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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Boot_WB on December 29, 2006, 06:03:45 PM
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I'm FINALLY installing Mac OS9.0 on a partition under iFusion (1.20) emulation (after owning iFusion for around 2 years, but having no MacOS retail CD to install on it).
Any advice as to what to watch out for?
The docs state that scsi is not supported, yet it is reading my cybppc.device with no problems (both the CD drive and the hard drive onto which I am installing the OS are attached to the CSPPC). The Mac partition is within the first 4 gig of the drive.
I've also got the iFusion 1.2-1.3 update file from aminet, but have not yet installed it (will do so once the OS has installed).
btw - not at that stage yet, but is there any way to get ifusion to start the mac emulation directly from the hard disk, or do I need to boot from the cd each time I start? Would make the whole thing rather tedious and pointless if that is the case.
Thanks
Rich
PS - I'm going for the maximum number of OSes on a single computer: OS3.9, MOS, MacOS9, APUS (eventually) :lol:
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The docs state that scsi is not supported, yet it is reading my cybppc.device with no problems (both the CD drive and the hard drive onto which I am installing the OS are attached to the CSPPC). The Mac partition is within the first 4 gig of the drive.
btw - not at that stage yet, but is there any way to get ifusion to start the mac emulation directly from the hard disk, or do I need to boot from the cd each time I start? Would make the whole thing rather tedious and pointless if that is the case.
SCSI works OK, I had no problems.
Booting works, you just have to change your config to boot from HD instead of CD-Rom.
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Thanks zipper - after removing the CD and restarting ifusion it booted form the hard drive.
Have you managed to set up internet access? I've tried using settings of static IP address, Netmask, gateway and dns server, but (not surprisingly) it isn't this simple. Do I need ot do some fancy configuration in genesis to allow communication between the emulated environment and the amigaOS, or am I missing something. The doscs are a little vague (ie no instructions at all, not even a hint).
It was a hell of a shock seeing MS Internet Explorer 4.5 loading up on my Amiga. Felt like apologising to the old girl! :lol:
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Network is not working in iFusion.
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Boot_WB wrote:
It was a hell of a shock seeing MS Internet Explorer 4.5 loading up on my Amiga. Felt like apologising to the old girl! :lol:
If you manage to find a way around the network situation you can always get Netscape 7x for Mac, that's less insulting and working quite well. On my real Mac its my preferred browser.
What's the speed of CSPPC you're using?
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amiga_3k wrote:
What's the speed of CSPPC you're using?
200 MHz
@DJbase
Seriously disappointed that networking is notworking on ifusion. There seems to be precious little info on ifusion on the whole. Is the networking issue from your own experience, or do you have some documentation? I'd be interested on reading as much as I can on ifusion if you could point me in the right direction.
can vlink.device not be implemented in some way as (from brief reading of motorollin's previous thread re: routing in genesis (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22663)) with shapeshifter?
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@ Boot_WB
iFusion has no network support.
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@DJBase
I see, have just done a bit more reading round regarding the Blittersoft/Virtual Programming/Jim Drew fiasco.
What a farce, sorry if this opened up any old wounds for anyone. Guess I won't be expecting any updates on this piece of software any time soon.
Ah well, frees up a partition for something else I suppose. :-)
Another great chapter in the (relatively) recent history of the Amiga.
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a bit off topic,
What is the best MacOS to use with iFusion on a 233mHz PPC 604e A4000? MacOS 8.5, 8.6, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 9.2.2???
I am in the same boat, bought iFusion when it first came out with high hopes and never installed it. I took a short break from my Amigas and when I started using them again, still did not install it yet. I am looking to buy a MacOS install CD and want to make sure I get one that will work.
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I am not sure what the best version is but I would prefer a 9.x version. I am using MacOS 9.1 with iFusion.
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I am looking for a copy of OS9.x too. I have a copy of OS8.1 which definitively does not work.
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according to the (meagre) documentation 9.1 is the last officially supported version. You will need the retail version of the install CD, not the version supplied with any specific model.
I believe, but am no expert in the matter, that you can buy 9.0 and download a free update to 9.1, but don't take my word for it (never owned a mac).
Regards
Rich
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@DJBase
What about serial support?
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Having bought and used Fusion (not the PPC version) I can certainly say that the old $5.00 Mac you passed up at the last yard sale would be more reliable and less frustrating:-D.
I'm not trying to start anything here, I just remember how painfully slow it used to be. Although it did seem to work if you had enough time.
Good Luck,
Jeff
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@crunb
looking at a variety of postings from around the time (2001) of the blittersoft takeover there seems to be no port support at all - serial, parallel, ethernet, scsi or any other. Having
said that csppc scsi works...
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Assuming you'd have working PPC Linux running on CSPPC, I wonder if MacOnLinux would work?
Mac OS X on Pegasos 2 (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/peg2-macosx.jpg)
Networking works with MOL at least.
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What is the best MacOS to use with iFusion on a 233mHz PPC 604e A4000? MacOS 8.5, 8.6, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 9.2.2???
9.04 should be the fastest re tests done when iFusion came out; 9.1 is the last they tested to be working. Probably from 8.6 up, don't remember.
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@Piru
Didn't think of that! (tosses copy of iFusion over shoulder)
Damn good suggestion..
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@Piru
That MOL deal looks pretty sweet.
It just leaves the sorry business of installing Linux APUS. I remember there being two options: Debian PPC or Linux PPC 2000 (Redhat derivative). Which Linux distro is the sensible choice? I somehow favor Debian but I'm not sure which version to go for or which latest Debian supports Linux APUS anymore? There hardly seems to be any recent documentation about it.
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I have Debian Sarge on my Amiga 4000T.
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Is the CyberStormPPC UW-SCSI Controller supported?
Yes. The driver is built into kernels 2.4.18 upwards. It is still very much in testing..so please give it a good testing and report any issues!
(Thanks: Rene Brothuhn, Fred Heitkamp)
That's a relief - most of the documentation regarding APUS states the CS scsi is not supported (yet).
I'm going to give APUS a try over the next week then if I can find the time.
On a less positive note:
I want to use MOL (Mac On Linux) When will you support this?
As far as we are aware, the LinuxAPUS kernel is okay. MOL itself needs to be altered to work with our APUS memory system. Feel free to email Alan Buxey if you want to join in with help on this (he's limited by his 603e which MOL doesnt work with right now)
Taken from here (http://linux-apus.sourceforge.net/FAQ.html) - last updated 2003.
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I'd really like to enjoy Macintosh Emulation on my Amiga 4000 CSPPC with 604 200Mhz and 060 50 MHZ.
Moreover I'd like to install Linux Too.
So I'd like to get as much information as possibile to INstall Both the OS. Is there any site from wich I can download All the file and the complete documentation to Install a complete Linux Distribution?
What About the MOL issue? IS there anyone that was able to use MacOS through MOL?
I'm going to decide what's the best between iFusion and MOL but I don't even know where to stat!
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That's a relief - most of the documentation regarding APUS states the CS scsi is not supported (yet).
The SCSI is supported since kernel 2.4.18
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I was thinking about iFusion... it's a very old program nowadays, and moreover MacOS is an Intel based sistem...
Moreover we have MOL...
Why doesn't Mocrocode Solution release it as an open source project? It would be a nice opportunity to make it work better.
What about a petiton or something like that from Amiga.org?
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Because Mircocode Solution sold iFusion to BlitterSoft and since that time big silents.
About MacOS, this is also Intel not only Intel. But since iFusion supports only MacOS 9 its completly PowerPC.
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'd really like to enjoy Macintosh Emulation on my Amiga 4000 CSPPC with 604 200Mhz and 060 50 MHZ.
Moreover I'd like to install Linux Too.
Has anybody done this before? How does MOL perform with CSPPC? Is it usable?
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Just curious: Why is iFusion limited to only OS9.1? I'm asking this question because Apple only supported upto OS9.1 on the Apple 9600/300 (which I'm using now) but after a quick modification of a text file OS9.2 installed without nagging and I'm using it for almost a year now.
On
xlr8yourmac.com (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OS9/os_9_2_1_install_mods.html) is well explained how to.
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iFusion came out before 9.2 I think, at least the development was "finished".
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is there any place where I can find some Powermac Rom list in order to find the more suitable for Ifusion and MOL?
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I remember installing Mac OS 9.1 on my Beige G3 Tower.(which mind you I'm also thinking about selling too). It was shut a fun little thing.
Now that I think about it, I think about how slow it is, and how much work it was trying to get stuff that would run on Mac OS. I know everyone hates Microsoft and all, but I know at least then there was more stuff shaking and baking then.
I wouldn't even waste my time with iFusion and trying to play with Mac Stuff on the Amiga. I would just go out and buy me a 8000/9000 or G3 that would be faster then what most people have in their 68k Amiga machines.
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I never like mac things, but when i left the amiga community (about '97) every fellow here who owns a1200 and some memory bragged about his performance in shapeshifter. Everybody told that his amiga faster than a powermac. So last year when i awakened i thought that mac emulation on amiga is no problem and up to date. I never think that powermac emulation is not solved.
So i had a vision: with my amiga i will surely running some powerpc required mac software. Games and apps.
But now i learnt that it will never happen. So mac emulation for me is not an option.
I will try linux on amiga, maybe its bring some fresh air, but i fear for its speed.