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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: ptek on December 23, 2006, 10:41:18 PM
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Hi all,
A few days ago I was surprised with the announcement of the EFIKA-5K2 mini board. As far I understood, it can run morphos.
Today I visited the Aminet and I just read that a version of UAE (e-uae0.8.29-WIP3) was uploaded.
The EFIKA board seemed a cool thing just to run an Amiga like OS (morphOS) and why not a bit of Debian Linux (as long you don't mind push the 128MB RAM too much) but I always thought that I wouldn't be able to play most Amiga HW banging games.
But with UAE, well, it could be a nice thing. I could even use a TV-out gfx card on the board and play on TV !
Does anyone with morphos (on Pegasus or EFIKA) may tell me if this UAE is a good port ? You know, decent speed on most games an so on.
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I am using e-uae here(believe 0,8.28) and speed is ok.
I am playing Banshee apydia turrican with whdload in the uae atmosphere.
But am using a pegasos2 overclocked to 1.27 Ghz.
Don't know if efika can handle it?
On this machine euae feels like a 1200 woth a 030 30MHz or something.
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@amiga4001,
BTW how much did your pegasos cost you ?
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Does it support vsync?
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I doubt UAE would be fast enough on EFIKA.
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Only the Intel versions of EUAE support JIT. It would be a lot faster on an equivalent Linux PC than on EFIKA.
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I use E-UAE PPC quite a bit on my Pegasos. It runs well, and should run nice on the efika once MorphOS gets released for it. For now if you get an efika all you can run is Linuc, MOS isnt released just yet for it.
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Well.. E-UAE on PegasosI isn't that fast.. just A500 speed I guess. For example SuperFrog runs ok, but sound clicks sometimes. So it's barely there... Efika is bit slower from CPU side, but has faster mem.. so hard to say how well it will run UAE :)
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Yes, it seems the efika will be not the right platform to run it a decent speed... Considering by the replies here that a Pegasos2 1GHz does it at the limit and efika has a lower speed CPU (400MHZ) and uses the same RAM (266MHz DDR) I'm not expecting much :(
JIT would be great.
Maybe running UAE on low-res modes and 22Khz sound would be possible. Is it possible to run UAE on Pegasos in full screen (not windowed)?
BTW is MOS free for those who buy Pegasos and efika (when available for the latter) ?
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Yes, MorphOS comes with every Pegasos and will do also with EFIKA later I think.
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UAE will be GREAT on Efika wether its Linux or MorphOS
The GP2X hendehld has UAE with only 64MB ram 200mhz cpu and sd card. has small Linux OS..!GP2X (http://www.gp2x.co.uk/)
It runs great!
There is archive here (http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,5,1215)
there are videos like Stunt Car Racer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDQYHSjHAdM&mode=related&search=)
and Turrican II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLSzqMuTeI&mode=related&search=) on YouTube that show off the gp2x UAE!
the efika has 2 usb ports for gamepads etc network for downloading roms sound and 2.5" disk...also could have tv out for games if it could be enabled.
400mhz ppc is more than enough power to run any old amiga game
If MorphOS is real light then should be perfect...
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The GP2X hendehld has UAE with only 64MB ram 200mhz cpu
Accordingly with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X , the GP2X have dual-core CPU at 200Mhz. Hmmm does the programs for it benefit of the dual core processing ?
The LCD display is 320x240. I don't know if the UAE emulator for it run at this resolution. If so, there should not be a problem for running no efika.
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and this on YouTube that show off the gp2x UAE!
well, the video show us a choppy soound processing (during the theme song) and frame skipping during gameplay ... But one cannot conclude if the frame skipping is due to bad recording...
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@Paradox
You are wrong. EFIKA is not powerful enough for smooth UAE emulation. Some light games might run fast enough, but anything more demanding will not.
It is not very smart to bring up false hopes about this. EFIKA is rather neat, but it is not a generic purpose desktop computer. I prefer to be honest about such things.
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Tis sad that there is no JIT type support on PPC. Amiga can't emulate Amiga as well as Windows...
...definatly a sad affair.
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so you telling me that a 400Mhz PowerPC CPU with 128MB ram cant play game for a 14MHz 020 with 2MB Ram?
you goto be kidding me :lol:
even if it takes alot of CPU power to emulate OCS AGA and Paula how can it run nice on this little GP2X?
As im saying all you need is small morphos or linux base system with minimal drivers for sound network cpu and gfx card and very basic gui with email photo viewer
Im almost positive that a 400Mhz PowerPC cpu and radeon 128 mb and 128mb ram can run old amiga games perfectly
Plus the videos above are from a very old version 0.6.2 of UAE4All similar to the xbox one.
The new one is version 0.6.4
Bet the new one is miles better!
Its goto be possible:roll:
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so you telling me that a 400Mhz PowerPC CPU with 128MB ram cant play game for a 14MHz 020 with 2MB Ram?
Exactly. If you had any clue how complex tasks UAE has to do, you would know this too.
Anyway, this is pointless. You will not get it.
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Ok lets make it a challenge to get a good old amiga game working of efika perfectly.
1st one to do it Ill give them £20
Now theres a little incentive I wanna play old amiga games on my Efika dont you?
Regards
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For £20 you can get a good Amiga on ebay for that. Much cheaper than an EFIKA and it works definitely.
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Yes but you cant run ppc linux & MorphOS aswell on old amiga 68k
Plus I already have 1200 to play on
With EFIKA you could do much more like play all types of consoles pcengine gba snes sega which you cant do on a stock a1200
The point of the conversation was to see if UAE would run an old amiga game or OS3.1 3.5 or 3.9 on Efika with Linux or MOS at an acceptable level.
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so you telling me that a 400Mhz PowerPC CPU with 128MB ram cant play game for a 14MHz 020 with 2MB Ram?
We are telling you that it maybe might not have the power to emulate smoothly an Amiga system (7Mhz or 14Mhz CPU, custom graphics chipset, custom audio system, and many hardware devices that makes the Amiga a complex piece of art). As Piru said, UAE does what is quite a complex task and believe me, years ago, an Amiga emulator on PC was thought as impossible.
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Its possible...
The Amiga 500 1200 isnt complex art..... what a load of rubbish.
I Pentium 166MMX can run an amiga game at acceptable levels!
Your having a laugh man!
THE EFIKA WILL HAVE UAE AND WILL PLAY OLD AMIGA GAMES PERFECTLY.....
IF GP2X CAN DO IT... EFIKA CAN!
:lol: :lol:
Should be able also to play pc engine snes gba sego nintendo etc and even old macos!
Regards...
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So, buy one and show us. I need to see to believe.
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Just look at GP2X's one its great
UAE4ALL and there sources at the archive.......
I have made new topic and channel on chat.freenode.net called efika to discuss this in more detail i will be there all the time
so please come to chat.freenode.net /efika to talk about it
Regards...
MERY XMAS!! :devildance: :devildance:
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@Paradox
How about you actually try running UAE on EFIKA before making these rather ignorant statements?
Like SamuraiCrow and XDelusion already pointed out, there is no JIT for PPC UAE.
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@ptek
This Paradox guy is a dealer (if you can imagine), he should have access to EFIKA. But as everyone can tell, he hasn't actually ran UAE on EFIKA.
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Im not getting my own till MorphOS is released for it.
I think your not getting the point.
Maybe now if you run E-UAE over a big bloated linux with swap files and allsorts. it will not run right..
But with MorphOS or a very light minimal Linux it should be OK.
Piru stop being stupid.
If you wanna talk to me talk on IRC im here now.
Merry Christmas!
going to eat christmas dinner :lol:
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@Paradox
Im not getting my own till MorphOS is released for it.
So basically you haven't ever used EFIKA at all, and you're just making this all up?
Have you ever used UAE on your Pegasos II G4?
I think your not getting the point. Maybe now if you run E-UAE over a big bloated linux with swap files and allsorts. it will not run right.. But with MorphOS or a very light minimal Linux it should be OK.
And I'm telling you EFIKA just doesn't have enough horsepower for UAE. Some very simple & light games might run somewhat acceptably, but anything more interesting requires faster system.
If you wanna talk to me talk on IRC im here now.
If only it was just IRC...
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for Games it isn't worth it... at least to most of them, some 3d games might benifit, but not that many
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@Paradox,
I really don't think Piru is being stupid, "au contraire". He is making a lot of sense, as always. He's wise and says what he thinks, sometimes in a direct way.
Anyway, looking at your profile ;) we can be assured that soon you're going to prove that we are all wrong about the efika.
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the proof is in the videos....
Its goto be possible
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@Paradox
I suggest you try it yourself before making any more comments about this.
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without emulating sound Efika could run most of the a500 games
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The GP2X hendehld has UAE with only 64MB ram 200mhz cpu and sd card. has small Linux OS..!GP2X
It runs great!
No it does not! It does not even run at a500 speed with sound emulation turned on. And mhz is not everything anyways... my old k6-2 450mhz was for example ALOT slower than even a pII 300mhz.
If MorphOS is real light then should be perfect...
UAE needs pure cpu perfomance and it does not matter much wether you run windows, linux or morphos providing that you urn the same version of uae on all platforms.
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The only one, who insists on being stupid here seems to be Paradox.
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UAE is ok on GP2X 200mhz 64mb flash so should be ok on EFIKA with 400mhz ppc (which is supposed to be better) with 128 mb ddr ram (which is quicker aswell)
the xbox ones good too that only got celeron 700 etc and 64mb I think.
Im not stupid just optomistic that its should be possible to play all old amiga games on efika perfectly.
I meen very basic type menu OS where you just selct program to run etc. similar to PSP or GP2X!
with:
Email
Internet
Storage
Programs
If im being stupid im sorry but ive made calculations as follows:
I run winuae without JIT on 1.6ghz with 64 ram selected and runs 3.1 install get sysinfo and my computer is 100x faster than an a4000/040. (red and goes of scale with white plus sign)
so wouldnt the Efika run 25x faster atleast?
Maybe Im not as clever as I would like to be at coding etc but this should be possible..
If I could I would prove you wrong
:idea: :idea:
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@Paradox
run winuae without JIT on 1.6ghz with 64 ram selected and runs 3.1 install get sysinfo and my computer is 100x faster than an a4000/040. (red and goes of scale with white plus sign)
Newsflash: syncthetic benchmark-tools lie under emulation. The actual performance is nowhere near 100x. SysInfo is especially bad here, it is an outdated application, anyway. Use some reallife benchmarks instead.
so wouldnt the Efika run 25x faster atleast?
Not even remotely close.
Maybe Im not as clever as I would like to be at coding etc but this should be possible..
Yes. No.
If I could I would prove you wrong
You're (supposedly) selling EFIKAs. Grab one, install your linux on it, and run UAE. Then come back with some results which prove me wrong. I'll be waiting.
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You are wrong. EFIKA is not powerful enough for smooth UAE emulation. Some light games might run fast enough, but anything more demanding will not.
Once upon a time I used to run UAE on a PII@350MHz: it could run most A500 games just fine, if a bit jerky on the sound side.
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Not meaning that it would run fast enough on the Efika, though, just saying that a "slow" CPU can still produce good results with UAE.
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Thankyou exactly what I was saying really.
We will prove you wrong PIRU and whomever is sceptic of UAE
a PPC 400MHz is fast enough im teling you.
Guess we will have to wait and see........
Anybody whos interested in games emultion on efika please come IRC at chat.freenode.net #efika I will be there.
Thankyou.
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@falemagn
Slow CPUs can produce good results on x86, mostly because of the JIT and L2 caches.
UAE with JIT patch was okayish on cel 400. Without JIT it was quite bad (lack of cache didn't help).
5200B has no L2 cache at all, only 16KB inst & data caches.
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We will prove you wrong PIRU and whomever is sceptic of UAE
I am still waiting.
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@Paradox
A Pegasos1 with G3/600Mhz has to skip frames to emulate an A500 at full speed. Maybe Efika memory controller helps a little, but don't expect to be able to emulate AGA games smoothly unless Bernd Meyer releases his m68k JIT emulator for PPC. Now that OS4 final is out maybe he gives the sources to Richard Drummond so he can integrate it into E-UAE.
Piru is right: You won't be able to run smoothly games/apps designed for anything faster than an A500 and you may have difficulties running A500 games that require cycle-perfect syncronization.
On the other hand MorphOS is enough light to run apps like Mail/Web browser/etc smoothly on a 400Mhz 603e without L2 cache.
BTW... there's nothing special in running UAE... any off the shelf pc can do it. A500 games ran smoothly on a P233MMX with "Fellow" (an old A500 emu). Efika will probably run UAE slower than a 400Mhz Celeron.
If Bernd Meyer released his PPC JIT and Richard Drummond integrated it on his E-UAE it would be a revolution for Amiga emulation on PPC. I guess that an Efika could easily emulate AGA games that don't require perfect sync if E-UAE used Bernd Meyer's JIT for PPC.
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@Paradox
1) A Pegasos1 with a G3 is not fast enough for UAE with sound and no frameskipping, how the hell would the Efika be fast enough?
2) The GP2X port relies on overclocking the GP2X CPU. It also *is* choppy with sound, and *does* have frameskipping.
3) Stop posting x86 examples, UAE has a JiT on x86 CPUs and x86s have L2 cache, unlike the PPC5200.
4) I suggest you stop being an idiot, Piru is one of the core MorphOS developers, he, of all people, should know what the Efika is or is not far better than you.
5) Stop all this incredibly ignorant crap about 166MHz PCs being able to run A1200 games, they cannot do any such thing on UAE, *hardware* emulation of a system as complex as the Amiga is incredibly demanding in raw CPU horsepower (not for any recent machine but the Efika does not have a powerful CPU) and this is not debatable, as anyone who has followed UAE's development and has ever actually used it knows. Fellow was faster on slower PCs but Fellow is dead.
6) You have proven that you are not technically minded, so stop arguing against people who know better than you.
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all off you! check these:
proof is there
src (http://www.pdx-team.net/uae4all-src.rar)
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win32 (http://www.pdx-team.net/uae4all-win32-rc1.rar)
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linux x86 (http://www.pdx-team.net/uae4all-linux-x86.rar)
works perfect
remember to rename kickstart roms to kick.rom and add you adf files etc
make sure select no save disk 100% throttle and 0 frame skip and sound on
works with 1.3 and 3.1 roms
Its possible.
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Paradox, meet Leirbag :roll:
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moto
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Proof of what, exactly? That a cross-platform application can be recompiled for other platforms? Wow! I have quite a few of my own compiles of E-UAE for MacOS X, should I upload them as well?
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Try it out silly
Its a great little program was made or dreamcast and others like gp2x
I think this would work great on efika
the argument is that efike coud play old amiga500 games easy if you knew more about it!!!
:roll:
just try the damn files.
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A system that is a as complex as Amiga you f**ing having a laugh :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
it should be easy to emulate a 68k cpu with aga and two 8 bit stereo channel sound
You are so daft your speaking out of your arse.
AMiGR stop butting in. I dont care who PIRU is. he dont even know what an amiga virus is :roll:
tattaa and have fun its christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who gives a {bleep}
you get no more out of me..
THIS THREAD LOCKED :madashell:
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he dont even know what an amiga virus is
recorded earlier (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/logs/paradox.txt)
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Piru wrote:
recorded earlier (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/logs/paradox.txt)
BTW, I knew Amber Inc /AmigaShop.co.uk sounded familiar..
AmigaWorld.net thread (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=5618&forum=16&viewmode=flat&order=0).. the loon even tried posting several times as customers :crazy:
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@Paradox
By default this UAE4ALL src uses FAME x86 assembly optimized m68k emulation kernel. If you disable it (powerpc does not execute x86 code), it uses regular UAE emulation.
Thus, on powerpc this is just regular UAE.
There is a portable C version of fame (famec), but UAE4ALL refused to work with it (the emulation is just stuck, nothing happens).
You somehow try to feed this as "proof" of something. Well surprise surprise, this doesn't prove anything. You would know this if you had actually tried it.
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@Doobrey
Some googling revealed this: UK retailer warning (http://forums.hexus.net/archive/index.php/t-6040.html)
Oh dear.. :-)
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Its possible.
Sorry for arguing the fact but I think it possiblet to play old a500 games on efika without problems somehow.
Piru sorry about coversation on IRC please can you unban me?
Lets just agree to disagree on both matters.
You CAN get Amiga virus's that stay on the system etc..
once there loaded up they stay there even without floppy or hd connected etc..
Ive had one myself :roll:
Theres already a thread giving reason to letting Amber-Inc.com expire. So I have created a new website instead.
Anyway just forget about it.
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I especially know about forums and website making things up about me or my business's
As you may know yourself the internet is full of trolls and jealous people that just cause trouble for you.
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Another thread (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43473)
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Piru
I just wanna to congratulate you because the discovery of the kickstart ROM nanorobot amiga virus, capable of modify code contained on KS rom in order to run itself without storage devices attached to the computer!
Kwel! :)
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@Paradox
You CAN get Amiga virus's that stay on the system etc..
once there loaded up they stay there even without floppy or hd connected etc..
You can not. Such virus is not possible, at least not on Amiga hardware.
There is no media to store the virus to. The only memory that can hold information over power loss are:
a) Kickstart ROM, read only memory (cannot be written to)
b) Battery backed realtime clock, about 16 bytes of volatile memory (in which only certain bitpatterns are valid, and which updates constantly as clock is ticking).
Thus, it is not possible to have code embeded to system that will "stay" over power lossage.
You are wrong.
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No im not.
how does the memory get onto th rom chips in the first place?
Im telling you m8. there is a virus that stays in the amiga when you turn of and on same stuff happens over and over again.
either very dark screen or blank screen or wierd colours.
Ive seen this on a few amiga1200's but never on a500's for some reason
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@Paradox
how does the memory get onto th rom chips in the first place?
From the mask used to manufacture the ROM chips. The ROM is hardwired at manufacture time, there is absolutely no way to reprogram it. Next you're telling me that ROM can be written to?
Im telling you m8. there is a virus that stays in the amiga when you turn of and on same stuff happens over and over again.
It is no virus. Such virus is not possible.
You claim you've fixed it with VirusZ. What is the name of the virus it finds?
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"Hardware embedded" amiga 1200 viruses?!? :lol:
Paradox whatever you're smoking must be pretty good, but I wouldn't suggest it long-term.
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The A1200s you saw must have had hardware faults causing those symptoms (like discoloured screens). If you actually believe a virus could rewrite a READ ONLY chip to remain after poweroff then you're an idiot.
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moto
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Paradox,
actually, such a virus does exists, but it's embedded in your head, not in the amiga.
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Most games aren't as dependent on CPU as they are on custom chips, so most of the time JIT wouldn't be of no use, still UAE gives a pleasant experience if you turn the sound off... even (namely) on less powerful machines
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actually, such a virus does exists, but it's embedded in your head, not in the amiga.
After reading through this whole thread, I'm sure that's impossible too, since his head appears to have been read-only at least since the age of 12.
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Linde wrote:
actually, such a virus does exists, but it's embedded in your head, not in the amiga.
After reading through this whole thread, I'm sure that's impossible too, since his head appears to have been read-only at least since the age of 12.
:lol:
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moto
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he dont even know what an amiga virus isrecorded earlier
Wow dudes, I never laughted so much from an IRC log!
Bless the day this threat was started!
:-)
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either very dark screen or blank screen or wierd colours.
Errr... These are the words from a man who doesn't even know the difference between a guru meditation and a virus ... or a hardware failure.
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Most of you are obviously not that clued up.
YOU CAN GET AMIGA 1200 VIRUS's THAT EFFECT HARDWARE AND STAYS EVEN WHEN YOU TURN OFF AND ON OR LEAVE OFF FOR AGES
you are completely insane.
I have had one of these virus's myself.
Absolute complete idiots..just becuse they are proven wrong time and time again you have to be stupid and bring up old {bleep} to try and back you up
your pathetic.
why cant we just talk normaly about this.
there are amiga hardware virus and you know it or you dont im not sure wether your taking the piss. :roll:
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@Paradox
...and the name of the impossible virus is? :-)
Since you're so convinced this virus exists and have successfully "purged" it from A1200s effectively "fixing" the problem, surely you can name the virus? VirusZ or other virus killer cannot fix anything they don't know about. So, what is the name of the virus?
YOU CAN GET AMIGA 1200 VIRUS's THAT EFFECT HARDWARE AND STAYS EVEN WHEN YOU TURN OFF AND ON OR LEAVE OFF FOR AGES
NO YOU CANNOT. SUCH VIRUS DOES NOT EXIST.
proven wrong
You haven't proven me wrong.
there are amiga hardware virus
Repeating these things over and over don't make them any more true. There is no such thing as "amiga hardware virus". That is a fact. It's trivial to prove aswell: There is no way to store the virus code anywhere in the amiga hardware.
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@pixie
That depends on which kind og game/demo you try to run. If you need to run a 060 demo like Starstruck, Lapsuus etc you can be sure a JIT will help. It won't make miracles with slow hardware not capable of emulating at full speed a 020 AGA machine. But once you have the power capable of emulating an A1200 without skipping frames a JIT will help a lot to run cpu hungry demos like Ocean Machine.
Unfortunately I doubt an Efika can emulate an A1200 without skipping frames... It will have hard time trying to emulate an A500 at full speed!
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It will have hard time trying to emulate an A500 at full speed!
Agreed.
UAE in 320x240 without sound could not run Sanity Arte even remotely acceptable speed. Frameskip of 5 made it look closer to A500 speed, but frankly frameskip of any kind just sucks. And this was without audio...
EFIKA is surprisingly snappy for it's spec, but it for sure isn't very suitable for UAE.
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@Paradox
First of all, you have no clue what you are talking about. The Amiga is *not* a simple system to emulate, period. I suggest you read the last paragraph on UAE on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_emulation) page.
Second of all, if you have no hard disk or floppy drive in your system, you have the following storage left in your system (no matter whether you can actually store code there or not).
1) Chip RAM. It's DRAM, meaning that as soon as you power-off, refresh of the capacitors stops and the leakage erases everything on it.
2) Registers: They also get wiped on power-off, no matter the implementation.
3) Non volatile memory if you have an RTC. You definitely cannot store code there, it's a few bytes and gets incremented all the time.
4) ROM. No matter what, you cannot store *anything* there after manufacturing. The ROMs are literally hardwired, either they are fabricated with the mask defining the data written in them or they have fuses blown for 0s, etc, there are various methods. EEPROMs can be electrically reprogrammed, but the Kickstarts are not EEPROMs and there also is no reprogramming circuitry built into the Amiga hardware.
I've got the Amiga A1200 schematics right here, you can download them yourself off the web if you like. If you can find a way to permanantly store code on this design, you will be able to get a hell of a lot of money off companies. :-)
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Its like ne of them virus's that survives warm reset but worse.
Read that gentlemens addition.
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AMiGR you stupid big nose arse licker.
There are virus's that stay resident in the system. even after you turn off an on.
Im telling you you run this virus attatched to a file and it turns your amiga off with some nasty colours and then your amiga is broke.
TRUST ME
I dont know what its called but it does say something quick before it screws you video up for life.
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@Paradox
Im telling you you run this virus attatched to a file and it turns your amiga off with some nasty colours and then your amiga is broke.
Virus can't break the hardware, except by mechanical wear. It is possible to damage the floppy drive via software, for example (step the r/w-head like mad). It is not possible to break the hardware in the way you describe (missing colour components).
TRUST ME
No-one trusts you. You are wrong and deliberately spreading misinformation. This isn't about trust anyway, but about facts.
I dont know what its called
Well, obviously you can't, since it does not exist (http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/amiga/desc/all.htm).
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@Paradox
Its like ne of them virus's that survives warm reset but worse.
Surviving warm reset is trivial. You either use CoolCapture/ColdCapture or KickTagPtr/KickMemPtr vectors in execbase.
There is absolutely NO way you can survice power off on std A1200.
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Paradox wrote:
AMiGR you stupid big nose arse licker.
You're going the right way for a ban young man!
Paradox wrote:
I dont know what its called but it does say something quick before it screws you video up for life.
Earlier you said you can fix it with Virus Z. Now you're saying it's screwed up for life. If you're going to lie, at least do it consistently.
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I will argue to im blue about this
you can get amiga a1200 virus that effects hardware and screws your video up and it remains the same after turn off and on
you are abviously misinformed.
sorry about that AMiGR but you asked for it. you know nothing either it seems.
earlier i was talking about virus z becuase it may help him but this virus nothing will help you apart from new motherboard.
It must knock out your video permanently.
Thankyou
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you can get amiga a1200 virus that effects hardware and screws your video up and it remains the same after turn off and on
earlier i was talking about virus z becuase it may help him but this virus nothing will help you apart from new motherboard.
It must knock out your video permanently.
<^Paradox> i have had virus that does it
<^Paradox> no way of removeing it unless run virus killer
<^Paradox> yeah has to be loaded with a file in the 1st place but once it loaded your {bleep}ed
<^Paradox> unsolvable with out virus killer etc
<^Paradox> alot of a1200 have been threw way due to this
<^Paradox> simple fix with virus z
logs/paradox.txt (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/logs/paradox.txt)
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Paradox wrote:
I will argue to im blue about this
you can get amiga a1200 virus that effects hardware and screws your video up and it remains the same after turn off and on
you are abviously misinformed.
sorry about that AMiGR but you asked for it. you know nothing either it seems.
earlier i was talking about virus z becuase it may help him but this virus nothing will help you apart from new motherboard.
It must knock out your video permanently.
Thankyou
If it's permanent damage that can't be fixed with a virus killer, how do you know it was caused by a virus? :-?
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becuase it loaded with a program...
as soon ass you run it it messed up the video and it was un reoverable even ofter reboot or power off..nackered..broken..you know ermm...not working.
powering on but with now video :roll: :lol:
belive me there is a certain virus or program that completely ruins the a1200. unless you can soldier new chips etc or run virus program???
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Obviously you dont know about it and think its not possible :lol:
I've had the virus or program myself and it blows away your video.
thankyou :-)
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I smell a big fat green troll...
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Just a thought - is it possible that a program could do irreversible damage to an Amiga? There's an article on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_poke) that says software can damage hardware (although I don't know if it's possible on an Amiga.)
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Paradox wrote:
becuase it loaded with a program...
Ah.. was this the time Elvis booted a pirated copy of Dynablast on your A1200 after a night long cellotape sniffing session?
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sorry about that AMiGR but you asked for it. you know nothing either it seems.
You seemed to think otherwise when you met me in BB3, Robert. It seems that your Chav manners are now showing...
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Im sorry AMiGR didnt meen it honestly.
Its just that there is an amiga a1200 hardware virus that messes up your video for good.
I dont care if you dont believe me anymore.
Lets get back to having fun!
Amiga.org rulez
:lol: :lol:
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Congratulations on making yourself look like an idiot in a public forum. I bet it's done wonders for your "business"!
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moto
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AMiGR stop butting in. I dont care who PIRU is. he dont even know what an amiga virus is
Are you kidding me?? There must be something supernatural about that virus then, considering that the Amiga has no place where such a virus can be stored after disconnecting the power.
Either you are total retard when it comes to computers or you are simply just trolling.
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I have had the virus myself what is the point in lying
believe it or not but its true
the program screws your video up and is iriversable ...maybe you can fix it but didnt know how
its a program that brakes the hardware or modifies it or blows a restistor or something becuase it looks wierd when it happens on screen but you only see it once
its like a black screen the a white and yellow line goes down and then nothing..turn on turn off dont makes no difference
i had used this 1200 for ages and it all happened when i purchased a 3.1 install disk and the virus was attatched to the english setup in install folder...... very funny
i dont care if you believe me or not anymore.. ive told you the virus broke an a1200. you may have bee able to fix it with soldieribng or virus killer tho
thankyou
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It sounds more like a conicidence. Everyone who know how the amiga works, will know for a fact that what you say is not possible. Why have no one besides you heard of this virus when you claim that this virus has destroyed alot of amigas?
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well you are as daft as the rest that dont believe me you muppetts
you can get software that {bleep}s amiga hardware up just by clicking on the attached file
the daft sod.
ffs
that the end of it...i know
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you can get software that {bleep}s amiga hardware up just by clicking on the attached file
The only thing that can be broken via software is mechanical devices, such as the floppy drive. Even that requires considerable time (stressing the r/w head by moving it up/down track very fast).
You can't destroy amiga via software.
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piru do you want a brew m8 whilst your wating for my next reply?
how about a game of poker?
software CAN damage amiga hardware
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software CAN damage amiga hardware
Other than mechanical parts (such as floppy drive r/w head), how?
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Pentium 166MMX can run an amiga game at acceptable levels!
With fellow a500 games was playable on my 200mhz mmx but suffered from slowdowns and jerky sound during some graphical hungry scenes/games. Any kind of uae however was way to slow. And fellow only exist for dos/windows afaik. The gp2x cannot do it either. I have no doubt that you can play a500 games on your efika, but it wont run at full a500 speed with sound emualtion turned on.
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well you are as daft as the rest that dont believe me you muppetts
So if we are muppets, your name is Pinocchio for sure :-)
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it just can i dont know how just messes you video up m8 honestly
no need to lie about it
anyway im off for a few races on trackmania nations :-)
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I dont know what your talking about here. But there is a Amiga virus named as Ebola. Once its installed, its pretty hard to get ridd off.
I never had Saddam or CCCP etc. Had Byte Bandit and Lamer Exterminator sometimes, but there is a virus called Ebola which is mystic. I dont know what it does, but it messes up with the startup-sequence and uses up lots of mem.
I formated my HD on my A1200 many times to get ridd of it. Virus checked all of my disks etc.
When Ebola was attacking, ViruZ or VirusChecker found it and killed it. After some time, it appeared again.
I found the virus on my Dpaint 5 disks mostly. Ebola dosent harm other than AmigaOS feels very slow and different.
Maybe your talking about Ebola?
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@paradox
If such a virus exists, post it somewhere, that clears up the argument. We can reverse engineer it and see what it's doing.
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motorollin wrote:
Congratulations on making yourself look like an idiot in a public forum. I bet it's done wonders for your "business"!
Heh! I'm amazed at the number of errors in the web site. I deliberately avoid any sites full of mistakes - if the vendor can't even be bothered to check the web site properly, it speaks volumes about how the rest of the business is conducted...
Here's a list of things for you to correct, Mr. Paradox...
* The header graphic is ugly due to it having been scaled by the browser from 205px (actual image) to 210px (in the HTML)
* References (to links, graphics, etc) are absolute instead of being relative
* 1st paragraph of text, "CPU's" should be "CPUs"
* 2nd paragraph, "usb" should be "USB", "LED's" should be "LEDs", "Extra Large Side" doesn't need to be capitalised, "componants" should be "components", "to large" should be "two large"
* (After all the copied paragraphs from the manufacturers), "DISCRIPTION" should be "DESCRIPTION"
* Next paragraph heading, "WARRANRY" should be "WARRANTY"
* Same paragraph, "manufacturers warranty" should be "manufacturers' warranty", "you are safe hands" should be "you are in safe hands"
* "there is now FREE SHIPPING to UK Mainland in time for Christmas!" is now out of date
This, plus what you've been saying in this and other threads really isn't doing you any favours...
- Ali