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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: fatman2021 on May 29, 2003, 05:57:03 AM
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Who has or will buy an AmigaOne Computer System?
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fatman2021 wrote:
Who has or will buy an AmigaOne Computer System?
Oh, I'll probably buy one once the reviews start rolling in after OS4 is released.
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*when* OS4 it's ready to rock and it has a good audio sw - tracking sw (ProStation Audio, Renoise) to play with it...
I will buy an AmigOne w OS4...
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Have one XE-G4 on order. But at this rate, I'll probably receive
it by the time T_Bone orders his ... ;-)
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SlimJim
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AmigaOne XE G4 on order here :-) .
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I'll probably buy an A1 - but only when OS4 is out.
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Yeap.... I joined the Eyetech' s Amiga One saving scheme last november.
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When AOS4 is out for AOne.
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I've got a G4-XE on order.
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Sometimes next year I guess. By then OS4 is released, maybe the price of A1 have dropped a bit and it's proven to work.
I'd also need a new house.. old one's filled with computers already :-)
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My A1XE is about to be sent from Eyetech - imminently ! :-o
I ordered mid November.
JurassicCamper, check your PM...
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Hi. I reply you with my AmigaOne G4!!!
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I'll buy one late summer/fall 2003. Have not enough money for now...
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As soon as Eyetech receive the latest batch of A1XE-G3 boards, in theory one of them is mine :-D . I will believe it when I see it though ;-) .
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I am viewing this thread on my A1G4-XE....
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@Shadow
Any other sceners you know having A1 or planning to get one?
Hooligan/DCS
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Any other sceners you know having A1 or planning to get one?
Don't I count? :-P
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I have mine.
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@Tickly
Was asking does he know others besides us three :)
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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
Any other sceners you know having A1 or planning to get one?
No, I know some that are trying to get a pegasos
:-)
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I got my A1XE on May 5. There are some pictures on the QAUG web site.
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Qaug web site qaug.dyndns.org/qaug
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@Shadow
Then they're not actually interested in buying one, as Pegasos are
still in stock for several resellers. If I remember, Pegasos-UK, GGS,
Versala, and computer city still have them in stock at least as of
last friday, when I asked.
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@Downix
They are not. They want a completely free Pegasos-system. We will see how it turns out :)
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I have a1 g4 on order.
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Well,
Unless you are a serious LINUX fan, I would not recommend buying an Amiga one because Hyperion does not even have OS4 out for Cyberstorm! That means the Amiga 1 version probably wont be released until end of Summer earliest! So, if you want to spend $1000 on a Linux box - get one. IF you want a fast Amiga environment on a PPC machine buy a Pegasos.. Genesi has Morphos in a stable state - though still "beta" with the soon coming MOS 1.4 release it should be a full public user version. Highly recommended. I'm typing it on one now with Ibrowse and its the fastest thing I"ve seen in computers.
magnetic
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Despite that I write from Pegasos/IBrowse too, the thread is about the AmigaONE. Can we stay on topic please? :-)
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Unless you are a serious LINUX fan, ....
*sigh* it happens every time theres a thread about AmigaONEs :)
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I'm planning on getting an XE when OS4 is released, and when I can afford it :)
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Uhh... the thread is : Should people buy an Amiga ONE. I think my post is COMPLETELY ON TOPIC. MY answer is NO, not right now. It is great hardware (except for DMA bugs) but there is NO OS YET.
magnetic
ps Posts about running only LINUX on A1 WILL keep coming up until OS4 is RUNNING on A1. People are laying out hard earned $$ and are not informed enought about what is REALLY going on in the Amiga world and will be dissapointed with LINUX. They bought the machines to run OS4 NOT Linux (well most of them) the way Ainc talked - no talk - about OS4 is that its right around the corner and IT ISNT even close for A1. We'll see about OS4 on Cyberstorm soon I hope.
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Uhh... the thread is : Should people buy an Amiga ONE.
No. The thread is about:
"Who has or will buy an AmigaOne Computer System?"
Sorry. :-)
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As soon as there's an OS and assuming Elbox perform a miracle, I'll do a direct comparison between the SharkPPC/OS4, Pegasos/MophOS and AOne/OS4.
How can I possibly chose until they're all on the market?
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Warface: right :)
PMC: Elbox? You mean Mediator support and Shark PPC - I would forget about it if I were you. Hyperion has their hands full just getting OS4 on Cyberstorm never mind Shark. A1 is the next priority. Maybe a year from now for Shark Support... if Ever
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@Magnetic
WHEN people like you come on HERE and start acting like TOTAL arses. It serves NO purpose but to TURN people OFF whichever system THEY are evangilsing.
I'm SURE you'd throw a mental IF someone came onto a thread about a new MorphOS feature and STARTED raving about stolen source or SOME other nonsense.
p.s. : Yes I am taking the piss.
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@uncharted
First off I never post like this. I'm just tired of the Ainc BS. I'm WARNING people about Amiga 1 reality. IF they had OS4 running on it I would be the FIRST to endorse it. Fact of the matter is its going to be months before even a BETA of OS4 on A1. THIS IS FACT. (IF ANYONE FROM HYPERION WISHES TO PROVE THIS IS FALSE PLEASE DO SO) I respect Hyperion and like them very much. They have a lot on their plate. But, I feel bad for all the poor blind Amiga zealots that believe everything Fleecy says or Ainc posts. What is it like 5 people that run Ainc from their home office or something?
What if they cant get OS4 running on A1? Then what? All the poor believers will be out $1000. I'm going to a friend's house tonight becuase he is having trouble installing LInux on his A1. Eyetech/Hyperion didnt even supply people with a Linux installer! Ah... whatever.
Oh, and as far as "stolen code" goes. Everyone at this point knows its bullshit. The old Phase5 guys were the FIRST to have a NATIVE PPC OS for Amiga. If Amiga INC had went with Ralph and Frank and MorhpOS for OS4 we would all be running it NOW on G4s and whatever else.. And they wouldnt be almost bankrupt like they are now!
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Ehm, please don't turn this one into a flamewar.
Don't get THAT off topic.
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I've waited ten years for a successor to my A1200(s), and am prepared to wait a little longer. Nobody knows exactly how things are going to turn out, so I'll continue to bide my time until such a point when (if) I can look at each solution in detail and make up my mind then.
Mangetic, I know your post was well intentioned, but please remember that stuff like that is often treated as flamebait by those who've nothing more constructive to say. Not knocking you mate, but I don't think this place really needs more of that kind of thing going on.
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@magnetic
You're quite wrong there.. AmigaOS4 is coming, and that right soon.
See AmigaOS 4.0 On Tour (http://www.kdh-shop24.de/on_tour_info_e.htm).
And, as far as the stolen source code comment goes, I think you missed the point, which is not the accusation's accuracy or validity itself but that of bringing it up in every post that comes up just as a distraction to your cause from the current topic.
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I don't know if I will buy an AmigaONE, maybe the AmigaTWO...no don't go searching on google, I mean the next version...or maybe another licensee if that ever happens.
Maybe it will be an amigaONE, like others I am just waiting on a confluence of events....a reasonable price (though i will pay a premium, just not a $500 premium)...OS 4 a must, probably some good OS 4 apps, like 3d renderers, animation studio's, etc....
and oh yes, the biggest obstacle may be that I'll buy something else on impulse, and then I have my quota of computers in the house.....I almost bought a pegasos, and that would have killed the idea of an AmigaONE for me...how many weird computers does a person need (I would normally say all he can get, but my wife might not agree).
but all in all probably a 25% chance i will own an amigaONE sometime.
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I'll buy one when OS4 rocks on it. Or maybe I'll buy the BlizzardPPC version (low finances @ the moment) and wait for the 64bit PPC from IBM to come to the Amiga.
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Be getting Aone when Aos4 is out.
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Fact is, it's an expensive toy. That said, I will buy one when I have the money to justify buying an expensive toy. Probably in the fall.
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I will after OS4 is out, and after I see what kinds of software is being developed, and after I see some reviews and After I see a AmigaOne in action, working on some ones desk, showing off all of its earth shattering features, and mind blowing software.
Just like the day I was going to buy an Atari 1040st system at J&R computers, but the Amiga 500 was sitting right next to it and after about 4 hours of playing around with each system the Atari and the Amiga (man I was in the store the entire day), I decided on the Amiga 500. its like that with almost every new platform I took into consideration.
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@Hmetal
I'm glad someone from the OS4 team posted. When you say I'm "wrong" about OS4 are you saying that it will be running PPC native on the 7th (the start of the tour) I hope so. I just want to know if that is what you are saying.
magnetic
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on order already :-D
spookyx
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magnetic wrote:
@Hmetal
I'm glad someone from the OS4 team posted. When you say I'm "wrong" about OS4 are you saying that it will be running PPC native on the 7th (the start of the tour) I hope so. I just want to know if that is what you are saying.
magnetic
"Did I say so? No." That's all what you will get from him.
*sigh*
I've edited out the rest as it was a personal insult on an Amiga Inc employee, mixed with a personal opinion on his knowledge, suggestions, and a bit of calculation concerning OS4 expected release date.
Can we say on topic, and self restraining ourselves from telling other people they are wrong, when they are right on spot? And using false suggestions, wording it so that we can deny it later? Thank you.
A little more responsibility please.
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Like many of the others, I too plan to get one once OS4 is out... can't wait (though obviously have too)
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Eh, Jose, whatever gives you [color=990000]Piece of Mind[/color][/i], mate !!
rawk 'n' Raawlllll !!
My A1 is currently (at my request) held up at Eyetech - I will be on me 'olidies for a coupla weeks, and dont want it waiting for me at home causing a damper on my family vacation !
and yes I bought it to run AmigaOS on it, but NO I dont mind only having Linux for the time being. As it Happens I have Debian on me 1200T - bit of a Dog on an 030/AGA - cant wait to see it on a PPC/Radeon ! so there ! :-D
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I buy it!!! immediatly when os4.0 is ready and
selling.
world most powerful and hitech computers system!!!
every body wand ine of these!!!!!! :-D :-D
there is not bottlenecks like pc motherboards have.
only 32bit system... poor!!!!
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I also got a G4 XE amigaone on order
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I had an AmigaOne XE on order, but I cancelled it in January when I became fed up of waiting for a status update from Eyetech. I had decided that as I had been good enough to pre-order their product then the least they could do was to keep me informed about how and when it would be delivered.
Now I'm just sitting on the sidelines and monitoring the situation. As soon as OS4 is ready then I'll re-order an AmigaOne with the fastest available processor. Meanwhile, I'll keep playing with my PC's and classic Amigas...
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"You're quite wrong there.. AmigaOS4 is coming, and that right soon."
The problem is that this has been repeated so many time it is meaningless without some sort of timescale.
Eyetech offered AmigaOnes in 2002 with the statement "Our best estimate is that OS4 will be available in Jan 2003". What could this estimate possibly have been based upon?
When somebody said it won't be ready by Easter 2003 they were shouted down with "Shut up - you know nothing - it is progressing"
When somebody said it won't be ready by Summer 2003 they were shouted down with "Shut up - you know nothing - it is progressing"
OS4 modules running on PPC accelerators is very different from a full release of OS4 for AmigaOne machines. OS4 forAmigaOne is not Hyperion's priority. I have seen a post from Hyperion which said they hoped or believed they could have it ready before the end of the year. Why not just announce that as a target date. We can then settle down with AmigaOnes and Linux without fretting about AOS4 for another six months.
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Hi all,
I would like to suggest anyone talking here to put yourself in standby i.e to wait for the OS4 tour.
After that, we'll be able to talk again about all this. And this time, we'll have interesting things to say...
Thanks.
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Have One
1) Clooned G4
2) Shadow A1G4-XE
3) jprue
4) JoeG A1XE
On order
5) SlimJim XE-G4
6) Bodie XE-G4
7) JurassicCamper
8) Tickly XE-G4
9) Agafaster A1XE (arr. soon)
10) Radfoo A1XE-G3 (arr. soon)
11) amigamad A1 G4
12) spookyx
13) SSSMoves G4 XE
When AOS4.0 is out
14) SklEr0
15) alx
16) Ohno
17) mikeymike XE
18) PMC then maybe
19) Jose
20) Alkemyst
21) Thellenbow (Maybe buy, fall)
22) WarPiper
23) sim
24) Sloxa
25) Darrin maybe 1.3GHz
Future
26) Giovanni late summer/fall
27) Atheist late summer/fall A1 XE G4 @1.3 GHz
HMetal didn't say
For me, what's holding me back is raising the money. I am prepared to buy it, sight unseen, as I know, they (Hyperion) know what Amigans EXPECT.
As for it being expensive, someone has to absorb the cost of R&D. Even Sony did it with the high cost of PS1, and they're a multi-billion dollar company.
Remember the OUTRAGEOUS price of Neo-Geo and 3DO??
I'm going to buy an A1 XE G4 @1.3GHz.
Put in 2 gigs of ram and FLY.
750 Meg Zip drive, RAID HD 2*80 Gig.
ATI 7500
Desktop case (hori.), not a tower.
Should get a Catweasel to read Amiga floppies.
Hope to be able to boot off of a 32 Meg compact flash card (for those oooos and aaahhhhssss)!
AmigaOne! Look how few people on Earth will have a computer that works! :-D
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@ Atheist
Man you have too much time on your hands
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Writing this using Opera on my AmigaOneG4XE. :-)
@magnetic:
Look, mate, I don't pollute Pegasos related threads with Amiga propaganda. Why can't you do the same with Amiga threads and Pegasos propaganda, eh? All you're accomplishing with this behaviour is making the MOS community look bad.
Kay
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@Kay
It was not intended to be mean spirited or a "flame post" I usually never post like that. That one guy from UK pissed me off so I ranted. I'm sorry to everyone.
Warface pointed out I was OT. I thought I was on topic. Follow the thread...
Anyway, I thought people thinking of buying an Amiga 1 should KNOW THE FACTS about what is happening with OS4 - not this "its coming" nonsense. Fact is Hyperion cant say when OS4 will be done for A1, they cant even say when it will be released for Cyberstorm. *notice noone from Hyperion posted to this thread* *also notice how Hyperion's name is not associated with the "OS 4 roadshow"
cya
magnetic
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AmigaOne G3-XE here.
Rock solid, working well, and DID come with a Linux Install disk (for the post that says it didn't)
No OS4 here YET, but I'll remain silent on that point.
Regards,
Ben de Waal
AKA Yttrium Oxide
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Anyway, I thought people thinking of buying an Amiga 1 should KNOW THE FACTS about what is happening with OS4 - not this "its coming" nonsense. Fact is Hyperion cant say when OS4 will be done for A1, they cant even say when it will be released for Cyberstorm. *notice noone from Hyperion posted to this thread* *also notice how Hyperion's name is not associated with the "OS 4 roadshow"
Magnetic, you've TOLD US THE FACTS at least three seperate times in this particular thread already.
As a matter of fact, if you haven't noticed, every major amiga message board has had at least one person (usually more like 10 or so) TELLING US THE FACTS that you seem to need to promulgate in your great civic duty to the public.
It is virtually impossible for someone to spend more than 5 minutes looking at nearly any amiga message thread without your particular nugget of info coming up, so how about you find a different piece of information to repeat endlessly on the message boards until it becomes pollution, nobody's shocked by your current message, people have been yelling it for years.
-Wain
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@magnetic:
Ah, okay then, how about this: I have the next two months off (having my last exam today :-)), so I'll spend that time posting on every Pegasos related thread, telling everybody "the truth" about:
*Bill Buck
*The MOS community
*The Pegasos platform's chances of survival
After all, this is "the truth" about the Pegasos, so I will be completely on-topic and just doing my duty every time I warn people against getting involved with the platform.
Then you just tell me when it gets tiresome, and I'll continue doing it anyway.
Kay
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*notice noone from Hyperion posted to this thread* *also notice how Hyperion's name is not associated with the "OS 4 roadshow"
cya
magnetic
From amiga-news.de (http://www.amiga-news.de) "Especially we are very delighted to present some developers and members of Hyperion. At this event the following persons will be present: Steffen Häuser, Hans-Jörg Frieden and Thomas Frieden."
Well.. so much for your theory. :-o
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@Kay
I hope you are joking. :-D
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Jose wrote:
I'll buy one when OS4 rocks on it. Or maybe I'll buy the BlizzardPPC version (low finances @ the moment) and wait for the 64bit PPC from IBM to come to the Amiga.
You'll have a long wait for the BlizzardPPC version, since I get the impression we're unlikely to see it before the AOne version is out. In any case, I'm prepared to bet that once people see the Aone version, they won't be interested in buying PPC accelerator cards instead: it's going to be so much faster.
As for IBM's 64-bit PPC, it isn't available for any desktops right now. It's pointless waiting for it, if that's all you're waiting for, since the AOne boards have their processor on an easily-removable module (yes, it is easy to remove. I checked) and all you'd have to do is swap the CPU module and upgrade your system to the 64-bit OS of your choice.
Not much point in running a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit system is there? :-D
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YttriumOx wrote:
AmigaOne G3-XE here.
Rock solid, working well, and DID come with a Linux Install disk (for the post that says it didn't)
G3-XE here as well, rock solid, working well despite being slightly overclocked (reliability testing, do not try this at home as it may invalidate your warranty :-P ).
It came with TWO Linux install disks, SuSE and Debian, as do all the mobos I sell as well. And, like the other dealers, I'll supply the CDs for the distro or even install it myself if the customer buys a config and wants it ready to run.
And to wring the neck of another "fact" I can see coming, there is plenty of tech support from experienced Linux users both in English on the main dev list and in the language of your choice on the dealers' support lists.
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I have an A1G4. ..and Linux isn't all that bad. In fact I will have to dual boot when OS4 comes out because I'm really beginning to like it.
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@ HMetal
HMetal wrote:
@magnetic
You're quite wrong there.. AmigaOS4 is coming, and that right soon.
See AmigaOS 4.0 On Tour (http://www.kdh-shop24.de/on_tour_info_e.htm).
Oh, so basically you are saying (judging from the context in which you post, the statements you are answering to, and the contents of your own post) that OS4 is going to be released to end users, running on the A1 hardware, on 07.06.2003? I was under impression that the "OS4 On Tour" was just a controlled demonstration of the OS, running on legacy Amiga PPC hardware? That is of course nice and long waited for, but surely you must understand that this has nothing to do with either release nor the A1 hardware (you were answering to a statement which said "unless you are a linux freak, don't buy an A1 at this point because linux is all you are going to run on it for a long time")?
For this demonstration they will propably use a somewhat "clean" HW setup with their choice of programs, carefully selected. All the parameters will be known. But a final end-user version, ready for release, will have to run stable in all thinkable HW configurations where the user has spent the previous 10 years or so patching the system in different ways (many unknown parameters).
I would guess that a CSPPC version of OS4 won't be released until late summer/fall at the earliest. And then we are still speaking of an OS running in a legacy envireonment, where the custom chips are still available. My guess is that Hyperion at this time focus their efforts towards bringing OS4 out to the classic Amiga instead of the A1 (guessing the reason: some parts of the OS still depends on the legacy hardware envireonment and they want to release a product ASAP to get momentum for further development). The A1 comes after that, and that will be a complete ailien envireonment for the OS (and the applications running on it), and I guess it will take some more time to make the OS and legacy applications run stable on that HW. After all, "you will only have 1 chance to make a good first impression", and you really don't want to release an OS that can be crashed by some certain legacy applications, not after all the laughs, sneering and mockery MorphOS/Pegasos rendered because of this fact. My guess is that OS4 is still very far away from the A1 hardware. Christmas 2003? Perhaps too optimistic. Q1/Q2 of 2004?
A lot of guessing as you can see. But at least I try to base them on realistic assumptions. If you don't agree and is replying to this, please do the same.
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Atheist wrote:
Have One
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On order
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When AOS4.0 is out
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Future
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Add a fifth category, "When OS4 is released for better A1 hardware than the current, with a reasonable price". You can count me into that category! :-)
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anarchic_teapot wrote:
As for IBM's 64-bit PPC, it isn't available for any desktops right now.
Like some other things. :-P
It's pointless waiting for it,
Well ... :-P :-P
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OT ALERT!
@takemehome grandma
Nice avatar. I was going to insult you, til I realised that XOOPS have Herbert de Vaucanson and Alcibiade among their collection of avatars.
Unfortunately I can't find Zongo, so if anyone knows where I can find one please let me know.
Rose, who happens to be a fan of the 'Donjon' comic books
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anarchic_teapot wrote:
I was going to insult you,
OK, no need for that, I am sorry for the sarcasm above. No harm intended. I guess some things are worth waiting for, other things are not. ;-)
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@DaveP:
Well, I wasn't joking in the sense of trying to be funny, but no, I am of course not going to be trolling every Pegasos/MOS thread for two months :-). I was merely trying to get him to see how his behaviour looks from my standpoint. I don't mind people buying Pegasoses (Pegasi?) at all. My standing towards the entire MOS/Pegasos issue is that I don't care either way, as long as it doesn't significantly affect the platforms I do care about. So I usually stay out of any discussion about it.
Kay
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
anarchic_teapot wrote:
I was going to insult you,
OK, no need for that, I am sorry for the sarcasm above. No harm intended. I guess some things are worth waiting for, other things are not. ;-)
I was actually referring to your avatar, but cheers anyway.
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anarchic_teapot wrote
As for IBM's 64-bit PPC, it isn't available for any desktops right now. It's pointless waiting for it, if that's all you're waiting for, since the AOne boards have their processor on an easily-removable module (yes, it is easy to remove. I checked) and all you'd have to do is swap the CPU module and upgrade your system to the 64-bit OS of your choice.
Uhhh I don't think the current AOne boards can handle the IBM 970's.
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I have to admit, I've become disenchanted with all of the G3/G4 Amigas at this point. Untill OS4 is mature and has demonstrated legit coolness, I have placed my intention to buy on hold.
Right now, all I really want to see is the Amiga ColdFusion upgrade (assuming it does end up working). I want as much 68k power out of my A4000 as I can get!
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YttriumOx:
AmigaOne G3-XE here.
Augh! I've had mine on order since December 18 and paid for mine up front. Still waiting for SOMETHING to arrive on my doorstep.
Doug
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I will buy an AOne. But I had to spend all my money on a new car, I managed to kill the one I had :-) damn FORD :-(
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Yes I will Buy an AmigaONE G4-XE but only when AmigaOS 4.00 PPC will be avaiable !!! I can use Linux but only AmigaOS is the real OS for a real Amiga !!!
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Mine's been on order since the Nov show.
Patiently waiting through every "two week"delays.
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> Not much point in running a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit system is there?
Actually, there is a point. If it's still 32-bit compatible (true), then the fast 64-bit integers can give quite a boost to the math librarys.
Not to talk about 64-bit applications(!).
But on the other hand, the waiting for a 64-bit PPC to be available for the A1 can be a long one.
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i will probably get an a1 g4-xe after os4.0 has been released and i can afford it :-P
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I will get a G4-XE when OS 4 is available.
-Wain