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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: weirdami on December 13, 2006, 04:17:55 AM
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We all know who is famous for claiming everything he had was "military spec", but is that a real specification for Amiga's? And, while we're at it, what are those specifications (real or claimed) supposed to be?
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nuclear powered, water resistant and bullit proof! Telepathic CPU interface.
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Ceramic chips in sockets in a Amiga 2000.
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Ceramic chips in sockets in a Amiga 2000.
That's it? Were there any like that? Whatever that means.
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Well the Amiga 1000's came with ceramic chips and some early 2000s too. Those are the ones DM was talking about. He knows what he is talking about. Also the sockets are great as you can swap out bad chips. :P
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There you go, MilSpec in all its glory:
(http://i5.pbase.com/g6/57/719657/3/70956383.7RDIC3tr.jpg)
(http://i5.pbase.com/g6/57/719657/3/70956386.6WR6KFVL.jpg)
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Doomy eat your heart out!!!!
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TjLaZer wrote:
Doomy eat your heart out!!!!
I know we're not really supposed to talk about this guy, but I was wondering if everything he says here (http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/amiga2000.htm) about the Amiga 2000 is true? Because I always thought the A1000 and A3000 were the groundbreaking big-box models!
I was under the impression he was only ever banned for offensive/vulgar language, and not because he tells complete lies?
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Retail Amigas arent Mil-spec, though some of the older ones are built like a tank, maybe thats what the dreaded doom-meister was on about?
I was reading about mil-spec recently, most military hardware has pretty unexciting computer tech' inside, like field laptops with monochrome LCD and 386 CPUs. Of course, theyre water/dust proof , can handle high/low temperatures, have long battery life, are radiation hardened and you can run over them with a truck.
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Another requisite feature of mil-spec'ness is gold plated pins on the ICs
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MIl spec involves ceramic chips(most hardened with radiation) and gold leads in all IC's and contact points. Also all components caps, resistors, ect 5% or less rating. I have seen this as standard for the last 25 years working in aerospace. I like amigas but have never seen this to be the case in amiga.
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ok, but was there ever a MILF spec Amiga ? ;-)
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Agafaster wrote:
ok, but was there ever a MILF spec Amiga ? ;-)
Yes. Any Amiga ever touched by Kiki Stockhammer :lol:
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but I was wondering if everything he says here about the Amiga 2000 is true?
Did you see the prices he assigns his joystick collection!
http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/joysticks.htm
Bwaaa Haaaa! :lol:
WICO bat handles for $50 (I have 10 in my collection) :lol:
Wico Red Ball for $75 :lol: (I have 1)
Competition Pro Cream colour for $75 :lol: (I have 1)
Epyx 500JX for $25 (I have 4) :lol:
Amiga Power Stick $300 :lol: :lol: (I have 1)
Commodore Joystick $175 (I have 2) :lol: :lol:
All of the above joysticks I picked up for a buck each at thrift stores, and they are NOT rare.
Just because you SAY something is worth $300 DOES NOT make it so. If that were the case, I have $3000 of joysticks sitting in a cardboard box in my basement.
:lol: :lol:
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Is THIS (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=489=38) what you mean?
JaX
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Did you see the prices he assigns his joystick collection!
http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/joysticks.htm
Good point.
.. If that were the case, I have $3000 of joysticks sitting in a cardboard box in my basement.
:lol: :lol:
Lol, that would be cool! 8-)
You could get a few CSPPCs for a bunch of joysticks!!!
(Sorry for the thread drift btw. I'll shut up about this now, clearly a lot of what he says is b**lucks.)
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Technically links to doomy's crap isn't allowed here, he has quite a few game ADFs stuffed on there ;-).
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amiga92570 wrote:
MIl spec involves ceramic chips(most hardened with radiation) and gold leads in all IC's and contact points. Also all components caps, resistors, ect 5% or less rating. I have seen this as standard for the last 25 years working in aerospace. I like amigas but have never seen this to be the case in amiga.
Mil-Spec doesnt require ceramic parts or gold leads on IC or contact points. Mil Spec mostly has to do with temperature requirements of parts which is more to do with Mil-Temp then anything else, thats why most were ceramic, because in the beginning most plastic parts couldnt take the temperature environment when plastic parts first came out. I've delivered systems to most every fighter, the apache, v22, c130, and several version of AWACs and not a one has had parts with gold leads. In addition, the only aircraft that still flys and requires rad hardness (which is a different spec) is the B-52, and that may be going away as a requirement there. Space programs require rad hardness and gold is really a throwback to the space spec, but thats a whole different set of specs with different requirements, and the leads on all those parts arent made of gold there basically plated for better conductivity, we used to do it here for the space stuff. Were Amiga parts ever Mil-Spec, no, its possible that the MOS ceramic parts would have passed such a test if it had been carried out, but it never was, and anyone implying that they were Mil-Spec parts is incorrect. However the A2000 in my closet did play in Zero-G for awhile on the Vomet Comet, thats kinda like it was in space :).
-Tig
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Tigger wrote:
. . . . . . . Were Amiga parts ever Mil-Spec, no
I'm quite bereft. Hey.......Doomy...!:pissed:
JaX
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Exactly what I implied. I worked on the B 1B and the space shuttle, do not have much knowledge on the older b 52 stuff. And, yes in our specs every contact is gold plated, never stated it was pure gold. Back years ago at rockwell we made mil spec 6502's.
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McVenco wrote:
Agafaster wrote:
ok, but was there ever a MILF spec Amiga ? ;-)
Yes. Any Amiga ever touched by Kiki Stockhammer :lol:
OR her predecessor, Laura Longfellow, who left because she started having kids :)
Link:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/lauralong.jpg
Umm, not bad..
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Here's my "Military Spec" A2000 used for flight training...
(http://rcfreas.com/files/msamiga2k.jpg)
:-D
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McVenco wrote:
Agafaster wrote:
ok, but was there ever a MILF spec Amiga ? ;-)
Yes. Any Amiga ever touched by Kiki Stockhammer :lol:
:lol:
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@hardlink
So Laura Longfellow is the pre-Kiki?
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Ceramic chips in sockets in a Amiga 2000.
Ceramic Chips?
Do they use "Ceramic chips" in Quantum Computers?
:confused:
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Ceramic Chips?
Do they use "Ceramic chips" in Quantum Computers?
:confused:
No, all the chips are personally tested by Scott Bakula. Oh boy. :D :D
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There's actually a couple of different "mil specs" even in just the USA.
Mil Spec 2000 is a document detailing the exact methods and procedures for electrical connections by technicians. So an Amiga (pre SMD, anyway, just the through hole versions) could be described as "Mil Spec" if all those solder points, cable joints etc actually met that specification. Which depends on the competency (or not) of the human being assembling the components.
Mil Spec semiconductors are rated at low to average speed (compared to scientific or civilian equivalents) but operate over a much bigger temperature range, typically some degrees sub zero up to 125 Centigrade. This means they have a better chance of working correctly under stressful and / or combat conditions. Operating close to zero is iffy because of condensation issues in equipment causing water formation causing short circuits.
There are Mil Spec standard numbers for equivalents to the commercial equivalents, and in some cases they can be overclocked more because they can be overvolted more.
Not always. Overclocking is not a guaranteed success on every processor, whether civilian or military.
So, as a claim, it is not as precise as "chipheads" like us might wish. ;)
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@Thread
The only Amiga with Military Processor is Amiga X1000, as its PA-Semi CPU is military certified, but not the computer built around it...
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@hardlink
So Laura Longfellow is the pre-Kiki?
FYI She is introduced NewTek Demo #2 (and appears in others), just that demo was never real popular.
Probably copyright violations. Or maybe memory requirements. Too bad Digi-FX never came out :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoxwPAZ-iG4
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FYI She is introduced NewTek Demo #2 (and appears in others), just that demo was never real popular.
Probably copyright violations. Or maybe memory requirements. Too bad Digi-FX never came out :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoxwPAZ-iG4
First, Newtek pulled Demo #2 after 20th Century Fox threatened quite publicly to sue their arse off for unlicensed content.
Second, Digi-Fx was onsale and is listed as such, for years, in Amiga magazines. Not that I'm recommending it, but it certainly did come out on this side of the pond, so I'm not sure why you think it didn't.
Or is this some subtle reference to "coming out" in a homosexual sense? Unlikely, but I have no idea where you got these ideas from. OldsMobileMike, AKA Akira on EAB, possibly?
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Or is this some subtle reference to "coming out" in a homosexual sense? Unlikely, but I have no idea where you got these ideas from. OldsMobileMike, AKA Akira on EAB, possibly?
Wtf are you talking about? Go back in your cave, troll.
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Second, Digi-Fx was onsale and is listed as such, for years, in Amiga magazines. Not that I'm recommending it, but it certainly did come out on this side of the pond, so I'm not sure why you think it didn't.
DigiView the still digitizer with color wheel - yes
Digi-FX the software credited in the demo reels I don't think was ever released...
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Digi-FX the software credited in the demo reels I don't think was ever released...
It got released in 1988.
Box was gathering dust in the office by the time I got there in 1990.
http://amr.abime.net/issue_905
It wasn't actually very good, TBH. Adpro / Morph + kicked the crap out of it for processing, Scala kicked the crap out of it for composition of sound and picture / anim.
If you want to verify the fact, suggest you check through the old mags for places selling it. Overpriced and underspecced.
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Wtf are you talking about? Go back in your cave, troll.
Yeah, I'm such a troll I just got the Newtek Demo Reel 2 uploaded to EAB and a bunch of over stuff that never got released.
See, it's amazing what you can do when you ask people nicely, rather than just being a punk with an attitude problem.
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=1162560#post1162560
I can appreciate you and a lot of other people are very angry, but that isn't going to get you anywhere. Channel the energy, don't be a slave to anger.