows away everything else in that market. I could easily throw away 3 separate devices I use daily if I had one of these.
My fave bit is in the small print on the iPhone page... "This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commisssion... may not be offered for sale.... until authorization is obtained."
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Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.
That, I think, is the true importance of this device...
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LOL
I think it's funny that the same crowd that constantly blasts modern operating systems like Windows is singing praise for a 500 dollar telephone that perhaps has the most feature creep and software bloat the world has ever seen.
I just can't wait for my new iPhone. Girls will be impressed when I show them the smooth polished surface implanted with my face grease.
Hey, who is gonna be the first to suggest that people should write their apps in assembler on the iPhone?
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koaftder wrote:
I think it's funny that the same crowd that constantly blasts modern operating systems like Windows is singing praise for a 500 dollar telephone that perhaps has the most feature creep and software bloat the world has ever seen.
How do you know it will feel bloated? Features do not equal bloat. Every seen a Blackberry? This should stomp the Blackberry. IMO this is much more than a phone.
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redrumloa wrote:
koaftder wrote:
I think it's funny that the same crowd that constantly blasts modern operating systems like Windows is singing praise for a 500 dollar telephone that perhaps has the most feature creep and software bloat the world has ever seen.
How do you know it will feel bloated? Features do not equal bloat. Every seen a Blackberry? This should stomp the Blackberry. IMO this is much more than a phone.
In my oppinion WinXP doesn't feel bloated but people complain about it constantly. I'm sure the iPhone will be very responsive, if it wasn't it wouldn't sell. And it's going to be a lot more fun to develop applications for iPhone than say a trio. PalmOS is a pain in the butt to dev on.
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someone will make a iphone knockoff... I'll wait to see that.. I like the iphone though. Apple is doing pretty good..coming up from the ashes. Even though its apple, its good to see a company other them microsoft doing well.
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It a Quad Band GSM phone, it'll work in about 220 countries and on Cingular and Tmobile in the US.
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bloodline wrote:
Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.
Never heard of Windows, Linux, etc.? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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It's worth it just for the keys !!
Your eyes get real crappy as you get older !!
I'm not interested in the ipod style music player.
I think I read that Uk release is 4th quarter.
I've got time to start saving my pennies then.
oh.. And the fact it's NOT Microsoft Anything is naturally a major bonus (to me)
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@TheMagicM
someone will make a iphone knockoff..
He did say all that gizmo technicality stuffies is patented 220 times and made sure to say that they will defend the patents. But, a cheap knockoff could be a squishy push button screen (like those universal remotes) that doesn't do video. Not really a knockoff, but if someone saw them side by side and one was 350 dollars less, the uninformed grandparent would buy it for their hip teenage grandkids. :-)
"Thanks, gran, I love my new EyeFon. :-( "
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@The_Editor
The Reluctant Pom
This POM (http://www.pomwonderful.com/) is not reluctant. :lol:
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Does it have more than 2MB chip RAM ? :lol:
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I regularly operate my phone in my pocket
You, and that guy in The Departed.
Woohoo! Two setups for the same joke in one thread. :banana:
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/me would rather have herpes than waste 600 perfectly good dollars on an Apple iPhone. My free Samsung works just fine, tyvm.
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@stopthegop
you can spend 399 instead and avoid the herpes at the same time, or, what's likely going to happen anyway, you can get a free one with a service plan, just like you did with your samsung.
who's going to give you herpes anyway?
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weirdami wrote:
What I want to know is how much Apple paid Cisco for the iphone name (http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/12/18/iphone_announce.html).
Umm, apparantly nothing.
Cisco sues Apple over iPhone Trademark (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-10-cisco-sues-apple_x.htm)
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@weirdami
All the prices listed were with service plan. I'd guess they'll drop, but they won't be free for some time.
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Magic-Merl wrote:
For me it needs to have an intuitive interface.
But this looks awesome. Can't wait to see the specs for it...
Agreed with line 1! And it does!!! I want one now!!!!!! Drool...
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Homer wrote:
Does it have more than 2MB chip RAM ? :lol:
It have 4 GB a no expansion for memory cards, and that on 2007 for a device that play videos (among other things) is as stupid as commodore putting only 2MB on AGA chipset.Technology companies seems not to learn and repeat the errors again and again
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adolescent wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.
Never heard of Windows, Linux, etc.? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Linux is just a Kernel, there is no real standardisation above it, for developers on the Mobile platform.
Windows CE is not the same as Windows. It's a different operating system with a similar API to Win32. but Win32 (and certainly not Win64... WinFX or whatever they call it now) apps are not binary comaptible with WinCE on the x86.
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bloodline wrote:
adolescent wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.
Never heard of Windows, Linux, etc.? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Linux is just a Kernel, there is no real standardisation above it, for developers on the Mobile platform.
Windows CE is not the same as Windows. It's a different operating system with a similar API to Win32. but Win32 apps are not binary comaptible with WinCE on the x86.
MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either
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Fransexy_ wrote:
bloodline wrote:
adolescent wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.
Never heard of Windows, Linux, etc.? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Linux is just a Kernel, there is no real standardisation above it, for developers on the Mobile platform.
Windows CE is not the same as Windows. It's a different operating system with a similar API to Win32. but Win32 apps are not binary comaptible with WinCE on the x86.
MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either
But MacOSX is binary comaptible on the SAME CPU... please read what I typed more carefully, i.e. WindowsXP and WindowsCE have different ABIs.
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Why?
Anything + glossy finish and Apple brand name = twice as much as it should be.
And what's up with the 5 hour battery life?
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iDontcare
iDontwantone
iGotaphonealready
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bloodline wrote:
Fransexy_ wrote:
MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either
But MacOSX is binary comaptible on the SAME CPU... please read what I typed more carefully, i.e. WindowsXP and WindowsCE have different ABIs.
Trying to figure out how MacOSX on the iPhone being binary incompatible with MacOSX on desktop is any different than Windows XP not being binary compatible with Windows PocketPC or Smartphone?
If you have to recompile, you have to recompile. Of course, Apple's probable solution is to add yet another architecture to the universal binary, thus creating unnecessary bloat.
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adolescent wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Fransexy_ wrote:
MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either
But MacOSX is binary comaptible on the SAME CPU... please read what I typed more carefully, i.e. WindowsXP and WindowsCE have different ABIs.
Trying to figure out how MacOSX on the iPhone being binary incompatible with MacOSX on desktop is any different than Windows XP not being binary compatible with Windows PocketPC or Smartphone?
No. My point was that WindowsCE is not related to the WindowsNT software. They share nothing in common. When you run WindowsCE on the SAME CPU as WindowsNT the software is not interchangeable. Microsoft did not just recompile WindowsNT for mobile devices.
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redrumloa wrote:
weirdami wrote:
@redrumloa
What I want to know is how much Apple paid Cisco for the iphone name (http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/12/18/iphone_announce.html).
Yes, that is the question :-o
Here's (http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_011007.html) the answer. :rtfm:
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bloodline wrote:
No. My point was that WindowsCE is not related to the WindowsNT software. They share nothing in common. When you run WindowsCE on the SAME CPU as WindowsNT the software is not interchangeable. Microsoft did not just recompile WindowsNT for mobile devices.
And iPhone is not related to OSX software. :-? I still don't get your point. The CPUs aren't the same on the iPhone and desktop Macs, the OS isn't the same, so where's the "holy grail"?
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@adolescent
And iPhone is not related to OSX software. I still don't get your point. The CPUs aren't the same on the iPhone and desktop Macs, the OS isn't the same, so where's the "holy grail"?
I got the impression that it was the same osx as on the desktops and even though Jobs only said that osx ran on the iphone without going into any depth, my impression was that mac desktop osx apps would work on the iphone, too. Who knows for sure?
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Ive searched high and low for information about this iPhone and I still can't find out what processor it runs or if there is going to be third party developer support. There is no mention at all of this product on the ADC site.
The fact that the literature says this thing runs OSX means about as much to me as when they said that the G5 was a supercomputer. I can buy an iPaq which comes with "Windows" and ms Word, but this is just branding, it's not running "Windows" nor does it have "Word". Even acrobat reader is not the same in such context. It even comes with Internet Explorer, but what does it really have in common with the Internet Explorer we commonly know? It's branding.
For those of us in the market for a really fancy telephone this will probably be exciting regardless of the specs. For those of us interested in all the things this might be, other than being a telephone, we will probably be disappointed.
In any case, It's all hype until we get some real specifications.
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adolescent wrote:
bloodline wrote:
No. My point was that WindowsCE is not related to the WindowsNT software. They share nothing in common. When you run WindowsCE on the SAME CPU as WindowsNT the software is not interchangeable. Microsoft did not just recompile WindowsNT for mobile devices.
And iPhone is not related to OSX software. :-? I still don't get your point. The CPUs aren't the same on the iPhone and desktop Macs, the OS isn't the same, so where's the "holy grail"?
If you take time to watch the Keynote, Jobs explains that OSX was choosen simply to save time and effort; and he deails the features of OSX that apple deemed make is suitable for a handheld device, plus the ability to use a few "core services" (standard in OSX) which allowed the construction of an "Apple User Interface/Experience".
If you read about the Mach Kernel I think you'll find it is quite a good choice for a Mobile device!
I suspect the iPhone uses an embeded PPC, that kind of CPU would be ideal for such a device... though I would probably choose one of the MIPS devices... but apple might have got a sweet deal on XScales from intel (even though they don't own the core assets anymore).
The "Holy Grail"? Amiga Inc. tried to promote it... one OS from mobile device to server... It's a nice idea, if creates a consistant devloper interface and allows scalling across platforms... it also means the OS developers only have one code base to work from, bugs get fixed quicker and new features become readily available for different versions.
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can't resist:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/351423384_45b006f78a.jpg)
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Is there a different iPhone elsewhere in the world?
Over here its been slated, way behind current generation phones and expected to be totally blasted by the new devices due next month....
But then, what do I care? All I need from a phone is the abillity to make calls and text. Camera? MP3? video? organiser. No thanks. I just want a simple phone.
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bloodline wrote:
I suspect the iPhone uses an embeded PPC, that kind of CPU would be ideal for such a device... though I would probably choose one of the MIPS devices... but apple might have got a sweet deal on XScales from intel (even though they don't own the core assets anymore).
Sources suggest that the iPhone does indeed use an ARM CPU... though not the Xscale, they have gone with Samsung, who supply the iPod's ARM CPU... I'm not surprissed about the use of an ARM, and I'll bet Apple get a sweet deal from Samsung by shifting such lage numbers... but I didn't know Samsung had a powerful enough chip in their product range, time to research!
-Edit- Wikipedia calims a Cortex-A8, which would be powerful enough!