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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: bloodmoney on November 14, 2006, 04:39:10 AM

Title: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: bloodmoney on November 14, 2006, 04:39:10 AM: Found this on ebay, looks shady to me.

UAE and games (http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-Emulator-WinUAE-237-Classic-Games-eg-GAUNTLET_W0QQitemZ280045390981QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280045390981)
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: odin on November 14, 2006, 04:57:19 AM: Jesus, 13 quid for a CD-R with some ADFs and UAE? And those ADFs and Kickstart images most certainly will not be licensed.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: bloodmoney on November 14, 2006, 05:21:44 AM: I would report this to ebay but I can't find how to do it anywhere on the site.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: Argo on November 14, 2006, 05:35:17 AM: There is a "Report this item" link at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: CaptChaos on November 14, 2006, 05:45:17 AM: Amiga Forever have been selling WinUae for years.. :(
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: LoadWB on November 14, 2006, 05:53:47 AM: The reporting system is not completely friendly to this kind of violation. The best match I can come up with is "unauthorized multi-game" or something of that nature.

Is there a vigilante group out there which monitors for this type of transgression? Anyone interested in coordinating or participating in one?
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: bloodmoney on November 14, 2006, 06:01:12 AM: Thanks it's been reported for what its worth.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: LoadWB on November 14, 2006, 06:17:16 AM: Three hours to go... I doubt eBay will yank it before this guy makes his money.

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If the item you reported does not appear on its face to violate this
policy, we may refer it to the intellectual property rights owner for
review. If the rights owner has a good faith belief that the item is
infringing, they may choose to send eBay a formal request to remove the
listing. For more information on eBay's cooperation with rights owners,
please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/programs-vero-ov.html
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: Piru on November 14, 2006, 07:50:33 AM: Selling UAE is legal. Selling illegal copies of games and Kickstart ROM images is not.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: Raffaele on November 14, 2006, 07:52:25 AM: @ CaptChaos:

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by CaptChaos on 2006/11/14 6:45:17

Amiga Forever have been selling WinUae for years.. :(

Hello Captain... (he cries: Dah,Daradahhh!)

When you buy Amiga Forever you pay the fees for licenced versions of Amiga Kickstarts and OS, and some other sofware included in it.

AFAIK they got a licence to include also UAE in their distro.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: Piru on November 14, 2006, 07:56:05 AM: @Raffaele
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AFAIK they got a licence to include also UAE in their distro.

(Win)UAE is GPL, you can sell it without any further licensing.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: LoadWB on November 14, 2006, 01:58:22 PM: FWIW, this was my question to him:

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Item: Amiga Emulator WinUAE + 237 Classic Games eg GAUNTLET (280045390981)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
loadwb is a potential buyer.
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Does this CD include the necessary ROM files?

And this is his response:
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Item: Amiga Emulator WinUAE + 237 Classic Games eg GAUNTLET (280045390981)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
mogant0 is the seller.
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yep

So, it's quite evident to me that, other software not withstanding, he is selling illegal copies of the Amiga Kickstart ROM(s).

EDIT: When I just looked, the listing is shown as removed.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: WOWZER on November 14, 2006, 02:06:35 PM: Good Job. Its no longer listed on ebay, or at least on the link you provided.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: _ThEcRoW on November 14, 2006, 02:19:50 PM: And the whining goes on and on and on.....
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: LoadWB on November 14, 2006, 03:05:41 PM: Yeah, I noticed you started already. Any chance you could take that elsewhere?
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this legal?
Post by: Tomas on November 14, 2006, 03:15:11 PM: Quote

CaptChaos wrote:
Amiga Forever have been selling WinUae for years.. :(

With legal license...
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: Akiko on November 14, 2006, 03:41:34 PM: It's the 1000's of Roms and copies of Amiga forever being shared on p2p networks which really hurt Cloanto.

It's just a pity you won't find an abuse butten anywhere and these shady companies that make this software regulate sweet FA!
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: odin on November 14, 2006, 05:40:30 PM: Copying dusty old ADFs over p2p networks is one thing, but trying to sell them for a profit is something completely different in my not so humble opinion.
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: bloodmoney on November 14, 2006, 08:57:12 PM: Yes it would apear it was removed in time. not bad for 2 to 3 hour report notice.
;-)
Title: Re: Selling UAE is this leagle?
Post by: bloodmoney on November 14, 2006, 09:01:31 PM: Just so everyone know "selling pirated software can effect people" I personally don't have a problem with no profit trades.
Here is the company that owns the licence to Fire and ICE as well as other Amiga abandon-ware.
http://www.jesterinteractive.com/retro/ (http://www.jesterinteractive.com/retro/)
There is a UK company selling these games like hotcakes
and would appear are not licenced to do so.
I would report them as well If I was sure that they are not
Licenced.

Fire and ICE CD for PC (http://cgi.ebay.com/Fire-Ice-Classic-Amiga-Game-Now-on-PC-sealed_W0QQitemZ270054135633QQihZ017QQcategoryZ90847QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD10VQQcmdZViewItem)