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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: snowman040 on November 05, 2006, 08:51:51 PM
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Any more info?
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Don't hold your breath mate.
I asked them some VERY simple questions over on EAB, and the summary of the response would be....."SFA".
"....it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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Sad :-(
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Thanx for your nice positive vote of confidence shillard
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Dude, I asked the simple questions, your answers were as hollow and hopeless as any would-be saviour who has stepped up, tripped and crashed to the floor in the past 11 years.
No plan = commercial death.
I know precisely what is required to make a go of this - having been heavily involved in taking a CE brand from market share of less than 1% to #1 and 17% market share. Even made a profit - and we had serious backing, a brand that had only been dead in the water for a few years (not a decade), and hundreds of millions in R&D behind us.
Oh - ATL advertising budget of $6M and a trade co-op budget of $2M didn't hurt.
Whatta you got?
And seriously, announcing a proposed buyout of a private company before even entering serious negotiations? What's that about?
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@shillard
We understand how you can be jaded, it is 12 long hard years after the death of Commodore after all. When/if DiscreetFX could come to agreements to buy Amiga Inc. the first priority would be to communicate with and gain valuable feedback from the Amiga community and the very vocal ex-Amiga community. Believe it or not we like your criticism and belief that we will fail. It drives us even harder towards success. DiscreetFX has a lot of experience in the Amiga & visual effects market. Our involvement with the Amiga community would help the brand not harm it. But, you are welcome to your opinion and sharing it makes for great debate.
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We understand how you can be jaded, it is 12 long hard years after the death of Commodore after all. When/if DiscreetFX could come to agreements to buy Amiga Inc. the first priority would be to communicate with and gain valuable feedback from the Amiga community and the very vocal ex-Amiga community.
Not sure what feedback you're going to solicit that hasn't already been expressed.
Our involvement with the Amiga community would help the brand not harm it.
The question is, how so?
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@Pyromania: How good are you at DFX with new technologies, software and hardware design ? How good is your marketing strategy ?
And most important - did you get any answer from Amiga Inc. ?
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has they say after the storm the silence come...
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@jorkany
We are hard @ work completing our Super Size Me like documentary about trans fat.
www.oilchangemovie.com
Amiga stuff must wait until that project is complete.
It will be about a 12 month process.
@snowman040
Amiga Inc. has signed for and received our request for valuation that was sent overnight delivery.
Our skillset/added value can be judged on our hard work and performance. Here is a list of our current and in development products.
http://www.discreetfx.com/Products.html
Here is our current list of films/movies.
http://www.discreetfx.com/Films.html
Here is two interviews by our founder in Total Amiga 19
(Free PDF version)
http://www.totalamiga.org/backissues2.html
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I want to give my support to the buy of Amiga Inc by DiscreetFX. I think that it is a good opportunity to take out Amiga of the current blockade situation.
A greeting.
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Lee Pender's blog. (http://rcpmag.com/blogs/weblog.aspx?blog=334)
"OK. The rest of the grammatically questionable and utterly baffling press release is here."
:roflmao:
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We are hard @ work completing our Super Size Me like documentary about trans fat.
www.oilchangemovie.com
Amiga stuff must wait until that project is complete.
It will be about a 12 month process.
I understand that part. As indie movie fanatic I'd be interested in seeing Oil Change if it makes it to a theater or festival in my area. I perceive the film as a separate issue though, I find it curious that it appears you do not as you never fail to mention one without the other. But, whatever.
More to the point is, what is it you plan to do that will make Amiga successful? I assume that this isn't an impulse buy and that you, or someone, has some kind of idea in mind on how to turn Amiga around? Any comment? No need to disclose your business plan, just asking what you see as the big picture as far as where AInc. went wrong and how you would fix it.
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@jorkany
The only way we could answer that question is to delve into the business plan which we are not willing to do. That being said, if you read though the DiscreetFX products page you can kind of see the direction the company is going.
http://www.discreetfx.com/Products.html
As far as why Amiga & Oil Change the movie are mentioned together, we have Amiga computers in the movie so it is of interest to Amiga fans.
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I think it's a great idea if you have the funds to buy the company, and if you have more money and effort to put into the development of the Amiga-brand than Amiga Inc., it couldn't be better!
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Pyromania wrote:
@shillard
Our involvement with the Amiga community would help the brand not harm it. But, you are welcome to your opinion and sharing it makes for great debate.
How do you help or harm a brand that is dead, buried, and decomposed beyond recognition?
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shillard wrote:
How do you help or harm a brand that is dead, buried, and decomposed beyond recognition?
It's not dead, buried, and decomposed beyond recognition. It's only that way to you probably because you've kept track of the situation alot more than other people - and become disheartened in the process. To most people, when they think of the Amiga, they just think of the really amazing computer that it was in the past, and then thats it.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again... DFX has a long-standing record in the Amiga community, whereas no one else who has touched the Amiga IP since the death of Commodore has had ANY experience whatsoever.
DFX is trying to do what I, and many many others out there, would love to do... Raise the capital necessary to yank the IP back into the community.
I think it's also very appropriate that a media company is spearheading this effort considering Amiga has always been an excellent media tool. There are some seriously exciting possibilities for the future of our beloved platform in this move.
C'mon folks, finally someone in this community is trying to do something to fix the mess. Show some support!
@Pyromania
Nevermind the nay-sayers. I see what y'all are trying to accomplish here... and for the first time in a very long time I'm begining to have my faith restored. I wish y'all the best of luck. We ALL need it.
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Yup, there's definitely one born every minute.
Ask "most people" about the Amiga, and they'll wonder why you're bothering them about a Spanish girlfriend.
It's a niche zealot community - right up there with people who are obsessive fans of "Space: Above and Beyond" - and we all know it's going nowhere.
YES I love using the Amiga.
YES it is the OS of preference for me.
But do I seriously every expect to see an "Amiga" on my office desk? Nope, not ever. It has gone the way of Beta video and a host of other superior, but poorly marketed technologies.
Discreet FX, for all their posturing and constant "our movie Oil Change will feature Amigas yadda yadda yadda" haven't a hope in hell of raising sufficient capital to do anything even remotely effective with the brand, outside (perhaps) a tiny niche hard-core video market. And what good is that to most Amiga Users?
"Let's all support them....." in what, exactly? They can't even answer VERY simple questions about their plans and resources - questions that in no way compromise them commercially.
Apple, with all the resources at their disposal, still can't manage to snatch a tenth of the PC market. You might resurrect a tiny sector of the former Amiga community, and convert some Linux nerds, but that's about it - and that isn't a market.
It's a cottage industry.
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@anyone
Hmm.I understand everyones concern here.......really.............even the naysayers.
But I must say.............Amiga in the hands of DFX is a good thing.........as long as they hold on to the Amiga properties no matter what. There is a reason for this.....and I will reveal it if Amiga ever returns to its glory days.
I am 100% positive Amiga can take the entire WIndows Market by storm very easily if my plan is followed to the "T". its so simple its ridiculous .....I cant fathom why the heck no one has done it before.
I notice former Amiga owners seem to have some pride issue about their Idea for Amiga rather than the Amiga computer itself. This is a formula for failure:
"Pride goeth before destruction.....and a haughty spirit before a fall"
This statement is true, and I see it happen evey single time. The key to success is to firt Humble onesself and step out of onesself and their glory and motives..........Commodore wanted money, money, money....this greed is why they failed......because they sought so hard to want to be like a PC, they went downhill......exactly the opposite of what should have happened had they focused on the Amazing machine they didnt know they had..............Amiga would have beenn at the forefront of Internet access, MP3 technology, Flash5 and all these popular formats and gizmos had Commodore seen this vision.
I know I saw this vision long before it happened and envisioned the Amiga doing this...............All I thought was "The Fools!..how can they let the PC beat them under their noses like this"
Anyway...........Amiga can rise again and even remove the Apple iPod out of our memories. I have a list of plans I have been writing for years. Some take money and sacrafice.............but more importantly.........100% trust in these ideas...........im 100% positive they will work and that every Amigan will return morew happy than ever before.
that said.........I am all in support of DiscreetFX. They have done nothing but be willing to embarrass themselves by mentioning the Amiga....which they know is a good machine..........thats how I know I can trust them.....I myself have defended the Amiga to my embarrassment at times......because most PC users today know nothing about computers really o how good the Amiga OS STILL is.
I vote of Amiga Inc and DFX to merge if necessary.
If good things will come out of this.....Ill be praying. :-)
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If the Pegasos guys bought Amiga things would fly I guess. Look what they did since 2002, new hardware, OS, lots of optimistic and positive things.
I do not know a lot about Discrete and I have not done any research, but what I know is that they have made some movie/Scala like application for the Amiga? I can understand that video guys are still very excited about the Amiga. But it is my impression that Amiga was always big with video in USA and big in Europe for other reasons (the scene was huge over here). Amiga was the defacto standard for a home computer to own during 89-93, simply because "everyone" had one and you could copy games easy and quick with it, at least thats how it mostly was in Europe.
Sad to say, but I think it will be slightly boring to find that Amiga is going to be bought out by some video guys if the deal goes through, but then, what do I know?
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But I must say.............Amiga in the hands of DFX is a good thing.........as long as they hold on to the Amiga properties no matter what. There is a reason for this.....and I will reveal it if Amiga ever returns to its glory days.
But I must say...........Amiga...in the hands of....Gateway.....is a good thing....everything will improve and Amiga....will be back....and blow away Windows and Mac OS X.
I am 100% positive Amiga can take the entire WIndows Market by storm very easily if my plan is followed to the "T". its so simple its ridiculous .....I cant fathom why the heck no one has done it before.
Sorry for asking, but are you the American incarnation of Helgis?
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I read alot of gaming sites. IGN, Gamespot, Joystiq and others.
I swear every other week this is an interview with a developer about how he started on the Amiga or about how this develepment studio started on Amiga or how this GBA/DS game is a remake of an Amiga game ir how this XBL game was originally released on the Amiga...
Never a bad word, just fondness.
Look at the console wars, developers release games for multiple systems because they can make money across multiple platforms.
If an Amiga platform is finally established and there are a number of end users (let's say 100k) then all it takes is 1 publisher (probably Ubisoft) to release 1 title on the platform to make all the others raise an eyebrow in Amiga's direction.
Sure it might be GBA or NDS level games with low budgets, but that's how it starts... Then as the userbase grows so do the budgets for the games...
It will, however, require the full support of the Amiga community to back these developers with real sales and not let piracy kill the platform again...
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@cv643d
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Sad to say, but I think it will be slightly boring to find that Amiga is going to be bought out by some video guys if the deal goes through, but then, what do I know?
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Actually....quite the opposite will happen..........You see.......If Amiga can be successful here in the Video Industry Once again.......it means it will become Mainstream enough, that Games developers and other companies of old, will return to the Amiga..they all loved the Amiga. And when something Succeeds in USA..........it usually means it will succeed in the World! Thats the stupid mistake Commodore made when they designed the CD32....to compete against the Pathetic MegaDrive/MegaCD which was popular in UK but seriously pathetic here in USA.........The SuperNintendo was and still is the Superior Platform.......but to their ultimate Dumbness........Commodore needed to design the CD32 to compete with the Up and coming 3DO and Playstation.......not the old and obsolete MegaDrive............it's real funny because they thought the had something good simply because it was better than the Sega MegaDrive. Commodore UK didnt get out much let me tell you. And this was Commodores problem with other Amigas.....I used the CD32 as an example to make things clear of how little Commodore knew about making competetive products in its later years.
Once again.....a simple formula for success: Make something that will be considered Darn good in USA and Japan..........and it will be Darn Good in the rest of the world. And when I say that.........I mean Better than a Mac and better than and X-Box 360 or Playstation 3. Otherwise its just something nice, but that wont succeed. At least not for long. It will remain an underground machine. Im not willing to delve another 10 years of my life for another stupid underground machine...........We have Linux boxes for that! As a matter of fact..........that will be the sole reason for me getting a PS3 if I get one at all. Its the closest thing to a Super Amiga/CD32 with SX32.
@humppa
Sorry...........I dont know who helgis is. But I have utter confidence in the Amiga Idea.
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@shillard
While we are not interested in discussing our business plan, I will tell you this. Apple almost died a few years back and what saved them was bringing back their founder. You might love or hate Steve Jobs but he saved Apple from certain death. Now they are enjoying great success, even going after some of the Amiga's once exclusive markets like low end video production. Part of the DiscreetFX plan is to seek out and hire some of the original Amiga team if they are interested. No one was more passionate or Amiga gun hoe than Carl, RJ, David Needle Etc. If we are able to hire one or more of the first Amiga greats they will help form the new Amiga plan. Also, it is of great interest to DiscreetFX to help get to market retro Amiga 500's in a joystick or maybe even a sub $100 AGA+ mini Amiga that uses flash drives to build the brand once again. Another idea is to have Amiga OS 4.0 running on cell phones, that market becomes more computer like every day and it is much larger than the PC market even when Apple, Linux and everyone else is thrown in. An Amiga Tivo type device is also something DiscreetFX would love to do
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leirbag28 wrote:
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And when something Succeeds in USA..........it usually means it will succeed in the World!
Yes - like american football or Disneyland!
(Noone is interested in it over here in Europe - Sorry, couldn't resist)
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leirbag28 wrote:
Thats the stupid mistake Commodore made when they designed the CD32...to compete against the Pathetic MegaDrive/MegaCD which was popular in UK but seriously pathetic here in USA
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Commodore UK didnt get out much let me tell you. And this was Commodores problem with other Amigas.....I used the CD32 as an example ...
No.
Their mistake was to take the profit they made with the Amiga line and to put it in the development of their inferior and overpriced x86 PC line - instead of putting it in the development of new cutting edge Amiga products...
leirbag28 wrote:
Once again.....a simple formula for success: Make something that will be considered Darn good in USA and Japan..........and it will be Darn Good in the rest of the world.
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On what planet do you live , mate?
If a product is well received in the US, it does not automatically mean that the rest of the world will receive it equally well.
Its not that the people over here would all start jumping off bridges - just because people in the USA do so...
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@Dandy
On Planet earth...........dont believe me?
Successes:
NES 8 bit USA Japan = Successful in the world
SNES USA, Japan = succesful in the world
Commodore64 USA = most successful computer in the world.
Playstation USA, Japan = Successful in the world
Playstation 2 USA, Japan = succesfull in the world
X Box................."""""""""
X Box 360............""""""""""
Failures (because of where they were popular)
Acorn
MegaDrive
Spectrum
Amiga CD32
Amiga
need more examples? I got more..................so whats the point I am making? That USA knows how to market and knows what doesnt suck.......im not sure 100% what the reason is btu part of it is that we get out alot...and unfortunately other countries such as the UK dont get out much.....that explains why they think Sensible Soccer is so good........then whent its ported to a good System like SNES, Playstation....absolutely no one buys it.
Sensible Soccer gfx were unacceptable to me. I dont understand how that and Cannon Fodder got such high ratings being as crappy looking as they are especially fore the time they were released. they should have looked massively good. I understand the concept and play may have been good.
Im not trying to say that other nations suck.........it just that America is a huge melting pot.......and we have talent! just look at our films and Hollywood! the highest quality films and ideas come from here. I dont always agree with what the movies are about because I think talents are sometimes used for evil.................but nevertheless......we got marketing Skills up the Wazoo! agreed? understand what I am trying to explain?
well.......its true.
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:lol:
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USA is full of money, and that's all. Jens and Dennis are from Europe, Elbox people too, DCE, Amiga france....
Amiga failed because of bad Commodore management, Sinclair (Spectrum) was very succesfull (2 million sold units) and that is more than all Amiga models...
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@leirbag
I don't agree with you.
MegaDrive -> quite successful. I had more friends with MegaDrive than friends with SNES. It lasted a lot of years.
Spectrum -> one of the most successful computers ever built
Commodore64 -> I liked it more than speccy, but for each c64 user you had 5 spectrum users in Spain, UK and other countries.
Amiga 500 -> the most successful Amiga model ever sold, amiga software appeared due to this machine. Without A500 amiga would probably have died faster.
BTW, X-Box was a total failure in Europe IMHO. Almost no games and only a few people bought it to use it as videoplayer/MAME machine. MS lost a lot of money with it.
Acorn -> only a few machines were sold in UK and maybe France, but you know what? now its cpu (ARM) is one of the most used cpus in the world. Even Intel licensed its instruction set.
just look at our films and Hollywood! the highest quality films and ideas come from here
When I have read this I couldn't stop laughing... I'm thinking that you are an USA troll :-D
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Their mistake was to take the profit they made with the Amiga line and to put it in the development of their inferior and overpriced x86 PC line - instead of putting it in the development of new cutting edge Amiga products...
Also, the charman and president of Commodore used to be #1 and #2highest paid executive in the computer business, paid more than the top guys at IBM, Apple, Compaq, HP, Dell, or any other computer manufacturer.
Amiga failed because of bad Commodore management,
True enough, but it was mostly bad _American_ management.
Commodore Canada, UK, and Germany sruggled on for quite a while after Commodore US went teats up, but eventually delays by the bankruptcy trustees did them almost all in.
Someone once said that if Commodore was to market Sushi, they would advertise it as Cold, Dead, Raw Fish. There are tales of them starting up an educational sales division and then shutting it down within weeks. The CDTV was barely released to regular Commodore dealers and the regular electronic chains they tried to sell it throough didn't know what they had or how to sell it. The original Media PC and that was something they didn't want to talk about. :roll:
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snowman040 wrote:
Amiga failed because of bad Commodore management, Sinclair (Spectrum) was very succesfull (2 million sold units) and that is more than all Amiga models...
Better check your facts, 2 million is far lower than I have read for the total number of Amiga computers that were produced. Are you counting all models?
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bottom line.. USA is #1.
"If you aint first, you're last."
:-) :-) :-) :-)
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@snowman040
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USA is full of money, and that's all. Jens and Dennis are from Europe, Elbox people too, DCE, Amiga france....
Amiga failed because of bad Commodore management, Sinclair (Spectrum) was very succesfull (2 million sold units) and that is more than all Amiga models...
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I wasnt talking about people who make add on hardware...Im talking about people who make competetive products to compete with the best ones of the world. America and Japan are good at this.
Jens is awesome DCE is awesome and EYETech are awesome. again Im not knocking peeple..just certain companies.
as far as Spectrum being succesful...just cuz it sold 2 million units doesnt mean it was succesful...........just as if an AmigaONE sold 10 million units. I wouldnt consider that successful. Im talking about competition beating success. as an example, X-Box and Nintendo GameCube could be called a success here in USA as they all did well....but PS2 squashed them like a bug! thats what I mean!
@Crumb
MegaDrive was indeed successful...........until the SNES came out..wich was definitely the superior console...........Megadrive continued successfully for a while because of the good games and exclusive ones...........but they later realised he Megadrive wont last and released the Crappy SegaCD for it.....then later the 32X to try to compete with Ninedos SFX chip on the game cartridges.
The success I would strive for is Apple Mac and PC beating Success if I were in charge of Amiga.
By the way....A500 was successfull "in a way but not really when compared to other computers" mostly because it was so darn good, and was easy to get fre games...........every friend I had that had an Amiga including myself, got one of these because of the games we could get for it..............it was like the MP3's of today where you could just download to your hearts content. But mostly it was an Amazing computer.
This can be achieved today again! We need Japanese Games and Psygnosis games back! (a UK company by the way ;-))
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FWIW, at the peak of Amiga's hardware sales history, more units were purchased than those of any other hardware manufacturer. Note that this does not take into account that the majority of manufacturers were making IBM PC knock-offs and their aggregate sales consumed most of the market.
It has always been clear to me that Piracy is what drove the Amiga, and then the PlayStation. If it was overly difficult to procure software for, noone would have bought the hardware. Examples being DreamCast and N64 when Sony screwed Nintendo to the wall (they were apparently building a CD-ROM drive for the SNES' expansion port when Sony decided "Wait a minute, why are we cooperating with Nintendo again?").
All in all, it is the freely available software that will drive Amiga hardware sales, and the only place I can see that coming from is the FOSS market. Don't get me wrong, I still expect to support traditional for-profit Amiga software companies, but that is not where the market will come back from.
It is clear, however, that companies which use Amiga hardware and software for commercial gain are not in this boat, and that is where the market needs to corner.
And mobile PDA phones, I'd sell my right arm for one of those.
benJamin
"When you do things right, people won't know you've done anything at all." - Futurama
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Warning rant below:
@Pyromania,
No one would like to see the Amiga computer make some kind of a comeback than me, but I have to disagree that simply by hiring Carl S, RJ, or Dave Needle to work for DiscreetFX would make much of a difference. Don't get me wrong, I have a great respect for those individuals and would love to hear what their ideas are for the next Amiga.
Without the vision and genius of Jay Miner to focus the efforts and provide the direction of the company, what does DiscreetFX have to offer that Escom, Gateway, Amiga Inc. has not had or tried? Just claiming to be "Real Amiga" users or developers does not impress me. There are good and bad developers, those with talent and those whose talent is just hot air in the Amiga community just like there are in any other part of the population.
Nothing you have stated gives me any hope that your company will be any different than the rest that have disappointed us Amiga users over the past 10 years. I hope your company truly has some great ideas, but the few you have stated in this thread are hardly inspiring or original.
It seems to me that DiscreetFX has only made this PUBLIC offer of interest to buy Amiga Inc. as a way to advertize your company and insult the remaining Amiga users and companies, specially Amiga Inc.
(end rant)
Pyromania wrote:
@shillard
While we are not interested in discussing our business plan, I will tell you this. Apple almost died a few years back and what saved them was bringing back their founder. You might love or hate Steve Jobs but he saved Apple from certain death. Now they are enjoying great success, even going after some of the Amiga's once exclusive markets like low end video production. Part of the DiscreetFX plan is to seek out and hire some of the original Amiga team if they are interested. No one was more passionate or Amiga gun hoe than Carl, RJ, David Needle Etc. If we are able to hire one or more of the first Amiga greats they will help form the new Amiga plan. Also, it is of great interest to DiscreetFX to help get to market retro Amiga 500's in a joystick or maybe even a sub $100 AGA+ mini Amiga that uses flash drives to build the brand once again. Another idea is to have Amiga OS 4.0 running on cell phones, that market becomes more computer like every day and it is much larger than the PC market even when Apple, Linux and everyone else is thrown in. An Amiga Tivo type device is also something DiscreetFX would love to do
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TheMagicM wrote:
bottom line.. USA is #1.
"If you aint first, you're last."
:-) :-) :-) :-)
Reminds me of an old joke:
"We are the fastest.
While all the others are still stumblig, we're already lying on the ground..."
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leirbag28 wrote:
@snowman040
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We need Japanese Games and Psygnosis games back! (a UK company by the way ;-))
I think what you're really trying to say is *NOT* that we need *Japanese* games, but that we need *GOOD* games.
Needless to say that I'm not a gaming kid at all - I bought my first Amiga because of its graphical and multitasking capabilities and because it was far superior compared to the x86 PCs back in those days - not because of some childish games...
Although I have to admit that I loved to "play" with my Amiga: doing constructions using 3d-CAD soft, doing mathematical calculations, doing raytracing and the like.
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snowman040 wrote:
USA is full of money, and that's all. Jens and Dennis are from Europe, Elbox people too, DCE, Amiga france....
Amiga failed because of bad Commodore management, Sinclair (Spectrum) was very succesfull (2 million sold units) and that is more than all Amiga models...
Bzzzzt, wrong.
Over 3 million Amigas had been sold by 1994.
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@leirbag28:
US does NOT make the best movies. Simply your movies are supported and advertised by studios and companies with lots of money. The content of the average US movie is quite hollow compared to the average european movie.
US does NOT lead the computer and/or console market. Nor does Japan. The original XBOX was quite succesful in the US, but almost no one bought it in Europe or Japan. The N64 & Gamecube sold well in Japan, maybe in the US, but were big commercial failures in Europe. On the contrary, the Amiga sold far better in Europe than in the US, especially in the German, UK & Netherlands markets!
If -ever- some company comes with a new, Amiga branded product that is competitive in it's market, then it'll succeed. Simple as that.
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shillard wrote:
Bzzzzt, wrong.
Over 3 million Amigas had been sold by 1994.
My bad I admit. Still - Spectrum 48K vs Amiga models, impressive numbers, and hardly a failure.
p.s. PM reply on eab, please :-)
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clemenza wrote:
US does NOT make the best movies. Simply your movies are supported and advertised by studios and companies with lots of money. The content of the average US movie is quite hollow compared to the average european movie.
And what about The Lord of the Rings then? That's quite an impressive movie hardly to be called hollow. Or maybe that's because it's recorded in New Zealand based on a book by a British author :lol:
You're indeed right clemenza. In my top 10 list of all-time favourite movies I guess there are 2 made in the USA.
But I'll stop being off-topic now. :-)
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McVenco wrote:
And what about The Lord of the Rings then? That's quite an impressive movie hardly to be called hollow. Or maybe that's because it's recorded in New Zealand based on a book by a British author :lol:
Bankrolled and distributed by an American studio?
It could well be that American movies are only successful because of mega marketing budgets - or it could be that they just happen to make the kind of movies that most people enjoy.
I dunno about you, but if I reduce some of the most successful "foreign" films to their base concepts, I get this:
"Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" = Poofs on a bus.
"Jindabyne" = Pretentious crap.
"Life is beautiful" = Death Camp Slapstick.
"Swan in Love" = Jeremy Irons roots yet another underage girl.
"Waterland" = Jeremy Irons....well, you get the picture.