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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Paradox on December 28, 2006, 03:49:36 PM
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What amiga browser do you use?
What system do you run it on?
I have Ibrowse and AWeb on WinUAE and my Amiga A1200
They both work ok...Ibrowse has built in picture datatypes so it good for basic 3.1 installs
So Thumbs Up Ibrowse but dont like having to register! etc
Is ther better free amiga browser with no cripplage?
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Browsers should defacto be free (beertype)?
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I like both, AWeb and IBrowse. Would be great to have Sputnik for 68k, though.
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AWeb does the job for me (on A3000/060/CV64), but using any browser on the Amiga is a bit of a retro time-warp experience due to lack of support for modern standards.
If sites provide a "low graphics" or "mobile" version, that helps (such as the BBC News site).
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I don't think any of them is specially good. But if must choice one, I pick IBrowse.
The most bad thing is that it take years before they release a new version :cry:
I know IB2.4, is just released. But I think it will take about 2 years from now to release 3.0. (I could have wrong).
ps. I want to start using my Amiga again and surf the web, but I refuse to use a browser that not even support CSS. (the most important thing).
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I downloaded IB2.4 demo yesterday and tested it on WinUAE.
To be honest, I was very dissapointed...
- Still old Times fonts in IB... Websites looks terrible with this kind of font :(
- Seems like I can`t zoom page in/out... [as in any browser]
- Flash plugin is very buggy
- Can`t open GMail...
Useless :(
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djnick wrote:
- Still old Times fonts in IB... Websites looks terrible with this kind of font :(
Useless :(
Fonts are just matter of setting. Try Helvetica font ie.
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IBrowse 2.4 rocks perfectly for me - almost.
@djnick - set the fonts! It's worth it!
Otherwise - install was easy as pie. My only complaint - at work we use MS Exchang & OWA. With IBrowse 2.3 I could login in from home. Since I updated to 2.4, OWA keeps complaining that I need java enabled, which I've set all ways to heaven, even via URL prefs, but it still fails. Unfortunately, I can't get AMISSL 2.2 to install properly so that I can go back to IB 2.3 to see what I might be missing.
Other than that, I definitely see a speed improvement.
Edit - I do not think it is IBrowse that fails the Javascript - I can't get IBrowse 2.3 to connect now. I can only surmise that the new MUI clasees are interfering with the Javascript processing. :( Now I have to use windoze to connect to the work email - yuck!
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mgerics wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't get AMISSL 2.2 to install properly
Um...
IOspirit offer AmiSSL 3.6 on their site for use with IBrowse 2.4. (http://amiga.iospirit.de/index.php?mode=downloads&modmode=download&file_id=82&ios_lang=en&sid=3185745G3f516a89dcf704a9) Or did I misunderstand something here?
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I never had much luck with IBrowse on my old Amiga 2000HD, so I used AWeb. Also used AWeb on my MicroA1 until now. The latest update for AmigaOS 4.0 contains an AmigaOS4 OEM version of IBrowse 2.4, which seems to run very well. Haven't tried AWeb yet since I upgraded.
Comparison:
Using AmigaOS4 OEM version of IBrowse 2.4, I can add smileys to my posts by clicking on the little icons. Can't do this with AWeb.
AmigaOS4 OEM version of IBrowse 2.4 and AWeb APL Lite both seem to pause for a long time while loading certain web pages. On amig.org they pause while loading the page where you write up posts. I think they may be getting bogged down by all those little message icons and smileys, which are infact gifs files. IBrowse seems to pause a little longer, maybe due to some restrictions placed on the OEM version.
As to which is better, I haven't decided yet...
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redfox :-D
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@coloni Wanted to try IBrowse2.3 with older libs to see why a javajscript required site fails despite having it enabled (said site DID work prior to this) and IBrowse2.3 doesn't like AMissl 3.
Still no luck - intalled winuae fresh so IBrowse 2.3 would have the old libs, MUI and otherwise - cannot open MS Exchange OWA, and I used to be able to!!! D**N! Not a show stopper...
As to GMail, the only thing I lack is the DELETE button, otherwise it works fine for me....
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Best thing is to set up a Windows 2003 server running Terminal Services and connect to that from your miggy.
The Amiga is not and will never be capable of keeping up; especially when Internet is on the verge of upgrading itself to IP6 and Internet 2.0/Ajax all that sort of stuff...
The Amizilla is a nice project; if it ever comes from the ground, and it will probably need quite a punch cpu wise to keep up with java/flash/shockwave and fullmotion video some sites use nowadays.
Sorry for being cinical; but I've been on the Amiga side of things when Internet went mainstream; and it was one of the reason for me to go x86 all those years back.
It was nice having fast cable connection; but my A2065 could hardly keep up. Apart from the fact me not being able to do half of what I wanted on the Amiga. Wish they had ported Netscape way back then....
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AmiKit wrote:
I like both, AWeb and IBrowse. Would be great to have Sputnik for 68k, though.
i think now is possible to have sputnik on 68k :)
On aminet is available a versione of GCC 68k hosted on MorphOS
PPC to port MorphOS application on 68k Amigas :-)
http://aminet.net/dev/gcc/m68k-amigaos-gcc2.95.3.tar.bz2
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IBrowse is much faster then Aweb.
2.3 ran quite slow on pages that had a lot of javascript but that has been sorted for 2.4.
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@mgerics
try to delete/rename the cookies in IB and the diskcache (if any).
Then, to check if your SSL installation is OK, goto this SSL Test Page (https://www.fortify.net/sslcheck.html)
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I used to be a fan of AWeb and used it for around 90% of the browsing, but after installing AmigaOS 4 final I noticed that there is IBrowse 2.4 OEM version which is much more useful than a demoversion - it still have some restrictions but they are not annoying once you are used to them. Firstly I tried it only for curiousity how it'll work and to my surprise it performed very well and the best feature I saw was that it showed the sites with cyrillic text in they respective alphabet, so no more problems with êèðèëèöà sites, for which I needed to switch fonts in AWeb. The tabbed browsing and built-in search-bar are great features and it looks very good. The only thing I used AWeb since then is to take my hotlist from there and import it to IBrowse. And not a single crash after using it for some days already. 1 week before my vote would go for AWeb, but now it's definately IBrowse 2.4.
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if you can, register it. It will fly! :-)
Does the IB 2.4 OEM have the "2 connections only" restriction?
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Framiga wrote:
if you can, register it. It will fly! :-)
Does the IB 2.4 OEM have the "2 connections only" restriction?
Quoted from the about:
Limitations
This is the AmigaOS4 OEM version of IBrowse 2.4, which has limitations including the following:
Five browser windows or browser tabs
Eight simultaneous connections
Four search bar entries
HTTP, FTP and file loading only
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Enough for my surfing needs.
P.S. The quote button works while posting now - never worked in any Amiga browser before, so I needed to "Copy and Paste".
:-D Also smilies.
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I think ibrowse is more compitable as it is now, but i still think that Aweb is the one with highest chance of being more successful in the future, which is due to the fact that Aweb is open source. Ibrowse will be doomed the day the developers give it up due to shrinking community and sales.
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So you guys surfing the web with the Amiga do you browse for fun or doing serious work?
Must suck not to have CSS support in any browser. Does not fonts mess up and such then? Luckily table based layout still hangs on..
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I set IBrowse2.4 demo to work fine on WinUAE, had to change default Times font to more standard Verdana & it worked very well... But pity, there is no Amiga+N shortcut or similar for New Page [to open in new tabbed window, as in Opera on FFox], page zoom [bigger font], GMail does not work [for me] etc, but it is nice to see a progress on my favourite browser when I was on the Amiga... Good old times :)
btw, here's snapshot of my yesterdaymorning's Winuae with IBrowse & Verdana fonts
http://www.djnick.dodgyrecordings.com/djnick.winuae.jpg
All best in NewYear.
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In addition to my Amigas, I also run Mac OS 9 on a G3 (seems I can't be bothered with a modern OS that's still supported, grin). Here's the fun part, there are many more sites that refuse to open on the antiquated versions of IE and Netscape that will still run in OS 9. Those same sites are usable in Ibrowse (perhaps not rendered perfectly), but they don't refuse and tell me to upgrade or use their browser of choice.
I've been using Ibrowse since it first came out and like it's bookmarks over Aweb's. I haven't upgraded to 2.4 yet, though.
Note to Amiga browser developers: Please don't give up, I appreciate your work!
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well drHirudo! so no problems speed wise also :-)
Just to compare (and curiosity) about IB2.3/2.4 settings .... how many connections and "Simultaneus downloads" have you set? (all)
Thanks
PS- bandwidht and system also
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You can change the font settings :-o
No you can't zoom... I don't use it, but whatever...
Flash is rock stable here...
Using GMail right now...
Maybe it's not the browser that's useless... sorry but I'm sick and tired of lazy ass people making judgement because they didn't try to make their program work. If you'd bought it I'm sure you would've put more time into it.
Works great on my A1 with AOS 4 Final ;-) ... and on the ML I'm reading loads of happy messages from happy classic owners...
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cv643d wrote:
So you guys surfing the web with the Amiga do you browse for fun or doing serious work?
Must suck not to have CSS support in any browser. Does not fonts mess up and such then? Luckily table based layout still hangs on..
I do serious work (research for my writing) browsing on my A4000T with IBrowse2.4 (and no problems with GMail here). Sure not all sites show up exactly as intended but most are still quite usable. And fonts are never a problem if you bother to set them properly. If you look hard enough, you can even find some packages on the internet with all the needed fonts and instruction on how to set them. For example, look towards the bottom of this page. (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/resources.php)
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So you're saying something obvious thinking that you're smart? When you're saying something clever I'll tell you. Till then, live in your little globe of "it's working for me"...
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I meant it must be weird of getting the same size font and the same style font everytime since most sites use CSS for styling text-size and font-style.