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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: jj on November 06, 2006, 11:29:37 AM
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Given that Hyperion will not release OS4 until there is available hardware to run it, why not release the classic version.
I does exist and I have spoken to beta users, who seemed very happpy wwith it.
I inderstand the problems of the many different HW combiinations and hacks with the classics, but if MorphOS can be run on a lot of classic machines, then why not.
It would as least get some money ( prob more than A1 users)
coming in for hyperion. Or is it a case of Hyperion is not liscenced to sell classic version.
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I have two links for you where Rogue explained why they don't want to release OS4 for BPPC and CPPC at the current point:
Link 1 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19149&forum=14#296574)
Link 2 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19149&forum=14&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)
In a nutshell:
Rogue wrote:
The effort *right now* (before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled) is too high, and the expected return makes it questionable.
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Thanks for the links as do not read that site....
Makes sense I suppose
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Rogue wrote:
The effort *right now* (before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled) is too high, and the expected return makes it questionable.
This is ridiculous.
What's the current "return" on Teron-board-only OS4? In exact dollars, I can tell you straight up that it is zero. $0.00.
Nobody is going to buy OS4 because nobody can buy OS4. No hardware exists, that you can buy, that will run it.
On the other hand there's a market of people ready and waiting to run it who are an untapped well of cash.
There's absolutely no logical reason not to reach out to these people and lay OS4 on them, as has been promised for the last...oh, what, six years now?
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I think this is perhaps the chief mistake the Frieden guys have made - in my opinion.
I think the return would be very valuable. Not in terms of cash, because it wouldn't make very much, but there's a lot of coders out there who can't get an AmigaOS compatible machine but are itching to get starting coding for it. The main reason there's not a great deal of OS4 programs out there is the coders are starved of hardware; give them OS4 on the classic and they can get started so when it's ready on the dedicated hardware there's much more software. Every day without any hardware is another piece of code gone unwritten.
All IMHO of course. :)
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You'll never get a straight answer out of them, as history has shown. It's embarassing. :oops:
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OS4 my a$$... thank god the MOS team is not as ridiculus as the os4 one...
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Everyone considering OS4 on these powerpc accelerator cards should give the MorphOS version a try http://powerup.morphos-team.net/ (http://powerup.morphos-team.net/)
Its a free demo, what have you got to lose?
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Rogue quoted :
The effort *right now* (before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled) is too high, and the expected return makes it questionable.
Mm... Maybe the best way to know about the "expected return" would be to make the existing test version available to "classic" (A PPC Amiga is not what I would call classic, is'nt classic precisely meaning "68k" ?) users in a way that you can *know* how many downloaded it ? The Firefox team does this, they *know* how many ppl use FF and on what platforms.
... And BTW, it would also be good for "The effort"... I know how this will end. We'll get OS4 for Blizzard/DCE PPC from AT's trashcan, when it's moot and they're looong dead. And it will be debugged and beta-released faster than you can say "Mehdi Ali must be alive somewhere, surely his legacy lives on" :evil:
Feh.
sometimes I don't get Amiga Tech. logic. :crazy:
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The reason that "the expected return makes it questionable" is ridiculous. Why did they start it at all in the first place?
Coding 5 years, investing 500.000 EUR and at the point when OS4 is nearly finished they realize, "err..., it's just 600 potential buyers out there, oh, better not release it then, let's better wait until the magic & myterious Amy-board get's released which around 800 people will buy. This will completely change the whole situation and make our 500.000 EUR investment really rewarding. :roll:
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I'm unaware that OS4 for classic has been officially scraped? Is there a link from Hyperion that states they have officially ceased all further development and beta testing for the classic?
If so it would be a mistake and big disappointment to those of us that expected one last version of Amiga OS.
"it's just 600 potential buyers out there"
Unfortunately of those 600 potential buyers how many will actually be queuing at shops like Amigakit and how many others will be queuing on Kazza to get this software.
I suppose from Hyperion's perspective at least when they bundle OS4 for new hardware they are guaranteed some revenue back in return.
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Akiko wrote:
I'm unaware that OS4 for classic has been officially scraped? Is there a link from Hyperion that states they have officially ceased all further development and beta testing for the classic?
No there is not :-)
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I'm unaware that OS4 for classic has been officially scraped? Is there a link from Hyperion that states they have officially ceased all further development and beta testing for the classic?
Doh! Did you actually at least try to read Rogue's statement that I quoted above? What part of "(before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled)" don't you understand?
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JJ,
Makes sense I suppose
It does make sense. What does not make sense is why they said they would release it for the PPC classic systems in the first place. There was no ROI potential when the OS4 debacle started, that hasn't changed over the past few years.
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spirantho,
The main reason there's not a great deal of OS4 programs out there is the coders are starved of hardware; give them OS4 on the classic and they can get started so when it's ready on the dedicated hardware there's much more software.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the AmigaOne was for- so developers could get started writing code for OS4? After all, the A1 was marketed as a "developer board".
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@humppa
I'm merely referring to recent speculation about the future of 0S4 on classic.
Yes I indeed read them posts from Rouge but there over 6 months old now so maybe something had been officially announced since that I missed.
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IMHO it could make sense to release it in its current state.
This could be useful for "keeping" the users in the community. Some users get tired of waiting for OS4 and switch to Windows/OSX to never go back.
Those users they are losing now probably won't be back. And won't be back for cache less sub Ghz 500Euros motherboards either.
But they may keep using their classics with OS4 and have some fun and maybe their mood will rise enough to make them buy OS4 ofr a more modern machine in the future.
@to the OS4-will-be-pirated crew
Pirates will pirate OS4, honest users will buy it. Just like some people steal things in the supermarket while others pay for it.
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The whole 'when its done' {bleep} really is so idiotic, they obviously have not put any thought into project management etc. When i start a project in work, i have to give a time frame of when it will be completed, this is the same for anything and everything in this world! if you miss the deadline within limits that is maybe ok, but to go this far over time is a joke, i would be kicked out on my arse in this case. These guys on the other hand just seem to take the piss, no wonder people who are waiting for OS4 have had enough!
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Wow,
After reading some of this, kinda makes me wonder how and when I stopped waiting for OS4. I just remember the days when OS 3.5 and 3.9 got released. Those times were great, but after a year or two without much release of anything else, I just stopped.
Also what seems a bit odd is that something was worked on for awhile, and then they decide not to release it until there is adequate hardware released to run it on......
It will be extremely difficult to convince someone to spend hundreds of dollars on a motherboard which doesn't have the newest hardware or features on it and having an operating system that cant even complete the everyday task of students, like a good word processor and a web browser...
OS4 through my eyes is more of a hobby. If you enjoy amiga, then we will use it. I myself would like to get OS4 and use it, but for a primary use, highly unlikely. I spent $116 for a biostar board and a 3000+ Sempron 64 cpu, and this thing just rocks for the cheap price...
You never know. If Amiga had a good web browser and some good office applications, it could slowly make its way in the home of students who just want to use a computer to chat with their friends using a webcam or play some multiplayer games.
This isnt to flame me on. I am just a 20yr old college student who used an amiga when I was around 8. :) Amiga is great, but cmon. Use Mac OS X or get a Windoze computer and rock out until OS4 comes.
Great games are World of Warcraft, Unreal Tournament 2004, Counter Strike, etc... So many great games. Thought Windows has all this software, at heart Amiga will still be much better because I like how fast it loads to the workbench and I have more freedom instead of messing with thousands upon thousands of registries lol.
Who knows, maybe OS4 will see the day of light, maybe not. Just keep the spirit of amiga though we are not happy with them. :-)
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As there is probably around 500-1000 BlizzardPPC/CyberstormPPC in use, an OS 4.0 release would be welcomed by Amiga dealers.
It would also help to expand the current library of PPC/OS4.0 specific software as there would be more potential developers.
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amigakit wrote:
As there is probably around 500-1000 BlizzardPPC/CyberstormPPC in use, an OS 4.0 release would be welcomed by Amiga dealers.
It would also help to expand the current library of PPC/OS4.0 specific software as their would be more potential developers.
I agree completly.
Hyperion claimed they wont release it because no new hardware is avaliable and they apparantly think OS4 will get bad press if you cannot buy hardware for it.
I personally would like to see it released on any hardware.