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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: redrumloa on October 22, 2006, 04:25:37 AM
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:roflmao:
Jens just spent 15 minutes or so roasting both projects. He predicted ColdFusion will NEVER ship and Troika is a sad affair and Amy will never work.
You guys listen to that? He didn't even mention his own product, just blasted these 2 projects :lol:
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Is he having a particularly bad day or something?
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Nope, didn't catch that.
I did hear something about the mass of a proton, gravity, the speed of light and UFOs.
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That's what he lead in with. Basically I got that he was implying "If you you believe in these products, you must believe in aliens too".
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Ah, The feed is imitating a Max Headroom video here.
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@Argo
Shame :-( It's good here. Carl Sassenrath is speaking now. VERY interesting!
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I thought Jens was an engineer, I didn't realize he was a standup comic. :-/
Did he actually ever talk about the Clone-A?
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He mentioned it back in the interview earlier this evening but they said they were discuss it later and they never did.
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yeah, i came back from the store and heard most of the earlier interview... maybe he'll be up after Carl finishes. I was inspired enough to install REBOL on my peecee. :-)
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It's find now, Got most of Carl's talk. Fun stuff.
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I agree on the Cold Fusion, Troika and every other piece of hardware even his (or hers..dunno if Jens is a guy/girl). Until a piece of hardware comes out and is publicly demostrated to run OS4 or MOS, its all vapour regardless of how many hi-res pics are shown.
-Alex
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Jens just mentioned he will make an Amiga board for OS4 for next year and Carl Sassenrath said he would like to make Rebol for OS4 if there was hardware.
Jens was probably joking, Carl probably wasn't. OS4 needs hardware :-(
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LOL... do people actually use Rebol?
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Me (on A4000 and Pegasos) and few others... Currently i am working on using makedocpro for a future documentation section of amigaimpact.org !
A tiny Rebol script (even with old Rebol/View amiga version) is often as powerful as Python or Ruby script.
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.It is usually foolish for a business to bash the competition;more effective to promote the stuff you have for sale now and announce products which are in early production.
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recidivist wrote:
.It is usually foolish for a business to bash the competition;more effective to promote the stuff you have for sale now and announce products which are in early production.
Very true, but this is the Amiga market. We're special :-P
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Karlos wrote:
Is he having a particularly bad day or something?
Nope, thats just his usual self ......
Seems to be the other Amiga-curse, talent always comes in such high doses that there no room for a personality left :-(
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Just saying what most people think in my opinion!
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I never got round to learning it, but I have it installed.
oh.. it works on the A1 under emulation BTW. very nicely !
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Kronos wrote:
Karlos wrote:
Is he having a particularly bad day or something?
Nope, thats just his usual self ......
Seems to be the other Amiga-curse, talent always comes in such high doses that there no room for a personality left :-(
As much as I like to refrain from any non-technical discussions, I have to agree with you.
Dennis
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Just wanted to clarify that Jens said the ColdFusion is not going to come out as long as Coldfire CPUs are being produced. So, not "never" :D.
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I saw that, good stuff. :-)
I have most of the show and Carl's post banquet interview recorded. I'm working with intuitionbase.com to see if we can get the video hosted there since they sponsored the original feed. I was totally glued to Carl's chat. The guy's a walking "untold" history book on OS dev and IT.
Plaz
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Plaz wrote:
I have most of the show and Carl's post banquet interview recorded.
I have the Jens' and Carl's keynote addresses captured on Digital 8 tape with my camcorder.
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Hi Dennis,
Hope work on Minimig continues to go well. As one who attended the AmiWest show and saw Jens presentation in person, I was disappointed he did not speak more about his own work, instead of blasting Troika, but Troika does have some explaining to do. Jens replacement of the Amiga custom chips with FGPA is interesting (as is your project) and I hope both will lead to great things for the Amiga Classic preservation and hopefully enhancement in the future.
Thanks again for the inspiration you have brought to the Amiga community and other hardware/software hackers.
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Jens just spent 15 minutes or so roasting both projects. He predicted ColdFusion will NEVER ship and Troika is a sad affair and Amy will never work. You guys listen to that? He didn't even mention his own product, just blasted these 2 projects
Yep, I did listen.
He has had a go at me at every available time since I announced the project, saying the first photo's were fakes, etc.
I was going to do a post on the AmiCF forum about the things that were wrong in that little talk but TBH I can be bothered, he knows my plans, I answered his questions at the BB4. :-/
I believe he has has a few digs at Troika before too. :-/
Anyway I'm glad so many people got a laugh from it. :-(
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You sure it isnt reverse psychology? Perhaps he thinks you will go "Hmm I'm going to prove that SOB wrong!" and do some more work on the project?
BTW: What has happened to the cdtv site? It appears to have been turned into a webshop.
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You sure it isnt reverse psychology? Perhaps he thinks you will go "Hmm I'm going to prove that SOB wrong!" and do some more work on the project?
I doubt it, I think its just the way he is. :-)
BTW: What has happened to the cdtv site? It appears to have been turned into a webshop.
Yep, Im having some major problems with oneandone at the moment, I think they are choking my websites bandwidth, I have had to take the CDTV website and CF website down, I also need to do some editing on it to remove my e-mail address as I am currently getting 95+ spam e-mails a day, and thats after a server side filter. :-/
Im looking at a new hosting company now and once my only shop is working right then I will reupload the CDTV website.
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Anyway I'm glad so many people got a laugh from it.
I wasn't having a laugh at you personally, please dont take it that way. Please do post a response here.
I explained it elsewhere as one of those uncomfortable laughs. :oops:
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Oli_hd wrote:
Yep, I did listen.
He has had a go at me at every available time since I announced the project, saying the first photo's were fakes, etc.
I was going to do a post on the AmiCF forum about the things that were wrong in that little talk but TBH I can be bothered, he knows my plans, I answered his questions at the BB4. :-/
I believe he has has a few digs at Troika before too. :-/
Anyway I'm glad so many people got a laugh from it. :-(
I did not get a laugh of it. That's because i really want to have a ColdFusion Card for the A1200 Accellerator slot of the Clone-A.
So, heads up.
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:roflmao:
Jens just spent 15 minutes or so roasting both projects. He predicted ColdFusion will NEVER ship and Troika is a sad affair and Amy will never work.
You guys listen to that? He didn't even mention his own product, just blasted these 2 projects :lol:
And??? Who of them is still in business? Have the two projects been successful?
Ché
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Good point Markus....just six years to late!
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Wow! Why dig that turkey up?
And how did you find it?
The frightening thing is we still have hobbyist who want to build Coldfire based hardware, and Freescale is still pushing Coldfire processors hard.
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To be fair, it didn't take a rocket scientist to see what Jens said. This was at the end of '06 when it was already apparent that Troika were a bunch of clowns after their 'two production runs in 2005' were already 18 months late, and regarding the ColdFusion, coldfire's game-killing incompatibilities with the 68k were well documented. What is more surprising is that anyone thought these products would ever materialise in the first place :-)
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Up from the depths of the forums a Zombie rises!
Brainzzzzzzzzzzz!
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To be fair, it didn't take a rocket scientist to see what Jens said. This was at the end of '06 when it was already apparent that Troika were a bunch of clowns after their 'two production runs in 2005' were already 18 months late, and regarding the ColdFusion, coldfire's game-killing incompatibilities with the 68k were well documented. What is more surprising is that anyone thought these products would ever materialise in the first place :-)
Oh dear.
Since people who were included in that group are involved in current project people seem to swear are going to materialize, you better pray they are -not- clowns.
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Oh dear.
Since people who were included in that group are involved in current project people seem to swear are going to materialize, you better pray they are -not- clowns.
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REALLY?
Which projects? You don't have to name individuals, but this sounds interesting.
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and regarding the ColdFusion, coldfire's game-killing incompatibilities with the 68k were well documented. What is more surprising is that anyone thought these products would ever materialise in the first place :-)
Atari Firebee runs 68K-only application with CF68Klib, no problem(see it for yourself on their webpage) ...
I still think it's the most viable solution for any new "classic" add-on hardware when AROS68K matures enough.
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REALLY?
Which projects? You don't have to name individuals, but this sounds interesting.
Naming the project would be as wrong as naming the individual.
On AW, we have a policy of not posting specifics from irc conversations into forums without permission of those involved in the conversation.
I have no idea what amiga.org policy is on such things, but I'm sure some people here are well aware of whom I refer to.
Should they wish to go into further detail, they might do so.
I will not. My only purpose in mentioning what I did was to speak to the fact that very few people know how many people were involved in those former projects, and why they ended up the way they did.
Unfortunately, as is often the case in Amiga NDA land, the truth will never be known, and I'm sure I'll be accused of trolling just for throwing out the possibility that what the public has seen is not necessarily the truth.
In addition, I've been asked to not drudge up the past, even when it shows a different picture, since these people want to move on with their lives.
Sorry, if that's still too vague for you Iggy, but that's all I feel like saying.
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Naming the project would be as wrong as naming the individual.
On AW, we have a policy of not posting specifics from irc conversations into forums without permission of those involved in the conversation.
I have no idea what amiga.org policy is on such things, but I'm sure some people here are well aware of whom I refer to.
Should they wish to go into further detail, they might do so.
I will not. My only purpose in mentioning what I did was to speak to the fact that very few people know how many people were involved in those former projects, and why they ended up the way they did.
Unfortunately, as is often the case in Amiga NDA land, the truth will never be known, and I'm sure I'll be accused of trolling just for throwing out the possibility that what the public has seen is not necessarily the truth.
In addition, I've been asked to not drudge up the past, even when it shows a different picture, since these people want to move on with their lives.
Sorry, if that's still too vague for you Iggy, but that's all I feel like saying.
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I've actually had a few people in the Amiga market request directly that I not disclose something they told me. I've respected their requests and I see no reason to pressure you on this.
Besides, I'm waiting to see if the Atari Firebee will work reasonably well.
The developers have already failed to produce one machine they announced in the past.
And no one that's announced a Coldfire based system to run 68K software has actually moved to full production.
So its wait and see.
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Jens just mentioned he will make an Amiga board for OS4 for next year and Carl Sassenrath said he would like to make Rebol for OS4 if there was hardware...(
oops..hehe just noticed this was an old thread..never mind
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Troika was a joke, but at least they never took anyone's money.